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| ddstreet | o/ | 16:02 |
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| ddstreet | mapreri teward around? | 16:02 |
| teward | *flops in* | 16:03 |
| ddstreet | good morning! | 16:03 |
| teward | send coffee | 16:03 |
| teward | genii: go fetch The Big Coffee Pot, the caffeine is required! | 16:03 |
| teward | :P | 16:03 |
| ddstreet | must have caffeine! | 16:04 |
| ddstreet | not sure if mapreri is able to make it today, i don't think he accepted the invite | 16:04 |
| ddstreet | i guess let's give him a few more minutes and then start | 16:05 |
| teward | good that lets me brew a coffee xD | 16:06 |
| ddstreet | ok ready when you are teward | 16:08 |
| teward | ye gimme a minute | 16:09 |
| teward | coffee maker is slow to heat today | 16:09 |
| ddstreet | i'll go ahead and start just to get thru the administrative previous action item stuff | 16:10 |
| ddstreet | #startmeeting Ubuntu Backports Team | 16:10 |
| meetingology | Meeting started at 16:10:26 UTC. The chair is ddstreet. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | 16:10 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick | 16:10 |
| ddstreet | #topic previous action items | 16:10 |
| ddstreet | i think almost all these are carry-overs so i'll run through them quick | 16:10 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic ddstreet get DEB_VENDOR=ubuntu dch --bpo to DTRT pls (carried over) | 16:11 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet get DEB_VENDOR=ubuntu dch --bpo to DTRT pls (carried over) | 16:11 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet get DEB_VENDOR=ubuntu dch --bpo to DTRT pls (carried over) | 16:11 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic ddstreet look at reviewer tooling such as 'queue' or other tools for reviewing/accepting/rejecting uploads, and closing the corresponding bugs (carried over) | 16:11 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet look at reviewer tooling such as 'queue' or other tools for reviewing/accepting/rejecting uploads, and closing the corresponding bugs (carried over) | 16:11 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet look at reviewer tooling such as 'queue' or other tools for reviewing/accepting/rejecting uploads, and closing the corresponding bugs (carried over) | 16:11 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic ddstreet send short policy wording proposal to ML regarding https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-backports/2023-March/023030.html | 16:11 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet send short policy wording proposal to ML regarding https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-backports/2023-March/023030.html | 16:11 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet send short policy wording proposal to ML regarding https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-backports/2023-March/023030.html | 16:11 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic ddstreet review cockpit backport uploads | 16:11 |
| ddstreet | i did this one! :-) | 16:11 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic ddstreet ping email to keep thread alive: clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions | 16:11 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet ping email to keep thread alive: clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions | 16:12 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet ping email to keep thread alive: clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions | 16:12 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic ddstreet sched next mtg oct 25 | 16:12 |
| ddstreet | did that one too! :) | 16:12 |
| ddstreet | i'll run thru mapreri's as well since he's not here | 16:12 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic mapreri upload (more of) all the tools (carried over, in progress) | 16:12 |
| ddstreet | #action mapreri upload (more of) all the tools (carried over, in progress) | 16:12 |
| meetingology | ACTION: mapreri upload (more of) all the tools (carried over, in progress) | 16:12 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic mapreri fix lintian to not complain about ~bpo suffix (https://bugs.debian.org/1001399) (carried over) | 16:12 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Debian bug 1001399 in lintian "lintian: adjust backports-upload-has-incorrect-version-number for ubuntu" [Normal, Open] | 16:12 | |
| ddstreet | #action mapreri fix lintian to not complain about ~bpo suffix (https://bugs.debian.org/1001399) (carried over) | 16:12 |
| meetingology | ACTION: mapreri fix lintian to not complain about ~bpo suffix (https://bugs.debian.org/1001399) (carried over) | 16:12 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic mapreri review wiki page to see how we can highlight that backport requestors need to do the backport work and find a sponsor (carried over) | 16:12 |
| ddstreet | #action mapreri review wiki page to see how we can highlight that backport requestors need to do the backport work and find a sponsor (carried over) | 16:12 |
| meetingology | ACTION: mapreri review wiki page to see how we can highlight that backport requestors need to do the backport work and find a sponsor (carried over) | 16:12 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic mapreri start thread on ML about how to use bug status to define meaing in process (carried over) | 16:12 |
