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piethesailorHello all! I could use a pointer on a really simple question00:27
piethesailorI have downloaded a program through pip that should run as a command line program. hy00:28
piethesailorhowever, after installing, I run hy at the terminal and I get that it is not found00:28
piethesailorI understand that pip installs things not on $PATH, but I feel like I have tried all combinations of export /paths/:$PATH to no avail00:30
rboxwere you putting random directories in there, or the directory tghe  command is in?00:30
rboxdid you try opening a new shell?00:31
rboxit should be in ~/.local/bin and that'll only get added to your path if it exists when the shell was opened00:31
rboxand/or you logged in00:31
rboxdepednign on your shell settings00:31
piethesailorpython3 -m pip show hy returns00:32
piethesailorLocation: /home/wpg/.local/lib/python3.10/site-packages00:32
rboxthats not the location of the commands00:32
piethesailorHow would I find where the location of the commands with pip are stored?00:33
enigma9o7without reading what rbox said?00:33
enigma9o7you could use 'find'00:33
enigma9o7find . -name filename00:33
piethesailor...I swore I looked in .local/bin and it wasnt showing... sure is now though00:34
enigma9o7there is some logic, i think .profile, that checks if ~/bin exists and if it does, adds it to your path.  maybe the same thing applies for ~/.local/bin.  but gotta relogin to get .profile to run again.00:36
piethesailorSo I may be to ignorant to understand what to do next then..00:36
piethesailoradd export PATH="/home/user/.local/bin:$PATH" ?00:36
piethesailorto .bashrc00:37
enigma9o7well, logout/login (or reboot) and see if .local/bin is in your path, if not add somethiing liek that to .bashrc works yeah00:37
piethesailorokay. I see my problem now00:37
enigma9o7I don't think 'export' is necessary?  and its $USER00:37
piethesailorI use emacs, and eshell doesnt recognize hy00:38
piethesailorbut if i run bash in eshell and try hy it works00:38
piethesailorso its an emacs env issue is suppose00:38
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jscript_welp now we get   Can't load 'build-dir': Failed to open file ?/home/ubuntu/build-dir?: No such file or directory02:27
jscript_flatpak run org.flatpak.Builder flatpak-builder build-dir ${{ matrix.flatpak_id }}.yml02:28
jscript_does build-dir  need to exist prior to invoking flatpak builder02:28
jscript_as i assume flatpak-builder would have automattically created it if it did not exist02:29
mazzahey guys hows it going02:36
mazzais anyone awake02:37
phantom_hi02:43
phantom_o02:51
arraybolt3phantom_: Heya! This is the official Ubuntu chat support channel. Is there anything we can help you with?02:51
phantom_well xubuntu keeps doing the startup aniation even tho i deleted XFCE02:52
phantom_animation*02:52
arraybolt3You uninstalled XFCE from Xubuntu? Are you hoping to have some different startup animation or are you trying to remove the animation entirely?02:53
phantom_no i am using ubuntu desktop right now and my version is 22.0402:54
phantom_and need to go back to the main startup animation02:54
phantom_like the ubuntu startup02:54
arraybolt3Ah. I'd try removing plymouth-theme-xubuntu-logo and plymouth-theme-xubuntu-text packages.02:55
arraybolt3And make sure plymouth-theme-ubuntu-logo is installed.02:55
phantom_ok02:55
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phantom_i hope the bootloader works after i uninstalled plymouth-theme-xubuntu-logo and plymouth-theme-xubuntu-text02:59
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jscript_welp imma just accept flatpack requires --privileged in docker :/03:06
ecapi!discuss | jscript_03:07
ubottujscript_: Want to talk about Ubuntu, but don't have a support question? /join #ubuntu-discuss for non-support Ubuntu discussion, or try #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Thanks!03:07
chitoHow in the (etc) do I remove snap firefox so I can just install it with apt? I purged that baby with snap and apt still says it's installed via snap04:36
chitowho's idea was it to default snap install it04:37
chitoI would like to speak to the president of canonical himself about this snap business.04:37
rboxif you're unhappy with ubuntu, you can use a different dist04:38
rboxhow does apt "say" its installed via snap04:38
chito"firefox is already the newest version (1:1snap1-0ubuntu3)"04:38
rboxthat says the firefox package in apt with that version is installed04:39
chitorbox: I love it OK I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. Are you the president?04:39
chitoAh shucks, apt installs snap version???04:39
rboxyes04:39
chitoludicrous !04:40
chitoMr. Canonical has lost it04:40
rboxgo troll somewhere else04:41
chito>troll04:41
chitowhatever man04:42
chitoI just think it's stupid to have two package managers by default, and insane to have one utilize the other one for no reason04:42
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P1roHi, this is more like a general question, can someone recommend me a p2p chat-video app like whatsapp-signal-zoom but where i can have my server and control clients? i was trying to setup wire, but when compiled i eneded with some cardano network error, i was checking keet.io but they dont have code or option for server, thanks.07:40
