[00:16] <loswedseded> if you know how to transfer files from a redmi10c to a ubuntu 23.10, let me know. My ubuntu recognizes the android device, but no subdirectories
[00:22] <toddc> loswedseded: I transfer to/from my android --one connected you need to enable fil trandfer on the phone. the process varies depending on what version of andriod
[00:32] <enigma9o7> I have some questions about nouveau driver.  For one thing, how do I tell what version I'm using?  Is there any way to update it?  Is it just part of the kernel?
[00:33] <toddc> !nvidia | enigma9o7
[00:34] <enigma9o7> I'm using old version of lubuntu 18.04.06LTS and hwe kernel and ELTS updates enabled, but that only gets me to kernel 5.4, and in this version, if I use Nouveau, I lock up about once every day or two (with error like "[117124.523533] nouveau 0000:01:00.0 DRM: GPU lockup - switching to software fbcon")
[00:34] <toddc> https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/
[00:34] <enigma9o7> However, if I use nvidia-340 all is well, but that's not supported in newer ubuntu versions, so thats why I'm still on old ubuntu.
[00:35] <enigma9o7> I've read lots of stuff on freedesktop.org, hours, not sure what you're referring to in particuldar todd.
[00:36] <toddc> 18.06 is EOL consider upgrading
[00:36] <enigma9o7> Well exactly.
[00:36] <enigma9o7> That's why I'm asking these questions.
[00:37] <enigma9o7> I'm also wondering if newer ubuntu has newer nouveau, etc, perhaps its already fixed and doesnt lockup every day, and I could then upgrade.
[00:37] <enigma9o7> But if it's no better than what I have now, better to stick with older version where at least everything keeps working.
[00:37] <rbox> newner ubunsu have newer kernels
[00:37] <rbox> nouveau is in the kernel
[00:38] <enigma9o7> And is nouveau in the kernel?  I asked that as first question....
[00:38] <enigma9o7> Ok thanks.
[00:38] <Bashing-om> enigma9o7: see in terminal: apt show xserver-xorg-video-nouveau .
[00:39] <enigma9o7> yeah i've read about that package, but i dont even ahve it installed.  (and currently using nouveau fine.... 3D works, etc)
[00:40] <enigma9o7> well it says thatst he one for 2D
[00:40] <toddc> np what version and desktop do you plan to go to?   I have only one nvidia and hated to but installed nomodet then recommeded driver I am not on it so would need to go che3ck which I used but if you only need basic noueau shoud work if not switch to ..
[00:40] <enigma9o7> i do have libgl1-mesa-dri version 20.0.8 installed
[00:44] <loswedseded> is this the place to ask about ubuntu's hierarchy? I mean this must be the most popular open source desktop and notebook software ever created and maintained. A structure like this, to sustain the certification and standardization effort must need thousands of people and money.
[00:44] <loswedseded> you provide updates constantly, android users can hope for regular updates for 2 to 4 times a year up to 4 years
[00:44] <enigma9o7> I'm sure there's stuff more popular than ubuntu.  vlc come sto mind.
[00:44] <loswedseded> vlc is not an os
[00:45] <enigma9o7> vlc is a media player
[00:45] <loswedseded> I still don't know if ubuntu has paid employees or runs exclusively on volunteers
[00:45] <enigma9o7> canoncial has lotsa paid volunteers
[00:45] <enigma9o7> million dollars company
[00:45] <Yakov> how to make .desktop file to call script with alacritty, not gnome terminal?
[00:46] <enigma9o7> $175million last year
[00:47] <enigma9o7> yakov: put Exec=alactrritty
[00:47] <Yakov> https://justpaste.it/a6fwt
[00:47] <enigma9o7> with the script you want
[00:47] <Yakov> I think I already tried that
[00:47] <enigma9o7> test from command line to check the synatx, i dont have alacritcity installed
[00:47] <enigma9o7> there is probably something like -s or something or whatever, check man page or help for alacritty on how to specify a command
[00:48] <enigma9o7> alternatively you could set the xterminal enviornment variable
[00:48] <Yakov> I need 3rd party terminal
[00:49] <enigma9o7> in the desktop file you can set variables i.e `Exec="TERM=alacrity /home/user/script.sh"`
[00:49] <enigma9o7> but gotta use the right ariable, i dont think its TERM
[00:50] <enigma9o7> so two easy ways to do it
[00:50] <enigma9o7> Yakov: you dont "need" 3rd party terminal, what do you mean?   You can run alacritty from alacritty to test if you want.
