[00:37] <quidnunc> After upgrading to 23.10 thumbnails aren't created for some videos anymore. How do I debug this?
[00:52] <pragmaticenigma> quidnunc: I'd start with making sure the codec packages are installed
[00:52] <iconoclast_hero> # In general, the magic SysRq key is not needed for the average Ubuntu # system, and having it enabled by default can lead to security issues on # the console such as being able to dump memory or to kill arbitrary # processes including the running screen lock.
[00:53] <iconoclast_hero> so assuming that all of the physical machines are protected by a pack of hungry guard dogs, that shoot bees out of their mouths, what security concerns am I likely to encounter?
[00:55] <iconoclast_hero> because if there are no security concerns about this from a non-local user, I'm not especially concerned about anyone being able to know what to do with a memory dump (I don't have a screen lock on my desktop), being able to get past the bees and dogs, and having the opportunity and motive.
[01:19] <tomreyn> iconoclast_hero: this is probably less so about physical security, and more about both other legitimate users on your system, as well as about software with malicious or unintended functionality / bahvior.
[01:21] <tomreyn> if you want to apply changes, see the kernel.sysrq setting in /etc/sysctl.conf and the notes about it there
[01:22] <iconoclast_hero> the quote above is from /etc/sysctl.conf/10-magicsysreq...
[01:22] <tomreyn> (and i do not claim to know / understand the full set of risks you'd expose your system to by changing these)
[01:22] <tomreyn> ah maybe it's actually different on ubuntu, sorry, i'm on debian currently
[01:22] <iconoclast_hero> ok
[01:23] <tomreyn> this is what it says there: https://termbin.com/a1ca
[01:24] <iconoclast_hero> https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/138658/how-can-the-magic-sysrq-key-be-dangerous-for-linux-users
[01:25] <pragmaticenigma> what would concern me is the concept of virtual keyboards. or software that can emulate/inject keypresses. offering the ability for a program to "press" the button in software and thus trigger any action associated to the sysrq key.
[01:26] <pragmaticenigma> really I see no reason to turn it on, unless your doing some lowlevel programming and need access to the resources made available by activation of that feature
[01:28] <iconoclast_hero> well i needed it today.
[01:28] <iconoclast_hero> and  it didn't work.
[01:29] <iconoclast_hero> but i think that's because i forgot to use the function key.  but since ctrl-alt-F7 didn't take me to the console, it was definitely locked up
[01:29] <iconoclast_hero> it does appear that if you have sudo access you can send they key combos directly to something.
[01:29] <iconoclast_hero> but if you have sudo access then that's the lease of my concerns.
[01:33] <pragmaticenigma> iconoclast_hero: I would recommend using Ctrl + Alt + F2 or F3 ... F7 used to be tied to graphical session, though Ubuntu has moved that to F1, I'm not 100% sure F7 was mapped to a terminal session
[01:46] <tomreyn> i think tty6 would be the last tty by default (so usually F6 with gnome-shell / mutter and KMS)
[01:46] <tomreyn> ctrl + alt + F7 should still switch to a black screen, though, if things have not locked up.
[02:00] <pragmaticenigma> that's what I was thinking
[03:19] <ecapi> GET YOUR HANDS OFF ME YOU DAMN DIRTY APE
[03:23] <arraybolt3> ecapi: wrong channel?
[03:29] <iconoclast_hero> tomreyn...  ok i usually just start hitting f keys until something opens.
[03:30] <iconoclast_hero> f7 is blank, f2 gets me back here, f1 gets me a lock screen i think
[08:49] <pydev1> hello
[08:50] <pydev1> i need to: 1. create an user that can access the server via ssh  2. i would like to chroot that user to avoid moving around the system
[08:50] <pydev1> is that possible somehow?
[08:50] <pydev1> i mean if i set /home/user1
[08:51] <pydev1> i do not what that user go outside /home/user1
[08:51] <pydev1> possible?
[08:53] <stenno> pydev1: yes, its called 'chroot jail'
[08:54] <stenno> please note that it does not give you any actual security though
[08:54] <stenno> so that with enough (criminal?) energy, people can break out of those jails
[09:00] <ecapi> stenno, do you have any scientic journals you can reference on that?
[09:00] <stenno> reference to what?
[09:00] <stenno> why chroot jails are no real security?
