[00:01] <Scary_Guy> We're still lied to
[01:37] <jrwren> truth
[17:17] <cmaloney> https://hachyderm.io/@Isaac_C/111484318273606937
[22:01] <Mooncairn> Upgrading to 23.10 was a mistake.
[22:02] <cmaloney> oof. whay happened?
[22:02] <Mooncairn> GNOME 45 gets into a really weird state after the computer has been sitting idle for a while.
[22:02] <cmaloney> lovely
[22:03] <Mooncairn> It's in the activities view with a single dock icon for the activities view (yet recursive!).
[22:03] <cmaloney> wow
[22:03] <Mooncairn> s/yet/yes
[22:03] <cmaloney> that's handy
[22:03] <Mooncairn> The only thing I could do was log out and log back in.
[22:04] <cmaloney> hoping there is a fox soon
[22:04] <cmaloney> fix too
[22:04] <Mooncairn> I'm not holding my breath.
[22:04] <cmaloney> well no, you'd pass out
[22:05] <Mooncairn> I had issues with GNOME 44, but the worst was that it'd sometimes go out to lunch and not register mouse clocks or keyboard presses for any window until I opened a new program.
[22:05] <Mooncairn> This tops that, easily.
[22:07] <Mooncairn> I may consider other desktop environments (not KDE, though; *looking at you Akonadi*) and/or a move back to Debian.
[22:07] <Mooncairn> ... if I can't figure out the current issues.
[22:07] <cmaloney> right
[22:10] <jrwren> popos is good
[22:12] <Mooncairn> I considered popos before going to Ubuntu. I don't like that they're stuck on 22.04.
[22:13] <cmaloney> I tihnk that might be a feature, in retrospect
[22:16]  * Mooncairn considers that thoughtfully.
[22:18] <Mooncairn> Okay, I'm encouraged that when I google popos and snaps that I find instructions on how to install the Snap Store, meaning that popos doesn't install snaps by default. :-)
[22:20] <Mooncairn> I'm going to try locking my screen to see if I can get GNOME to crap the bed again. (That would be the reason if I suddenly drop out of chat.)
[22:24] <Mooncairn> Yes, it's reproducible, but not consistently.
[22:29] <cmaloney> Time for a bug report if you can
[22:30] <Mooncairn> Lovely, when I went into settings to try disabling automatic locking, settings froze up and then crashed.
[22:30] <cmaloney> Year of the Linux Desktop, folks.
[22:31] <cmaloney> This is why I'm still on 20.04
[22:32] <jrwren> no snaps is why i like popos
[22:32] <jrwren> jorge's ublue is nice too.
[22:32] <jrwren> weird, but nice.
[22:34] <cmaloney> Yeah, we've got him talking about it in January IIRC.
[22:34] <Mooncairn> nice
[22:34] <Mooncairn> I'll have to check that out.
[22:40] <cmaloney> Should be fab.
[22:41] <Mooncairn> I think this may be a problem with an extension. Disabling all of them seems to make the problem go away.
[22:42] <Mooncairn> Not so much for Settings crashing, though.
[22:43] <cmaloney> Which extension, do you suspect?
[22:43] <cmaloney> Also, it could be that you need to start fresh with your GNOME settings
[22:43] <Mooncairn> Not sure, yet. I just mass disabled them all.
[22:43] <cmaloney> OK
[22:44] <Mooncairn> Now I'd say Dash to Dock is likely.
[22:45] <Mooncairn> After mass enabling, I was starting to disable individual extensions.
[22:46] <Mooncairn> When it came to Dash to Dock, the dock went away, and when I re-enabled it, the dock came back with just the activities icon.
[22:46] <Mooncairn> I'm going to try entering Activities now and see if things lock up again.
[22:47] <cmaloney> Good luck
[22:47] <Mooncairn> Winner winner, chicken dinner.
[22:48] <Mooncairn> So, now I know which extension. Question is, is this one provided by Ubuntu or is it third party.
[22:49] <Mooncairn> Okay, I though Dash to Dock was an Ubuntu thing, but apparently not unless I'm missing something.
[22:51] <Mooncairn> The answer is apparently yes to both. (I had a 3rd-party plugin overlaid over Ubuntu's somehow.)
[22:51] <Mooncairn> Got rid of the 3rd party version.
[22:52] <Mooncairn> Yup, that solved it.
[22:53] <jrwren> 3rd party stuff ... ugh
[22:56] <cmaloney> Yeah, that's always been an issue
[22:57] <cmaloney> Stuff changes and the third-party stuff breaks in novel ways
[22:58] <Mooncairn> Settings keeps crashing.
[23:07] <Mooncairn> I'm not alone. It's a known issue that Ubuntu won't fix. :-(
[23:10] <cmaloney> Do they at least recommend a work-around?
[23:10] <Mooncairn> Nope.
[23:10] <cmaloney> Time to apply pressure then
[23:10] <Mooncairn> Won't fix because it's a "random issue".
[23:11] <cmaloney> Not random if you can replicate it
[23:11] <cmaloney> Have you tried the "make a new user and see if it still does it" trick?
[23:11] <Mooncairn> I'll give that a try.
[23:11] <cmaloney> because it sounds like settings config is causing issues
[23:11] <cmaloney> and that may be something that can be uploaded so folks can poke at it
[23:21] <Mooncairn> Can't get gnome-control-center to crash under new user, but it does sporadically lock up.
[23:21] <Mooncairn> And both lock up and crash do seem to be completely random.
[23:24] <Scary_Guy> I like Mint, maybe try that.  I hear PopOS is good too which was also mentioned.
[23:34] <Mooncairn> That's a thought. I prefer the GNOME-style interface and Cinnamon seems like a throw back, but I like that Mint is a little newer.
[23:37] <Scary_Guy> Well Mint has other flavors to it.  Mate is nice as is XFCE.  You can also stick Gnome on it yourself if you really want.
[23:37] <Mooncairn> Mint sits on top of Debian, I gather?
[23:38] <Scary_Guy> No, LMDE sits on top of Debian.  Mint proper sits on top of Ubuntu (which sits on top of Debian.)
[23:38] <Mooncairn> Ah, okay.
[23:58] <Mooncairn> Got a random crash under the test account.
[23:59] <Scary_Guy> Under what?  What did the log say?