[07:34] <knome> man! why aren't there any good, simple color pickers like agave any more
[07:34] <knome> i guess i need to write yet another python app...
[07:42] <Unit193> "Green" Done.
[07:42] <Unit193> I picked a color for you.
[07:44] <knome> mmh
[07:45]  * Unit193 http://thedoghousediaries.com/1406
[07:46] <knome> i still have traumas about a book cover (i haven't read the book) where the article said the cover was green, even if it was clearly most like teal from those colors.
[07:46] <knome> s/the/a review/
[08:24] <arraybolt3> knome: Totally useless suggestion, KColorChooser?
[08:24]  * arraybolt3 ducks
[08:39] <knome> well it pulls in half of kde
[08:39] <knome> ;)
[08:44] <Unit193> Some Qt stuff is OK, libkf* or QML pulls in tons and tons...
[08:46] <Unit193> Ooooh, lets make knome pick the installer!
[08:46] <Unit193> knome: All pressure on you now!
[08:46] <knome> pick what?
[08:46] <knome> (:
[08:46] <knome> point me to an actionable URL and i can give me input? :P 
[08:47] <Unit193> URLs and facts?  Nono, we just have pretty names!  You get to see which *sounds* better!
[08:47] <knome> ooh :P
[08:48] <knome> i have no speaker plugged/connected, so this sounds (pun intended) fun!
[08:48] <knome> in other news, i can't understand how hard it is to even try to use a different editor than atom
[08:49] <knome> i'm trying to customize vscodium, but even this feels overpowering
[08:49] <knome> :P
[08:49] <knome> (yes, ofc i'm trying to do it in vscodium itself...)
[08:55] <Unit193> knome: For this LTS release, Ubuntu as a whole is dropping ubiquity and the options are the next thing Ubuntu invented or calamares.  So far of the flavors, only Lubuntu is using Calamares, though that's a cross distro installer, and is used upstream in Debian too.
[08:55] <Unit193> (Just as some filler on what I'm even joking about.)
[08:56] <knome> ok, so what's the technical differences?
[08:56] <knome> ubiquity was basically HTML, but what are ubuntu thing and calamares?
[08:56] <knome> i would personally the more easily editable, even if it was lacking a bit in features/possibilities, as long as it is not completely dumbed down
[08:58] <Unit193> For Calamares you can easily create a settings package to go with it, I've adapted the Debian one before.  Biggest downside of course is that it's Qt...  Now the Qt bits would be removed after install, but that's still a major downside.
[08:58] <Unit193> (Qt, not QML or libkf.)
[08:58] <knome> yeah, right.
[08:58] <knome> so do we know anything about the ubuntu thing?
[08:58] <Unit193> We?  Someone here might, I do not.  All I know is "Flutter"
[08:59] <knome> hmm, right
[09:00] <knome> https://ubuntu.com/blog/how-we-designed-the-new-ubuntu-desktop-installer
[09:00] <knome> this doesn't tell much though
[09:01] <Unit193> I could show you what it basically would look like for us, Calamares at least.
[09:01] <knome> it does mention feature slideshow.
[09:01] <knome> sure!
[09:01] <knome> https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-desktop-installer
[09:01] <knome> here it is.
[09:02] <knome> using subiquity as a backend
[09:06] <Unit193> I know my preference, but... :3
[09:07] <knome> what is it?
[09:07] <Unit193> At this point, leaning towards calamares.  Though of course there's downsides.
[09:07] <knome> right
[09:07] <knome> i'd like to see some kind of practical example how the ubuntu one could be ported to xubuntu
[09:08] <knome> or not ported, but customized
[09:08] <knome> minimal effort gets points
[09:12] <Unit193> Running through the install process to take a look at the current version of C.
[09:21] <Unit193> vbox doesn't want to work with me, oh well.
[09:21] <knome> vbox, that thing i one day have used
[09:21] <knome> :P
[09:30] <Unit193> https://salsa.debian.org/live-team/calamares-settings-debian/-/commit/34e6385374cb0a9fcf6bbe62a6761b585bb709a8 someone else cares about Xfce, nice.
[09:30] -ubottu:#xubuntu-devel- Commit 34e6385 in live-team/calamares-settings-debian "New release"
[09:39] <Unit193> knome: Did you actually want the ISO?
[11:09] <knome> err, not necessarily, just wanted to get some actual idea of the alternatives
[11:09] <knome> just (bitmap) images are fine as well
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