[09:00] <ecapi> breaking out of chroot jails
[09:01] <stenno> https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/chroot-security-feature
[09:01] <ecapi> blogs arent science
[09:01] <stenno> Money quote: It is not hard to consider the chroot() system call a security feature. In theory, it sounds great, but if you really take the time to understand what is going on, it is not really a security feature, it is closer to what we would call a hardening feature. It might slow down an attacker, but in most situations it is not going to stop them.
[09:02] <stenno> redhat developer blog is not 'scientific' enough?
[09:02] <ecapi> nope, just redhat propaganda
[09:02] <stenno> it explains how to do it
[09:02] <stenno> lmao
[09:05] <stenno> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot
[09:08] <ecapi> i want peer reviewed scientifc studies in which group of hacker particapents successfully break jail roots in both real systems and placebo systems
[09:09] <stenno> http://sunsite.uakom.sk/sunworldonline/swol-08-1999/swol-08-security.html
[09:09] <stenno> ok you could also just read the articles and do some research
[09:09] <stenno> but you are apparently not in the mood for that
[09:09] <stenno> and i am not going to do more work for you
[09:10] <stenno> idk if you are trolling or whatever your agenda is
[09:11] <ecapi> if you dont know dont answer, the last thing we need on the internet is hunches and guesses
[09:12] <stenno> i do know and i did answer
[09:12] <stenno> feel free to assume that chroot jails are totally safe and a super security feature, disregarding everything that was written
[09:12] <stenno> but it is not the reality
[09:18] <pydev1> stenno, pardon i am back
[09:18] <pydev1> hmmm what do you mean exactly?
[09:18] <pydev1> is it a jail or not :D ?
[09:18] <stenno> it is a jail with holes
[09:18] <stenno> well-known security issues for the last 30 years
[09:18] <stenno> it's not a security feature
[09:19] <pydev1> stenno, ok so another solution ?
[09:19] <pydev1> docker container?
[09:19] <stenno> to be honest, i don't know what a good solution for this is
[09:20] <stenno> i only know that chroot jail isn't it, if you don't trust the people logging onto your system enough
[09:20] <stenno> docker container is probably even worse than chroot jail
[09:20] <pydev1> i think that a system where multiple users ccan acces is quite usual :) i cant believe there is no solution for that.
[09:21] <stenno> we use chroot jails in production too, but we know our customers
[09:21] <pydev1> i know user, i just would block them running rm -r /
[09:21] <pydev1> :D
[09:22] <pydev1> stenno, i know that user too, how can i enable that chroot?
[09:22] <stenno> google 'ubuntu chroot jail'
[09:22] <stenno> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot
[09:24] <pydev1> stenno, ok but i would like to understand how can i "assign" a chroot to an user
[09:29] <stenno> pydev1: if you want to solve a problem, how do you approach it?
[09:29] <pydev1> during the creation of that user should i just set the homedire to the chroot env ?
[09:31] <pydev1> https://www.tecmint.com/restrict-ssh-user-to-directory-using-chrooted-jail/
[09:31] <pydev1> reading
[09:31] <stenno> basedir, yeah
[09:34] <stenno> the instructions on that page look like the one i have followed too
[09:35] <pydev1> i searched: assing chroot jail to user
[09:35] <pydev1> ahahahahah
[09:46] <antonispgs> so on a fresh 23.10 install, app center does not show installed apps and there is no installed apps tab any idea why?
[11:41] <loswedseded> ffmpeg cut a mkv file according to instructions: -ss 00:01:26 -to 00:52:24 -c copy output.mkv, but the first 8 seconds of the resulting file include just audio. This never happened before. Why now?
[13:12] <Guest44> Hello, any idea what in Ubuntu 23.10 might cause it to send IPV6-ICMP traffic to itself once in 1-2min ? I shut all programs and it keeps happening
[13:12] <Guest44> same SRC/DST
[13:12] <Habbie> what's the src/dst?
[13:13] <Guest44> same source/destination
[13:13] <Habbie> yes, which one?