| ddstreet | #action mapreri start thread on ML about how to use bug status to define meaing in process (carried over) | 16:13 |
| meetingology | ACTION: mapreri start thread on ML about how to use bug status to define meaing in process (carried over) | 16:13 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic teward make sure there are no bugs in requestbackport and backportpackage tools (in lunar) (carried over) | 16:13 |
| ddstreet | assume i should carry this over teward? | 16:13 |
| teward | ye | 16:13 |
| ddstreet | #action teward make sure there are no bugs in requestbackport and backportpackage tools (in lunar) (carried over) | 16:13 |
| meetingology | ACTION: teward make sure there are no bugs in requestbackport and backportpackage tools (in lunar) (carried over) | 16:13 |
| teward | #NeverEnoughCycles | 16:13 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic (unassigned) consider documenting an SLA for reviewing uploaded backport packages | 16:13 |
| ddstreet | #action (unassigned) consider documenting an SLA for reviewing uploaded backport packages | 16:13 |
| meetingology | ACTION: (unassigned) consider documenting an SLA for reviewing uploaded backport packages | 16:13 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic (unassigned) check if backports pocket uploads and/or approvals go to a ML (carried over) | 16:13 |
| ddstreet | #action (unassigned) check if backports pocket uploads and/or approvals go to a ML (carried over) | 16:13 |
| meetingology | ACTION: (unassigned) check if backports pocket uploads and/or approvals go to a ML (carried over) | 16:13 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic (unassigned) if no ML for backports uploads/approvals, check on how to create one (carried over) | 16:14 |
| ddstreet | #action (unassigned) if no ML for backports uploads/approvals, check on how to create one (carried over) | 16:14 |
| meetingology | ACTION: (unassigned) if no ML for backports uploads/approvals, check on how to create one (carried over) | 16:14 |
| ddstreet | indeed i always think i'll be able to find time but rarely do | 16:14 |
| ddstreet | ok that's all previous items | 16:14 |
| ddstreet | #topic open ML threads | 16:14 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions | 16:14 |
| ddstreet | #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-backports/2022-February/022680.html | 16:15 |
| ddstreet | i think we need to carry this one | 16:15 |
| teward | yup | 16:15 |
| ddstreet | #action clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions (carried over) | 16:15 |
| meetingology | ACTION: clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions (carried over) | 16:15 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic staging grub 2.12 backports in backports pocket during 24.04 developement cycle | 16:16 |
| ddstreet | #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-backports/2023-October/023128.html | 16:16 |
| ddstreet | #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-backports/2023-November/023150.html (my reply asking for clarification) | 16:17 |
| ddstreet | teward not sure if you read his email yet, but i'm not totally clear on what he's asking about? | 16:17 |
| ddstreet | juliank in case you're around ^ | 16:18 |
| teward | i havent - i have a ton of higher priority CC-hat emails drifting around | 16:18 |
| ddstreet | ok, let's just leave this one in the ML then, my reply was recent so let's give him some time to follow up | 16:19 |
| ddstreet | i'll keep it on the open threads | 16:19 |
| ddstreet | #action staging grub 2.12 backports in backports pocket during 24.04 developement cycle | 16:19 |
| meetingology | ACTION: staging grub 2.12 backports in backports pocket during 24.04 developement cycle | 16:19 |
| teward | i mean I don't see a benefit of this being in backports if its quirky and not stable | 16:19 |
| ddstreet | right, me neither | 16:19 |
| ddstreet | i assumed i must have misunderstood what he was proposing | 16:20 |
| teward | grub* is one of those things I dont think can be safely backported either without extreme care, hence why SRU/security processes cover it | 16:20 |
| teward | (using backports as staging isnt what backports is for) | 16:20 |
| ddstreet | yeah total agreement on that | 16:21 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-backports/2023-October/023129.html | 16:21 |
| teward | (this is what Experimental is for Debian Unstable but I digress) | 16:21 |
| ddstreet | #undo | 16:21 |
| meetingology | Removing item from minutes: SUBTOPIC | 16:21 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic Backport uploads to non-LTS releases | 16:21 |
| ddstreet | #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-backports/2023-October/023129.html | 16:21 |
| ddstreet | this is for the cockpit uploads to the non-LTS releases | 16:21 |
| ddstreet | our current policy is to only allow specifically exempted packages to get backported to non-LTS | 16:22 |
| ddstreet | my email was just to revisit that (in general, not specifically for cockpit pkgs) | 16:22 |
| teward | i think cockpit is an exception not the rule. the problem with interim releases is a lot of times backporting in interim can happen but then get lost in the chain | 16:23 |
| teward | historically it overloaded backporters | 16:23 |
| ddstreet | so it's probably better to keep the restriction but allow an exception for cockpit you think? | 16:23 |