ecapi!discuss | P1ro07:45
ubottuP1ro: Want to talk about Ubuntu, but don't have a support question? /join #ubuntu-discuss for non-support Ubuntu discussion, or try #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Thanks!07:45
P1rothanks ecapi07:46
guestavo_hombreHi, in here. I am trying to reinstall grob to my usb drive... and no matter what I do... it won't boot. BUT it boots, when I go into efi and choose "boot via efi". Where Can i start troubleshooting this  problem ?07:46
guestavo_hombrebtw i logged my grub-install into 2>&1 | tee "filename" if anyone is interested.07:50
guestavo_hombrei issue apt-get install grub and it tells me, it will replace grub efi with grub-legacy  - why is that ?08:17
EriC^^guestavo_hombre: grub is the old package, grub-pc is the newer grub v208:25
EriC^^guestavo_hombre: if you have grub efi, you want to install grub-efi-amd64... packages, what are you trying to do?08:26
guestavo_hombrei want to grub-install on my thumbdrive08:29
guestavo_hombreand it does not work , sda1 is boot on /boot, sda2 is efi on /boot/efi. I issue grub-install -v --removable /dev/sda 2>&1 | tee grubinstall.log08:31
guestavo_hombreAnd it does not find the boot, in bios prompt. HOWEVER. I can select "Boot from efi" and this twerks like a charm. So dev/sda1 is somehow not written properly... badblocks on both return 0 badblocks.08:31
EriC^^guestavo_hombre: can you pastebin08:37
guestavo_hombrethat logfile ?08:37
EriC^^nah, mount /dev/sda2 and pastebin 'ls -lR /mountpoint'08:37
EriC^^guestavo_hombre: did you try the run-time boot menu in the pc?08:39
EriC^^and choose the usb from there08:39
EriC^^guestavo_hombre: also can you share the "sudo parted -ls" output of the usb?08:40
guestavo_hombrerun-time boot menu ?08:40
pagioshi umask 0000 should not touch anythin, so which do i end up with rw-rw-rw  and not rwx-rwx-rwx08:40
guestavo_hombreYou mean grub-bootmenu ?08:40
EriC^^yeah, usually there's a button that brings up a menu to choose a booting device after the pc powers up08:41
EriC^^which laptop make is it? or desktop pc motherboard or make?08:41
EriC^^hp?08:41
guestavo_hombreyeah, hp and i can only boot this thumbdrive from efi-file08:42
guestavo_hombrebios is hybrid08:42
EriC^^are you pressing f9 to get the boot from efi thing?08:42
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guestavo_hombreesc -> choose08:42
EriC^^aha08:42
EriC^^try f9, that's the run-time boot menu for hp08:42
EriC^^but first please share those pastes just to see everything is in order08:43
guestavo_hombrewgetpaste right ?08:43
EriC^^you could do "(sudo parted -ls; ls -lR /mountpoint) | nc termbin.com 9999"08:43
guestavo_hombremy wgetpaste fails, nothing recieved. use debug or verbose08:47
guestavo_hombreno it works08:49
EriC^^what about the | nc termbin.. one?08:49
guestavo_hombrenever did that, what is termbin? Executable ?08:50
EriC^^no it's a website for pasting stuff08:50
EriC^^sends the paste via netcat08:50
guestavo_hombrestrange, using -v on wgetpaste shows the url, and my stuff is there. BUT wgetpaste does not prompt the created url.08:51
guestavo_hombrelet me try the other oneö08:51
guestavo_hombretermibin.com/i2gv08:52
guestavo_hombre-i08:53
EriC^^is that ls -l or ls -lR ?08:54
guestavo_hombredamn forgot paranthesis08:55
EriC^^no worries, run again make sure it's -lR to see all the dirs08:55
guestavo_hombreit is "I" and "R"08:56
EriC^^ah no it's a small L08:56
guestavo_hombrebut both in a row are not pasted, only one08:56
guestavo_hombrewith paranthesis: Parted only, without paranths , ls only08:56
EriC^^hmm try them separately i guess, ls -lR ... | nc termbin.com 999908:58
guestavo_hombrenow it twerked09:02
guestavo_hombrehttps://bpa.st/2SYQ09:03
guestavo_hombreEriC^^09:07
guestavo_hombrehttps://bpa.st/2SYQ09:07
guestavo_hombrein the meantime i reboot by F909:07
EriC^^guestavo_hombre: parted output looks good09:08
EriC^^sure give it a go if you want09:08
guestavo_hombreF9 twerks, I see the same as if i entered this subemnu by ESC and then navigating to thr proper option09:08
EriC^^usb is there?09:09
guestavo_hombre1) external USB drive09:09
guestavo_hombre2) Boot from efi file ( always worked )09:09
guestavo_hombre3) USB Hard drive 1 ( SanDisk UltraFIt )09:09
EriC^^aha09:09
guestavo_hombrei go for 1.09:09
guestavo_hombreand it worked ????09:10
guestavo_hombrewth ?09:10
EriC^^great09:10
guestavo_hombresomewhere I read, the grub timeout set to 0 shall solve this09:10
guestavo_hombrelet me reboot without F909:11
guestavo_hombreno, Boot device not found09:11
guestavo_hombrei will reboot with F9 - option 1. And edit the timeout09:11
guestavo_hombrejust trying09:11
EriC^^try to put the usb at the top of the priority in the bios09:12
guestavo_hombreit is09:12
EriC^^is csm legacy mode disabled?09:12
guestavo_hombrecsm hybrid is selected09:12
EriC^^remove csm legacy09:12
EriC^^csm is legacy mode, it's probably looking for legacy mbr right now09:13
guestavo_hombrei do have 3 options.09:14
guestavo_hombre1) Legacy09:14
guestavo_hombre2) UEFI hybrid ( with csm )09:14