[13:13] <Guest44> I am just getting alert:[1:527:8] BAD-TRAFFIC same SRC/DST [**] [Classification: Potentially Bad Traffic] [Priority: 2] {IPV6-ICMP} :: -> ff02::16
[13:13] <Habbie> that's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicast_Listener_Discovery
[13:15] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:15] <pragmaticenigma> Guest44: You could install something like nethogs to see what applications are sending and receiving network traffic. My guess is it's something like cups-browsed, avahi, or some other service that is performing a zeroconf scan of the network
[13:16] <Habbie> in this specific case i suspect it's the kernel itself
[13:16] <Habbie> in general, pragmaticenigma's advice is great :)
[13:18] <Guest44> pragmaticenigma Habbie yea it seems to be /usr/sbin/NetworkManager
[13:18] <Guest44> or ? root unknown TCP
[13:18] <Habbie> multicast traffic usually is not TCP
[13:19] <Guest44> Habbie so its is the NetworkManager ?
[13:19] <Habbie> yes, or the kernel, perhaps because of something that NetworkManager configured in the kernel
[13:19] <Habbie> is this a router?
[13:19] <Guest44> my pc
[13:22] <Guest44> hmm... im not sure if nethogs sees it
[13:22] <Guest44> while snort alerts of it
[13:22] <Guest44> does nethogs see if src/dst is same?
[13:22] <Guest44> unless its delayed by like 15s
[13:23] <Guest44> but delay is 1s i think, so it cant be NetworkManager then
[13:23] <pragmaticenigma> Guest44: I think you might need to read up on the documentation for snort. I'm guessing it's set to defaults which are usually way too sensitive
[13:24] <pragmaticenigma> specifically with IPv6 traffic
[13:27] <Guest44> the ruleset is for https://www.snort.org/rule_docs/1-527  with "No known false positives"
[13:28] <Guest44> [1:527:8]
[13:28] <Guest44> unless  Ive misunderstood something
[13:28] <Guest44> I guess the newer version has removed this in 3.0 im using 2.9
[13:51] <nsaunders> how do I know what software is listening to port 25 on localhost?  https://pastebin.com/cEybktsr
[13:51] <mbeierl_> sudo netstat -napt | grep LISTEN | grep 25
[13:52] <leftyfb> nsaunders: sudo lsof -i :25
[13:53] <ogra> for netstat you might need to install the net-tools package FWIW
[13:53] <ogra> (i dont think it is pre-installed anymore)
[13:53] <mbeierl> ya, I forgot about -i in lsof. Much easier
[13:54] <nsaunders> thanks guys
[13:56] <nsaunders> okay, can I track down what's listening?  I'm trying to figure what I'm using form SMTP because that should help me find some e-mails fetchmail has stored...   https://pastebin.com/YKnqm6Rg
[13:57] <leftyfb> it gives you a PID
[13:57] <leftyfb> readlink -f /proc/pid/<pid>
[13:59] <nsaunders> thx
[13:59] <ogra> or in netstat: sudo netstat -tulpn | grep LISTEN| grep ":25 "
[13:59] <ogra> that prints the app name directly
[13:59] <ogra> (un the last column)
[13:59] <ogra> *on the lst ...
[13:59] <leftyfb> or lsof -p <PID> | grep cwd
[14:00] <nsaunders> leftyfb: no results on readlink https://pastebin.com/9G1ZXAJD
[14:01] <nsaunders> postfix
[14:01] <nsaunders> leftyfb: thx
[14:02] <nsaunders> okay, so, if postfix is being used for smtp, and fetchmail is saving e-mails to postfix, wouldn't they be in /var/spool/ or similar?  I couldn't find them there.
[14:03] <mybalzitch> or /var/mail
[14:04] <leftyfb> nsaunders: fetchmail isn't "saving email to postfix". Postfix is an MTA. Fetchmail is basically an email client
[14:04] <nsaunders> mybalzitch: yeah, nothing there.  the log shows fetchmail reading mail, but it never explicitly says "saved to folder xyz"
[14:05] <leftyfb> unless you have fetchmail configured to forward email by writing to postfix directly, which, don't do that
[14:05] <nsaunders> leftyfb: right, pardon.
[14:05] <nsaunders> no, just using fetchmail out of the box.  I'm half inclined to remove postfix as I don't use it so far as I know.
[14:05] <leftyfb> nsaunders: if you want to send email, then you need something like postfix
[14:06] <leftyfb> if you just want to retrieve email, then you don't need postfix
[14:06] <nsaunders> nah, not looking to send mail (well, using IMAP for that.)  I'm going to remove postfix then.
[14:07] <nsaunders> lsof shows nothing on port 25 now.
[14:08] <ogra> so you scared away shy postfix by looking at it too much 😉
[14:08] <nsaunders> lol.  no, it scared me.
