[01:07] <lubot> [matrix] <wxl> i think i lost the context here. what's the question?
[01:13] <lubot> [matrix] <kc2bez> I think we were asking about UX for keyboard layouts
[01:13] <arraybolt3> Squish website, website gets squished
[01:15] <wxl> i'm not sure why i would be the person to decide on that
[01:17]  * arraybolt3 didn't realize this was w.r.t. a couple days ago, nvm
[01:28] <lubot> [matrix] <kc2bez> I think we just trust your sage wisdom and experience. :P
[01:28] <tsimonq2> ^^^^^^
[01:28] <wxl> that's nice, but i have like zero experience with different keyboard layouts except i know some people use them XD
[01:30] <tsimonq2> wxl: I thought you used DVORAK + foot pedal XD
[01:34]  * tsimonq2 soft-EODs o/
[07:31] <guiverc> lubuntu's minimal install can't ubuntu-bug complete; inability to xdg-open and open (null; no-browser)... that will at least (maybe) need to be documented (come release)
[09:30] <lubot> [matrix] <kc2bez> Can you file a bug with a text based browser?
[09:30]  * lubot [matrix] <arraybolt3> doubts LP will like that, but it would be cool if it worked
[09:31] <lubot> [matrix] <kc2bez> That's what I was thinking. I figured it would bomb out on the authentication.
[09:33] <lubot> [matrix] <kc2bez> Also, https://github.com/calamares/calamares/releases/tag/v3.3.0
[09:33] <lubot> [matrix] <kc2bez> Not alpha ^
[09:33] <guiverc> you used to be able to file bugs using lynx.. not sure I've done it in a few cycles though
[09:34] <lubot> [matrix] <arraybolt3> You might be able to hack it into working?
[09:34] <lubot> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Auth with FF, transfer cookie to Lynx, call it a day?
[09:35] <lubot> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Not exactly a good workaround but if one could keep the cookie on a flash drive or something, might work.
[09:36] <lubot> [matrix] <kc2bez> Well I was thinking we could ship lynx in minimal so FF wouldn't be available.
[09:39] <lubot> [matrix] <arraybolt3> What would be really cool is a reportbug-like interface to LP that was CLI/TUI based, with no browser at all.
[09:40] <lubot> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Not enough time to try and make one at this point, maybe next cycle.
[09:40] <lubot> [matrix] <kc2bez> As long as we don't resort to the Debian method of sending email directly from the box. Most ISPs block that.
[09:40] <guiverc> I suspect canonical (legal) will require browser for legal reasons relating to EU privacy  (but just suspicion)
[09:41] <lubot> [matrix] <kc2bez> I think the biggest thing is the OAUTH token.
[09:42] <RikMills> arraybolt3: there used to be python-launchpadlib-toolkit which had the lp-file-bug command
[09:42] <lubot> [matrix] <arraybolt3> I don't think LP lets you file a bug via email anyway. If it did though, all one would need is an external SMTP server, which Debian conveniently provides.
[09:42] <lubot> [matrix] <arraybolt3> perfect
[09:43] <lubot> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Dead since Bionic :(
[09:43] <lubot> [matrix] <arraybolt3> or at least since before focal
[09:43] <lubot> [matrix] <arraybolt3> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-launchpadlib-toolkit
[09:44] <lubot> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Oh wait, it's not dead?
[09:45] <lubot> [matrix] <arraybolt3> It's in Bazaar, code activity present in 2023
[09:45] <RikMills> I did say used to be
[09:45] <RikMills> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-launchpadlib-toolkit/+bug/1854972
[09:45] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1854972 in python-launchpadlib-toolkit (Ubuntu) "RM: python-launchpadlib-toolkit: python2-only, Ubuntu-specific, depends on removed python-launchpadlib, no other reverse-dependencies" [Undecided, Fix Released]
[09:45] <lubot> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Looks like bdmurray may have tried to resurrect it in August, after it has been stagnant since 2013.
[09:46] <RikMills> ooh
[09:49] <lubot> [matrix] <kc2bez> The last time I used that I had to authenticate using Firefox :D
[09:49] <arraybolt3> Just pinged him to see what's happening there.
[09:49] <arraybolt3> The commit message looked very hopeful.