guestavo_hombre3) UEFI Native ( without csm )09:14
guestavo_hombreMy gentoo disc runs finr with 2 or 3.09:14
guestavo_hombreI never choose 109:14
guestavo_hombrestill banned ?09:16
EriC^^no09:16
EriC^^hmm, maybe 3rd option works with usb as priority09:16
EriC^^2 should work, but who knows maybe they didnt do it wlel09:17
EriC^^*well09:17
guestavo_hombrechanged to 309:19
guestavo_hombreno bootable image found, will be shut down09:19
EriC^^are there different usb options in the list?09:19
EriC^^usb uefi ?09:19
guestavo_hombreyeah, now generic usb dvice is first, and usb gard drive is second,  i will swap them09:20
guestavo_hombrei changed to 1 usb hard drive, 2 os boot manager and 3 generic usb device09:21
guestavo_hombrestill no bootable image found09:21
EriC^^hmm, it's a long shot but is secureboot enabled or disabled?09:22
guestavo_hombredisabled09:23
guestavo_hombrenow i placed customized boot on top, then os, then usb hard drive , then generic...09:26
EriC^^aha any luck?09:26
guestavo_hombrenope09:26
guestavo_hombrei witch back to hybrid now09:27
EriC^^guestavo_hombre: try to boot using the efi file again, then run "ls -lR /mountpoint" and paste it (note it's -lR small L not I09:27
guestavo_hombre+s+09:27
stefan00any idea of when we see a linux 6.6 kernel (pre-) release on ubuntu ;-) ?09:33
guestavo_hombreEriC^^ https://www.termbin.com/ko2a09:33
guestavo_hombrebrb09:34
EriC^^guestavo_hombre: where is /dev/sda2 mounted right now?09:40
EriC^^try "df /dev/sda2"09:40
guestavo_hombresda2 is on /boot/efi09:46
guestavo_hombreand it is only 1%  used09:46
guestavo_hombrei resized it recently09:46
guestavo_hombreand also., from uefi menu I can access those multiple efi files and boot them, ( no matter, which ) and they boot properly09:49
guestavo_hombrei forgot to change the timeout, wait, will try this now09:50
guestavo_hombrealso in my grub menu are old kernels present, which i  already deleted.09:52
guestavo_hombretimeout changed, no success09:54
EriC^^guestavo_hombre: try doing "sudo mkdir -p /boot/efi/efi/microsoft/boot"09:54
guestavo_hombrewhy microsoft ? i do not have any microsofts on this laptop09:55
EriC^^then "sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/boot/bootx64.efi /boot/efi/efi/microsoft/boot/bootmgfw.efi"09:55
EriC^^guestavo_hombre: manufacturer implementation09:55
guestavo_hombreok09:55
EriC^^try rebooting10:00
guestavo_hombrebecause EFI is a simple one, efi and EFI are duplicates. i stuck to EFI then created ms in this, in this then boot and there i placed that bootmgfw.efi. OK ?10:01
guestavo_hombreby simple, i mean, that simple fs, where case does not matter10:02
guestavo_hombresame result, BootDevice not found ( HARD DISK 3F0 )10:06
EriC^^guestavo_hombre: no it has to be in /boot/efi/efi/mic...10:12
guestavo_hombresmall letters ? must be ?10:12
EriC^^oh10:12
guestavo_hombre?10:13
EriC^^no the case doesnt matter, thought you meant you put it in /boot/efi10:13
guestavo_hombreno no, i placed it there, where You redommended10:13
EriC^^odd why it doesnt want to boot it automatically10:13
EriC^^i think it's looking for legacy BootDevice not found ( HARD DISK 3F0 ) sounds like it's not finding mbr bootcode10:14
guestavo_hombreduring my grub-install i logged it and it sayd devicemap not found10:14
guestavo_hombrewanna inspect this ?10:14
EriC^^if you want you could just install also legacy mbr code10:14
guestavo_hombrealso ?10:14
guestavo_hombreHow this ?10:14
EriC^^anyways that's better, that way the usb would boot on any pc, uefi or legacy10:14
guestavo_hombrebut then i need to switch that uefi option back to hybrid ?10:15
guestavo_hombreor even legacy ?10:15
guestavo_hombrethen my ssd won't boot gentoo anymore10:15
EriC^^i think even right now its looking for legacy on the usb10:15
EriC^^guestavo_hombre: type 'sudo cgdisk /dev/sda'10:16
guestavo_hombreyeah, AND if i switch to native ( with CSM ) like now, i get that "no bootabe media found" inside the uefi menu, though f9 still works10:17
guestavo_hombrelet my issue that, wait10:17
EriC^^you have like 2gb there that's unallocated between sda2 and sda310:17
guestavo_hombrethat's true.10:17
EriC^^create a 2MB partition there10:17
guestavo_hombrebecause prior to resize i needed to align it a bit10:18
guestavo_hombreah, wait, i even do habe 1007 KB free space before sda1. Maybe this is bad ?10:19
EriC^^no that's fine10:19
EriC^^very normal10:19
guestavo_hombreok. so now create that 2GB partition ?10:19
EriC^^2MB not GB10:20
guestavo_hombrejust for try and error.10:20
guestavo_hombre2MB, ok, purpose is ?10:20
EriC^^tiny partition10:20
EriC^^to install grub legacy bootloader code to it10:20
guestavo_hombrehow install legacy into it with that kind of grub i currently have ?10:22
EriC^^got dc did you get my msgs about it10:23
EriC^^to install grub legacy bootloader code to it, then MBR or uefi will boot, either mode,it's very standard, it's used for legacy booting when you have a gpt partition table10:23
EriC^^guestavo_hombre: did you create the partition?10:24
EriC^^when it asks for the type, put in the hexcode ef0210:24
EriC^^then write the table , quit, and run 'sudo partprobe /dev/sda'10:25
guestavo_hombrewait a sec...10:26