[14:08] <leftyfb> they removed it because it's not needed to retrieve email
[14:08] <nsaunders> SMTP transaction error while fetching from saunders.nicholas@gmail.com@imap.gmail.com and delivering to SMTP host localhost          <--- new error I think.
[14:08] <leftyfb> that's what a client is for, not an MTA
[14:09] <leftyfb> nsaunders: https://www.fetchmail.info/fetchmail-FAQ.html#I9
[14:09] <nsaunders> can I just specify a folder or file to fetchmail so it saves explicitly somewhere?  I'll checkout this link.
[14:10] <leftyfb> nsaunders: that's done through your ~/.fetchmailrc
[14:11] <nsaunders> I'm using 2FA so have an "app" password for google.  works fine with Pine e-mail.  From logs, fetchmail was logging into gmail fine.
[14:11] <nsaunders> leftyfb: can you point me in the right direction on the .fetchmailrc and specifying a target folder?
[14:15] <leftyfb> nsaunders: check ~/Maildir/
[14:15] <leftyfb> I'm not that familiar with fetchmail to be honest
[14:16] <leftyfb> looks like it might actually prefer a local MTA for it to write to
[14:16] <leftyfb> nsaunders: what is your end goal here? Are you just looking for an email client?
[14:17] <nsaunders> https://pastebin.com/5Jtih3fv             trying to download mail for backup
[14:17] <nsaunders> from that log it looks to connect fine but is giving errors about the localhost
[14:19] <leftyfb> nsaunders: use procmail to store it locally
[14:19] <leftyfb> https://stelfox.net/blog/2013/11/backing-up-gmail-with-fetchmail/
[14:25] <riley_> Hi everyone, I'm trying to "Learn Kubernetes the Harder Way" via https://github.com/ghik/kubernetes-the-harder-way/blob/main/docs/01_Learning_How_to_Run_VMs_with_QEMU.md and come seeking insight. The author of the article is on a MAC and I'm on Ubuntu Jammy, so my qemu commands are a bit different than theirs. The confusion I'm running into is that while the author sees a TEXT-DRAWN grub and gets right into a login prompt, I see a GRAPHICAL grub and when I
[14:25] <riley_> select "try or install", it just hangs. I've found that I can include `-device virtio-gpu-pci` to allow the graphical stuff to work, but I'm really interested to find out why the text-drawn grub menu doesn't show up and would like to know what I need to do to make it so. Fingers crossed.
[14:25] <riley_> I have a pastebin here of the qemu command I'm using: https://pastebin.com/3w2se0cv
[14:28] <nsaunders> leftyfb: thx
[14:28] <ecapi> is ubuntu the most common linux distro in use today?
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> ecapi: we told you before, we dont take polls here
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> !guidelines | ecapi
[14:30] <ecapi> how is that a poll?
[14:30] <leftyfb> ecapi: feel free to have discussions in #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss
[14:44] <cahoots_> hi, what's the lowest latency way of remapping keys (e.g., up arrow key -> r_ctrl) for ubuntu 22.04?
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> cahoots_: there's a handy app called input-remapper on the repos
[14:55] <cahoots_> lotuspsychje, that one works, although my ui feels sluggish and i'm not sure whether it's due to the remapper or not. so i'm curious if there are other ways
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> i tester the remapper, works fine, a sluggish desktop is probably something else to find a root cause cahoots_
[15:00] <armadefuego1> there is the possibility to remap below the UI, (Wayland, or X)
[15:08] <pragmaticenigma> armadefuego1: The suggestions provided to you are usually making those changes to the lower levels
[15:09] <armadefuego1> Yes. i guess its not just "point and click", but, if latency_is_ the issue then it _should_ solve that.
[15:12] <pragmaticenigma> oh, sorry armadefuego1 ... I got you mixed with the OP. You are correct though, there is a way
[15:13] <pragmaticenigma> just going beyond a configuration tool, greatly increases the chance of making life very difficult for fixing a misconfiguration
[15:18] <cahoots_> why would i be using linux if i didn't want to make life difficult
[15:18] <cahoots_> armadefuego1, what would you recommend specifically for X
[15:23] <armadefuego1> there are a few i have little experience in them.
[15:23] <armadefuego1> loadkeys?
[15:23] <armadefuego1> keybd?
[15:23] <ph88> Could anyone help me to get irfanview running? The launcher is now showing up and when i try to launch it with the terminal i get this https://bpa.st/GHQA
[15:25] <leftyfb> !wine | ph88
[15:29] <armadefuego1> pragmaticenigma: greatly increases is an understatement!
