[00:09] <tsimonq2> Second respin rolling. Fingers crossed, this will have the correct session for the installer prompt, and all that.
[00:09] <tsimonq2> I'm knee-deep in that blog post, but I'll have another Cala upload incoming
[01:01] <tsimonq2> New respin is out: 20231210
[01:01] <tsimonq2> Syncing to confirm on my end that the installer prompt, yk, looks right. :P
[01:04]  * guiverc notes "grub-common	2.12~rc1-12ubuntu4" so :) there
[01:05] <tsimonq2> casper/noble,now 1.487 amd64 [installed]
[01:05] <tsimonq2> Gah, needs another round.
[01:07] <tsimonq2> Second rebuild kicked off; I'll have a third before I EOD with some Cala settings goodies (hopefully), and a fourth will be done as usual in the morning, heh.
[01:08] <tsimonq2> If we happen to notice any languages that need denylisting, or that don't fully refresh with the new language once selected/confirmed, let me know.
[01:08] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: I know you're likely on your weekly $day(z)off, but casper is good. Somehow, your idea worked. :P
[01:09] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: I mean, I needed to tweak some stuff minorly... but good job. :)
[01:29] <arraybolt3> Woot! Glad it works!
[01:29] <arraybolt3> I worked hard on that :)
 He's alive :D
 Perfect timing!!
[02:47] <tsimonq2> I can confirm it's all working as expected, for some languages. We'll need some automated testing to see *which* languages don't work.
[02:47] <tsimonq2> Plus, we can't forget about the open WiFi networks. WEP is *probably* meh, but why not *shrug*
[02:48] <tsimonq2> All of that will have to be later this week for me :P
[02:49] <arraybolt3> Quick way to make a mess - run sbuild and submittodebian in the same directory in parallel.
[03:29] <tsimonq2> https://lubuntu.me/noble-alpha-featureset/
[03:35] <arraybolt3> woohoo!
[03:35] <arraybolt3> mind if I throw that onto r/Linux?
[03:35] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: ^
[03:36] <tsimonq2> I have one answer to that question, and I'll answer it only once: *at your own peril.*
[03:36] <tsimonq2> If you REALLY think you can survive that, I mean, sure.
[03:36] <tsimonq2> But don't say I didn't warn you.
[03:36] <arraybolt3> :P I've participated in threads over there quite a bit, so I think I'll be OK. I defended Zorin OS the other day.
[03:37] <tsimonq2> Also: https://9to5linux.com/lubuntu-24-04-lts-to-ship-with-optional-wayland-session-improved-installer
[03:37] <arraybolt3> oh dang, I guess Wayland alpha is official then 😬
[03:37] <arraybolt3> That was on the "let's tread gently" list, but now it's on the "FULL STEAM AHEAD LET'S GOOOOOO!" list :P
[03:39] <arraybolt3> On the bright side I got a minimal labwc session to work in Noble the other day so it's definitely possible.
[03:39] <arraybolt3> The question is whether a labwc+LXQt session is workable or not.
 https://fosstodon.org/@LubuntuOfficial/111554061455353552
[04:05] <arraybolt3> nice
[04:17] <arraybolt3> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/2045944 hah, I ran into that bug a couple nights ago and thought it was the fault of the new script I had just written. Glad to see it was an actual upstream bug.
[04:17] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2045944 in grub2 (Ubuntu Noble) "all ubuntu-server preinstalled image builds fail with grub2 2.12~rc1-12ubuntu3" [Critical, Fix Released]
[04:17] <arraybolt3> er, upstream from me anyway
[04:20] <tsimonq2> I'm heading off for the night, let's hope I don't wake up to a fire. :P
[04:20] <arraybolt3> o/
[10:29] <mkukri> any daily grub-install installer failures on grub 12ubuntu3 should be fixed in 12ubuntu4, just saw lubuntu isos also ran into it
[10:29] <mkukri> sorry that bug was my bad
[10:46] <mkukri> good news, unfortunately these things happen when chipping away at a multi-year technical debt backlog. but at least grub-pc will now be properly re-installed on package updates (vs it used to be held back unless you explictly dpkg-reconfigured)
 Confirm 2 installs latest ISO good (re @lubuntu_bot: (matrix) <kc2bez> The latest respin seems to have it fixed.)
 Once built, please test the latest sddm merge to make sure it works ok in lubuntu
 in ppa here: https://launchpad.net/~rikmills/+archive/ubuntu/sddm-merge/+packages
 I really appreciate the heads up on this Rik, thank you! (re @RikMills: Once built, please test the latest sddm merge to make sure it works ok in lubuntu)
 We have enough problems already! :P (re @tsimonq2: I really appreciate the heads up on this Rik, thank you!)