[00:51] <Yakov> https://justpaste.it/crx2x is not correct
[00:54] <DarkenedGentlema> Anyone know the purpose of /etc/default/grub.d/xen.cfg?  At first glance it looks like the place to set the dom0 memory values (dom0_mem=) however uncommenting that line and changing it to dom0_mem=8G,max:8G does nothing from the looks, even after running update-grub.  If I set GRUB_CMDLINE_XEN_DEFAULT="dom0_mem=8G,max:8G" then that gets appended to the kernel properly.  What's the proper way
[00:54] <DarkenedGentlema> to set the dom0 memory limits, this is ubuntu 22.04.
[01:46] <rocker99> As of 3-4 days ago - I switched to Radeon - its the best experience ive had on ubunu - I have a tomahawk pro board with an I7-9700 clocked @ 3.5 with 16 gig ram -  the radeon is express 2 and ram3 - why - for the last 2 years has nvidia not performed on ubuntu @ 35% less on these platforms - thanks.
[01:48] <rocker99> The radeon - with no fan runs @ 86f
[01:48] <rocker99> And ubuntu acts like its got jet fuel.
[01:48] <rocker99> hilarious
[01:51] <rocker99> So - now - i have to match my express anes with a radeon card - any preferences ? thanks.
[01:51] <rocker99> lanes
[01:51] <rocker99> Not a gamer
[01:52] <rocker99> I repair ham radio / police radio / camcorders / commercial radio / anything electronic - no gaming - thanks.
[01:54] <rocker99> I'm going to guess - - everyone is out partying - right ??
[01:54] <bougyman> right
[01:54] <rocker99> el oh el
[01:55] <rocker99> so - bougyman   any suggestions
[01:56] <bougyman> No I don't do hardware
[01:56] <rocker99> I wish ubuntu had a site to where people could post experiences - with s;ecs
[01:56] <rocker99> specs
[01:56] <rocker99> i hear ys bougy
[01:57] <rocker99> anyway - while the tech are out getting plasered - ill stand by for the occasional blast of the past - thanks.
[01:58] <rocker99> plastered
[01:58] <rocker99> seriously though -- this no-fan- radeon- runs circles on any nvidia card i have.
[01:59] <rocker99> and its express2 ram 3
[01:59] <rocker99> maybe the cuda cound is less and the freq is lower
[02:00] <rocker99> it runs faster than my 1969 hemi charger
[02:00] <rocker99> hilarious
[02:01] <rocker99> I ve ran nvidia since i started ubuntu back in 06
[02:01] <rocker99> this radeon blows all of them away.
[02:02] <rocker99> have a good day people.
[02:02] <rocker99> out - since bougyman  cant talk.
[04:39] <rocker> for those looking for hope - not with drugs and alcohol and or falsivities - here is the link while i can post it - it is hope and peace with your creator who is reacing our to your free will as to create THAT relationship of peace and justice _ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBj9NLPa2cs
[04:40] <rocker> thank you for your time and efforts
[04:46] <matsaman> gross
[04:57] <arraybolt3> sigh, as a Christian, I wish people wouldn't do this. It juts makes us look bad.
[04:57] <arraybolt3> (I didn't actually click the link)
[04:58] <JeffH> that is kinda a gross way to do that.
[04:59] <matsaman> saying almost anything about a religion one espouses is going to make that person look bad
[04:59] <matsaman> religion is pretty gross
[05:08] <ecapi> !discuss | arraybolt3
[05:08] <ecapi> !discuss | JeffH
[05:08] <ecapi> !discuss | matsaman
[05:08] <arraybolt3> ecapi: that's enough please
[05:10] <arraybolt3> shooting !discuss at people is unnecessary unless they are actively going off-topic continuously or just starting too, and generally when it has to do with events that just happened brief off-topic things are tolerated even here. The conversation was already over, and didn't warrant redirection in the first place considering its size
[05:10] <arraybolt3> s/too/to/
[05:10] <matsaman> !spam | ecapi
[06:16] <k4k0> gm all.
[06:16] <k4k0> Does anyone know if old versions of eggdrop run on current kernels? 1.6.21 or 1.8.0rc-4 ?.
[06:24] <arraybolt3> k4k0: I mean the kernel shouldn't be the deciding factor here, it's the age of the other dependencies involved that may influence whether or not it still runs. The Linux kernel itself is insanely good at staying source- and binary-compatible with userland software.
