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[00:10] <bray90820> So whenever I try to uninstall i386 from 22.04 I get an error
[00:10] <bray90820> dpkg: error: cannot remove architecture 'i386' currently in use by the database
[00:25] <buttermelted> hi, did ubuntu switch to snap completely and what should i use by default? havent used ubuntu in 10 years
[00:26] <rbox> tyhere are snaps and there are deb packages still
[00:26] <buttermelted> what should i use by default?
[00:27] <buttermelted> and is there still a graphical deb package manager, seemst there is only ubuntu software which seems to be snap
[00:27] <leftyfb> buttermelted: why not just install ubuntu and try it out?
[00:27] <buttermelted> i did
[00:28] <buttermelted> thats why im asking
[00:28] <leftyfb> buttermelted: is there a piece of software you are looking for?
[00:28] <buttermelted> no
[00:28] <buttermelted> i am asking if there is still a graphical deb package manager, there was one by default in ancient times
[00:29] <expatjedi> buttermelted, experienced users always use the pure command line options to install programs but some programs hard to install and require search so use snap if you don't have time. Basically snap does what apt does
[00:29] <Unit193> Synaptic is what you're likely talking about.
[00:29] <buttermelted> ok thx
[00:29] <buttermelted> but the base system is installed over deb?
[00:29] <buttermelted> seems weird to have 2 systems
[00:30] <expatjedi> snap is not a system
[00:30] <expatjedi> ubuntu is based on debian but not pure deb
[00:31] <buttermelted> i mean all the components are installed with deb packages? why is it so hard to understand my question :D
[00:31] <expatjedi> That's not completely accurate. Have you ever heard gnu/linux term?
[00:32] <Unit193> buttermelted: Mostly everything is a package, there's a few snaps installed that can likely all be listed with `snap list` or something.
[00:32] <Unit193> It's usually browsers, lxd, etc.
[00:32] <buttermelted> ok, i just now read that snap installs all dependencies in a container. seems to work like windows
[00:33] <expatjedi> We don't use that word on this server. It's forbidden :)
[00:33] <Unit193> No it isn't.
[00:33] <Unit193> buttermelted: It's like flatpak if you know anything about that one?
[00:35] <expatjedi> bottom line I recommend to use APT to install programs. They install with all dependencies and works faster, starts faster
[00:35] <buttermelted> so if the dependencies are all duplicated in their containers, do the programs use more memory because the each load the same dependencies?
[00:36] <bparker> anyone have an answer to this question? https://superuser.com/questions/1770099/fractional-display-scaling-get-and-set-in-terminal
[00:36] <bparker> for 22.04
[00:39] <expatjedi> almost every desktop envoriment has its own program to set that scale
[00:39] <expatjedi> May i ask why do you want to set it in command line
[00:39] <expatjedi> ?
[00:40] <gry> bparker: hi
[00:40] <Unit193> Certainly more disk space. :>
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[00:40] <gry> bparker: i think you may have misunderstood
[00:41] <gry> bparker: fractional scaling looks like a boolean to me; the 125% is 'scaling', it is another preference
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[00:41] <bparker> expatjedi: because the setting does not persist, there is somehow no way to set a default, so I want to make a script that changes it when it gets reset
[00:41] <bparker> also I just want to know how to change it programmatically
[00:42] <bparker> gry: then I'd like to know how to set both
[00:42] <leftyfb> bparker: what do you mean it doesn't persist? It should. Creating a script to set it on boot is a hack to work around an issue that should be addressed properly
[00:43] <bparker> leftyfb: I mean it doesn't persist. there is absolutely no way to make it do that within ubuntu's own settings
[00:43] <bparker> you would think this is a really simple thing that should already exist but believe me it doesn't
[00:43] <bparker> it just blows me away
[00:43] <bparker> so all I can do is hack around it
[00:43] <gry> bparker: https://www.x.org/releases/X11R7.5/doc/man/man1/xrandr.1.html has a parameter for scale, i think
[00:43] <bparker> doesn't work
[00:43] <bparker> already tried
[00:44] <bparker> no --dpi X setting in xrandr has any effect
[00:44] <bparker> on my system at least
[00:44] <gry> how does the settings gui do it, then? where is its source code?