guestavo_hombremy boot ( sda1 ) is the first partition, BUT my bootflag and esp flag are set on /dev/sda210:26
EriC^^yeah that's normal10:30
EriC^^esp is the efi partition10:31
guestavo_hombrei do have fastboot set up in uefi. Kick that out ?10:39
guestavo_hombrethat's it10:41
guestavo_hombref.ing fastboot10:41
guestavo_hombrei kicked it out, now it twerks10:41
Peer^_Hello everyone. Can someone tell me if there is a command that shows when the last apt upgrade was performed?10:45
gryPeer^_: that is logged in /var/log/apt/history.log10:46
Peer^_thank you, gry. I know, but I would like a solution independent of the log files10:47
gryhm10:54
guestavo_hombreEriC^^ THX a lot for Your time.10:55
guestavo_hombrefastboot10:55
guestavo_hombrethat was the pita10:55
yutahttps://releases.ubuntu.com/23.10.1/ubuntu-23.10.1-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent10:56
yutano peers10:56
yutano datas10:56
yutafrom here10:56
yutahttps://ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads10:56
Peer^_gry: looks like there really isn't anything there11:08
escolaoi11:32
webchat70Hi11:40
webchat70I am having problem with an issue where I thinks it's a linux bug, and would greatly appreciate some help in how and where to report.11:41
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yutaI got more peers , excuse me.11:48
Habbiewebchat70, start by telling us about the problem11:49
webchat70I am working with a x86_64 PC / laptop. Connected to the RS232 / serial port is a bare metal UART receiver.11:51
webchat70The bare metal board sends data to that serial port /dev/ttyS0, and everything is working fine and dandy at different baud rates and different flow controls...11:52
webchat70...except when the PC was in a power down / sleep (closing the lid), where UART data is lost. Only chunks of approx 14 bytes are received every ~ 1 second or such. I can fix it by re-booting the PC, but when I put the PC in sleep, after awake the issue returns.11:53
Habbiethe FIFO on the UART chip in the PC is 16 bytes11:54
webchat70It seems like the receiver hardware is missing interrupts from the UART chip.11:54
Habbieso i wonder if this is an interrupt problem11:54
Habbieanything interesting in dmesg?11:54
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Habbiethe 16550 series UARTs incorporated a 16-byte FIFO buffer with a programmable interrupt trigger of 1, 4, 8, or 14 bytes.11:55
Habbieok, there's your 1411:55
Habbiemonitoring the right line of /proc/interrupts before and after sleep might be interesting11:56
webchat70in dmesg there is nothin I can relate to UART, I am absolutly noob though.11:58
Habbiewant to pastebin it?11:58
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webchat70Trying to fing out how to pastebin...12:02
webchat70https://pastebin.com/sXM8yKm612:03
Habbiethis is after wakeup?12:03
Habbieoh several sleeps12:04
Habbiea few lines mention 'serial'12:04
webchat70Yes, only after wakeup, and consistently.12:04
Habbiebut nothing interesting about serial12:04
webchat70cat /proc/interrupts (after wakeup) whows an entry for IRQ 4:  "4:          0      23155   IO-APIC   4-edge      ttyS0"12:05
masberhi, I am using ubuntu 23.10, is it possible to configure it so specific applications always open in a specific workspace? for instance, I want Firefox to always open in Workspace 1 and the terminal to always open in Workspace 212:05
masberI am using gnome + wayland12:05
masberdefault installation12:06
Habbiewebchat70, what that 23155 does over time is what might be interseting12:06
Habbie*interesting12:06
Habbiewebchat70, it's a simple counter12:06
webchat70That "23155" is in the column for "CPU1" (PC has 2 cores).12:07
Habbieyes - and i'm wondering, does that number grow fast when it works, and grow slowly when it's broken?12:07
webchat70That counter is not 23295 (UART device is sending each second > 14 chars).12:08
webchat70That counter is NOWt 23295 (UART device is sending each second > 14 chars).12:08
webchat70To see what it does when working, I'd have to reboot my PC.12:10
Habbiei have another question12:10
Habbiethe software that reads from serial, do you restart it after sleep?12:11
swenssonGreetings, got Ubuntu 23.10 installed, unable to get my website SSL certed... Any good tutorials on this?.... The one I followed on Digitalocean seems to not have worked for me...12:12
webchat70I am using minicom (also tries some other terminal program). Restartin minicom does not help.12:12
Habbieok12:12
Habbiei like tio, but that's besides the point right now i think12:12
swenssonNvm, I'm retarded12:12
webchat70Also when I am just sending 5 chars / second, and no chars are lost, the couner in /perc/interrupts still increases by 1 each second (again after awake).12:13
webchat70I stopped minicom, install tio and am now running tio: Same loss after 14 chars (still after awake).12:21
webchat70To me it looks like a bug in 16550 handling after awake and no IRQs are raised or handled. I am on: x64_64, Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS, Kernel Linux 5.11.0-27-generic.12:24
webchat70I also wrote a small program to read out the I/O memory associated to UART. It prints:12:27