[14:36] <tsimonq2> mkukri: Chipping away at backlog certainly is *noble* work. Just remember to knock it off after Feature Freeze. ;)
[14:37] <tsimonq2> mkukri: Thanks for your help; it happens.
[14:37]  * tsimonq2 slaps mkukri with a wet fish :D
[14:37] <tsimonq2> (classic IRC joke)
[14:39] <mkukri> most of the noble effort is focused on fixing bugs and automated testing. there are no drastic things on the roadmap.  and dont worry,  i dont have free reign anyways :)
[14:40] <tsimonq2> >:D
[14:44] <mkukri> and just fyi,  the remaining "big" grub thing in noble (and debian) is merging the final 2.12 release when it comes out.
[15:29] <tsimonq2> mkukri: Perfect, just keep us posted. :)
[15:29] <tsimonq2> So, here's another thing we haven't considered WRT installer-prompt...
[15:29] <tsimonq2> If someone selects e.g. Spanish, and then selects Try Lubuntu, they don't really have a keyboard selection option, do they?
[15:29] <tsimonq2> They actually have to install the system, I think...
[15:29] <tsimonq2> Could be wrong.
[15:32]  * lubot [matrix] <kc2bez> starts a VM
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/5ff7ba77/file_10212.jpg
[15:37] <tsimonq2> If you run `lxqt-config-input -s "Keyboard Layout"` and the language is set to English, it opens right to the LXQt settings for keyboard selection. For other languages, it needs the translated name. Might want to go off an int or something.
[15:38] <tsimonq2> We could have a button within the prompt that pops that config up?
 There is a widget we can add to the tray I think
[15:38] <tsimonq2> Otherwise, when clicking Try Lubuntu, if the language is not English, we can have it pop that window up right away?
[15:38] <tsimonq2> oh?
[15:38] <tsimonq2> Spanish is obviously the guinea pig here. ;)
 @Roberalz right about now if you have thoughts, go ahead :)
 Yeah, it is the only other language I sort of know.
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/227064e3/file_10213.jpg
 It is mostly just an indicator but clicking through lets you get to the config menu you found.
[15:45] <tsimonq2> ooooooooooooooooooh
[15:48] <tsimonq2> A few things here...
[15:49] <tsimonq2> Can we assume the normal user only has one keyboard layout? Should we have that as a default icon if the language is not US English/standard US keyboard?
[15:50] <tsimonq2> In terms of setting it initially in the live install, I think back to how Calamares does it: they have a specific box you can type in to verify whether the layout works as expected.
[15:52] <tsimonq2> I'm trying to think of the best UX for this... any ideas Dan?
[15:52] <tsimonq2> If they just choose Install Lubuntu, they're all set, we don't need to do anything.
[15:53] <tsimonq2> If they choose Try Lubuntu, they should have an intuitive way to configure their keyboard layout... but would we really need a pre-welcome center popup?
[15:53] <tsimonq2> hmmm
[15:55] <tsimonq2> This seems like a wxl question, tbh. XD
 Is a god option, Debian has it activated by default in lxqt (re @kc2bez: It is mostly just an indicator but clicking through lets you get to the config menu you found.)
 Perhaps after installing it could be deactivated, but to test the system it could be loaded.
[17:48] <tsimonq2> I like that as a starter idea, actually... hmmm
 Seee I knew @Roberalz had the answers XD
 Just tested latest iso - selected Icelandic (íslenska) as language - confirmed selected try and the desktop was in Icelandic !!
[18:12] <tsimonq2> 🎉🎉🎉🎉
 Well done mates! (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> 🎉🎉🎉🎉)
[18:12] <tsimonq2> Thank you!!!! There are some languages that *don't* work, let's find them ;)
[18:13] <tsimonq2> (No rush, if we don't get manual testing done for this, I'll write an automated QA test.)
 I think there are way to many variants of English,spanish;french etc ..also as you know the keyboard was still in US English. (Live session) (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> Thank you!!!! There are some languages that *don't* work, let's find them ;))
[18:16] <tsimonq2> I agree with that :)
[18:16] <tsimonq2> @Leokolb: Would you consider the Calamares language list to be "too much?" The reason I ask is, both use QLocale on the backend so I can probably use some of their logic.
 The list that Calamares has used until now is good in my opinion and of course is same for keyboard (I think) (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> @Leokolb: Would you consider the Calamares language list to be "too much?" The reason I ask is, both use QLocale on the backend so I can probably use some of their logic.)
[18:42] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: you've not already packaged picom-conf have you?
