[00:27] <piethesailor> Hello all! I could use a pointer on a really simple question
[00:28] <piethesailor> I have downloaded a program through pip that should run as a command line program. hy
[00:28] <piethesailor> however, after installing, I run hy at the terminal and I get that it is not found
[00:30] <piethesailor> I understand that pip installs things not on $PATH, but I feel like I have tried all combinations of export /paths/:$PATH to no avail
[00:30] <rbox> were you putting random directories in there, or the directory tghe  command is in?
[00:31] <rbox> did you try opening a new shell?
[00:31] <rbox> it should be in ~/.local/bin and that'll only get added to your path if it exists when the shell was opened
[00:31] <rbox> and/or you logged in
[00:31] <rbox> depednign on your shell settings
[00:32] <piethesailor> python3 -m pip show hy returns
[00:32] <piethesailor> Location: /home/wpg/.local/lib/python3.10/site-packages
[00:32] <rbox> thats not the location of the commands
[00:33] <piethesailor> How would I find where the location of the commands with pip are stored?
[00:33] <enigma9o7> without reading what rbox said?
[00:33] <enigma9o7> you could use 'find'
[00:33] <enigma9o7> find . -name filename
[00:34] <piethesailor> ...I swore I looked in .local/bin and it wasnt showing... sure is now though
[00:36] <enigma9o7> there is some logic, i think .profile, that checks if ~/bin exists and if it does, adds it to your path.  maybe the same thing applies for ~/.local/bin.  but gotta relogin to get .profile to run again.
[00:36] <piethesailor> So I may be to ignorant to understand what to do next then..
[00:36] <piethesailor> add export PATH="/home/user/.local/bin:$PATH" ?
[00:37] <piethesailor> to .bashrc
[00:37] <enigma9o7> well, logout/login (or reboot) and see if .local/bin is in your path, if not add somethiing liek that to .bashrc works yeah
[00:37] <piethesailor> okay. I see my problem now
[00:37] <enigma9o7> I don't think 'export' is necessary?  and its $USER
[00:38] <piethesailor> I use emacs, and eshell doesnt recognize hy
[00:38] <piethesailor> but if i run bash in eshell and try hy it works
[00:38] <piethesailor> so its an emacs env issue is suppose
[02:27] <jscript_> welp now we get   Can't load 'build-dir': Failed to open file ?/home/ubuntu/build-dir?: No such file or directory
[02:28] <jscript_> flatpak run org.flatpak.Builder flatpak-builder build-dir ${{ matrix.flatpak_id }}.yml
[02:28] <jscript_> does build-dir  need to exist prior to invoking flatpak builder
[02:29] <jscript_> as i assume flatpak-builder would have automattically created it if it did not exist
[02:36] <mazza> hey guys hows it going
[02:37] <mazza> is anyone awake
[02:43] <phantom_> hi
[02:51] <phantom_> o
[02:51] <arraybolt3> phantom_: Heya! This is the official Ubuntu chat support channel. Is there anything we can help you with?
[02:52] <phantom_> well xubuntu keeps doing the startup aniation even tho i deleted XFCE
[02:52] <phantom_> animation*
[02:53] <arraybolt3> You uninstalled XFCE from Xubuntu? Are you hoping to have some different startup animation or are you trying to remove the animation entirely?
[02:54] <phantom_> no i am using ubuntu desktop right now and my version is 22.04
[02:54] <phantom_> and need to go back to the main startup animation
[02:54] <phantom_> like the ubuntu startup
[02:55] <arraybolt3> Ah. I'd try removing plymouth-theme-xubuntu-logo and plymouth-theme-xubuntu-text packages.
[02:55] <arraybolt3> And make sure plymouth-theme-ubuntu-logo is installed.
[02:55] <phantom_> ok
[02:59] <phantom_> i hope the bootloader works after i uninstalled plymouth-theme-xubuntu-logo and plymouth-theme-xubuntu-text
[03:06] <jscript_> welp imma just accept flatpack requires --privileged in docker :/
[03:07] <ecapi> !discuss | jscript_
[04:36] <chito> How in the (etc) do I remove snap firefox so I can just install it with apt? I purged that baby with snap and apt still says it's installed via snap
[04:37] <chito> who's idea was it to default snap install it
[04:37] <chito> I would like to speak to the president of canonical himself about this snap business.
[04:38] <rbox> if you're unhappy with ubuntu, you can use a different dist
[04:38] <rbox> how does apt "say" its installed via snap
[04:38] <chito> "firefox is already the newest version (1:1snap1-0ubuntu3)"
[04:39] <rbox> that says the firefox package in apt with that version is installed
[04:39] <chito> rbox: I love it OK I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. Are you the president?
[04:39] <chito> Ah shucks, apt installs snap version???
[04:39] <rbox> yes
[04:40] <chito> ludicrous !
[04:40] <chito> Mr. Canonical has lost it
[04:41] <rbox> go troll somewhere else
[04:41] <chito> >troll
[04:42] <chito> whatever man
[04:42] <chito> I just think it's stupid to have two package managers by default, and insane to have one utilize the other one for no reason
[07:40] <P1ro> Hi, this is more like a general question, can someone recommend me a p2p chat-video app like whatsapp-signal-zoom but where i can have my server and control clients? i was trying to setup wire, but when compiled i eneded with some cardano network error, i was checking keet.io but they dont have code or option for server, thanks.
[07:45] <ecapi> !discuss | P1ro
[07:46] <P1ro> thanks ecapi
[07:46] <guestavo_hombre> Hi, in here. I am trying to reinstall grob to my usb drive... and no matter what I do... it won't boot. BUT it boots, when I go into efi and choose "boot via efi". Where Can i start troubleshooting this  problem ?