[06:26] <arraybolt3> Whether eggdrop 1.6.21 will run on recent Ubuntu or not, however, I don't know. You may need to compile it from source if some of its deps have become binary-incompatible, and it may need patching if its deps have become source-incompatible. Alternatively you could find and compile older versions of libraries and then provide those to it if it
[06:26] <arraybolt3> doesn't "just work" with modern libraries.
[06:30] <k4k0> arraybolt3 wait
[06:31] <k4k0> check: https://dpaste.com/HNJUBSAYM
[06:31] <k4k0> Even though I have TCL installed on Ubuntu
[06:32] <k4k0> $ whereis tcl
[06:32] <k4k0> tcl: /usr/include/tcl
[06:32] <arraybolt3> apt-cache search tcl | grep dev
[06:32] <k4k0> wait
[06:32] <arraybolt3> You need the development headers too
[06:32] <k4k0> https://dpaste.com/3DZA522AY
[06:33] <k4k0> probably:
[06:33] <k4k0> tcl-dev - Tool Command Language (default version) - development files
[06:33] <k4k0> tcl8.6-dev - Tcl (the Tool Command Language) v8.6 - development files
[06:33] <k4k0> tk-dev - Toolkit for Tcl and X11 (default version) - development files
[06:33] <k4k0> ?
[06:33] <arraybolt3> sudo apt install tcl-dev
[06:33] <k4k0> tcl-dev is already the newest version (8.6.13).
[06:34] <arraybolt3> yeah that sounds like you've hit source incompatibility or something
[06:35] <k4k0> Can anything be done?
[06:35] <arraybolt3> You could try finding the .so and .h files
[06:36] <arraybolt3> then specify them directly like it suggests
[06:36] <arraybolt3> That might fix it if it's just a matter of things being relocated.
[06:37] <k4k0> ./configure --with-tclinc=/usr/include/tcl8.6/tcl.h --with-tcllib=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtcl8.6.so
[06:37] <k4k0> :O
[06:37] <k4k0> compiling...
[06:38] <k4k0> https://dpaste.com/7GXBEG684
[06:38] <k4k0> But...
[06:39] <k4k0> https://dpaste.com/98DE5SHR4
[06:39] <k4k0> show erros :S
[06:44] <arraybolt3> k4k0: at this point you're looking at compiling an older version of Tcl yourself.
[06:45] <arraybolt3> Then installing it to somewhere where it hopefully won't conflict with the package manager (/usr/local usually), and pointing Eggdrop at that.
[06:45] <arraybolt3> Really though, for something that's attached to the Internet, this could be a very bad idea security-wise.
[06:45] <arraybolt3> Can't you just update your scripts or whatever to work with a newer version?
[06:46] <arraybolt3> I have to go now.
[07:54] <aarush> hi guys
[07:54] <aarush> im new to linux
[07:54] <aarush> haha\
[07:54] <aarush> are
[07:54] <arraybolt3> Heya! This room is for asking for help about Ubuntu, so you might find us useful.
[07:55] <aarush> ah kk
[07:55] <aarush> thank you
[07:55] <aarush> aara bolt are my messages readable?
[07:55] <arraybolt3> You might want to familiarize yourself with the rules linked in the topic, since there are some gotchas that you may want to be aware of, like avoiding the anti-flood bot.
[07:55] <arraybolt3> Yes, your messages are readable.
[07:55] <aarush> ah kk
[07:56] <aarush> thank you
[07:59] <dragonflame10> so i ask for help inside of this chatroom?
[08:00] <arraybolt3> yep
[08:03] <dragonflame10> can i ask for help about armbian in this chatroom
[08:05] <CosmicDJ> dragonflame10: there's #armbian
[08:05] <dragonflame10> how do i join it\
[08:06] <CosmicDJ> dragonflame10: /join #armbian
[08:07] <dragonflame10> sorry?
[08:08] <dragonflame10> so all i write is /join #armbian
[09:00] <ice9> when gnome 45.2 will be available for upgrade on 23.10?
[09:06] <CosmicDJ> ice9: soon https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/12/gnome-shell-45-2-ubuntu-23-10
[09:07] <ahc> I bought a Western Digital USB 4TB Drive, but its "My Password" version. One sector only of NTFS. I took it back to the shop and got a refund.
[09:08] <ahc> Should I have reformatted it? Seems a lot of trouble to go to. Easier not to touch it. Get an exFAT without Password locking. Still looking around.