[00:44] <bparker> no idea.
[00:44] <bparker> I don't know how to find it either
[00:44] <buttermelted> do you people use btrfs or still ext4
[00:44] <bparker> zfs
[00:44] <leftyfb> bparker: what troubleshooting have you done to figure out why it's not persisting? Which GPU do you have? Which driver? Did you confirm it's supported?
[00:44] <bparker> confirm what is supported?
[00:45] <leftyfb> fractional scaling
[00:45] <bparker> it's a gtx750 using nvidia driver
[00:45] <bparker> leftyfb: well I'm already using it so I'd say it is supported
[00:45] <bparker> and how I know it's not persisting is because every time the resolution changes, it resets back to 100%
[00:45] <joe_> Have you turned your graphics to discrete in bios from Hybrid?
[00:45] <gry> bparker: at https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/gnome-control-center/+git/gnome-control-center somewhere
[00:45] <leftyfb> bparker: why is the resolution changing?
[00:45] <bparker> I knew that was coming... sigh
[00:45] <bparker> joe_: there is no hybrid graphics, it's a desktop
[00:46] <bparker> leftyfb: because I turn PIP on and off in my monitor settings whenever I want
[00:46] <joe_> My bad lol
[00:46] <bparker> and it changes the desktop resolution
[00:46] <bparker> also sometimes I change it for games
[00:46] <buttermelted> is F2FS still a thing?
[00:46] <leftyfb> bparker: xorg or wayland?
[00:47] <bparker> xorg but I'd like to know how to do it for both in the future
[00:47] <bparker> buttermelted: yes, I think android uses it heavily
[00:48] <Unit193> I use ext4 due to better error recovery.
[00:48] <bparker> lol
[00:51] <Unit193> bparker: I suppose that's for me. :P
[00:56] <buttermelted> f2fs seems to be considerable faster in some applications
[00:57] <buttermelted> 5-10 years ago it was hardly faster than ext4
[00:59] <bparker> gry: not everyone is a dev unfortunately
[01:00] <gry> Sometimes just writing a bug report helps the dev to get moving
[01:01] <bparker> may be but that's not what I'm trying to accomplish right now
[01:01] <bparker> I just want to know how to set the scaling via command-line
[01:08] <topcat001> bparker: are you on gnome wayland?
[01:08] <bparker> no
[03:51] <ecapi> how does ubuntu differ from debian?
[03:52] <rbox> its got different packages
[03:52] <ecapi> wee they approved by rascul?
[03:53] <rbox> huh?
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | ecapi
[03:54] <ubottu> ecapi: Want to talk about Ubuntu, but don't have a support question? /join #ubuntu-discuss for non-support Ubuntu discussion, or try #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Thanks!
[04:03] <kotgc> Ubuntu 22.04 won't run my Bluetooth dongle?
[04:04] <ecapi> !discuss kotgc
[04:04] <kotgc> I've tried 3 and posted on Stack Exchange, but Stack Exchange deletes my support question?
[04:04] <kotgc> ecapi, ?
[04:05] <kotgc> Here's the USB Bluetooth dongles I've tried: https://dpaste.org/wTQft
[04:06] <kotgc> Here's the dmesg output when I connected this new 3rd USB Bluetooth dongle https://dpaste.org/EXaLo
[04:08] <rbox> i dont see any usb dongles plugged in to usb in that log
[04:08] <rbox> its helps you just paste what happens when you plug it in
[04:08] <rbox> not everything under the sun
[04:10] <kotgc> rbox, looks like this 3rd USB Bluetooth dongle is not recognised.
[04:10] <rbox> well that might explain why it's not working
[04:11] <kotgc> The shop said this 3rd USB was Linux compatible: PC-T7 USB Wireless Bluetooth 5.0 Audio Transmitter for Windows Linux PC Computer
[04:11] <kotgc> Well the USB ports work, so it seems to be an Ubuntu issue.