[07:50] <guestavo_hombre> btw i logged my grub-install into 2>&1 | tee "filename" if anyone is interested.
[08:17] <guestavo_hombre> i issue apt-get install grub and it tells me, it will replace grub efi with grub-legacy  - why is that ?
[08:25] <EriC^^> guestavo_hombre: grub is the old package, grub-pc is the newer grub v2
[08:26] <EriC^^> guestavo_hombre: if you have grub efi, you want to install grub-efi-amd64... packages, what are you trying to do?
[08:29] <guestavo_hombre> i want to grub-install on my thumbdrive
[08:31] <guestavo_hombre> and it does not work , sda1 is boot on /boot, sda2 is efi on /boot/efi. I issue grub-install -v --removable /dev/sda 2>&1 | tee grubinstall.log
[08:31] <guestavo_hombre> And it does not find the boot, in bios prompt. HOWEVER. I can select "Boot from efi" and this twerks like a charm. So dev/sda1 is somehow not written properly... badblocks on both return 0 badblocks.
[08:37] <EriC^^> guestavo_hombre: can you pastebin
[08:37] <guestavo_hombre> that logfile ?
[08:37] <EriC^^> nah, mount /dev/sda2 and pastebin 'ls -lR /mountpoint'
[08:39] <EriC^^> guestavo_hombre: did you try the run-time boot menu in the pc?
[08:39] <EriC^^> and choose the usb from there
[08:40] <EriC^^> guestavo_hombre: also can you share the "sudo parted -ls" output of the usb?
[08:40] <guestavo_hombre> run-time boot menu ?
[08:40] <pagios> hi umask 0000 should not touch anythin, so which do i end up with rw-rw-rw  and not rwx-rwx-rwx
[08:40] <guestavo_hombre> You mean grub-bootmenu ?
[08:41] <EriC^^> yeah, usually there's a button that brings up a menu to choose a booting device after the pc powers up
[08:41] <EriC^^> which laptop make is it? or desktop pc motherboard or make?
[08:41] <EriC^^> hp?
[08:42] <guestavo_hombre> yeah, hp and i can only boot this thumbdrive from efi-file
[08:42] <guestavo_hombre> bios is hybrid
[08:42] <EriC^^> are you pressing f9 to get the boot from efi thing?
[08:42] <guestavo_hombre> esc -> choose
[08:42] <EriC^^> aha
[08:42] <EriC^^> try f9, that's the run-time boot menu for hp
[08:43] <EriC^^> but first please share those pastes just to see everything is in order
[08:43] <guestavo_hombre> wgetpaste right ?
[08:43] <EriC^^> you could do "(sudo parted -ls; ls -lR /mountpoint) | nc termbin.com 9999"
[08:47] <guestavo_hombre> my wgetpaste fails, nothing recieved. use debug or verbose
[08:49] <guestavo_hombre> no it works
[08:49] <EriC^^> what about the | nc termbin.. one?
[08:50] <guestavo_hombre> never did that, what is termbin? Executable ?
[08:50] <EriC^^> no it's a website for pasting stuff
[08:50] <EriC^^> sends the paste via netcat
[08:51] <guestavo_hombre> strange, using -v on wgetpaste shows the url, and my stuff is there. BUT wgetpaste does not prompt the created url.
[08:51] <guestavo_hombre> let me try the other oneö
[08:52] <guestavo_hombre> termibin.com/i2gv
[08:53] <guestavo_hombre> -i
[08:54] <EriC^^> is that ls -l or ls -lR ?
[08:55] <guestavo_hombre> damn forgot paranthesis
[08:55] <EriC^^> no worries, run again make sure it's -lR to see all the dirs
[08:56] <guestavo_hombre> it is "I" and "R"
[08:56] <EriC^^> ah no it's a small L
[08:56] <guestavo_hombre> but both in a row are not pasted, only one
[08:56] <guestavo_hombre> with paranthesis: Parted only, without paranths , ls only
[08:58] <EriC^^> hmm try them separately i guess, ls -lR ... | nc termbin.com 9999
[09:02] <guestavo_hombre> now it twerked
[09:03] <guestavo_hombre> https://bpa.st/2SYQ
[09:07] <guestavo_hombre> EriC^^
[09:07] <guestavo_hombre> https://bpa.st/2SYQ
[09:07] <guestavo_hombre> in the meantime i reboot by F9
[09:08] <EriC^^> guestavo_hombre: parted output looks good
[09:08] <EriC^^> sure give it a go if you want
[09:08] <guestavo_hombre> F9 twerks, I see the same as if i entered this subemnu by ESC and then navigating to thr proper option
[09:09] <EriC^^> usb is there?
[09:09] <guestavo_hombre> 1) external USB drive
[09:09] <guestavo_hombre> 2) Boot from efi file ( always worked )
[09:09] <guestavo_hombre> 3) USB Hard drive 1 ( SanDisk UltraFIt )
[09:09] <EriC^^> aha
[09:09] <guestavo_hombre> i go for 1.
[09:10] <guestavo_hombre> and it worked ????
[09:10] <guestavo_hombre> wth ?
[09:10] <EriC^^> great
[09:10] <guestavo_hombre> somewhere I read, the grub timeout set to 0 shall solve this
[09:11] <guestavo_hombre> let me reboot without F9
[09:11] <guestavo_hombre> no, Boot device not found
[09:11] <guestavo_hombre> i will reboot with F9 - option 1. And edit the timeout
[09:11] <guestavo_hombre> just trying
[09:12] <EriC^^> try to put the usb at the top of the priority in the bios
[09:12] <guestavo_hombre> it is
[09:12] <EriC^^> is csm legacy mode disabled?