[09:09] <ahc> does anyone use these My Password locked USB drives? The advertising says for Windows or Mac, so that's the tell.
[09:16] <JanC> ahc: I have no idea what "My Password" means, but it's quite likely you could have just reformatted it, and it would have worked
[09:17] <JanC> but you returning it & asking a refund might help raising awareness with them  :)
[09:29] <mzoku> does the system checks unmounted usb drives? I read advise that usb drivers left on the computers are being regularly checked and that is shortening the lifespan
[09:43] <ravage> a filesystem check is not a full surface test (which only makes sense on spinning rust, if at all). so even regular filesystem checks dont reduce the lifespan
[09:49] <aarush_> so how do i join the armbian server\
[09:50] <CosmicDJ> aarush_: https://docs.armbian.com/Community_IRC/
[09:58] <mzoku> ravage, thansk
[10:05] <aarush> hi
[10:13] <jailbreak> Hi all
[10:35] <mzoku> sad to find out my battery capacity: 85.5048%. In that case its pointless to limit the 100% charge with TLP?
[10:43] <ice9> what does cloud-init do?
[10:43] <ice9> and why it's needed to submit a bug with ubuntu-bug?
[10:43] <ikonia>  /last ice9
[10:43] <ikonia> oops
[10:43] <ikonia> ice9: cloud init is for provisioning/config at launch time
[10:44] <ikonia> it's probably not 'needed' but a dependency of one of the packages
[10:44] <ikonia> as packages often have more than one use
[10:45] <ice9> ikonia, as I read about it, it's needed for ubuntu cloud images and for live systems when they boot; so why I can't file a bug if it's systemd unit is not running?
[10:45] <ikonia> ice9: as I said, it's used for provisioning configuration, it's possible it's used for config capture when reporting a bug or something along those lines
[10:45] <ikonia> it's not just for cloud images or live systems,
[12:56] <fling> Which repo/branch for 6.1?
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> !details | fling
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> what are you trying to do exactly fling
[13:09] <fling> I'm looking for a linux 6.1 source tree
[13:09] <fling> going to cherry pick shiftfs patches
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> fling: for testing purposes you can use the !mainline ubuntu kernels if you like (if thats what you need)
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> !mainline
[13:12] <fling> the page does not say which one is for 6.1
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> https://kernel.ubuntu.com/mainline/
[13:14] <fling> thanks
[13:14] <fling> git://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel-test/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/mainline-crack cod/mainline/v6.1.66
[13:15] <fling> lotuspsychje: found here https://kernel.ubuntu.com/mainline/v6.1.66/
[13:15] <fling> very good
[13:26] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:26] <respawn> hi
[13:34] <jeremy31> fling: Debian point release is on hold because of ext4 issues in 6.1.66
[13:37] <fling> mkay
[13:42] <jeremy31> Looks like this fixes it https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git/commit/?h=v6.1.66&id=ea574927fc0bc343016ea3337fcfc0b3fb26fe08
[13:42] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Commit ea57492 in kernel/git/stable/linux.git "iomap: update ki_pos a little later in iomap_dio_complete"
[14:28] <younder> I have a plot program that insists on putting the files in /tmp. The chromium nd firefox snaps block this directory. Is there a way to get around this?
[14:43] <liebsen> Hi, what is the reason why ESC key does not close dialogs?
[14:49] <younder> Esc does close dialogs. On my machine anyhow.
[14:54] <lvsmmusic_> Can anyone check if virtualbox.org is down? I am getting a 502
[15:01] <ph88> i read here https://askubuntu.com/a/1175553 that installing linux-crashdump is a good idea. But when i install it i get this question and i am not sure whether to go ahead with the installation: if you choose this option, a system reboot will trigger a restart into a kernal loaded by kexec instead of going through he full system boot loader process.
[15:19] <fling> hmmm fs/shiftfs.c is missing from b4cde5552f2a4e0b467c7cf2913ef49b4d825188
[15:19] <fling> will have to use an older tag
[15:52] <rbox> ph88: well what are you expecting with installing it then
[15:53] <ph88> rbox, to get more information about crashes
[15:54] <rbox> and linux-crashdump sounds like it will help with that by doing exactly what you just posted...
[16:55] <cookie_> Hi
[17:08] <mort> there seems to be a ton of people with a persistent "Important OS updates have been installed" notification appearing after every single boot, and there doesn't seem like anyone has found a solution...