[04:13] <rbox> if nothing shows in dmesg
[04:13] <rbox> it has nothing to do with ubuntu
[04:17] <toddc> any usb features disabled in bios
[04:18] <kotgc> toddc, not that I'm aware of
[04:20] <toddc> kotgc: since It did not show up tho there was a lot to sort thu and three devices grasping at straws might look at bios options
[04:20] <WhyDItGo> Seriously rbox - I addressed this earlier, but I'll be more blunt: What's the point of just telling people what's wrong/what you think is wrong? These folks (myself included) came here for HELP. It is unhelpful to just say "Well, [*sarcasm*]
[04:22] <rbox> if the hardware is broken
[04:22] <rbox> not much to help with
[04:23] <kotgc> I just plugged the 3rd USB Bluetooth device into my Mac Mini and the USB is also not found. I do see a Blue LED light come on the USB Bluetooth dongle though.
[04:24] <kotgc> Guess I'll refund this 3rd USB Bluetooth dongle.
[04:25] <toddc> kotgc: and repost dmsg after boot just before plugging in usb blutooth device may help as rbox said it is much easier to find and spot a issue  also I have seen newer devices that have not been included in linux and had to got to maker for a driver
[04:27] <kotgc> toddc, yes, this link https://dpaste.org/EXaLo is dmesg after a reboot without the USB Bluetooth dongle. Then ~30 seconds later I inserted the USB Bluetooth dongle, then copied dmesg to dpaste.
[04:29] <WhyDItGo> @toddc's comment strikes at what I'm getting at with you rbox - you ASSume something is "Known Bad" before attempting any troubleshooting/verification of issue. I've encountered this as well where something played like it wasn't showing/working "like normal", and it boiled down to either something like needing to compile your own firmware, or USB drives that are prevented from "auto mounting" to be worked with until manually
[04:29] <WhyDItGo> mounted then suddenly it shows that "normal" wasn't normal
[04:30] <rbox> its nto detecting the devcie at all
[04:30] <rbox> firwmare problem or mounting problem it would detect it
[04:32] <kotgc> I'm refunding this USB Bluetooth dongle which isn't recognised on Ubuntu nor MacMini.
[04:33] <kotgc> Not sure how to find an Ubuntu compatible USB Bluetooth dongle though, as I've tried CSR and Edimax https://dpaste.org/k6bOE.
[04:34] <rbox> and what does dmesg look like when you plug one of those in
[04:34] <WhyDItGo> @kotgc Having looked it up; looks like there are a few different "Versions" of these dongles (4.0, 5.0, etc.) that appear they *should* be plug n play. Just be aware if you buy another, you might run into the same issue if the hardware lies outside of the built-in hardware support shipped with Ubuntu & still have to find files & Frankenstein it to work. All the best!
[04:35] <kotgc> Thanks. If anyone knows a USB Bluetooth dongle that works with Ubuntu 22.04, please let me know. I've asked on Stack Exchange but they delete my support question as the question is deemed as 'brand advertisement'.
[04:36] <WhyDItGo> You may be better off posting seeking a product recommendation on one of the many related subreddits on Reddit (not my favorite, but that's usually a great source for peer input on hardware (and not seller just saying "It works!")
[04:37] <kotgc> WhyDItGo, thx, I'll research there.
[04:39] <WhyDItGo> @kotgc Did you see this: https://medium.com/codex/bluetooth-5-on-linux-overview-of-kernel-supported-dongles-and-chipsets-c6f2b632b236 ? I missed that the title you mentioned is the 5.0 version - this may be why; possibly a bit too new & 3rd party enough to fall outside built-in support
[04:46] <kotgc> This Ubuntu Bluetooth dongle issue has been going on for maybe 1 year. I've read so much, I need a break and will come back another time.
[05:09] <kotgc> WhyDItGo, No Bluetooth on the MOBO, just a USB Bluetooth dongle.
[05:50] <lxcang> kotgc: may I ask what do you use BT for?
[05:51] <lxcang> kotgc: context is that I'd rather go through the troubleshoot of hardwiring my iPhone with an Ethernet
[05:56] <kotgc> lxcang, I use a Bluetooth solar keyboard with my Mac. I was hoping to use it on Ubuntu too.
[06:57] <astern-t> how to change ubuntu to  xubuntu
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[07:45] <jaxon> hello
[07:45] <jaxon> hi
[07:45] <jaxon> bobo
[09:14] <boc_th> What does the user named "backup" belong to? I need to remove it and create my own with the same name.