[09:12] <guestavo_hombre> csm hybrid is selected
[09:12] <EriC^^> remove csm legacy
[09:13] <EriC^^> csm is legacy mode, it's probably looking for legacy mbr right now
[09:14] <guestavo_hombre> i do have 3 options.
[09:14] <guestavo_hombre> 1) Legacy
[09:14] <guestavo_hombre> 2) UEFI hybrid ( with csm )
[09:14] <guestavo_hombre> 3) UEFI Native ( without csm )
[09:14] <guestavo_hombre> My gentoo disc runs finr with 2 or 3.
[09:14] <guestavo_hombre> I never choose 1
[09:16] <guestavo_hombre> still banned ?
[09:16] <EriC^^> no
[09:16] <EriC^^> hmm, maybe 3rd option works with usb as priority
[09:17] <EriC^^> 2 should work, but who knows maybe they didnt do it wlel
[09:17] <EriC^^> *well
[09:19] <guestavo_hombre> changed to 3
[09:19] <guestavo_hombre> no bootable image found, will be shut down
[09:19] <EriC^^> are there different usb options in the list?
[09:19] <EriC^^> usb uefi ?
[09:20] <guestavo_hombre> yeah, now generic usb dvice is first, and usb gard drive is second,  i will swap them
[09:21] <guestavo_hombre> i changed to 1 usb hard drive, 2 os boot manager and 3 generic usb device
[09:21] <guestavo_hombre> still no bootable image found
[09:22] <EriC^^> hmm, it's a long shot but is secureboot enabled or disabled?
[09:23] <guestavo_hombre> disabled
[09:26] <guestavo_hombre> now i placed customized boot on top, then os, then usb hard drive , then generic...
[09:26] <EriC^^> aha any luck?
[09:26] <guestavo_hombre> nope
[09:27] <guestavo_hombre> i witch back to hybrid now
[09:27] <EriC^^> guestavo_hombre: try to boot using the efi file again, then run "ls -lR /mountpoint" and paste it (note it's -lR small L not I
[09:27] <guestavo_hombre> +s+
[09:33] <stefan00> any idea of when we see a linux 6.6 kernel (pre-) release on ubuntu ;-) ?
[09:33] <guestavo_hombre> EriC^^ https://www.termbin.com/ko2a
[09:34] <guestavo_hombre> brb
[09:40] <EriC^^> guestavo_hombre: where is /dev/sda2 mounted right now?
[09:40] <EriC^^> try "df /dev/sda2"
[09:46] <guestavo_hombre> sda2 is on /boot/efi
[09:46] <guestavo_hombre> and it is only 1%  used
[09:46] <guestavo_hombre> i resized it recently
[09:49] <guestavo_hombre> and also., from uefi menu I can access those multiple efi files and boot them, ( no matter, which ) and they boot properly
[09:50] <guestavo_hombre> i forgot to change the timeout, wait, will try this now
[09:52] <guestavo_hombre> also in my grub menu are old kernels present, which i  already deleted.
[09:54] <guestavo_hombre> timeout changed, no success
[09:54] <EriC^^> guestavo_hombre: try doing "sudo mkdir -p /boot/efi/efi/microsoft/boot"
[09:55] <guestavo_hombre> why microsoft ? i do not have any microsofts on this laptop
[09:55] <EriC^^> then "sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/boot/bootx64.efi /boot/efi/efi/microsoft/boot/bootmgfw.efi"
[09:55] <EriC^^> guestavo_hombre: manufacturer implementation
[09:55] <guestavo_hombre> ok
[10:00] <EriC^^> try rebooting
[10:01] <guestavo_hombre> because EFI is a simple one, efi and EFI are duplicates. i stuck to EFI then created ms in this, in this then boot and there i placed that bootmgfw.efi. OK ?
[10:02] <guestavo_hombre> by simple, i mean, that simple fs, where case does not matter
[10:06] <guestavo_hombre> same result, BootDevice not found ( HARD DISK 3F0 )
[10:12] <EriC^^> guestavo_hombre: no it has to be in /boot/efi/efi/mic...
[10:12] <guestavo_hombre> small letters ? must be ?
[10:12] <EriC^^> oh
[10:13] <guestavo_hombre> ?
[10:13] <EriC^^> no the case doesnt matter, thought you meant you put it in /boot/efi
[10:13] <guestavo_hombre> no no, i placed it there, where You redommended
[10:13] <EriC^^> odd why it doesnt want to boot it automatically
[10:14] <EriC^^> i think it's looking for legacy BootDevice not found ( HARD DISK 3F0 ) sounds like it's not finding mbr bootcode
[10:14] <guestavo_hombre> during my grub-install i logged it and it sayd devicemap not found
[10:14] <guestavo_hombre> wanna inspect this ?
[10:14] <EriC^^> if you want you could just install also legacy mbr code
[10:14] <guestavo_hombre> also ?
[10:14] <guestavo_hombre> How this ?
[10:14] <EriC^^> anyways that's better, that way the usb would boot on any pc, uefi or legacy
[10:15] <guestavo_hombre> but then i need to switch that uefi option back to hybrid ?
[10:15] <guestavo_hombre> or even legacy ?
[10:15] <guestavo_hombre> then my ssd won't boot gentoo anymore
[10:15] <EriC^^> i think even right now its looking for legacy on the usb
[10:16] <EriC^^> guestavo_hombre: type 'sudo cgdisk /dev/sda'
[10:17] <guestavo_hombre> yeah, AND if i switch to native ( with CSM ) like now, i get that "no bootabe media found" inside the uefi menu, though f9 still works
[10:17] <guestavo_hombre> let my issue that, wait
[10:17] <EriC^^> you have like 2gb there that's unallocated between sda2 and sda3
[10:17] <guestavo_hombre> that's true.
