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[11:27] <cpaelzer> sarnold: eslerm: pre-reminder for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnet-ip-perl/+bug/2039456/comments/2 into a discussion in tomorrows meeting
[11:27] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2039456 in libnet-ip-perl (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libnet-ip-perl (as libmail-dmarc-perl dependency)" [Undecided, Incomplete]
[19:00] <kanashiro> o/
[19:00] <lvoytek> o/
[19:01] <seb128> hey
[19:02] <bdmurray> o/
[19:03] <seb128> anyone wanting to lead that one (I've said that before but we should really have rotating chairs defined in advance to avoid those akward slow meeting starts)
[19:03] <teward> *yawns* not me.
[19:03] <seb128> anyone wanting to chair today?
[19:03] <bdmurray> I would but have a hard stop at the top of the hour for an interview.
[19:04] <seb128> #startmeeting Developer Membership Board
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[19:04] <seb128> ok, let me take that one and get started
[19:05] <bdmurray> thanks seb128
[19:05] <seb128> let's start with the application review since we have one today
[19:05] <seb128> #topic Ubuntu Core Developer application for lvoytek
[19:06] <seb128> lvoytek, hey, welcome, do you want to maybe start by introducing yourself?
[19:06] <seb128> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LenaVoytek/UbuntuCoreDeveloperApplication
[19:06] <lvoytek> Hi all! I'm Lena Voytek. I am from Arizona, USA, and I work for Canonical as a part of server distro. I have been on the team for just over two years, and gained server package upload permissions in January.
[19:07] <seb128> great, thanks lvoytek!
[19:07] <seb128> let's start with questions for lvoytek
[19:08] <seb128> has anyone questions they would like to ask?
[19:09] <kanashiro> since Lena is a colleague of mine and I already endorsed her application, I'll let the questioning for the others :)
[19:10] <seb128> the wikipage is quite detailled, good work, I think that cover most of the aspect of work needed by a coredev
[19:10] <lvoytek> thanks :)
[19:10] <seb128> let me still ask one
[19:11] <seb128> lvoytek, could you tell us what are the different freezes in the Ubuntu release cycles and where you could find their dates?
[19:11] <lvoytek> Sure thing, you can find them here for noble specifically: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/noble-numbat-release-schedule/35649, I'll list them out
[19:12] <lvoytek> Feature freeze is when new content (non bug fix) items need to be in, unless you go through the FFe process
[19:13] <lvoytek> Debian import freeze (same day) is when packages from debian stop syncing automatically
[19:14] <lvoytek> Others are self explanatory but I can go further if needed. The other important one for me is beta freeze, where we pause changes to focus on beta testing week
[19:14] <lvoytek> Ah then of course final freeze where the release pocket freezes and things go to updates after
[19:15] <seb128> is there any acception to the final freeze rule you just described?
[19:16] <seb128> and no need to details the other freezes
[19:16] <lvoytek> Only critical/security related bugs can go out after final freeze
[19:16] <lvoytek> or other exceptional circumstances
[19:17] <seb128> thanks
[19:17] <bdmurray> rbasak mentions your plan to defer updating MySQL for noble. Could you provide some more details about what lead you to such a decision?
[19:17] <lvoytek> Ah yeah I sent out an email about that today
[19:18] <lvoytek> Basically MySQL 8.4 is the next LTS but it comes out in April, so there's no possible way to get it into Noble on time, so we have to stick with 8.0, which at least is in support for 2 more years
[19:19] <lvoytek> 8.2/8.3 are interrim releases and not advisable for an LTS
[19:21] <bdmurray> Okay, that sounds very reasonable to me.
[19:22] <seb128> any other question for lvoytek?
[19:23] <bdmurray> None from me
[19:23] <seb128> not from me
[19:23] <seb128> teward, any from you?
[19:24] <seb128> seems not, let's go to vote then!
[19:25] <seb128> #vote Grant CoreDev to LenaVoytek
[19:25] <meetingology> Please vote on: Grant CoreDev to LenaVoytek
[19:25] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, -1 or +0 in channel (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1|-1|+0 #channelname')
[19:26] <bdmurray> +1 I really appreciated the amount of details in your application, it made reviewing it quite easy.
[19:26] <meetingology> +1 I really appreciated the amount of details in your application, it made reviewing it quite easy. received from bdmurray
[19:26] <seb128> +1 from me, I think the work described on the wiki is quite high standard and there are a number of solid endorsements
[19:26] <meetingology> +1 from me, I think the work described on the wiki is quite high standard and there are a number of solid endorsements received from seb128
[19:28] <seb128> teward, kanashiro ?
[19:29] <kanashiro> I was waiting for teward to be the last one
[19:29] <kanashiro> +1 , not much to add :)
[19:29] <meetingology> +1 , not much to add :) received from kanashiro
[19:30] <seb128> ok, now it's annoying, we need teward to vote to have the quorum right?
[19:31] <kanashiro> I think so
[19:32] <seb128> he was around at the start of the meeting, unsure if we should wait a bit longer on him to return or not :/
[19:33] <arraybolt3> Knowing him he probably got sucked into a meeting that will end a few seconds after the DMB meeting (though I just tried to ping him over Telegram elsewhere to get his attention)
[19:33] <seb128> arraybolt3, thanks
[19:33] <seb128> let's wait one more minute...