[09:20] <boc_th> it's nigh impossible to find anything, all the hits are about making backups
[09:33] <ravage> look at /var/backups
[09:34] <ravage> at least thats the homedir of that user
[09:36] <ravage> systemctl status dpkg-db-backup
[09:37] <CosmicDJ> boc_th47: I would not remove system users...
[09:37] <ravage> the backup script /usr/libexec/dpkg/dpkg-db-backup does run as root though i think. so i dont know if it really used
[09:39] <geirha> backup user is included in the passwd file installed by the base-passwd package
[09:40] <geirha> so there are probably various deb packages that assume it exists, and that uses it
[09:46] <boc_th47> this seems like php1-tier system "design"
[09:50] <geirha> you need to give it a specific uid? is that why you want to remove and recreate it?
[10:27] <ecapi> i havent coded in over 2 weeks feels wierd
[11:30] <iron_> Hi. Is there any way to install VirtualBox on an Ubuntu server without the GUI dependencies? I have tried various posts on the subject, but apt still seems to prompt for all dependencies
[11:39] <Paris> maybe it's not possible but there are other headless command line virtual emulator
[11:39] <Paris> like qemu or others.
[11:40] <josemi> hi
[11:40] <josemi> q
[11:41] <josemi> clear
[11:42] <buttermelted> hi, if i plug my microphone into my combo jack on the laptop i cant activate the speakers again. i can do so in windows though
[11:43] <gry> buttermelted: can you activate speakers in 'alsamixer' command output
[11:46] <buttermelted> i tried pavucontrol
[11:46] <buttermelted> and it says its blocked
[11:47] <buttermelted> sounds like a driver issue to me, because in windows you have to activate/deactivate the automatic switching
[11:49] <buttermelted> is there a search word for it so i can google it?
[11:49] <buttermelted> and to be honest i am pretty disappointed with the driver situation. this is a 2018 laptop but the fingerprintreader doesnt work
[11:49] <buttermelted> and there is no way to make it work
[11:51] <buttermelted> and mobile broadband doesnt work either :(
[11:51] <buttermelted> very sad
[11:54] <gry> buttermelted: hm
[11:54] <gry> buttermelted: can you tell me more about your system. ubuntu what version? what desktop?
[11:55] <buttermelted> 23.10
[11:55] <buttermelted> x380 lenovo yoga
[11:55] <buttermelted> i think there is absolutly no way to make fingerprint reader work
[11:55] <buttermelted> there is some hope for the mobile modem. fibocom l850 is the card probably
[12:17] <krumelmonster> Why do I get the message "33 additional security updates can be applied with ESM Apps." for 22.04 when it still has standard maintenance until 2026?
[12:17] <krumelmonster> It sounds as if the system did not have the required security updates
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> !pro | krumelmonster
[12:19] <ubottu> krumelmonster: Ubuntu Pro is a service offered by Canonical for expanded CVE patching, ten-years security maintenance and optional support. Anyone can use Ubuntu Pro for free for personal use on up to 5 machines. For details please see https://ubuntu.com/pro and https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-pro-faq
[12:29] <krumelmonster> doesn't really answer my question lotuspsychje
[12:30] <krumelmonster> 22.04 should still be in standard maintenance according to https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle so from my understanding, this message is 3 years early
[12:35] <ravage> You still get all the updates from the main repo
[12:35] <ravage> Pro adds additional updates from universe
[12:37] <ravage> Those were contributed by the community only before
[12:38] <ravage> And of course still can. It just did not really happen much
[12:55] <ogra> krumelmonster, the links in that bot factoid surely answer your question in pretty detailed manner ...
[13:18] <BluesKaj> Hi all
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[14:45] <gyh> how to use it?
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> !ask | gyh
[14:46] <ubottu> gyh: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
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[14:52] <pickanick> does apt upgrade have an --assume-yes option ? I'm not finding option details in "man apt"
[14:53] <ravage> -y
[14:54] <ravage> the man page references the apt-get pages
[14:56] <pickanick> and about eight other references
[14:56] <pickanick> it turns out that -y is documented in apt-get.
