| Mooncairn | Today's problem is installing nix under Debian. The install script leaves things in a broken state. | 03:33 |
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| Mooncairn | The version of nix in Debian proper is ancient and to get a Debianized recent version of nix, I'd have to upgrade to testing or sid and risk breaking everything else. | 03:34 |
| Mooncairn | Someone remind why I once thought computers were really cool? :-/ | 03:35 |
| Mooncairn | I need to take up a non-tech hobby, like knitting. | 03:36 |
| cmaloney | Looms are computers | 03:44 |
| * Mooncairn groans | 03:44 | |
| Mooncairn | Basket weaving, maybe? | 03:44 |
| cmaloney | algorithms | 03:45 |
| Scary_Guy | IRC client issues? | 16:04 |
| Mooncairn | No. Just diagnosing other problems via relogin and reboot. | 16:05 |
| Scary_Guy | What's it doing or not doing? | 16:05 |
| Mooncairn | Sometimes login and logout is slow (over one or two minutes). | 16:06 |
| Mooncairn | I was trying to see if it's consistent. It is not. | 16:07 |
| Mooncairn | A couple of times system shutdown took over two minutes with a lot of disk activity during that time. | 16:08 |
| Mooncairn | Not sure what's wrong. Again thinking hardware issues and not happy about the thought. | 16:08 |
| Scary_Guy | How old is it? Yeah I wouldn't complain too much about a long boot. I remember trying to run Windows 95 on a 486 and walking away for half an hour. | 16:09 |
| Scary_Guy | Kids today, everything has to be right now, no one has any patients anymore. | 16:10 |
| Scary_Guy | :P | 16:10 |
| Mooncairn | Oh, those were the good ol' days, weren't they? ;) | 16:10 |
| Mooncairn | The other thing I'm trying to figure out is how I want to handle installing apps and managing dotfiles. | 16:11 |
| Scary_Guy | Most dotfiles just get thrown into /home/$user/ | 16:11 |
| Scary_Guy | As far as apps, they exist on the SSD, and the larger ones go on the larger SSD (like my Steam library.) | 16:12 |
| Mooncairn | Oh, of course. That's not what I meant. I'm trying to figure out a process of storing dotfiles in .git and installing them on a fresh install so that I don't have to keep doing the "spend weeks getting everything back up" phase. | 16:12 |
| Mooncairn | Same thing with packages. I want a script that I can run on a fresh install and automatically set everything up. | 16:13 |
| Scary_Guy | That's not a bad idea. My problem is some of those may have sensitive crap on them. | 16:13 |
| Mooncairn | That's why I was toying with nix yesterday. | 16:13 |
| Scary_Guy | Nix seems great | 16:14 |
| Mooncairn | I like the idea of it. | 16:14 |
| Mooncairn | The only thing is that a lot of stuff can be downloaded for a single simple package. | 16:14 |
| Mooncairn | For example, I installed a dinky little program last night and it downloaded hundreds of gigs of files (including gcc 12.3 when I already had gcc installed in Debian). | 16:15 |
| Scary_Guy | Yikes. I'll stick to .appimage | 16:16 |
| Mooncairn | I'm thinking the best use case for nix is probably if you're running NixOS or if you just have the barest install of a base OS (like Debian) and then use nix for absolutely everything else. | 16:16 |
| Mooncairn | Yes, there's that, too. | 16:17 |
| Mooncairn | If I wrote an install script instead, I could then curl an .appimage and install/update it (along with everything else) automatically. | 16:18 |
| Mooncairn | I'm leaning toward that for now. | 16:18 |
| Mooncairn | Maybe save serious use of nix for if the script idea proves unworkable. | 16:18 |
| Mooncairn | whoops, back a few messages, s/gigs/megs/ | 16:19 |
| Scary_Guy | I have a really dumb idea, make your own PPA? Then list every package you want as a dependency. | 16:20 |
| Scary_Guy | Well, maybe not a PPA since I don't know if vanilla Debian can do those again yet. | 16:20 |
| Mooncairn | No idea. | 16:21 |
| Mooncairn | Probably not would be my guess. | 16:21 |
| Mooncairn | In any case, I don't really want to make debian packages of things. That's a lot of work. | 16:22 |
| Mooncairn | I was willing to do it back in the day, but these days I'd rather spend my time on other things. | 16:22 |
| Scary_Guy | https://news.itsfoss.com/ubuntu-23-10-ppa/ | 16:23 |
| Scary_Guy | Fair enough, but I was thinking just a metapackage so it wouldn't have anything actually in it, just references to dependencies. | 16:24 |
| Mooncairn | Would there be a mechanism for downloading and installing non-deb packages through that? | 16:27 |
| Mooncairn | Ok, looks like Debian does have add-apt-repository and can use PPAs, but it's the insecure version. | 16:31 |
| jrwren | slow login/logout. I'd check DNS first thing. | 17:32 |
| Scary_Guy | Yes, because network settings are the first thing to come to mind when thinking about login issues. :P | 22:11 |
| Scary_Guy | I'm not doubting you, just saying it's stupid unless it's literally a terminal or something. | 22:11 |
| jrwren | you must know what happens upon login and logout and that when it happens things are LOGGED including hostname which may be resolved. That calls a resolver. Hence: it is always DNS. | 22:27 |
| jrwren | modern linux distro's default PAM profiles are so absurdly complex, I'm amazed that they work at all most of the time ;) | 22:28 |
| Scary_Guy | Yeah, that's why I wasn't doubting. | 22:31 |
| Scary_Guy | It's just still dumb for anything local. | 22:31 |
| Scary_Guy | Especially if it's an air-gapped system. | 22:33 |
| Scary_Guy | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Layer_8 lol | 22:35 |
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