[15:33] <mxia> Anyone recently experienced "UBSAN: array-index-out-of-bounds" bug in the kernel similar to this report? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-signed-hwe-6.2/+bug/2039409  I wonder if anyone tried a successful downgrade to workaround this regression
[15:33] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2039409 in linux-signed-hwe-6.2 (Ubuntu) "System freezes with UBSAN: array-index-out-of-bounds in iwlwifi code" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[15:43] <leftyfb> mxia: you might try asking in #ubuntu-kernel
[15:45] <mxia> leftyfb: thx let me do that
[15:55] <cahoots_> armadefuego1, ty
[16:17] <antonispgs> are there people that actually use the interim releases for home use and upgrade every 6 months or is that for testing only?
[16:17] <tomreyn> there certainly are those who do.
[16:19] <antonispgs> is it viable, i keep hearing fedora people do that (since there is no LTS) but rarely do you use someone passionately do that with Ubuntu. It's mostly LTS users out there
[16:23] <juan> it may be viable for you (or not) depending on your requirements and how comfortable you are with faster updates
[16:44] <wuy26> hi you
[17:59] <armadefuego1> antonispgs: I, personally, use interim releases, at least on a few of my machines. It depends on how cutting edge i can afford to be on that machine. New features are _usually_ good. I tend to stay away from them on _always available_ machines.
[18:32] <howudodat> having a bit of an issue with my HP 451dn color laser printer.  The test pages print fine but anything that I color as brown on my screen prints purple on the printer.  reds yellows and oranges all seem to print fine so I suspect it might have to do with the color profile
[18:39] <ioria> howudodat, what apckage have you installed ?
[18:40] <kalen22> having trouble installing and using steam.  brand new 22.04 install.  it installs but doesnt show the window for more than 0.1 second.  it just flashes on and off.
[18:41] <pragmaticenigma> kalen22: have you switch modes to X.org instead of wayland?
[18:41] <kalen22> pragmaticenigma, thats a good idea i actually did try it.. i logged out and chose X11, and went back in but that didnt help
[18:42] <kalen22> this is an AMD ryzen 9 system with the b660
[18:44] <kalen22> it relaunches every 5 seconds, shows for .1 second (blank window) and closes
[18:45] <kalen22> the vkcube test runs ok so i assume the 3D driver is good; its using an AMD accelerated one which i believe i've used before on another board.  soemthing tells me its config-based, and perhaps i need to reinstall while on x11 or something
[18:46] <kalen22> i installed from a dpkg and im unaware of how to uninstall it.  'steam' is not an app i can remove with apt
[19:08] <tomreyn> kalen22: if you installed with dpkg you'd be able to uninstall it with apt. also with dpkg.
[19:16] <tomreyn> howudodat: do the colors on your test pages match exactly those framing the 2nd diagnostics page here? https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Printer-Ink-Cartridges-Print-Quality/M451DN-Color-Calibration/m-p/8332779/highlight/true#M41827
[19:16] <oehman> karlen22 uninstall it from ubuntu software manager... Scroll down on installed software and select the knogweel.
[19:21] <tomreyn> howudodat: if any colors are missing on the left or bottom line then you have a broken color cartridge (likely a physical issue). if none are missing but any colors look differently on the right or bottom line, it's an issue with color calibration. if one or more colors are off on the right hand column *only* then it's a (different) software issue, driver or application.
[19:32] <howudodat> ok, after I uncrossed my eyes looking at all those squares, none are missing.  left and bottom are fine, along the right purple are all fine, red is fine, the lighter red and orange are more like deep pink and pink, the 3rd green down is more like blue and the 4th is like a really pale blue
[19:36] <tomreyn> howudodat: looks like there's an issue with mixing in yellow then
[19:36] <tomreyn> but if the yellow is fine on the left and bottom then it's a software or drvier issue
[19:36] <howudodat> yeah that's what I thought too as brown is made from mixing in yellow.  This is the image I'm testing with https://imgur.com/a/JhPqVUX on the left is gimp, on the right is libre using the same hex colors
[19:38] <tomreyn> gimp can convert between RGB and CMYK, i think, might reveal somethnig. but i'm not sure how t continue debugging. make sure the printer firmware is up to date, hplib is, and that you're actually using that driver series.
