[03:16] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
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[10:35] <Mandem0110> lotuspsychje: no. stop being ignorant. 
[10:44] <tomreyn> i'm not sure i'm getting what your chat is about, but (a) it's not against the CoC to say hello (although targeted harassment would not be), and (b) i hope this channel can be used in a better way than discussing whether or not it's acceptable to say hello here.
[10:44] <tomreyn> *would be
[17:26] <sem> I would like to discuss something
[17:27] <sem> I have some old hardware currently running lubuntu 20.04. It won't be EOL for a long time, but is there a downside to staying on an older kernel
[17:28] <sem> Old means mid 2006, 2007
[17:28] <sem> Lubuntu used to be focused on running fast on old hardware but it is not focused on that anymore
[17:36] <amacater_> Ideally, you need to keep up to date for security.
[17:37] <amacater_> If you still have 15 year old hardware, it may not be power efficient - maybe do something for the planet by disposing of it and acquiring newer hardware?
[17:41] <arraybolt3> sem: The thing about Lubuntu not being focused on old hardware anymore was more to signify that we're not going out of our way to make absolutely ancient stuff work at all costs, if I'm understanding correctly. But Lubuntu still works quite well on old hardware, and in fact one of the Lubuntu testers used to run (and may still run) Lubuntu on a
[17:41] <arraybolt3> *very* old machine (like Intel Core Duo or something) and it worked for him. I use Lubuntu on severely underpowered machines myself with good results.
[17:41] <arraybolt3> Try it out in the live environment, if you like it, use it. You may want to de-Snap Firefox for the sake of resources.
[17:42] <sem> Yeah I am enjoying using it now, and iirc if it's not EOL it gets security fixes
[17:42] <sem> Am I just missing out on power management and stuff?
[17:43] <sem> I know it's old hardware but I only use it for light use and I'd rather not send it to the landfill and buy another machine
[17:43] <leftyfb> lubuntu LTS is only 3 years AFAIK
[17:43] <arraybolt3> There's quite a  few fixes and new things in newer versions of Lubuntu. You're missing out on a better updater, better LXQt features, access to the newest version of LXQt which comes with some fancy new features, etc. Not terrible, but you might still try it.
[17:43] <leftyfb> https://lubuntu.me/lubuntu-20-04-lts-end-of-life-and-current-support-statuses/
[17:43] <sem> There is some canonical program that I enrolled in for free that extended it I thought 
[17:43] <arraybolt3> Technically yeah, Lubuntu 20.04 is EOL, but not in a way that makes it dangerous to use from a security standpoint.
[17:43] <Mandem0110> Wait, we can de-snap FF?
[17:44] <arraybolt3> The underlying OS is still supported by Canonical.
[17:44] <arraybolt3> We just aren't issuing bugfixes for anything that old for the Lubuntu-specific components.
[17:44] <arraybolt3> Mandem0110: Via a PPA or using an upstream tarball.
[17:44] <leftyfb> Mandem0110: yes, though it's unsupported
[17:44] <sem> I would like to try a new Lubuntu but my hardware can't boot from USB so it's a little tricky
[17:44] <arraybolt3> sem: The ISO should still work on a DVD as far as I know.
[17:44] <arraybolt3> Or failing that, Plop Boot Manager?
[17:45] <arraybolt3> And yes, Ubuntu Pro will extend how long the base OS is supported for.
[17:45] <sem> I have Plop and it used to work but it hasn't worked recently. I could probably find some DVD-R somewhere
[17:45] <arraybolt3> So as far as "can I keep using this for another six years or so", it should work. Should you, is a question only you can answer.
[17:45] <leftyfb> uh
[17:46] <sem> That is good to know lubuntu can still run on old hardware even if it is less officially targeted
[17:46] <leftyfb> arraybolt3: 20.04 is not community supported for 10 years. That would be ESM/Pro which only provides support from Canonical
[17:47] <sem> That makes sense you can't target support for old stuff once everyone has moved on
[17:47] <arraybolt3> leftyfb: sem said they enabled that though. I meant as far as them using it. True, they won't get community help after 20.04 goes fully EOL, but again, they can decide whether that's a problem for them, and upgrade if so.
[17:47] <leftyfb> I would really recommend just keeping up to day with LTS releases. At the very least every 4 years
[17:48] <sem> At some point the LTS will be too new for the hardware
[17:48] <arraybolt3> sure. And I would recommend that too.
[17:48] <leftyfb> sem: not unless we're talking 20+ year old hardware
[17:48] <sem> So I think the best procedure is to test it on the live boot first 
[17:48] <arraybolt3> and at that point, you'll want a new machine anyway, even if it's a "new to you" old machine
[17:50] <amacater_> You may find that if you dispose of the oldest machine to electronic equipment recycling, that you can be gifted a much younger machine :)
[17:50] <sem> Yes I'll have to stop using it eventually but I hope to keep it around, maybe install a retro system and disconnect it from the Internet
[17:52] <arraybolt3> I got just handed a 4th gen Core i5 machine the other day - it runs Linux quite fast, feels like a new machine.
[17:52] <arraybolt3> So yeah, something even moderately newer can be a night-and-day difference.
[17:56] <daftykins> what's the actual spec of this potato?
[17:57] <arraybolt3> sheesh, if you're that hungry get a real potato :P
[17:57]  * arraybolt3 has a computer that looks like someone tried to take a small bite out of it...
[17:59] <ravage> so its an apple
[18:00] <ravage> but nothing you could run https://ubuntuasahi.org/ on i guess
[23:44] <JanC> 4th gen Core i5 isn't 20yo but 10yo though  :)
[23:47] <JanC> 20yo is Pentium 4 or Pentium M, and those can't run current Ubuntu releases...
[23:54] <daftykins> though they often make good doorstops :)