[17:10] <ravage> mort: was that a public service announcement or do you have an Ubuntu support question?
[17:10] <mort> ravage: well, if anyone has a solution that would be nice
[17:11] <mort> but there doesn't seem like a solution exists, which is weird
[17:11] <ravage> so you are part of that "tons of people" group?
[17:11] <mort> yeah
[17:11] <mort> it's been like this for months
[17:11] <ravage> i have never seen such a message
[17:11] <mort> I kinda would've expected it to be fixed by now
[17:12] <mort> I'm sure you're not alone in that, yet it happens to an apparently large amount of people judging by the amount of forum threads and reddit threads about it
[17:12] <kostkon> mort, how often do you reboot your system. Just wondering
[17:12] <mort> kostkon: I don't reboot often, but I boot it quite often since I turn it off at night
[17:13] <kostkon> mort, ok
[17:14] <kostkon> mort, yea mistake on my past, i meant (re)boot
[17:14] <kostkon> part*
[17:14] <mort> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1469200/how-can-i-dismiss-software-updates-installed-notification, https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2492391&p=14164927, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1469033/cant-get-rid-of-ubuntu-22-04-notification-software-updates-installed,
[17:14] <mort> https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/165n5ee/ubuntu_says_software_update_has_been_installed_on/
[17:15] <mort> sorry didn't mean to split that into two messages. Anyway that's just some of the threads about this topic, no solution seems to exist other than "uninstall gnome-software and/or snap-store"
[17:15] <leftyfb> mort: close everything and run: sudo snap refresh
[17:15] <mort> leftyfb: that just says all snaps are up to date
[17:15] <ravage> sudo snap refresh snap-store
[17:16] <mort> snap "snap-store" has no updates available
[17:17] <mort> I rebooted just now by the way after the "sudo snap refresh" and still got the notification
[17:21] <marcopolo1> snaps are giving me a headache
[17:22] <marcopolo1> when i install something that is not a snap and has to communicate with a snap it doesnt detect it in the path
[17:22] <ravage> you have to be a little more specific marcopolo1
[18:33] <Nicol> can someone help  to rest encrypted (grub) password for root on ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS
[18:41] <tomreyn> Nicol: "rest"? what's a "grub password for root"?
[18:42] <tomreyn> or rather what's an "encrypted (grub) password" - do you mean you set a password for the grub menu maybe?
[18:44] <Nicol> tomreyn : sorry it for "reset" yes, here is some information: I was configure the ubuntu 22.04 system for to require a password for authentication upon booting but when I boot I get this error. error: two arguments expected. error: can't find command grub.pbkdf2. sha512.1'•Enter username:      root Enter password: error: access denied.
[18:44] <Nicol> Failed to boot both default and fallback entries. press any key to continue
[18:45] <tomreyn> which customizations did you make to your grub configuration?
[18:49] <Nicol> To Generate an encrypted (grub) password for root with the following command:
[18:49] <Nicol>  "grub-mkpasswd-pbkdf2" and the generated hash I put here '/etc/grub.d/40_custom' and then Generate an updated "grub.conf" file with the new password by using the following command:
[18:49] <Nicol>  "sudo update-grub"
[18:52] <ioria> Nicol, if something has gone wrong, you 'll probably need a livecd , access the system and remove the offending lines in the file you edited
[18:53] <tomreyn> i'm guessing that the pbkdf2 grub module (pbkdf2.mod) is not installed in /boot/grub/x86_64-efi/
[18:54] <tomreyn> but i concur with ioria there, since you can't seem to proceed beyond the boot loader in the current boot setup
[18:56] <tomreyn> it's possible that just running   sudo grub-install   would have made pbkdf2.mod work. though you may also need to explicity have grub load the module.
[18:57] <tomreyn> i.e. you should have a "insmod pbkdf2" line somewhere
[18:57] <violetflame> tomreyn: module maybe not load until after bootloader unlocked
[18:58] <violetflame> rebuild grub include pbkdf2
[18:58] <tomreyn> well the module is going to be needed for chking the enetered password
[18:58] <Nicol> I cannot able to boot up and access to grub.
[18:58] <violetflame> must be in the binary
[18:59] <violetflame> mod maybe not load until after unlock
[18:59] <violetflame> is grub a binary?
[18:59] <violetflame> it is actual machine code
[19:00] <arraybolt3> violetflame: Pretty sure yes
[19:00] <arraybolt3> There's a bunch of different GRUB modules that are separate binaries that GRUB can load at runtime or have baked into it at *image* build time.