[19:40] <howudodat> I just upgraded hplip to the latest.  not quite sure where the driver is coming from as I cant seem to find any through the gnome printer settings
[19:41] <tomreyn> http://localhost:631/admin is usually the better UI
[19:43]  * arraybolt3 seriously does not understand why on earth CUPS chooses to make its administration UI available as a local web server
[19:43] <tomreyn> maybe because it runs a web server for ipp already
[19:44] <pragmaticenigma> that was my assumption on CUPS being accessable through a webservice
[19:45] <pragmaticenigma> enterprises usually had/have shared printers, before jet direct and other networking built into the printer, you'd litterally have to have a computer attached to the printer.
[19:49] <howudodat> so it appears that the printer is using a postscript driver instead of PCL.  however when I use cups to admin, it is unable to get a list of printer drivers
[19:52] <pragmaticenigma> howudodat: If it is an HP printer, I believe you have to use the hplib to get it setup and regsitered. My hp printer is never found with cups, I always have to use hplib (and sometimes they omit my printer from their package)
[19:52] <howudodat> hplib or hplip?
[19:53] <tomreyn> hplib
[19:53] <pragmaticenigma> lip
[19:53] <tomreyn> really? hmm
[19:54] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn: either that I'm just so unfortunate to have a printer that CUPS refuses to find drivers for
[19:54] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma is right
[19:54] <tomreyn> "hp linux imaging and printing"
[19:55] <tomreyn> i was thinking it referred to "library"
[19:56] <pragmaticenigma> I'm a software developer things that end with "li_" have muscle memory to put a "b" on the end
[19:58] <tomreyn> i'll try to remember this as "hplip is not just lip service"
[19:59] <pragmaticenigma> (it often feels that way though)
[19:59] <pragmaticenigma> *from hp
[19:59] <tomreyn> still one of the better supported brands, for a long time.
[19:59] <CosmicDJ> friends don't let friends by HP printers
[19:59] <CosmicDJ> b+u+y
[20:01] <pragmaticenigma> what is the user account tied to the web admin for cups? I thought a sudo user should be able to login
[20:02] <pragmaticenigma> oh... I had the wrong username... nm
[21:36] <ice9> I installed the camera app "snapshot" via flatpack but it say "no camera found", any idea?
[21:37] <frib> I'm trying to extend a raid0 array from 4->5 drives with `mdadm --grow /dev/md0 --raid-devices=5 --add /dev/nvme1n1` and it tells me mdadm: /dev/md0: could not set level to raid4
[21:37] <pragmaticenigma> flatpack by default run in a sandbox environemnt. You need to enable access to the software
[21:37] <nshire> ice9, try lsusb and see if it's there
[21:37] <pragmaticenigma> ice9: I recommend installing flatseal which allows you to manage security permissions for installed flatpack packages
[21:41] <ice9> nshire, pragmaticenigma the camera device is there and I enabled camera access in flatseal but still doesn't see it
[21:51] <pragmaticenigma> With the app being so very new, it's possible the current release has a bug in it. I'm really not sure where to go from here or where you might find support for Gnome desktop apps
[21:53] <pragmaticenigma> ice9: ^ ^
[21:54] <ice9> pragmaticenigma, thanks, do you recommend any other camera app?
[21:54] <arraybolt3> Is Cheese sufficient?
[21:54] <arraybolt3> Also bear in mind that Flatpak's are essentially the same as PPA's, i.e. not officially supported here.
[21:55] <tomreyn> frib: a raid-0 with 5 devices means ^4 probability of data loss. are you sure you want this?
[21:57] <tomreyn> if you really wanted to (probably a bad idea), you'd need to --stop then --assemble  or --manage, not --grow, i think
[21:57] <pragmaticenigma> ice9: I really don't. Mostly because I don't know what purpose these kind of apps provide to you. Cheese and others are stuck in a computer, that doesn't seem like an effective way to take a picture
[23:06] <joe123> How do I stop having the folders of my home directory from showing on my desktop?