webchat70gcc open-tty.c -o open-tty.x -save-temps -g3 -Os && sudo ./open-tty.x12:27
webchat70opened /dev/ttyS012:27
webchat70    c_iflag = 0x0000000012:27
webchat70    c_oflag = 0x0000000012:27
webchat70    c_cflag = 0x000018b212:27
webchat70    c_lflag = 0x0000000012:27
webchat70https://pastebin.com/F0uhUfdV12:30
Habbiei assume that's roughly the same as stty does?12:31
Habbieanyway, yes, it looks the same to me, based on what i know - something around 16550 IRQs and sleep/wake12:31
Habbiei'm wondering if i have any 16550 to test with12:31
webchat70That's the output of reasing I/O for 16550. Nothing out of the ordinary I think; in particular LSR (Line Status Register) has no error flags set.12:34
Habbiei wonder if you can disable/enable interrupts that way12:35
Habbiei also wonder if the 16550 driver is a module or not - in which case you can unload/reload it12:36
Habbiebrb12:36
webchat70Maybe this one? https://www.kernelconfig.io/config_serial_8250 "8250/16550 and compatible serial support modulename: 8250.ko"12:38
Habbielikely, but ubuntu may have built it into the kernel12:40
webchat70I tried messing with a C program that directly writes to 16550 I/O memory, but with now avail. Only thing that fixes is to reboot :-(12:46
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BluesKajHi all13:13
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francy_Hello15:08
elias_aFrom where does snap-device-helper get its settings from? For some reason it seems to think my usb automotive control board is a printer.16:15
elias_aI did a fresh install on USB stick and no problem in it.16:16
elias_aWhat is there to check around snap-device-helper after installing 23.10 and keeping /home partition during install?16:17
elias_aIs there a way to "reset" snap-device-helper and perhaps the whole snap system to factory settings?16:19
Eickmeyerelias_a: As snap isn't an Ubuntu thing, you should ask on forums.snaprcraft.io16:26
Eickmeyerelias_a: Correction: forum.snapcraft.io16:27
ravisankarjhi, i am getting hash mismatch error, when i run apt-get update... i removed all the entries and ran clean, and then update again it throws same error16:33
ioriaravisankarj, what do you mean with : 'i removed all the entries' ?16:35
ravisankarj@ioria: i ran 'sudo rm -rfv /var/lib/apt/lists/*'16:36
ioriaok16:36
ioriaravisankarj, can you paste 'sudo apt update' output ?16:36
ravisankarj@ioria: https://termbin.com/gh9l16:40
ioriaravisankarj, sudo apt clean && sudo apt autoclean16:42
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ravisankarj@ioria: done16:43
elias_aEickmeyer: As snap is - as misfortunate it is -  packaged to Ubuntu, I think it is an "Ubuntu thing". :)16:43
ioriaravisankarj, sudo apt update16:43
Eickmeyerelias_a: Snaps are a Canonical thing, but not all Canonical things are Ubuntu things. Support for snaps is in forum.snapcraft.io16:43
ravisankarj@ioria: https://termbin.com/lhuf16:44
ravisankarjstill throws error16:44
ioriaravisankarj, switch mirror ?16:45
elias_aEickmeyer: Thank you. I feel more and more switching to Debian. This adminstrative bs bingo of Canonical is getting dangerous.16:45
ravisankarj@ioria: switch mirror means?16:46
ioriaravisankarj, change repositories16:46
Eickmeyerelias_a: snap is made for all of Linux, not just Ubuntu. Perhaps read up on it and stop spreading fud.16:46
Eickmeyer!fud | elias_a16:46
ubottuelias_a: Please do not fall prey to, or spread FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt) - it is not welcome here!  Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt16:46
ioriaravisankarj, you can do it the gui way from ' Software & Updates.'16:48
elias_aEickmeyer: This is not FUD. Canonical is in exactly same kind of situation as Nokia was in early 2000's.16:49
Eickmeyer!ot | elias_a16:49
ubottuelias_a: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks!16:49
ravisankarj@ioria: sorry, i don't know how to change repositories16:49
elias_aEickmeyer: Is there a list somewhere of programs bundled in Ubuntu distros that are "Ubuntu things"?16:50
ioriaravisankarj, open ' Software & Updates.'16:50
ravisankarj@ioria: yeah, opened it16:51
ioriaravisankarj, the first tab Ubuntu Software -> Download from :16:51
elias_aFinding support is really hard if one has to know the administrative and business structure in order to find the right place to get support.16:51
ioriaravisankarj, pick another Server16:52
Eickmeyerelias_a: If you want help with a particular snap, you need to seek help from that particular snap's developers. If you want help with a component of Ubuntu, this is an OK place.16:52
ravisankarj@ioria: ok i changed it to "main server" from "server in india"16:52
ioriaravisankarj, sudo apt update16:53
Eickmeyerelias_a: Unlike .deb packages, snap packages have no "middle man" because they're direct from the developer to the user.16:54
ravisankarj@ioria: still throws error16:55
ravisankarjhttps://termbin.com/rgf916:55
elias_aEickmeyer: This is not about "snap packages" meaning a snap. This is about snap-device-helper as I already wrote. AFAIK snap-device-helper is a program that somehow controls snaps or the like.16:56
ravisankarjactually i installed fuse to run arduino appimage file, after that i learned that i have to install fuse libfuse2, so i did apt-remove fuse16:57
