| Scary_Guy | We're still lied to | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| jrwren | truth | 01:37 |
| cmaloney | https://hachyderm.io/@Isaac_C/111484318273606937 | 17:17 |
| Mooncairn | Upgrading to 23.10 was a mistake. | 22:01 |
| cmaloney | oof. whay happened? | 22:02 |
| Mooncairn | GNOME 45 gets into a really weird state after the computer has been sitting idle for a while. | 22:02 |
| cmaloney | lovely | 22:02 |
| Mooncairn | It's in the activities view with a single dock icon for the activities view (yet recursive!). | 22:03 |
| cmaloney | wow | 22:03 |
| Mooncairn | s/yet/yes | 22:03 |
| cmaloney | that's handy | 22:03 |
| Mooncairn | The only thing I could do was log out and log back in. | 22:03 |
| cmaloney | hoping there is a fox soon | 22:04 |
| cmaloney | fix too | 22:04 |
| Mooncairn | I'm not holding my breath. | 22:04 |
| cmaloney | well no, you'd pass out | 22:04 |
| Mooncairn | I had issues with GNOME 44, but the worst was that it'd sometimes go out to lunch and not register mouse clocks or keyboard presses for any window until I opened a new program. | 22:05 |
| Mooncairn | This tops that, easily. | 22:05 |
| Mooncairn | I may consider other desktop environments (not KDE, though; *looking at you Akonadi*) and/or a move back to Debian. | 22:07 |
| Mooncairn | ... if I can't figure out the current issues. | 22:07 |
| cmaloney | right | 22:07 |
| jrwren | popos is good | 22:10 |
| Mooncairn | I considered popos before going to Ubuntu. I don't like that they're stuck on 22.04. | 22:12 |
| cmaloney | I tihnk that might be a feature, in retrospect | 22:13 |
| * Mooncairn considers that thoughtfully. | 22:16 | |
| Mooncairn | Okay, I'm encouraged that when I google popos and snaps that I find instructions on how to install the Snap Store, meaning that popos doesn't install snaps by default. :-) | 22:18 |
| Mooncairn | I'm going to try locking my screen to see if I can get GNOME to crap the bed again. (That would be the reason if I suddenly drop out of chat.) | 22:20 |
| Mooncairn | Yes, it's reproducible, but not consistently. | 22:24 |
| cmaloney | Time for a bug report if you can | 22:29 |
| Mooncairn | Lovely, when I went into settings to try disabling automatic locking, settings froze up and then crashed. | 22:30 |
| cmaloney | Year of the Linux Desktop, folks. | 22:30 |
| cmaloney | This is why I'm still on 20.04 | 22:31 |
| jrwren | no snaps is why i like popos | 22:32 |
| jrwren | jorge's ublue is nice too. | 22:32 |
| jrwren | weird, but nice. | 22:32 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, we've got him talking about it in January IIRC. | 22:34 |
| Mooncairn | nice | 22:34 |
| Mooncairn | I'll have to check that out. | 22:34 |
| cmaloney | Should be fab. | 22:40 |
| Mooncairn | I think this may be a problem with an extension. Disabling all of them seems to make the problem go away. | 22:41 |
| Mooncairn | Not so much for Settings crashing, though. | 22:42 |
| cmaloney | Which extension, do you suspect? | 22:43 |
| cmaloney | Also, it could be that you need to start fresh with your GNOME settings | 22:43 |
| Mooncairn | Not sure, yet. I just mass disabled them all. | 22:43 |
| cmaloney | OK | 22:43 |
| Mooncairn | Now I'd say Dash to Dock is likely. | 22:44 |
| Mooncairn | After mass enabling, I was starting to disable individual extensions. | 22:45 |
| Mooncairn | When it came to Dash to Dock, the dock went away, and when I re-enabled it, the dock came back with just the activities icon. | 22:46 |
| Mooncairn | I'm going to try entering Activities now and see if things lock up again. | 22:46 |
| cmaloney | Good luck | 22:47 |
| Mooncairn | Winner winner, chicken dinner. | 22:47 |
| Mooncairn | So, now I know which extension. Question is, is this one provided by Ubuntu or is it third party. | 22:48 |
| Mooncairn | Okay, I though Dash to Dock was an Ubuntu thing, but apparently not unless I'm missing something. | 22:49 |
| Mooncairn | The answer is apparently yes to both. (I had a 3rd-party plugin overlaid over Ubuntu's somehow.) | 22:51 |
| Mooncairn | Got rid of the 3rd party version. | 22:51 |
| Mooncairn | Yup, that solved it. | 22:52 |
| jrwren | 3rd party stuff ... ugh | 22:53 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, that's always been an issue | 22:56 |
| cmaloney | Stuff changes and the third-party stuff breaks in novel ways | 22:57 |
| Mooncairn | Settings keeps crashing. | 22:58 |
| Mooncairn | I'm not alone. It's a known issue that Ubuntu won't fix. :-( | 23:07 |
| cmaloney | Do they at least recommend a work-around? | 23:10 |
| Mooncairn | Nope. | 23:10 |
| cmaloney | Time to apply pressure then | 23:10 |
| Mooncairn | Won't fix because it's a "random issue". | 23:10 |
| cmaloney | Not random if you can replicate it | 23:11 |
| cmaloney | Have you tried the "make a new user and see if it still does it" trick? | 23:11 |
| Mooncairn | I'll give that a try. | 23:11 |
| cmaloney | because it sounds like settings config is causing issues | 23:11 |
| cmaloney | and that may be something that can be uploaded so folks can poke at it | 23:11 |
| Mooncairn | Can't get gnome-control-center to crash under new user, but it does sporadically lock up. | 23:21 |
| Mooncairn | And both lock up and crash do seem to be completely random. | 23:21 |
| Scary_Guy | I like Mint, maybe try that. I hear PopOS is good too which was also mentioned. | 23:24 |
| Mooncairn | That's a thought. I prefer the GNOME-style interface and Cinnamon seems like a throw back, but I like that Mint is a little newer. | 23:34 |
| Scary_Guy | Well Mint has other flavors to it. Mate is nice as is XFCE. You can also stick Gnome on it yourself if you really want. | 23:37 |
| Mooncairn | Mint sits on top of Debian, I gather? | 23:37 |
| Scary_Guy | No, LMDE sits on top of Debian. Mint proper sits on top of Ubuntu (which sits on top of Debian.) | 23:38 |
| Mooncairn | Ah, okay. | 23:38 |
| Mooncairn | Got a random crash under the test account. | 23:58 |
| Scary_Guy | Under what? What did the log say? | 23:59 |
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