[23:07] <leftyfb> joe123: undo the changes you made to ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
[23:08] <joe123> I haven't knowingly made any changes there
[23:14] <joe123> leftyfb: In fact I looked for the /.config folder and I don't see it. BTW I'm running Ubuntu 23.10
[23:15] <leftyfb> joe123: I didn't tell you to look in /config. That directory doesn't exist by default
[23:16] <leftyfb> sorry, nor did I mention /.config
[23:16] <leftyfb> joe123: please look in ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs   specifically, XDG_DESKTOP_DIR=
[23:17] <joe123> You're right. I tried to see if I could find that file and open it in nano to read what might have changed and cannot find it
[23:18] <leftyfb> joe123: if you don't have ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs then you're not running Ubuntu. You do realize ~ is your home directory right? If you run "nano ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs" it should work
[23:20] <joe123> leftyfb: I found it by entering what you said. What line is causing this behavior and how do I correct it?
[23:26] <tomreyn> joe123: i think whether or not folder icons show on your gnome-shell desktop actually depends on the configuration of the desktop-icons-next-generation (DING) gnome-shell extension.
[23:26] <leftyfb> tomreyn: that's not the issue
[23:27] <leftyfb> joe123: cat ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:27] <tomreyn> leftyfb: from how i read it, it is
[23:28] <leftyfb> tomreyn: nope, everything in their $HOME, files and folders are all being shown on their Desktop. Because XDG_DESKTOP_DIR is more than likely set to $HOME when it should be set to $HOME/Desktop
[23:29] <joe123> tomreyn: Hello. I right clicked on the desktop and selected Desktop Icons Settings
[23:29] <tomreyn> i see, now i think either could be the issue.
[23:30] <tomreyn> joe123: hi. did it help?
[23:30] <leftyfb> no, doing that will only bring up the Appearance settings
[23:31] <leftyfb> joe123: cat ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:31] <leftyfb> joe123: please run that^ and paste the URL here
[23:31] <joe123> I toggled the show Personal folders toggle but that just shows or hides the "Home" folder. However either way the "Documents" "Pictures" etc always show
[23:31] <leftyfb> that's because what you are changing has nothing to do with the problem at hand
[23:32] <tomreyn> joe123: i guess i was indeed wrong then, and you're dealing with the other setting leftyfb discussed
[23:32] <leftyfb> joe123: cat ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:32] <leftyfb> joe123: please run that^ and paste the URL here
[23:32] <joe123> cat: /root/.config/user-dirs.dirs: No such file or directory
[23:32] <leftyfb> joe123: why are you logged in as root?
[23:32] <tomreyn> sorry leftyfb, your guess was better this time ;)
[23:33] <leftyfb> joe123: or why did you add sudo to the command I gave you?
[23:34] <tomreyn> sudo with ~ would still have expanded to the restricted users' home
[23:34] <joe123> Sorry. I'm new to linux. I thought that is how I had to do it
[23:35] <leftyfb> joe123: you should almost never login as root unless you know for a fact it's required. And you should only run commands as sudo when directed to do so or you know it's required
[23:36] <leftyfb> joe123: as your user, run:    cat ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs | nc termbin.com 9999       # do not add anything to the command including sudo. Please paste the resulting URL here
[23:36] <tomreyn> generally, anything regarding the graphical desktop configuration (other than installing and uninstalling software) should be run without sudo / root
[23:38] <joe123> leftyfb: I switched back to my user account and ran the command and I got this URL https://termbin.com/l931
[23:39] <leftyfb> bingo
[23:40] <joe123> lefttyfb: does that URL mean anything to you?
[23:40] <leftyfb> yes, give me a moment
[23:45] <leftyfb> joe123: run this:  sed -i 's/XDG_DESKTOP_DIR.*/XDG_DESKTOP_DIR=\"$HOME\/Desktop\"/g' ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
[23:46] <leftyfb> then log out and back in
[23:46] <joe123> leftyfb: ok
[23:51] <joe123> leftyfb: I'm back the folders are still on the Desktop
[23:52] <leftyfb> joe123: as your user, run:    cat ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs | nc termbin.com 9999       # do not add anything to the command including sudo. Please paste the resulting URL here
[23:53] <joe123> leftyfbv- Ok. Here you go https://termbin.com/zsyh
[23:56] <leftyfb> joe123: wget https://termbin.com/u1rs -O ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
[23:56] <leftyfb> run that and log out and back in
[23:58] <joe123> leftyfb: ok. Back in a minute
[23:59] <rmsadept>  
[23:59] <rmsadept> Open letter to Libera and other FOSS communities concerning risks of the emerging WebAssembly technology: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1301225
[23:59] <rmsadept>  
[23:59] <leftyfb> rmsadept: no
[23:59] <rmsadept> Stop enabling it by default in your packages.