elias_aEickmeyer: I would suppose that this kind of component bundled in Ubuntu would be documented in some way but I can't find anything.16:57
Eickmeyerelias_a: I'm unable to find that package in the Ubuntu archives, so it's certainly not supported here.16:57
ioriaravisankarj, is fuse still installed ?16:58
ravisankarj@ioria: how to check that?16:58
elias_aEickmeyer: Let me boot into a fresh installation and check whether it is bundled or not. I'm not sure about it.16:58
ioriaravisankarj, dpkg -l | grep fuse | nc termbin.com 999916:59
Eickmeyerelias_a: I was unable to install it via "apt install" or "snap install".16:59
ravisankarj@ioria: https://termbin.com/sldd16:59
ioriaravisankarj, nope.... you need to remove fuse and reinstall fuse317:00
ravisankarj@ioria: ok, how to do it?17:01
ioriaravisankarj, sudo apt purge fuse17:01
ioriabut not sure related with the update issue17:02
ravisankarjok, https://termbin.com/6jag17:02
ioriaravisankarj, sudo apt install --reinstall fuse317:02
ravisankarj@ioria: ok, done, here is the output https://termbin.com/njih17:04
elias_aEickmeyer: That probably is not the name of the package. Anyhow, snap-device-helper is present in a fresh install at /usr/lib/snapd17:04
Eickmeyerelias_a: Yeah, I doubt you'll find anyone in here that knows anything about it aside from ogra, but he might not be available today. I highly suggest forum.snapcraft.io as a resource. :)17:05
ioriaravisankarj, to run appimage you just need libfuse2 not fuse17:05
elias_aEickmeyer: Have you looked at forum.snapcraft.io? :)17:05
Eickmeyerelias_a: Not only looked at it, but participated in it to get the new installer working for Ubuntu Studio and will be doing the same for Edubuntu.17:06
ioriaravisankarj, and maybe gvfs-fuse is still missing17:07
ravisankarj@ioria: ok, so what should i do now?17:07
ioriaravisankarj, if apt update is still failing, might be a network issue17:08
ravisankarj@ioria: my internet connection is fine.. my speed test shows 120 mbps17:09
elias_aEickmeyer: "Reboot" a couple of days ago, thus no accumulated data... Is the old content somewhere?17:09
ioriaravisankarj, is apt update still failing ?17:09
ravisankarjyes17:09
Eickmeyerelias_a: Not sure what you mean?17:10
ioriaravisankarj, dpkg --print-foreign-architectures17:10
ravisankarji38617:10
ioriaravisankarj, i'd run apt with a debug option17:11
ravisankarj@ioria: actually when i tried to change repositories server, it throws the same error, in gui17:11
elias_aEickmeyer: If a "reboot" of a forum has occured few days back I understand it means there was a forum before. All the posts are dated after the "reboot". Was there a forum before the mentioned "reboot"?17:12
Eickmeyerelias_a: As far as I know, that was the only location. I don't have any information other than that.17:13
ravisankarj@ioria: how to run with debug option?17:15
ioriaravisankarj, e.g. sudo apt-get update -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes17:15
elias_aEickmeyer: Ok. Thanks. Do you know who and how I should notify about the forum page not being GDPR compliant? Privacy policy contains no contact information.17:15
ravisankarj@ioria: i did, and it still throws error17:16
ioriaravisankarj, can you restart te router ?17:17
Eickmeyerelias_a: I'm not sure, but Canonical owns it, and as they're Europe-based, they definitely need to be GDPR-compliant. The main snapcraft.io has a link at the bottom that goes to this: https://ubuntu.com/legal/data-privacy17:17
ravisankarj@ioria: let me restart17:17
ioriayou'll be disconnected17:17
Eickmeyerelias_a: That has contact information, so that means it's GDPR-compliant as only the snapcraft.io (the main domain) needs to have the privacy policy.17:17
elias_aEickmeyer: The contact information of DPO if exists has to be available in the privacy policy of the service in question. Also the privacy policy you linked has shortcomings. I'll talk to Canonical DPO. Thanks!17:28
lntlAt boot, systemd starts a systemd --user process for every user on the system. How do I configure systemd to not do this at boot, preferrably start this at first actual login?17:32
ioriaravisankarj, an apt.conf set or are you behind a proxy ?17:35
ravisankarj@ioria: how to check that?, after restarting the router, i tried to change the repository once again, this time i chose ubunut-ports.mirror, this time the repository has changed, didn't throw any error, but the output of apt-get update is17:38
ravisankarjhttps://termbin.com/lika17:38
ioriaravisankarj, sudo apt-get -o Debug::pkgAcquire::Auth=true update17:39
ravisankarj@ioria: ok, i did, it shows lot of logs, the final log is "E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead."17:43
lntlIs this a silly question?17:44
ioriaravisankarj, sudo apt-get  -o Debug::Acquire::http=true -o Debug::pkgAcquire::Auth=true -o Debug::Hashs=true update | nc termbin.com 999917:47
ravisankarj@ioria: i think the problem is solved, i changed the repository to ftp.iitm.ac.in17:48
ioriaravisankarj, ok, good17:48
ravisankarj@ioria: https://termbin.com/ow5617:51
ioriaravisankarj, ok17:52
ravisankarj@ioria: so it is resolved isn't it? thank you for your help.. :-)17:53