[19:35] <seb128> ok, seems he's not around, maybe we can try to do another vote before the end of the meeting if he shows up, otherwise we will have to continue via emails to reach a decision
[19:35] <seb128> #endvote
[19:35] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Grant CoreDev to LenaVoytek
[19:35] <meetingology> Votes for: 3, Votes against: 0, Abstentions: 0
[19:35] <meetingology> Motion carried
[19:36] <seb128> lvoytek, thanks, and sorry we don't have a decision yet for you
[19:36] <lvoytek> It's alright, thanks all!
[19:36] <seb128> let's cover the other topics
[19:36] <seb128> #topic Outstanding mailing list requests to assign
[19:37] <seb128> there is https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2023-November/002373.html which already got discussed by the TB previous week
[19:38] <seb128> tsimonq2 was requesting we review arraybolt3's for motu, but the TB conclusion was that Aaron needs to write an application
[19:39] <arraybolt3> (which I'm in the process of doing and intending to submit for the December 11th DMB meeting)
[19:39] <seb128> I would expect that to be also the DMB position unless someone disagrees or has something they want to add?
[19:39] <kanashiro> we had an informal discussion about this last meeting
[19:39] <kanashiro> and we agreed on that too
[19:39] <seb128> ok, so let's move on, that was the only mailing list email which wasn't handled
[19:40] <seb128> arraybolt3, ack, thanks
[19:40] <tsimonq2> seb128: Was that TB or DMB? I don't think I was at the last TB meeting?
[19:40] <seb128> ok, time is flying and I got confused then :p
[19:40] <seb128> sorry
[19:40] <tsimonq2> No worries. I've been sponsoring uploads for arraybolt3 like mad, and he's really getting stronger. I hope you all can review his application soon :)
[19:40] <seb128> I remembered having a recent meeting discussion about it and didn't got back to check logs
[19:40] <seb128> #topic Open TB bugs
[19:40] <seb128> no open bug
[19:41] <seb128> #topic AOB
[19:41] <seb128> any other topics?
[19:41] <bdmurray> The Agenda page lists a meeting on the 25th which I'll remove.
[19:41] <bdmurray> I'll be here for the the 11th will anyone else?
[19:42] <kanashiro> I will
[19:42] <seb128> I will
[19:42] <kanashiro> should we try to fix this chairing issue? Start a rotation to be fair with everyone
[19:42] <arraybolt3> If someone wants to review my preliminary application draft and tell me if there's anything I'm missing that would be handy.
[19:42] <seb128> kanashiro, well, we don't have a quorum, but I will email the list about it
[19:42] <arraybolt3> (obviously it's not finished yet, more packages will be added to the list of 'work I'm proud of' among other things)
[19:42] <seb128> arraybolt3, sure, can you share the url?
[19:42] <arraybolt3> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArrayBolt3/MotuApplication
[19:42] <seb128> ack, thanks
[19:42] <arraybolt3> thanks!
[19:43] <seb128> anything else?
[19:43] <kanashiro> thanks for starting the discussion via email seb128 :)
[19:43] <seb128> np!
[19:44] <kanashiro> I think that is it
[19:44] <seb128> right, and teward didn't come back so we will continue the vote via the mailing list, I will send a follow up email
[19:44] <seb128> #endmeeting
[19:44] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 19:44:50 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-11-27-19.04.moin.txt
[19:44] <seb128> thanks everyone
[19:45] <kanashiro> thanks everyone and seb128 for chairing
[19:45] <teward> seb128: sorry i lost my internet for 30 minutes
[19:45] <teward> ISP unexpected outage, but it was traced to a broken fiber node
[19:45] <seb128> hum
[19:45] <seb128> can we do that vote now?
[19:45] <teward> *reads back*
[19:45] <seb128> kanashiro, bdmurray, you are still around if needed?
[19:45] <seb128> teward, ack
[19:46] <kanashiro> yes
[19:47] <teward> ye sorry for apologies for disappearing i'm ready to put my vote
[19:47] <teward> +1 for LenaVoytek's application being granted
[19:47] <seb128> thanks
[19:48] <seb128> I don't think we need to cast another vote through the bot, that should do, unless someone disagrees?
[19:49] <Eickmeyer> You have the chat logs courtesy ubuntulog .
[19:49] <seb128> right
[19:49] <arraybolt3> I mean the bot already thinks the motion was carried so if it's opinion matters it already has the right idea.
[19:49] <seb128> that's good enough for me
[19:49] <seb128> lvoytek, congrats!
[19:49] <lvoytek> :D
[19:49] <tsimonq2> Congratulations lvoytek! 🎉🎉🎉
[19:49] <seb128> and it's a wrap for good this time :)
[19:50] <kanashiro> congrats lvoytek !
[19:50] <lvoytek> thanks!
[19:51] <tsimonq2> Fun fact, as a new member of ~ubuntu-core-dev, you are also now a member of ~canonical-dx-team. :P
[19:51] <kanashiro> seb128 are you announcing and adding Lena to the core-dev group?
[19:51]  * arraybolt3 wonders where on earth tsimonq2 pulls these random factoids from :P
[19:51] <seb128> kanashiro, yes, I'm doing that in a minute
[19:51] <kanashiro> cool :)
[20:01] <seb128> and done now