[14:57] <ravage> It references section 8 of the apt-get manpage
[14:58] <pickanick> ah I see  upgrade (apt-get(8))  is supposed to be understood as "look in apt-get 8 for details"
[14:59] <ravage> Correct
[15:00] <pickanick> Thanks, that helps ....  The learning never ends!
[15:06] <pcrafford-adm> I am using Palo Alto Globalprotect on Ubuntu 22.04 to connect to our corp network. It seems that all deb applications that need access to internet work fine ( chrome, firefox Deb etc. ) However Most things installed via snap do are not able to connect to the internet. I have managed to narro it down to DNS lookups since if I connect directly to a web server using IP it works fine. Has anyone experienced this before?
[15:10] <ravage> firefox is a snap on Ubuntu 22.04
[15:10] <ravage> so if firefox works snap cant be the problem
[15:11] <ravage> unless you use maybe dns over https with it
[15:12] <ravage> in general snaps use the systems's dns servers
[15:13] <pcrafford-adm> Firefox snap does not work, I installed the deb and it worked. ( I prefer the snap though ). When I disconnect from vpn everything works
[15:13] <ravage> sounds like some "feature" your vpn tool has then. i would ask their support
[15:15] <ravage> https://www.reddit.com/r/paloaltonetworks/comments/17ujizg/help_globalprotect_version_61282_breaks_dns_for/
[15:17] <pcrafford-adm> Thank you, I will give that a try.
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[17:00] <nteodosio> Question: Is there a quicker way to install package and dependencies specific version? E.g. if I try apt install update-manager=1:16.04.18 it complains that it depends on that version of update-manager-core and then I have to list it too in the command line (and then rinse and repeat for other dependencies...).
[17:02] <nteodosio> Output example is termbin.com/loagu.
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[19:43] <hwpplayer1> I have 8GB RAM and 512 GB SSD I installed zram by running sudo apt-get install zram-config zram-tools command. How can I give 32 GB Zram or is it possible ? Thanks
[19:46] <JanC> hwpplayer1: you only need one of 'zram-config', 'zram-tools' or 'systemd-zram-generator'
[19:47] <hwpplayer1> okay then what should I do ?
[19:47] <hwpplayer1> JanC: Thanks
[19:48] <JanC> probably only install one at a time
[19:50] <JanC> say, you uninstall 'zram-config' & keep 'zram-tools'; then the configuration is in /etc/default/zramswap
[19:50] <hwpplayer1> I will install zram-tools again wait please
[19:51] <hwpplayer1> Okay
[19:51] <hwpplayer1> Then Can I give 32 GB RAM for Zram ?
[19:51] <JanC> also, zram can only be part of RAM, preferably no more than 10-25% (so no more than 2 GiB)
[19:52] <hwpplayer1> Can't I give 32 GB for a Zram ?
[19:53] <JanC> only if you have a lot more than 32 GiB RAM
[19:53] <hwpplayer1> Okay thanks
[19:53] <JanC> are you sure you want zram? what are you trying to do?
[19:54] <arraybolt3> FWIW I've assigned more zram than I had RAM in the past.
[19:54] <JanC> huh
[19:54] <JanC> it would just ignore that then, I suppose
[19:54] <arraybolt3> It compresses things and only takes as much room as it needs - the size you set is just a "maximum size" it can grow to taking.
[19:54] <arraybolt3> Kind of like a VM disk image with thin provisioning.
[19:55] <JanC> I don't see how that would be useful though
[19:55] <arraybolt3> So something like `zramctl --find --size=32G` should work on an 8GB machine.
[19:55] <hwpplayer1> I have 8GB RAM and 512 GB SSD and I want to run Android Studio and develop Android apps
[19:55] <arraybolt3> JanC: If you're using zram as swap, it can be very handy. For instance, if the uncompressed RAM shrinks down to 33% of it's size when compressed, you could theoretically store 24GB or so in 8 GB of RAM.
[19:56] <arraybolt3> But not if you only allow the ZRAM device to store 8GB of "real" RAM max.
[19:56] <arraybolt3> You'd need to make the ZRAM device around 24GB for it to be able to saturate RAM.