ioriaravisankarj, no problem17:53
Yakovis it possible to drag my app from .locals to favorites panel with terminal command?18:48
leftyfbYakov: we went over this yesterday18:49
Yakovyes, I remember :)18:49
Yakovwant to use terminal instead of mouse move18:49
leftyfbterminal != "drag"18:50
Yakovindeed18:50
vida?18:52
Guest43Hello19:01
Guest43I installed npm and it's at version 8.5.1. I think the current versin is 20 something19:01
Guest43how do you install packages in Ubuntu?19:01
Guest43Is there a wiki or some documentation?19:01
leftyfb!latest | Guest4319:03
ubottuGuest43: Packages in Ubuntu may not be the latest. Ubuntu aims for stability, so "latest" may not be a good idea. Post-release updates are only considered if they are fixes for security vulnerabilities, high impact bug fixes, or unintrusive bug fixes with substantial benefit. See also !backports, !sru, and !ppa.19:03
Guest43node JS is at version 2019:03
Guest438.5.1 vs 20... is not latest19:04
leftyfbGuest43: is something not working for you with the version of npm available in Ubuntu 20.04?19:04
Guest43yes. nothing19:04
leftyfbGuest43: nothing is working? Can you be more specific?19:04
ioriaGuest43 you can have 20 via snap19:07
ioriaGuest43 nope sy, that was node19:08
Habbiei think npm can install a newer version of itself in your home directory19:09
Habbiebut i do not have a guide for you19:09
ioriaGuest43 i think you can use thne snap ver of node and connect plugin : https://snapcraft.io/docs/npm-plugin19:10
leftyfbthey left19:11
ioriaoh19:11
Habbiethey pinged out, in fact, so some messages before their Quit also won't have made it19:11
leftyfband had yet to explain an actual problem19:11
ioriaYakov, if you want a cli cmd, you can use gsettings set org.gnome.shell favorite-apps "[' .desktop',...]"19:16
lntlAt boot, systemd starts a systemd --user process for every user on the system. How do I configure systemd to not do this at boot, preferrably start this at first actual login?19:25
Yakovgonna solve my case with dconf read /org/gnome/shell/favorite-apps19:43
booqoohqHello and bright day to you all!20:21
ograelias_a, not sure what you mean by "reboot", the forum is 7y old, the only thing that has changed over time every now and then is the CSS ... if you click the "about" link at the top of the forum site you find a link at the bottom of that page to https://ubuntu.com/legal/data-privacy which has been written by the canonical legal team ...21:09
ograelias_a, snapd-devce-helper is only run inside snap environments and does surely never run outside of any snaps, it has no settings and manages device access of snap interfaces from inside the snap env ... it usually does not run outside at all unless you'D manually invoke it somehow21:13
elias_aogra: Thanks! 1) Canonical legal team apparently is not doing decent work and 2) especially thanks to explaining the snap environment. My problem is that I have not a slightest clue why snap-device-helper shows in syslog trying to mount my automotive USB device as a printer. :D21:31
elias_aogra: Check the cookies and trackers at https://forum.snapcraft.io/ GA and other stuff downloaded without consent. Sad.21:33
elias_aogra: The expression "reboot" comes from the pinned post on forum: "Dear members of the snap community, Today, we’d like to announce a “reboot” of the Snapcrafters community. "21:36
elias_aogra: Oh - my bad! I misread the date of the post!21:37
elias_aogra: I'd love to understand the snaps in terms of system architecture. What should I read?21:39
Eickmeyerelias_a: I think just about everything is here: https://snapcraft.io/docs/snapcraft-reference21:42
elias_aEickmeyer: Given the quality of your answers earlier tonight, I doubt it.21:45
Eickmeyerelias_a: Don't be rude.21:45
Eickmeyer!coc | elias_a21:45
ubottuelias_a: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct is the document that spells out etiquette in the Ubuntu community | http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/conduct | For information on how to electronically sign the CoC, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigningCodeofConduct | Watch http://static.screencasts.ubuntu.com/videos/2010/12/22/004-SigningCoC.ogv21:45
elias_aEickmeyer: I am not being rude. You have been astray.21:46
elias_aEickmeyer: Do you wish that I clarify?21:46
Eickmeyerelias_a: I have not. You don't need to be argumentative now. I gave you the reference manual as the only source I know. Now, I also gave you the support forum for snaps. That's the place for snap support. Kindly go away if you can't be nice.21:47
elias_aEickmeyer: Given the face value of your answers I am full of doubts....21:48
Eickmeyer!ops | CoC violations  - disrespect by elias_a21:48
ubottuCoC violations  - disrespect by elias_a: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - CarlFK, DJones, el, Flannel, genii, hggdh, ikonia, krytarik, mneptok, mwsb, nhandler, ogra, Pici, popey, sarnold, tomreyn, Unit193, wgrant21:48
elias_aOh - and the whining begins again...21:49
Eickmeyerelias_a: The CoC explicitly says be respectful, which you are not.21:49
elias_aI guess this is a "Ubuntu thing" nowadays.21:49