[19:01] <arraybolt3> You can rebuild a GRUB image without rebuilding the whole thing from source.
[19:01] <violetflame> " baked into it at *image* build time. " nic
[19:01] <violetflame> check that out
[19:02] <violetflame> it is a mschinr code payload image not quite binary right
[19:02] <tomreyn> grub certainly interprets is configuration file and loads modules before you have to enter the password. and the key derivation functionality in this module will need to be loaded from the module before the entered password can be be hashed propoerly and be compared against the hash stored on the grub configuration file.
[19:02] <tomreyn> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=pbkdf2.mod&mode=exactfilename&suite=jammy-updates&arch=any lists packages providing the module
[19:03] <tomreyn> i'd assume that Nicol is using grub-efi-arm64-bin [arm64] here.
[19:03] <violetflame> tomreyn: that sounds like something
[19:06] <tomreyn> Nicol: so get your bootable ubuntu stick and tempoarily remove the grub2 password hash / password prompt configuration so you can boot again, then install any pending updates and check whether the module is in place. if it already is, then make sure you have the insmod line on the grub configuration for it, or if it is not, then also run grub-install and check whether that places the module on /boot
[19:16] <Nicol> tomreyn : yes, and I think if I get the way to remove the  grub2 password hash / password prompt configuration it will okay since I did not change any configuration, I have two host have the same issue, the one  is the VM host and the other one is the Bare Metal server. now on the vm I mount DVD ISO image, but still not able to boot on this iso
[19:16] <Nicol> image.
[19:21] <tomreyn> Nicol: you can possibly mount the VM file system to the host and apply changes to it from there?
[19:21] <tomreyn> it's difficult to comment without any details on the virtualization and the hardware you have there
[19:26] <violetflame> Nicol: what are you trying to do?
[19:26] <Nicol> tomreyn : there any step to follow  to using bootable ubuntu stick or DVD ISO image.
[19:27] <violetflame> Nicol: did you do as I suggested and rebuild grub
[19:28] <violetflame> Nicol: you might also considering signing your build of grub
[19:29] <violetflame> modern uefi may not allow boot from USB  what is your setup Nicol
[19:33] <violetflame> you will need to run update-grub after input the hash in a peculiar place
[19:33] <Nicol> violetflame : on the VM host there is no UEFI but on the bare meta server the is UEFI.
[19:34] <tomreyn> Nicol: there can be different steps you need to take to boot ubuntu, which can differ based on which hardware and mainboard / SOC firmware you have there
[19:34] <violetflame> the config file may be picky about this setting you would put it at the top of the hierarchy
[19:34] <violetflame> without systemd config dirs
[19:35] <violetflame> this presumsbly updates the payload image which you may need to include the pbk into bevause the partition with mods is not accessible
[19:36] <violetflame> say it is ext2 boot and ext2 is a grub mod tgen you cannot load pbk mod at boot before unlo king bootloader nicol
[19:36] <violetflame> nicol privmsg me for further instruction
[19:38] <Nicol> it is ext4.
[19:38] <violetflame> can you explain your hardware situation better nicol and then recap steps taken
[19:39] <Nicol> the hardware is Dell PowerEdge R840.
[19:40] <violetflame> and do you want the bootloader on that machine?
[19:43] <Nicol> this hard ware the the ESIX host, the one have this issue is VM host.
[19:44] <violetflame> sometimes you do not use ext4 on boot bevause the journal is open so it is pointless and fsck could corrupt the kernrl image
[19:44] <Nicol> and I am accessing this one on the vCenter.
[19:45] <violetflame> Nicol: are you trying to takeover your host from inside a running virtual machine?
[19:45] <violetflame> yeah you will have problems
[19:45] <violetflame> it's made for human interface
[19:46] <violetflame> I can't support this nicol
[19:46] <violetflame> it doesn't sound right
[19:46] <violetflame> were you authorised to do this
[19:47] <violetflame> is your buddy moriarty
[19:47] <violetflame> to what end nicole
[19:47] <violetflame> what are you trying to do
[19:49] <Nicol> violetflame : let me explains you here : I was configure the ubuntu 22.04 system for to require a password for authentication upon booting but when I boot I get this error. error: two arguments expected. error: can't find command grub.pbkdf2. sha512.1'•Enter username:      root Enter password: error: access denied. Failed to boot both default and
[19:49] <Nicol> fallback entries. press any key to continue.
