[07:10] <JanC> lotuspsychje: there is no "hexchat indicator" (except the one that integrated in Unity's messaging indicator, which is useless for most people now); that is an old-fashioned tray icon there, and maybe that's related to the issue...?
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> JanC: you mean the hexchat indicator on gnome is outdated and not adapted to gnome properly?
[12:00] <JanC> well, Gnome itself doesn't support either IIRC, and the extension supports both app indicators & tray icons?
[12:01] <JanC> but if you only see that bug with HexChat, it might be related to how it uses tray icons (while most applications use an app indicator library nowadays, I think)
[12:02] <JanC> s/extension/shell extension/
[12:02] <lotuspsychje> i see
[12:03] <JanC> might be possible to test that if you find another application that still uses tray icons  :)
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> JanC: daniel vvugt seems to suspect bug #2012388
[12:03] -ubottu:#ubuntu-next- Bug 2012388 in gnome-shell-extension-appindicator (Ubuntu) "X11 window (usually AnyDesk) at top-right of the screen is invisible and steals mouse clicks" [High, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2012388
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> JanC: i got qbittorrent indicator too, wich doesnt have that issue
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> its just the hexchat one inflating
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> i did not test anydesk neither
[12:07] <JanC> so apparently you can disable "Legacy Tray icons support" (but that's probably not what most people want...)
[12:08] <JanC> I mean, you could just disable the HexChat tray icon in HexChat too then
[12:09] <JanC> I wonder if the same issue shows up on X11
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> i disabled it, lemme logout/in
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> yep that fixes it
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> now lets try re enable and try on xorg
[12:13] <lotuspsychje> yeah xorg has it too
[12:13] <JanC> so then it's not because the tray icon needs XWayland  :)
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> indeed, but if it happens with anydesk, it means prob related to the indicator mechanism
[12:15] <JanC> the AnyDesk issue might be different
[12:15] <JanC> or it might be related
[12:15] <JanC> hard to say  :)
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> we will let the devs fight it out :p
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> did you see the new yelp version on noble JanC 
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> it added a category to the gnome devs matrix channel
[12:16] <JanC> ugh
[12:17] <lotuspsychje> lemme screen
[12:17] <lotuspsychje> JanC: https://imgur.com/a/3KcLN7Y
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> lets hope they add an ubuntu matrix too, unless the gnome devs want users to reach to gnome more in the future?
[12:21] <JanC> the biggest problem is promoting bloatware like matrix/Element  :)
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> well matrix does have a lot of users, it could get us back proper ubuntu support
[12:22] <lotuspsychje> arch and kde community also use matrix combined with irc here
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> https://community.kde.org/Matrix
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Matrix
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> so i assume gnome wants to join the club?
[12:24] <JanC> many Gnome channels have been bridged to Matrix for quite a while now, but that is often broken (for everyone who tries to do it) because of Matrix bridge bugs
[12:25] <lotuspsychje> there's a bridge being tested atm working pretty stable
[12:25] <lotuspsychje> #ubuntu-matrix
[12:25] <JanC> but does it work correctly?
[12:26] <lotuspsychje> depends what you define by working
[12:26] <JanC> as in respecting IRC  :)
[12:26] <lotuspsychje> join and see, there's support going on at some times
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> you might be affected to bug #2044167 too JanC (if using dutch ubuntu-desktop)
[12:33] -ubottu:#ubuntu-next- Bug 2044167 in language-pack-gnome-nl (Ubuntu) "livepatch strings not fully translated to dutch in noble" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2044167
[12:34] <lotuspsychje> still happens on jammy too
[12:34] <JanC> well, my main desktop is in English, but it would affect other people's systems that I support (e.g. my dad)
[12:35] <lotuspsychje> ah ok
[12:35] <JanC> OTOH, he probably doesn't see anything related to livepatch
[12:37] <JanC> also, Noble isn't anywhere near release, so missing translations are to be expected
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> its the same on jammy, so surely a missed string
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> its a bit odd when you get a mixed language window
[12:38] <JanC> is it even available for translation? and who would have to translate it? Canonical? (this is commercial after all)
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> the dutch translate team prob
[12:40] <lotuspsychje> brb
[12:40] <JanC> I'm not sure they translate stuff that is on the commercial/Canonical side?
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> JanC: its the livepatch text, after update-manager gui is done with updates
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> https://i.stack.imgur.com/Qc33m.png