elias_aEickmeyer: Saying that something is of low quality when it has just been proven is not disrespectful.21:50
gordonjcpelias_a: if you don't like it, you're welcome to use something else.21:50
Eickmeyerelias_a: That's not relevant here. Kindly leave if you can't be respectful to everyone.21:50
elias_agordonjcp: Let's see. I'll first have to find whether it is fit for purpose.21:51
elias_aEickmeyer: Look. This is a support channel. If you say snap-device-helper is not in Ubuntu based on there is not a package by that name, that surely raises my eyebrow.21:53
Eickmeyerelias_a: It's a component of a snap. Snaps are not Ubuntu-exclusive.21:53
elias_aEickmeyer: I told you and tell you again: if it is bundled in a stock Ubuntu (apparently because there are snaps already in a fresh install) it is a thing in Ubuntu. I do not know how close this is to your concept "Ubuntu thing".21:55
EickmeyerKeep going. Insult me some more.21:57
elias_aEickmeyer: I am not trying to insult you. We clearly have severe communication problems but that is quite common.21:58
Eickmeyerelias_a: We have a defined line of what is supported in this channel and what is not. Snaps themselves are not supported here, even if they come pre-installed (see Firefox, it's published directly by Mozilla).22:00
arraybolt3elias_a: Coming into a support channel and yelling about GDPR violations that probably don't exist (and if they do are almost certainly not intentional), constantly bashing Snap, telling multiple volunteers (including an Ubuntu Developer) that they don't know what they're talking about, and doing it all in a disrespectful and channel-derailing way22:00
arraybolt3is not acceptable. I'm going to join the people asking you to go somewhere else.22:00
elias_aThe reason why I am frustrated: I was around already when Linux Standards Base was launched. IMHO the goal was good. Things have become more complicated.22:00
Eickmeyerelias_a: That's off-topic here.22:01
elias_aarraybolt3: Ok. Before I go I tell you what is wrong with the forum page...22:01
Eickmeyerelias_a: That's off-topic here22:01
elias_aEickmeyer: Oh, come on... you just want to get rid of me. I'll leave soon - that's a promise.22:02
Eickmeyerelias_a: That's off-topic here22:02
Eickmeyerelias_a: Whatever you're writing about the forum page, save it for Canonical Legal. It's off-topic here.22:05
elias_aarraybolt3: Check what trackers the page https://forum.snapcraft.io/ loads. All non necessary like GA and so on need consent as per GDPR and ePrivacy Directive. Here's just one analysis without details. https://www.cookiebot.com/en/compliance-test/1e96c5e9-8e03-41f3-8ee3-b29c3be72e0b/#website_scan_results22:06
Eickmeyerelias_a: That's off-topic here22:06
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elias_aEickmeyer: Canonical not being law compliant is not on topic here? :)22:06
Eickmeyerelias_a: Absolutely. Ubuntu, while owned by Canonical, is not Canonical. If you want support from Canonical, you have to pay for it.22:07
Eickmeyerelias_a: This is exclusifely community support here, hence your rant is off-topic.22:08
elias_aEickmeyer: I believe Ubuntu is still a trademark owned by Canonical, isn't it?22:08
Eickmeyer!ops | elias_a consistently off-topic and refuses to stay on-topic22:08
ubottuelias_a consistently off-topic and refuses to stay on-topic: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - CarlFK, DJones, el, Flannel, genii, hggdh, ikonia, krytarik, mneptok, mwsb, nhandler, ogra, Pici, popey, sarnold, tomreyn, Unit193, wgrant22:08
Eickmeyerelias_a: irrelevant22:08
elias_aI am through with this. Cannot stand uncivilized, uneducated, narrow-minded people. Take care of yourselves!22:09
arraybolt3And if an op could come along and set a +b flag on him now, that would be much appreciated.22:09
EickmeyerAnd the disrespect to everyone in the channel again, a CoC violation.22:09
arraybolt3Eickmeyer: he left (finally)22:09
Eickmeyerarraybolt3: Yeah, I know, but with the repeated CoC violations of disrespect, which is the cornerstone of the CoC, that should be a permaban.22:10
arraybolt3Slightly worried that two !ops triggers and me going directly into the ubuntu-ops channel to ask for help didn't seem to call anyone.22:10
cahootshi, i'm trying to install drivers for my nvidia 3070 ti gpu. i downloaded drivers from the nvidia site and installed them manually (in order to install them, i booted to console, shut down the display process, and then installed them). then, i restarted the computer. now when it boots it tells me, "Failed to start process" during bootup and stops. what should i do?22:45
WaVcahoots: Nvidia added support for the 3070 ti in version 470 of their display driver. No need to manually install. If you enable propietary drivers in software and updates (assuming you get back into a desktop environment) you can just "sudo apt install nvidia-driver-470"22:59
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cahootsWaV, so i tried uninstalling the manually installed one and let ubuntu choose one to install. it looks like it picked nvidia-driver-535, but now when i boot up, i just get a black screen23:19
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