[19:49] <violetflame> Nicol: ahem
[19:50] <violetflame> you are describing config error
[19:50] <violetflame> I get fake support trolls
[19:50] <violetflame> you keep changing the case as you go
[19:50] <Eickmeyer> violetflame: We appreciate you offering support here, but please abide by !guidelines when doing so.
[19:50] <Eickmeyer> !guidelines | violetflame
[19:51] <violetflame> that'S why you need to put in a full request  in PM
[19:52] <violetflame> end it there you need to rerun update-grub with -c handmade config
[19:52] <violetflame> the configfile will not work from systrmd
[19:53] <violetflame> you will need a monolithic handmade config
[19:53] <violetflame> and specify it on commandline
[19:55] <Nicol> I cannot able to boot and get to the command line,its just stop to booting.
[19:57] <tomreyn> Nicol: you should seek support with getting your boot configurations working with vmware (esx/vcenter) and dell. generally, the approach you took to attempt to boot ubuntu from a virtual cd/dvd drive which you assigned the iso file to would be correct.
[19:58] <tomreyn> violetflame: please do not ask people seeking support here to send you PMs, we do support on the channel
[19:59] <tomreyn> the idea is to enable multiple people to provide support, and to prevent abuse.
[20:02] <Nicol> violetflame: I recommend you to be respectful and read the conversion history before you respond.
[20:07] <bassetts> Is there a way to install multiple packages using apt but not install recommended packages for just one of the specified packags? e.g. `apt install qemu qemu-system-x86` not installing recommended packages for just `qemu-system-x86`?
[20:07] <rbox> 2 separate commands
[20:08] <bassetts> Thought so, thanks
[20:11] <Nicol> tomreyn: could you share if you have step to boot on the DVD ISO image.
[20:13] <Eickmeyer> Nicol: Choose from the steps on the right here: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-desktop#1-overview
[20:14] <Eickmeyer> (might be different for VMware, idk)
[22:27] <brayden> a
[22:31] <Sysy> pinkle here ?
[22:33] <Sysy> Do you Know here Ubuntu Manga => Ubunchu ?
[22:33] <el> it's known to some in the community, but it's off-topic for here.
[22:36] <Sysy> ok el . i understand thank you .
[22:37] <Sysy> No translator for manga also ?=> El?
[22:38] <violetflame> do you have public log for reading the log of nicol?; which seemed to be a spurrious support request because it ignores my suggestions and sprinkles in variant spellings which pull the focus away from support. How to manage fake support requests?
[22:39] <violetflame> pls post url of public logs of this #ubuntu channel
[22:39] <violetflame> is there some kind of trigger
[22:39] <violetflame> !logs
[22:41] <Sysy> it's just ton UB 20 to 23 if i well understood. What a pity !No channel #ubunchu !?
[22:41] <el> violetflame: you appear to be assuming bad faith. people with imperfect/inconsistent spelling and who are non-fluent in english are permitted to ask questions and should not be subject to being accused of being fake or trolls because of it.
[22:42] <violetflame> yeah but it refused to take troubleshooting steps the intentional distractions were additional
[22:42] <el> also referring to people as "it" without them indicating that those pronouns are acceptable is hostile.
[22:43] <el> i suggest you check out the guidelines in the topic, and also the network's policies.
[22:43] <violetflame> why is "them" any better
[22:44] <el> because it's an established way to refer to people whose pronouns you do not know.
[22:45] <el> "it" however suggests you consider a person to be an object not a sentient sapient being.
[22:45] <violetflame> it suggests plurality when there was not any it is well established as singular pronoun
[22:45] <el> singular they predates singular you :)
[22:46] <JanC> since at least the 16th century or so IIRC, but that's all more a topic for ##English I think  :)
[22:46] <el> now i think it's time to end this conversation and for you to go off and do some research about etiquette.
[22:47] <violetflame> 'they' is a clumsy pronoun to your own ignorance the variable of possibilit-y wherase My pronoun greatly accurate with any flux of thought
[22:48] <violetflame> s/with/withoit
[22:48] <el> this conversation is over
[22:48] <violetflame> in real terms I spoke of what is you speak of what maybe
[22:48] <violetflame> guess so
[22:51] <violetflame> looking at the logs the .txt file only shows a single line but the html has it , what is going on with that
[22:52] <violetflame> suprisingly small not much support requests
[22:52] <violetflame> all day
[22:53] <violetflame> has it been that slow lately
[22:54] <Eickmeyer> !ot | violetflame
[22:56] <violetflame> so nicol tells me to read the history and there was only one more line I missed and I told her exactly what needs to be did from my own experience which is not documented on ubuntu and she ignores me and starts acting snarky yet flawed as  el
[22:58] <Eickmeyer> violetflame: I have some reading material for you, and you need to abide by it or leave.