[10:17] <EriC^^> create a 2MB partition there
[10:18] <guestavo_hombre> because prior to resize i needed to align it a bit
[10:19] <guestavo_hombre> ah, wait, i even do habe 1007 KB free space before sda1. Maybe this is bad ?
[10:19] <EriC^^> no that's fine
[10:19] <EriC^^> very normal
[10:19] <guestavo_hombre> ok. so now create that 2GB partition ?
[10:20] <EriC^^> 2MB not GB
[10:20] <guestavo_hombre> just for try and error.
[10:20] <guestavo_hombre> 2MB, ok, purpose is ?
[10:20] <EriC^^> tiny partition
[10:20] <EriC^^> to install grub legacy bootloader code to it
[10:22] <guestavo_hombre> how install legacy into it with that kind of grub i currently have ?
[10:23] <EriC^^> got dc did you get my msgs about it
[10:23] <EriC^^> to install grub legacy bootloader code to it, then MBR or uefi will boot, either mode,it's very standard, it's used for legacy booting when you have a gpt partition table
[10:24] <EriC^^> guestavo_hombre: did you create the partition?
[10:24] <EriC^^> when it asks for the type, put in the hexcode ef02
[10:25] <EriC^^> then write the table , quit, and run 'sudo partprobe /dev/sda'
[10:26] <guestavo_hombre> wait a sec...
[10:26] <guestavo_hombre> my boot ( sda1 ) is the first partition, BUT my bootflag and esp flag are set on /dev/sda2
[10:30] <EriC^^> yeah that's normal
[10:31] <EriC^^> esp is the efi partition
[10:39] <guestavo_hombre> i do have fastboot set up in uefi. Kick that out ?
[10:41] <guestavo_hombre> that's it
[10:41] <guestavo_hombre> f.ing fastboot
[10:41] <guestavo_hombre> i kicked it out, now it twerks
[10:45] <Peer^_> Hello everyone. Can someone tell me if there is a command that shows when the last apt upgrade was performed?
[10:46] <gry> Peer^_: that is logged in /var/log/apt/history.log
[10:47] <Peer^_> thank you, gry. I know, but I would like a solution independent of the log files
[10:54] <gry> hm
[10:55] <guestavo_hombre> EriC^^ THX a lot for Your time.
[10:55] <guestavo_hombre> fastboot
[10:55] <guestavo_hombre> that was the pita
[10:56] <yuta> https://releases.ubuntu.com/23.10.1/ubuntu-23.10.1-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[10:56] <yuta> no peers
[10:56] <yuta> no datas
[10:56] <yuta> from here
[10:56] <yuta> https://ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
[11:08] <Peer^_> gry: looks like there really isn't anything there
[11:32] <escola> oi
[11:40] <webchat70> Hi
[11:41] <webchat70> I am having problem with an issue where I thinks it's a linux bug, and would greatly appreciate some help in how and where to report.
[11:48] <yuta> I got more peers , excuse me.
[11:49] <Habbie> webchat70, start by telling us about the problem
[11:51] <webchat70> I am working with a x86_64 PC / laptop. Connected to the RS232 / serial port is a bare metal UART receiver.
[11:52] <webchat70> The bare metal board sends data to that serial port /dev/ttyS0, and everything is working fine and dandy at different baud rates and different flow controls...
[11:53] <webchat70> ...except when the PC was in a power down / sleep (closing the lid), where UART data is lost. Only chunks of approx 14 bytes are received every ~ 1 second or such. I can fix it by re-booting the PC, but when I put the PC in sleep, after awake the issue returns.
[11:54] <Habbie> the FIFO on the UART chip in the PC is 16 bytes
[11:54] <webchat70> It seems like the receiver hardware is missing interrupts from the UART chip.
[11:54] <Habbie> so i wonder if this is an interrupt problem
[11:54] <Habbie> anything interesting in dmesg?
[11:55] <Habbie> the 16550 series UARTs incorporated a 16-byte FIFO buffer with a programmable interrupt trigger of 1, 4, 8, or 14 bytes.
[11:55] <Habbie> ok, there's your 14
[11:56] <Habbie> monitoring the right line of /proc/interrupts before and after sleep might be interesting
[11:58] <webchat70> in dmesg there is nothin I can relate to UART, I am absolutly noob though.
[11:58] <Habbie> want to pastebin it?
[12:02] <webchat70> Trying to fing out how to pastebin...
[12:03] <webchat70> https://pastebin.com/sXM8yKm6
[12:03] <Habbie> this is after wakeup?
[12:04] <Habbie> oh several sleeps
[12:04] <Habbie> a few lines mention 'serial'
[12:04] <webchat70> Yes, only after wakeup, and consistently.
[12:04] <Habbie> but nothing interesting about serial
[12:05] <webchat70> cat /proc/interrupts (after wakeup) whows an entry for IRQ 4:  "4:          0      23155   IO-APIC   4-edge      ttyS0"
[12:05] <masber> hi, I am using ubuntu 23.10, is it possible to configure it so specific applications always open in a specific workspace? for instance, I want Firefox to always open in Workspace 1 and the terminal to always open in Workspace 2
[12:05] <masber> I am using gnome + wayland
[12:06] <masber> default installation
[12:06] <Habbie> webchat70, what that 23155 does over time is what might be interseting
[12:06] <Habbie> *interesting
[12:06] <Habbie> webchat70, it's a simple counter
[12:07] <webchat70> That "23155" is in the column for "CPU1" (PC has 2 cores).
[12:07] <Habbie> yes - and i'm wondering, does that number grow fast when it works, and grow slowly when it's broken?