[09:49] <lubot> [matrix] <arraybolt3> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~arsenal-devel/lpltk/2.x/revision/202
[09:50]  * arraybolt3 switches chat clients on the same machine over and over for no good reason :P
[09:50] <lubot> [telegram] <RikMills> easy to do
[09:50] <lubot> [telegram] <RikMills> ;)
[09:53] <lubot> [matrix] <kc2bez> For context I was using the lp-election-helper which uses the python libs https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/how-to-create-an-election/1387
[13:51] <tsimonq2> $ dpkg --compare-versions 3.3.0-0ubuntu1 gt 3.3.0-alpha6-0ubuntu2 && echo "Condition met" || echo "Condition not met"
[13:51] <tsimonq2> Condition not met
[13:51] <tsimonq2> $ dpkg --compare-versions 3.3.0.0-0ubuntu1 gt 3.3.0-alpha6-0ubuntu2 && echo "Condition met" || echo "Condition not met"
[13:51] <tsimonq2> Condition met
[13:51] <tsimonq2> "gt" = "greater than"
[14:01] <tsimonq2> W: calamares source: superfluous-file-pattern 3rdparty/kdsingleapplicationguard/* [debian/copyright:232]                                                                    
[14:01] <tsimonq2> W: calamares source: superfluous-file-pattern lang/calamares_i18n.qrc.in [debian/copyright:60]                                                                              
[14:01] <tsimonq2> W: calamares source: superfluous-file-pattern src/modules/localeq/img/chevron-left-solid.svg [debian/copyright:268]
[14:01] <tsimonq2> bah
[14:02] <lubot> [telegram] <Люнесса> Ребят, привет!❤️ Хочу от себя порекомендовать отличный вид деятельности (P2P-трейдинг). Сфера новая и прибыльная. Вот мой наставник (https://t.me/GeorgiycrptoB), он отлично всё объясняет и помогает выйти на доход уже на обучении. Я пришла к нему с 0-в
[14:02] <lubot> [telegram] <Люнесса> Он тебя тоже всему научит и поможет заработать. Его интерес — это % от прибыли. 
[14:02] <lubot> [telegram] <Люнесса> Вот ещё его канал (https://t.me/crypto_vers_gr) , там всё тоже подробно рассказывается о механике
[14:03] <lubot> [telegram] <tsimonq2> ta
[14:03] <lubot> [telegram] <RikMills> np
[14:03] <tsimonq2> QA testers be aware: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares/3.3.0.0-0ubuntu1
[14:04] <tsimonq2> I'll wait for that to build/publish in proposed, but I have a cala-settings-ubuntu upload following which changes the icon to our own Special Fancy one (as announced).
[14:05] <tsimonq2> I'm unclear on whether we need to no-change rebuild cala-settings-ubuntu every time we do a major Calamares upload. We should eventually figure that out. :P
[14:07] <tsimonq2> TBH... QML is really nice, but it should probably be moved to a dedicated .ui file...
[14:07] <tsimonq2> Would make the Customize menu scale better. If y'all take a look at the 9to5Linux screenshot, there's a loooooooooooooot of empty whitespace.
[14:07] <tsimonq2> That being said, on my VM, it looks fine, heh.
[14:37] <tsimonq2> #debian-qt-kde on OFTC is a pretttty good channel to be in.
[14:37] <tsimonq2> Specifically: https://salsa.debian.org/qt-kde-team/kde-6-planning/-/issues/2
[14:37] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Issue 2 in qt-kde-team/kde-6-planning "KF6 source package names" [Opened]
[14:37] <tsimonq2> And: https://salsa.debian.org/qt-kde-team/kde-6-planning/-/issues/1
[14:37] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Issue 1 in qt-kde-team/kde-6-planning "Gitlab repo structure" [Opened]
[14:37] <tsimonq2> Which we'll need for 24.10 Qt 6 stuff.
[14:38] <tsimonq2> I completely agree with RikMills in this: we need to follow the same package naming scheme as Debian, to prevent future conflicts, even *IF!!!!!!!!* that means we have to go ahead of Debian.
[14:38] <tsimonq2> And that's a huge "if."
[14:39] <tsimonq2> Anyway, arraybolt3, kc2bez, @wxl, Eickmeyer I'm specifically interested in your feedback on the above, if you have any.
[14:46] <lubot> [telegram] <RikMills> I would say essential to be honest. I can't count the number of times it has been helpful to be there (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> #debian-qt-kde on OFTC is a pretttty good channel to be in.)
[14:46] <tsimonq2> ^^^^^^
[14:46] <tsimonq2> The Debian Qt KDE Team is awesome.
[14:47] <tsimonq2> Also, unlike Libera.Chat, OFTC still has full Matrix bridging :P
[15:30] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: Agreed.
[18:39] <arraybolt3> Anyone know of a way to pin every single binary package built from a certain source package? Ideally I'd like to pin the entire gcc-13 package to an older version in /etc/apt/preferences.d. (Trying to see if a new compiler broke things.)
[18:40] <tsimonq2> FYI for QA testers: 20231212 does *not* have the new Calamares, I just kicked off a new respin. In 20231212.1 you should expect a Calamares version change.
[18:41] <tsimonq2> 39 16 * * *for-project lubuntu cron.daily-live --live
[18:41] <arraybolt3> I guess an apt hold might work in a pinch
[18:41] <tsimonq2> [ ]noble-desktop-amd64.iso2023-12-12 16:54 
[18:41] <tsimonq2> 54-39 is what, 15 minutes between start and finish?
[18:42] <tsimonq2> The cronjob which grabs the retry requests runs every 5 minutes - so let's assume 15-20 minutes for a new ISO, as an absolute minimum.