[22:58] <Eickmeyer> !guidelines | violetflame
[22:58] <Eickmeyer> !coc | violetflame
[23:00] <violetflame> Q. can someone help  to reset encrypted (grub) password for root on ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS	A. you need to rerun update-grub with -c handmade config	the configfile will not work from systemd	 you will need a monolithic handmade config	and specify it on commandline
[23:00] <violetflame> you wont find that in the docs
[23:01] <Eickmeyer> violetflame: Please stop the monologuing rant. That goes against the guidelines, which you clearly didn't read.
[23:01] <arraybolt3> violetflame: update-grub doesn't even have a -c switch.
[23:01] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: Do not engage.
[23:02] <violetflame> arraybolt3: then how do you specify the config file
[23:02] <Eickmeyer> violetflame: Conversation is over.
[23:03] <violetflame> I wasn't actually running ubuntu to check
[23:03] <Eickmeyer> ?!?
[23:04] <Eickmeyer> 🤦
[23:04] <violetflame> usually it is -c for --config
[23:04] <Eickmeyer> violetflame: If you're going to be giving support here, you will be *representing* the Ubuntu community to people who are new to the distribution. This is why you *must* read !guidelines and abide by the Code of Conduct. Do you understand?
[23:05] <Eickmeyer> And therefore, you must be familiar with Ubuntu and understand what fundamental commands, such as `update-grub`, has. It does not have a -c or --config flag.
[23:07] <violetflame> I can't sign as we but benevolent dictator
[23:07] <violetflame> do you understand
[23:08] <Eickmeyer> You don't have to sign the Code of Conduct, but abide by it. Since you're not willing to do that...
[23:08] <Eickmeyer> !ops | violetflame not willing to abid by Code of Conduct or guidelines
[23:09] <violetflame> I can't take responsibility for your actions
[23:10] <violetflame> I brought up how to mitigate fake support requests
[23:10] <Eickmeyer> That's off-topic here.
[23:11] <violetflame> after somebody comes in and I give an answer you wouldnt be able to get
[23:13] <violetflame> bad vibes bad spirit not collaborative you do not abide
[23:14] <violetflame> !ops | Eickmeyer not willing to abid by Code of Conduct or guidelines
[23:16] <violetflame> and FYI anybody doing this start with the fat filesystem bios can read and upgrade from there until you get grub to load it right
[23:16] <violetflame> fat12 16 or 32 and efi maybe has its own fat32efi
[23:17] <violetflame> thats why I also asked for a full system report in PM
[23:18] <violetflame> you would likely use ext2 because journal wouldnt really be needed unless you were moriarty like I suggested and have no access to the hardware layer
[23:19] <violetflame> also note anybody using ext4 would likely read binary to see journal
[23:19] <violetflame> ubuntu didn't include a human interface
[23:20] <JanC> violetflame: please stop
[23:20] <violetflame> !reiser
[23:20] <violetflame> !reiser4
[23:22] <younder> lxd prefers zfs
[23:22] <violetflame> what is lxd
[23:22] <Eickmeyer> !ot
[23:22] <k4k0> hum
[23:23] <younder> https://ubuntu.com/lxd
[23:32] <el> violetflame: if you behave like that again, i'll have to remove you. final warning.
[23:47] <violetflame> I will further add for the republic record in this my context "it" as a pronoun not only is more accurate of what is rather than what maybe my use removes the pronoun from the source into lending as what is shown as a support request. "it" therefore is both the context of the support request and anysuch being having created said support request. This is to say my thoughts are not hypothetical but solid and real and accurate.
[23:48] <k4k0> violetflame stop
[23:48] <violetflame> for the record
[23:49] <violetflame> hey by the rights
[23:49] <el> buddy, i tried to help you here.
[23:57] <spicecode>  what did they get removed for
[23:57] <el> being hostile and uh... imaginative in a bad way.
[23:58] <el> also you weren't here. curious.
[23:59] <mybalzitch> curiouser and curiouser