[12:08] <webchat70> That counter is not 23295 (UART device is sending each second > 14 chars).
[12:08] <webchat70> That counter is NOWt 23295 (UART device is sending each second > 14 chars).
[12:10] <webchat70> To see what it does when working, I'd have to reboot my PC.
[12:10] <Habbie> i have another question
[12:11] <Habbie> the software that reads from serial, do you restart it after sleep?
[12:12] <swensson> Greetings, got Ubuntu 23.10 installed, unable to get my website SSL certed... Any good tutorials on this?.... The one I followed on Digitalocean seems to not have worked for me...
[12:12] <webchat70> I am using minicom (also tries some other terminal program). Restartin minicom does not help.
[12:12] <Habbie> ok
[12:12] <Habbie> i like tio, but that's besides the point right now i think
[12:12] <swensson> Nvm, I'm retarded
[12:13] <webchat70> Also when I am just sending 5 chars / second, and no chars are lost, the couner in /perc/interrupts still increases by 1 each second (again after awake).
[12:21] <webchat70> I stopped minicom, install tio and am now running tio: Same loss after 14 chars (still after awake).
[12:24] <webchat70> To me it looks like a bug in 16550 handling after awake and no IRQs are raised or handled. I am on: x64_64, Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS, Kernel Linux 5.11.0-27-generic.
[12:27] <webchat70> I also wrote a small program to read out the I/O memory associated to UART. It prints:
[12:27] <webchat70> gcc open-tty.c -o open-tty.x -save-temps -g3 -Os && sudo ./open-tty.x
[12:27] <webchat70> opened /dev/ttyS0
[12:27] <webchat70>     c_iflag = 0x00000000
[12:27] <webchat70>     c_oflag = 0x00000000
[12:27] <webchat70>     c_cflag = 0x000018b2
[12:27] <webchat70>     c_lflag = 0x00000000
[12:30] <webchat70> https://pastebin.com/F0uhUfdV
[12:31] <Habbie> i assume that's roughly the same as stty does?
[12:31] <Habbie> anyway, yes, it looks the same to me, based on what i know - something around 16550 IRQs and sleep/wake
[12:31] <Habbie> i'm wondering if i have any 16550 to test with
[12:34] <webchat70> That's the output of reasing I/O for 16550. Nothing out of the ordinary I think; in particular LSR (Line Status Register) has no error flags set.
[12:35] <Habbie> i wonder if you can disable/enable interrupts that way
[12:36] <Habbie> i also wonder if the 16550 driver is a module or not - in which case you can unload/reload it
[12:36] <Habbie> brb
[12:38] <webchat70> Maybe this one? https://www.kernelconfig.io/config_serial_8250 "8250/16550 and compatible serial support modulename: 8250.ko"
[12:40] <Habbie> likely, but ubuntu may have built it into the kernel
[12:46] <webchat70> I tried messing with a C program that directly writes to 16550 I/O memory, but with now avail. Only thing that fixes is to reboot :-(
[13:13] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:08] <francy_> Hello
[16:15] <elias_a> From where does snap-device-helper get its settings from? For some reason it seems to think my usb automotive control board is a printer.
[16:16] <elias_a> I did a fresh install on USB stick and no problem in it.
[16:17] <elias_a> What is there to check around snap-device-helper after installing 23.10 and keeping /home partition during install?
[16:19] <elias_a> Is there a way to "reset" snap-device-helper and perhaps the whole snap system to factory settings?
[16:26] <Eickmeyer> elias_a: As snap isn't an Ubuntu thing, you should ask on forums.snaprcraft.io
[16:27] <Eickmeyer> elias_a: Correction: forum.snapcraft.io
[16:33] <ravisankarj> hi, i am getting hash mismatch error, when i run apt-get update... i removed all the entries and ran clean, and then update again it throws same error
[16:35] <ioria> ravisankarj, what do you mean with : 'i removed all the entries' ?
[16:36] <ravisankarj> @ioria: i ran 'sudo rm -rfv /var/lib/apt/lists/*'
[16:36] <ioria> ok
[16:36] <ioria> ravisankarj, can you paste 'sudo apt update' output ?
[16:40] <ravisankarj> @ioria: https://termbin.com/gh9l
[16:42] <ioria> ravisankarj, sudo apt clean && sudo apt autoclean
[16:43] <ravisankarj> @ioria: done
[16:43] <elias_a> Eickmeyer: As snap is - as misfortunate it is -  packaged to Ubuntu, I think it is an "Ubuntu thing". :)
[16:43] <ioria> ravisankarj, sudo apt update
[16:43] <Eickmeyer> elias_a: Snaps are a Canonical thing, but not all Canonical things are Ubuntu things. Support for snaps is in forum.snapcraft.io
[16:44] <ravisankarj> @ioria: https://termbin.com/lhuf
[16:44] <ravisankarj> still throws error
[16:45] <ioria> ravisankarj, switch mirror ?
[16:45] <elias_a> Eickmeyer: Thank you. I feel more and more switching to Debian. This adminstrative bs bingo of Canonical is getting dangerous.
[16:46] <ravisankarj> @ioria: switch mirror means?
[16:46] <ioria> ravisankarj, change repositories
[16:46] <Eickmeyer> elias_a: snap is made for all of Linux, not just Ubuntu. Perhaps read up on it and stop spreading fud.
[16:46] <Eickmeyer> !fud | elias_a
[16:48] <ioria> ravisankarj, you can do it the gui way from ' Software & Updates.'
[16:49] <elias_a> Eickmeyer: This is not FUD. Canonical is in exactly same kind of situation as Nokia was in early 2000's.