[18:43] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Not 100% sure, but you could either pin a core package that pulls in all the others, or bisect apt list --installed and the list of binary packages.
[18:43] <tsimonq2> #ubuntu probably has a better answer on that *specific* one
[20:03] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: If you ever get bored and want to context switch: https://salsa.debian.org/qt-kde-team/issue-tracker/-/issues/70
[20:03] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: ^^^^
[20:04] <arraybolt3> 404 Page not found
[20:04] <tsimonq2> waaaaaaaaaaat
[20:04] <tsimonq2> hm
[20:04] <tsimonq2> Are you logged into Salsa?
[20:04] <arraybolt3> No
[20:04] <tsimonq2> That'll ptobably do it heh
[20:05] <arraybolt3> (Also my day is packed - satpy merge and fix, qtilitools and picom-conf Debian work, I need to reinstall a desktop and get a ZFS backup system working again, and stuff like that.)
[20:06] <arraybolt3> and openMSX, forgot about that one
[20:07] <arraybolt3> and the ciso maintainer in Debian wants to know if I'd like to be a comaintainer, don't know how to answer that :P
[20:07] <tsimonq2> Sounds like your hands certainly are full :)
[20:08] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: I'd say yes lol
[20:08] <arraybolt3> hah
[20:15] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Anyway, I'm grabbing a package or two from the Qt 6 list.
[20:15] <arraybolt3> +1
[20:16] <tsimonq2> You would hate me if I ever asked you to do copyright on *any* Qt 6 source. :P
[20:21] <lubot> [telegram] <Leokolb> running @tsimonq2 install with new calamares..
[20:21] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> running: tactical strike on Discourse server.  (Reboot in progress!)
[20:22] <lubot> [telegram] <tsimonq2> /me installs @teward001 into /dev/null
[20:22]  * arraybolt3 enables shields on discourse.lubuntu.me
[20:22] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> error: missing universe: discourse_host_system
[20:22] <lubot> [telegram] <Leokolb> First install new cala finished and looks ok so far
[20:22] <arraybolt3> virsh gen-universe discourse_host_system
[20:23] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> Execution error: Input/Output error (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3> virsh gen-universe discourse_host_system)
[20:23] <arraybolt3> sudo rm /var/output-blocker
[20:23] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> no seriously though i'm rebooting the baremetal system I have Discourse on because i'm trying to unfudge some Bridge tom-foolery right now to make it work proper with KVM stuff
[20:23] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> so either it works, or it breaks and I revert the networking
[20:23] <arraybolt3> Sounds good, you know what you're doing :)
[20:24]  * arraybolt3 fiddles with Ubuntu Server trying to make a VM that can run Wine that can be SSH'd into with X forwarding so I can run theWord on a severely underpowered Chromebook by running it on my powerful laptop
[20:39] <tsimonq2> Okay, qt6-sensors uploaded to Experimental. I might do one or two a day to start, just to get my Qt packaging skills back to par.
[20:40]  * tsimonq2 works on $dayjob but is around to answer pings
[20:59] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: I logged into salsa, 404
[21:00] <Eickmeyer> (I'm not on the qt-kde-team, might be why)
[21:00] <Eickmeyer> I'm strictly on the multimedia-team
[21:14] <RikMills> 404 viewing what?
[21:15] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> 404 viewing what?  If you aren't given access to a repo and it's private/delegated/etc. then you have to be given access (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: I logged into salsa, 404)
[21:15] <lubot> [telegram] <Eickmeyer> I know. @tsimonq2 wanted me to look at https://salsa.debian.org/qt-kde-team/issue-tracker/-/issues/70 (re @teward001: 404 viewing what?  If you aren't given access to a repo and it's private/delegated/etc. then you have to be given access)
[21:16] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> ye it's locked out
[21:16] <lubot> [telegram] <Eickmeyer> I was merely reporting that I don't have access.
[21:16] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> so @tsimonq2 you have failed
[21:16] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> :P
[21:16] <lubot> [telegram] <Eickmeyer> RikMills ^
[21:18] <lubot> [telegram] <RikMills> I know. Was asking which issue, as some mentioned earlier are definitely public (re @teward001: 404 viewing what?  If you aren't given access to a repo and it's private/delegated/etc. then you have to be given access)
[21:18] <lubot> [telegram] <Eickmeyer> https://salsa.debian.org/qt-kde-team/issue-tracker/-/issues/70 (re @RikMills: I know. Was asking which issue, as some mentioned earlier are definitely public)
[21:20] <lubot> [telegram] <RikMills> Yeah, I can see that, but not if logged out
[21:21] <lubot> [telegram] <Eickmeyer> I can't see it even if logged-in, so it likely requires team membership.
[21:23] <lubot> [telegram] <RikMills> Yeah, I was added as a member some while back
[21:30] <lubot> [telegram] <RikMills> I guess you have to be the owner of the issue to change perms