[19:56] <arraybolt3> (Now you probably don't want it to *actually* saturate RAM but you get my point.)
[19:56] <JanC> the size you give is the size _after_ compression
[19:56] <arraybolt3> No, before.
[19:56] <arraybolt3> You can know by making a zram device, formatting it as swap, then `swapon`ing it.
[19:57] <arraybolt3> Then look at the size of the swap device you just made - it will be the same as the size you specified to zramctl.
[19:57] <arraybolt3> Not an undefined size.
[19:57] <arraybolt3> If it were the size after compression, then the device would be of unspecified "real" size and would suddenly stop accepting new data once it filled up.
[19:58] <arraybolt3> But because it's the size before compression that you specify, it has a known amount of data it can store, and then the actual memory in RAM it uses up is learned only once you actually fill it. Usually the compression ratio is quite good though.
[20:24] <topcat001> I usually get at leat 2x, often 3x or more
[20:46] <masber> hi, is ubuntu 23.10 using wayland by default?
[20:46] <masber> var XDG_SESSION_TYPE says wayland
[20:47] <masber> but then I tried to install hyprland form sources and it fails because wayland is not installed?
[20:47] <masber> I don't understand
[20:48] <leftyfb> masber: yes. Wayland is default and is currently running on your machine
[20:49] <masber> ok, then it is not the latest version
[20:49] <leftyfb> masber: that is not the issue
[20:50] <leftyfb> aaaand, they're gone
[20:50] <leftyfb> oh actually. Maybe it is. "you will also need to build the latest wayland, wayland-protocols, and libdisplay-info tagged releases from source
[20:50] <leftyfb> "
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[21:38] <nuhue> i have an issue with server 23.10 which is really odd, i kinda need to send images of the freeze to show you when it does what it does
[21:38] <nuhue> after booting onto the USB, mid start-up the screen flashes 4 times
[21:38] <nuhue> then the screen is frozen..
[22:02] <nuhue> ?
[22:06] <ecapi> !discuss | nuhue
[22:06] <ubottu> nuhue: Want to talk about Ubuntu, but don't have a support question? /join #ubuntu-discuss for non-support Ubuntu discussion, or try #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Thanks!
[22:06] <nuhue> im looking for support
[22:06] <nuhue> to fix
[22:06] <nuhue> the issue on boot
[22:23] <nuhue> ?
[22:25] <masber> hi, I am trying to install hyprland in ubuntnu 23.10, apparently I am missing this package "gbm" or "Generic Buffer Management (GBM)" any idea which repo do I need to install it?
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[22:32] <bray90820> so on ubuntu 22.04 I am getting an ssh error
[22:32] <bray90820> Failed to add the host to the list of known hosts
[23:01] <elias_a> bray90820: Have you updgraded to 22.04 or is it a totally new installation?
[23:01] <bray90820> New install just did it yesterday
[23:03] <elias_a> bray90820: Well- if you have not transferred your ssh keys to your new installation the behaviour you describe is expected.
[23:03] <bray90820> It asks me if I wanna add the ssh key I hit yes and it gives me that message
[23:04] <elias_a> bray90820: Oh - sorry. I read your message hastily.
[23:04] <telgareith> For interactive programs, specifically parted or fdisk, is piping actions on separate lines to stdin the correct way to automate it?
[23:05] <elias_a> bray90820: does syslog contain anything about the reason?
[23:08] <bray90820> elias_a: Doesn't look like it
[23:15] <expatjedi> hey fellas, hope everyone is cool tonight
[23:16] <ecapi> !discuss | expatjedi
[23:16] <ubottu> expatjedi: Want to talk about Ubuntu, but don't have a support question? /join #ubuntu-discuss for non-support Ubuntu discussion, or try #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Thanks!
[23:20] <expatjedi> I just say hello
[23:27] <topcat001> bray90820: Check that permissions on ~/.ssh are 600
[23:27] <topcat001> 700 rather
[23:29] <topcat001> It should be safe to remove (or just move) the ~/.ssh/known_hosts file
[23:55] <bray90820> topcat001: Thanks but IO ended up purging and reoinstalling openssh and things seem to work correctly now