[16:49] <Eickmeyer> !ot | elias_a
[16:49] <ravisankarj> @ioria: sorry, i don't know how to change repositories
[16:50] <elias_a> Eickmeyer: Is there a list somewhere of programs bundled in Ubuntu distros that are "Ubuntu things"?
[16:50] <ioria> ravisankarj, open ' Software & Updates.'
[16:51] <ravisankarj> @ioria: yeah, opened it
[16:51] <ioria> ravisankarj, the first tab Ubuntu Software -> Download from :
[16:51] <elias_a> Finding support is really hard if one has to know the administrative and business structure in order to find the right place to get support.
[16:52] <ioria> ravisankarj, pick another Server
[16:52] <Eickmeyer> elias_a: If you want help with a particular snap, you need to seek help from that particular snap's developers. If you want help with a component of Ubuntu, this is an OK place.
[16:52] <ravisankarj> @ioria: ok i changed it to "main server" from "server in india"
[16:53] <ioria> ravisankarj, sudo apt update
[16:54] <Eickmeyer> elias_a: Unlike .deb packages, snap packages have no "middle man" because they're direct from the developer to the user.
[16:55] <ravisankarj> @ioria: still throws error
[16:55] <ravisankarj> https://termbin.com/rgf9
[16:56] <elias_a> Eickmeyer: This is not about "snap packages" meaning a snap. This is about snap-device-helper as I already wrote. AFAIK snap-device-helper is a program that somehow controls snaps or the like.
[16:57] <ravisankarj> actually i installed fuse to run arduino appimage file, after that i learned that i have to install fuse libfuse2, so i did apt-remove fuse
[16:57] <elias_a> Eickmeyer: I would suppose that this kind of component bundled in Ubuntu would be documented in some way but I can't find anything.
[16:57] <Eickmeyer> elias_a: I'm unable to find that package in the Ubuntu archives, so it's certainly not supported here.
[16:58] <ioria> ravisankarj, is fuse still installed ?
[16:58] <ravisankarj> @ioria: how to check that?
[16:58] <elias_a> Eickmeyer: Let me boot into a fresh installation and check whether it is bundled or not. I'm not sure about it.
[16:59] <ioria> ravisankarj, dpkg -l | grep fuse | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:59] <Eickmeyer> elias_a: I was unable to install it via "apt install" or "snap install".
[16:59] <ravisankarj> @ioria: https://termbin.com/sldd
[17:00] <ioria> ravisankarj, nope.... you need to remove fuse and reinstall fuse3
[17:01] <ravisankarj> @ioria: ok, how to do it?
[17:01] <ioria> ravisankarj, sudo apt purge fuse
[17:02] <ioria> but not sure related with the update issue
[17:02] <ravisankarj> ok, https://termbin.com/6jag
[17:02] <ioria> ravisankarj, sudo apt install --reinstall fuse3
[17:04] <ravisankarj> @ioria: ok, done, here is the output https://termbin.com/njih
[17:04] <elias_a> Eickmeyer: That probably is not the name of the package. Anyhow, snap-device-helper is present in a fresh install at /usr/lib/snapd
[17:05] <Eickmeyer> elias_a: Yeah, I doubt you'll find anyone in here that knows anything about it aside from ogra, but he might not be available today. I highly suggest forum.snapcraft.io as a resource. :)
[17:05] <ioria> ravisankarj, to run appimage you just need libfuse2 not fuse
[17:05] <elias_a> Eickmeyer: Have you looked at forum.snapcraft.io? :)
[17:06] <Eickmeyer> elias_a: Not only looked at it, but participated in it to get the new installer working for Ubuntu Studio and will be doing the same for Edubuntu.
[17:07] <ioria> ravisankarj, and maybe gvfs-fuse is still missing
[17:07] <ravisankarj> @ioria: ok, so what should i do now?
[17:08] <ioria> ravisankarj, if apt update is still failing, might be a network issue
[17:09] <ravisankarj> @ioria: my internet connection is fine.. my speed test shows 120 mbps
[17:09] <elias_a> Eickmeyer: "Reboot" a couple of days ago, thus no accumulated data... Is the old content somewhere?
[17:09] <ioria> ravisankarj, is apt update still failing ?
[17:09] <ravisankarj> yes
[17:10] <Eickmeyer> elias_a: Not sure what you mean?
[17:10] <ioria> ravisankarj, dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
[17:10] <ravisankarj> i386
[17:11] <ioria> ravisankarj, i'd run apt with a debug option
[17:11] <ravisankarj> @ioria: actually when i tried to change repositories server, it throws the same error, in gui
[17:12] <elias_a> Eickmeyer: If a "reboot" of a forum has occured few days back I understand it means there was a forum before. All the posts are dated after the "reboot". Was there a forum before the mentioned "reboot"?
[17:13] <Eickmeyer> elias_a: As far as I know, that was the only location. I don't have any information other than that.
[17:15] <ravisankarj> @ioria: how to run with debug option?
[17:15] <ioria> ravisankarj, e.g. sudo apt-get update -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes
[17:15] <elias_a> Eickmeyer: Ok. Thanks. Do you know who and how I should notify about the forum page not being GDPR compliant? Privacy policy contains no contact information.
[17:16] <ravisankarj> @ioria: i did, and it still throws error
[17:17] <ioria> ravisankarj, can you restart te router ?
[17:17] <Eickmeyer> elias_a: I'm not sure, but Canonical owns it, and as they're Europe-based, they definitely need to be GDPR-compliant. The main snapcraft.io has a link at the bottom that goes to this: https://ubuntu.com/legal/data-privacy
[17:17] <ravisankarj> @ioria: let me restart
[17:17] <ioria> you'll be disconnected
[17:17] <Eickmeyer> elias_a: That has contact information, so that means it's GDPR-compliant as only the snapcraft.io (the main domain) needs to have the privacy policy.