[18:42] <arraybolt3> if not I'll tackle it
 Go ahead
 Also we need a new sddm-conf, just got tagged at the request of us and OpenSUSE iirc
 May need to add to pkgset
[18:49] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: also now that we've announced experimental Wayland support, are we so sure about making that a PPA-only thing?
 *shrug* I said "we're not exactly sure what that looks like yet" for a reason :)
 Up for discussion; what do you think?
[18:56] <arraybolt3> I think we should at *least* have the package for it in the archive to be installed by the end user, similar to what Kubuntu has done and probably still is doing.
 Let's reuse "Lubuntu Next"
[18:57] <arraybolt3> But as we've announced it to the whole world, we may have people looking for it in the session menu, and so we may even want it to be installed but not the default. Most users won't find it.
[18:57] <arraybolt3> Lubuntu Next?
 That was the codename for Lubuntu with LXQt back in the day before it was our official desktop
[18:58] <arraybolt3> oh cool
[18:58] <arraybolt3> was it like installable as a separate package, or was it a separate ISO entirely?
 We had a lubuntu-next daily and everything. Some of the old cruft is still there and there's precedent, so depending on how far we get this cycle, we could spin up Lubuntu Next images that are not being released.
 https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/cd-build-logs/lubuntu-next/
 But we should focus on finishing our feature set and going bug hunting when we're done....
[19:11] <arraybolt3> I like it
[19:36] <arraybolt3> ok, well I have a test machine at least, need to look into stefonarch's LXQt Wayland progress since he actually has working desktops and I have broken weirdness :P but it's doable for sure.
[21:44] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: you said something about needing a new sddm-conf? The only new things I see in that are some new translations.
[21:45] <arraybolt3> And I do not see any new Git tag, so it's just a Git sync.
 I think there were plans for a release on Github
[21:46] <arraybolt3> ah. Well in that instance I should probably hold off until that happens.
 There was some chatter in the LXQt channel earlier
[21:46] <arraybolt3> which channel is that?
[21:46] <arraybolt3> Is it on Libera?
[21:47] <arraybolt3> I can look it up myself, just figured I'd ask
 It is bridged between OFTC, Matrix and Telegram
[21:47] <arraybolt3> I'm on OFTC, so I can join there.
 https://matrix.to/#/#lxqt:matrix.org
 Standby I can get you the OFTC info too
[21:49] <arraybolt3> just found it
[21:49] <arraybolt3> already joined
[21:49] <arraybolt3> https://lxqt-project.org/release/2023/11/10/release-lxqt-menu-data-1-4-1/ should probably package that soon-ish
 👍
[21:50] <arraybolt3> anyway, /me tackles picom-conf
 Awesome, thank you!
[21:51] <arraybolt3> Probably need to file an ITP bug in Debian and whatever we call the equivalent in LP.
[21:52] <arraybolt3> Worthy of note, there hasn't been a release of that either yet so I'm packaging a Git snapshot.
 Gotta start with something I guess.
[21:53] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: did you already package libqtilitools for Debian and upload it? As well as sddm-conf? Or should I be going on a Debian-side packaging spree there?
[21:56] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2 did *not* do it for Debian. OK, so for now Lubuntu-only it is, I'll tackle Debian later, probably after the release of sddm-conf.
[22:04] <arraybolt3> alright, let's see if this builds :D
[22:04] <arraybolt3> I shamelessly stole Simon's entire packaging for sddm-conf and tweaked it to work for us
[22:15] <arraybolt3> Preparing to test the new package before submitting it.
 If you happen to toss it at a PPA I will test it too.
[22:17] <arraybolt3> sounds good
 Oh, thanks for the info. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3> https://lxqt-project.org/release/2023/11/10/release-lxqt-menu-data-1-4-1/ should probably package that soon-ish)
[23:07] <arraybolt3> hahahaha I just about included the entire Git history for picom-conf in the source package
[23:08] <arraybolt3> Lintian's "very long line length" warnings let me know.
[23:21] <arraybolt3> https://git.lubuntu.me/Lubuntu/picom-conf-packaging
 https://github.com/AzumaHazuki/lxqt-themes-lubuntu-box/issues/1#issuecomment-1849072555
[23:45] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Issue 1 in AzumaHazuki/lxqt-themes-lubuntu-box "Please make a tag" [Open]
 Are you sure it's MIT, not Expat? :P (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3> https://git.lubuntu.me/Lubuntu/picom-conf-packaging)
 Also idc feel free to set my licensing to whatever flavor of GPL the source uses
[23:47] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: Well it says MIT in the source code.
 vorlon thwacked me for that on the first set
[23:47] <arraybolt3> So according to upstream, yes. (Probably *is* expat but, who am I to disagree with the mighty upstream devs?)