| ddstreet | i'm fine either way, and i can see how it would overload us if it becomes more common | 16:24 |
| teward | imo there will always be exceptions | 16:24 |
| teward | on an adhoc basis or as needed | 16:24 |
| teward | but yes cockpit is one i would give as an exception | 16:24 |
| teward | and also add to our no-bug-needed backports list (its a special case) | 16:24 |
| ddstreet | i don't think we currently have any formal exception process for it currently, you think we need to define one, or just have informal exception agreements during our normal meetings? | 16:25 |
| teward | if it becomes more common, we can create formal processes. for now as long as we are quorate on exceptions we should be OK | 16:25 |
| teward | i dont see us granting a lot of exceptions | 16:26 |
| ddstreet | agreed | 16:26 |
| ddstreet | ok so we're quorate (since we have 2/3 today) and we both agree to keep the non-LTS restriction but also to give an exception to cockpit (and cockpit-podman, cockpit-machines) for non-LTS and no-bug-required | 16:26 |
| ddstreet | right? | 16:27 |
| ddstreet | i can update our wiki page to add its exception if so | 16:27 |
| teward | if you are in agreement with me on all that then yes | 16:27 |
| ddstreet | yep i am | 16:27 |
| ddstreet | ok i'll update the exception list | 16:27 |
| teward | then go right ahead and update the wiki | 16:27 |
| teward | yep | 16:27 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet update exception list to add cockpit, cockpit-machines, cockpit-podman | 16:28 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet update exception list to add cockpit, cockpit-machines, cockpit-podman | 16:28 |
| ddstreet | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports#Allowed_in_non-LTS_releases | 16:28 |
| ddstreet | for my reference | 16:28 |
| ddstreet | ok i think that's all the ML threads unless i missed something | 16:28 |
| ddstreet | #topic open bugs needing discussion | 16:29 |
| ddstreet | I don't see any open bugs, and i went through the upload queues earlier today | 16:29 |
| ddstreet | i'll handle the cockpit uploads to non-LTS releases | 16:29 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet review cockpit uploads to non-LTS releases | 16:29 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet review cockpit uploads to non-LTS releases | 16:29 |
| teward | perfect | 16:29 |
| ddstreet | #topic AOB | 16:30 |
| ddstreet | i think we've covered everything? | 16:30 |
| ddstreet | anything else? | 16:30 |
| teward | ddstreet: make a note that exceptions are evaluated on a case by case basis | 16:30 |
| ddstreet | yep | 16:30 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet note in wiki exceptions are evalated on a case by case basis | 16:30 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet note in wiki exceptions are evalated on a case by case basis | 16:30 |
| ddstreet | next mtg date? | 16:31 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic next mtg date | 16:31 |
| ddstreet | i think 4 wks gets into the holidays | 16:31 |
| teward | and are for exceptional cases NOT regular cases (so there has to be real strong support for an exception case for it to be approved) | 16:31 |
| teward | ye 4 weeks is right in holiday weeks | 16:31 |
| teward | we may be able to skip and just do an early january meeting in place of it | 16:31 |
| teward | if theres no objections | 16:31 |
| ddstreet | yeah let's move it to jan | 16:31 |
| ddstreet | works for me | 16:32 |
| teward | (email mapreri though to make sure they are OK with it) | 16:32 |
| ddstreet | yep | 16:32 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet email mapreri (and list) to pick next mtg date (probably in jan) | 16:32 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet email mapreri (and list) to pick next mtg date (probably in jan) | 16:32 |
| ddstreet | i think either jan 3 or jan 10 is most likely, probably jan 10 in case any of us is out right after the new year | 16:33 |
| ddstreet | but i'll email | 16:33 |
| teward | i'm always around by jan3 xD | 16:33 |
| ddstreet | lol i *probably* will be over my hangover by then ;-) | 16:33 |
| teward | IT Security never sleeps though so. :P | 16:33 |
| ddstreet | yeah you might be around jan 1 in that line of work :) | 16:34 |
| teward | well thats a day off but technically you're right | 16:34 |
| teward | emergency or smth | 16:34 |
| ddstreet | hope that pager doesn't go off at 12:01am jan 1 ;-P | 16:34 |
| teward | lol | 16:34 |
| teward | well i am gonna go get food i'm hungry | 16:35 |
| ddstreet | sounds good and i think we're wrapped up! | 16:35 |
| ddstreet | thanks! | 16:35 |
| teward | if theres no other business? | 16:35 |
| teward | perfect thank you! *disappears to lunch* | 16:35 |
| ddstreet | #endmeeting | 16:35 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended at 16:35:23 UTC. Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-11-29-16.10.moin.txt | 16:35 |
| ddstreet | thanks! o/ | 16:35 |
| juliank | ddstreet: I'll reply on the mailing list, I lost track of it, but suffice it to say: currently all releases are on 2.06; they'll all be on 2.12 in like May, but we want people to be able to try out 2.12 before that easily (and keep -proposed free for critical 2.06 updates) | 16:39 |
| * genii slides the industrial sized vat of tepid coffee in teward's direction | 17:22 | |
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