[17:28] <elias_a> Eickmeyer: The contact information of DPO if exists has to be available in the privacy policy of the service in question. Also the privacy policy you linked has shortcomings. I'll talk to Canonical DPO. Thanks!
[17:32] <lntl> At boot, systemd starts a systemd --user process for every user on the system. How do I configure systemd to not do this at boot, preferrably start this at first actual login?
[17:35] <ioria> ravisankarj, an apt.conf set or are you behind a proxy ?
[17:38] <ravisankarj> @ioria: how to check that?, after restarting the router, i tried to change the repository once again, this time i chose ubunut-ports.mirror, this time the repository has changed, didn't throw any error, but the output of apt-get update is
[17:38] <ravisankarj> https://termbin.com/lika
[17:39] <ioria> ravisankarj, sudo apt-get -o Debug::pkgAcquire::Auth=true update
[17:43] <ravisankarj> @ioria: ok, i did, it shows lot of logs, the final log is "E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead."
[17:44] <lntl> Is this a silly question?
[17:47] <ioria> ravisankarj, sudo apt-get  -o Debug::Acquire::http=true -o Debug::pkgAcquire::Auth=true -o Debug::Hashs=true update | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:48] <ravisankarj> @ioria: i think the problem is solved, i changed the repository to ftp.iitm.ac.in
[17:48] <ioria> ravisankarj, ok, good
[17:51] <ravisankarj> @ioria: https://termbin.com/ow56
[17:52] <ioria> ravisankarj, ok
[17:53] <ravisankarj> @ioria: so it is resolved isn't it? thank you for your help.. :-)
[17:53] <ioria> ravisankarj, no problem
[18:48] <Yakov> is it possible to drag my app from .locals to favorites panel with terminal command?
[18:49] <leftyfb> Yakov: we went over this yesterday
[18:49] <Yakov> yes, I remember :)
[18:49] <Yakov> want to use terminal instead of mouse move
[18:50] <leftyfb> terminal != "drag"
[18:50] <Yakov> indeed
[18:52] <vida> ?
[19:01] <Guest43> Hello
[19:01] <Guest43> I installed npm and it's at version 8.5.1. I think the current versin is 20 something
[19:01] <Guest43> how do you install packages in Ubuntu?
[19:01] <Guest43> Is there a wiki or some documentation?
[19:03] <leftyfb> !latest | Guest43
[19:03] <Guest43> node JS is at version 20
[19:04] <Guest43> 8.5.1 vs 20... is not latest
[19:04] <leftyfb> Guest43: is something not working for you with the version of npm available in Ubuntu 20.04?
[19:04] <Guest43> yes. nothing
[19:04] <leftyfb> Guest43: nothing is working? Can you be more specific?
[19:07] <ioria> Guest43 you can have 20 via snap
[19:08] <ioria> Guest43 nope sy, that was node
[19:09] <Habbie> i think npm can install a newer version of itself in your home directory
[19:09] <Habbie> but i do not have a guide for you
[19:10] <ioria> Guest43 i think you can use thne snap ver of node and connect plugin : https://snapcraft.io/docs/npm-plugin
[19:11] <leftyfb> they left
[19:11] <ioria> oh
[19:11] <Habbie> they pinged out, in fact, so some messages before their Quit also won't have made it
[19:11] <leftyfb> and had yet to explain an actual problem
[19:16] <ioria> Yakov, if you want a cli cmd, you can use gsettings set org.gnome.shell favorite-apps "[' .desktop',...]"
[19:25] <lntl> At boot, systemd starts a systemd --user process for every user on the system. How do I configure systemd to not do this at boot, preferrably start this at first actual login?
[19:43] <Yakov> gonna solve my case with dconf read /org/gnome/shell/favorite-apps
[20:21] <booqoohq> Hello and bright day to you all!
[21:09] <ogra> elias_a, not sure what you mean by "reboot", the forum is 7y old, the only thing that has changed over time every now and then is the CSS ... if you click the "about" link at the top of the forum site you find a link at the bottom of that page to https://ubuntu.com/legal/data-privacy which has been written by the canonical legal team ...
[21:13] <ogra> elias_a, snapd-devce-helper is only run inside snap environments and does surely never run outside of any snaps, it has no settings and manages device access of snap interfaces from inside the snap env ... it usually does not run outside at all unless you'D manually invoke it somehow
[21:31] <elias_a> ogra: Thanks! 1) Canonical legal team apparently is not doing decent work and 2) especially thanks to explaining the snap environment. My problem is that I have not a slightest clue why snap-device-helper shows in syslog trying to mount my automotive USB device as a printer. :D
[21:33] <elias_a> ogra: Check the cookies and trackers at https://forum.snapcraft.io/ GA and other stuff downloaded without consent. Sad.
[21:36] <elias_a> ogra: The expression "reboot" comes from the pinned post on forum: "Dear members of the snap community, Today, we’d like to announce a “reboot” of the Snapcrafters community. "
[21:37] <elias_a> ogra: Oh - my bad! I misread the date of the post!
[21:39] <elias_a> ogra: I'd love to understand the snaps in terms of system architecture. What should I read?
[21:42] <Eickmeyer> elias_a: I think just about everything is here: https://snapcraft.io/docs/snapcraft-reference
[21:45] <elias_a> Eickmeyer: Given the quality of your answers earlier tonight, I doubt it.
[21:45] <Eickmeyer> elias_a: Don't be rude.
[21:45] <Eickmeyer> !coc | elias_a
[21:46] <elias_a> Eickmeyer: I am not being rude. You have been astray.
[21:46] <elias_a> Eickmeyer: Do you wish that I clarify?
[21:47] <Eickmeyer> elias_a: I have not. You don't need to be argumentative now. I gave you the reference manual as the only source I know. Now, I also gave you the support forum for snaps. That's the place for snap support. Kindly go away if you can't be nice.
[21:48] <elias_a> Eickmeyer: Given the face value of your answers I am full of doubts....
[21:48] <Eickmeyer> !ops | CoC violations  - disrespect by elias_a
[21:49] <elias_a> Oh - and the whining begins again...
[21:49] <Eickmeyer> elias_a: The CoC explicitly says be respectful, which you are not.
[21:49] <elias_a> I guess this is a "Ubuntu thing" nowadays.
[21:50] <elias_a> Eickmeyer: Saying that something is of low quality when it has just been proven is not disrespectful.
[21:50] <gordonjcp> elias_a: if you don't like it, you're welcome to use something else.
[21:50] <Eickmeyer> elias_a: That's not relevant here. Kindly leave if you can't be respectful to everyone.
[21:51] <elias_a> gordonjcp: Let's see. I'll first have to find whether it is fit for purpose.
[21:53] <elias_a> Eickmeyer: Look. This is a support channel. If you say snap-device-helper is not in Ubuntu based on there is not a package by that name, that surely raises my eyebrow.
[21:53] <Eickmeyer> elias_a: It's a component of a snap. Snaps are not Ubuntu-exclusive.
[21:55] <elias_a> Eickmeyer: I told you and tell you again: if it is bundled in a stock Ubuntu (apparently because there are snaps already in a fresh install) it is a thing in Ubuntu. I do not know how close this is to your concept "Ubuntu thing".
[21:57] <Eickmeyer> Keep going. Insult me some more.
[21:58] <elias_a> Eickmeyer: I am not trying to insult you. We clearly have severe communication problems but that is quite common.
[22:00] <Eickmeyer> elias_a: We have a defined line of what is supported in this channel and what is not. Snaps themselves are not supported here, even if they come pre-installed (see Firefox, it's published directly by Mozilla).
[22:00] <arraybolt3> elias_a: Coming into a support channel and yelling about GDPR violations that probably don't exist (and if they do are almost certainly not intentional), constantly bashing Snap, telling multiple volunteers (including an Ubuntu Developer) that they don't know what they're talking about, and doing it all in a disrespectful and channel-derailing way
[22:00] <arraybolt3> is not acceptable. I'm going to join the people asking you to go somewhere else.
[22:00] <elias_a> The reason why I am frustrated: I was around already when Linux Standards Base was launched. IMHO the goal was good. Things have become more complicated.
[22:01] <Eickmeyer> elias_a: That's off-topic here.
[22:01] <elias_a> arraybolt3: Ok. Before I go I tell you what is wrong with the forum page...
[22:01] <Eickmeyer> elias_a: That's off-topic here
[22:02] <elias_a> Eickmeyer: Oh, come on... you just want to get rid of me. I'll leave soon - that's a promise.
[22:02] <Eickmeyer> elias_a: That's off-topic here
[22:05] <Eickmeyer> elias_a: Whatever you're writing about the forum page, save it for Canonical Legal. It's off-topic here.
[22:06] <elias_a> arraybolt3: Check what trackers the page https://forum.snapcraft.io/ loads. All non necessary like GA and so on need consent as per GDPR and ePrivacy Directive. Here's just one analysis without details. https://www.cookiebot.com/en/compliance-test/1e96c5e9-8e03-41f3-8ee3-b29c3be72e0b/#website_scan_results
[22:06] <Eickmeyer> elias_a: That's off-topic here
[22:06] <elias_a> Eickmeyer: Canonical not being law compliant is not on topic here? :)
[22:07] <Eickmeyer> elias_a: Absolutely. Ubuntu, while owned by Canonical, is not Canonical. If you want support from Canonical, you have to pay for it.
[22:08] <Eickmeyer> elias_a: This is exclusifely community support here, hence your rant is off-topic.
[22:08] <elias_a> Eickmeyer: I believe Ubuntu is still a trademark owned by Canonical, isn't it?
[22:08] <Eickmeyer> !ops | elias_a consistently off-topic and refuses to stay on-topic
[22:08] <Eickmeyer> elias_a: irrelevant
[22:09] <elias_a> I am through with this. Cannot stand uncivilized, uneducated, narrow-minded people. Take care of yourselves!
[22:09] <arraybolt3> And if an op could come along and set a +b flag on him now, that would be much appreciated.
[22:09] <Eickmeyer> And the disrespect to everyone in the channel again, a CoC violation.
[22:09] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: he left (finally)
[22:10] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: Yeah, I know, but with the repeated CoC violations of disrespect, which is the cornerstone of the CoC, that should be a permaban.
[22:10] <arraybolt3> Slightly worried that two !ops triggers and me going directly into the ubuntu-ops channel to ask for help didn't seem to call anyone.
[22:45] <cahoots> hi, i'm trying to install drivers for my nvidia 3070 ti gpu. i downloaded drivers from the nvidia site and installed them manually (in order to install them, i booted to console, shut down the display process, and then installed them). then, i restarted the computer. now when it boots it tells me, "Failed to start process" during bootup and stops. what should i do?
[22:59] <WaV> cahoots: Nvidia added support for the 3070 ti in version 470 of their display driver. No need to manually install. If you enable propietary drivers in software and updates (assuming you get back into a desktop environment) you can just "sudo apt install nvidia-driver-470"
[23:19] <cahoots> WaV, so i tried uninstalling the manually installed one and let ubuntu choose one to install. it looks like it picked nvidia-driver-535, but now when i boot up, i just get a black screen