[07:34] downloads does look good; but does the link https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/testing/ work for everyone? Should I create a ~copy of that page on discourse & link there? (correcting the oudated nature of phab version; dev there is lunar with kinetic our latest..) [08:07] [telegram] Phab is still down —testing only link that does not work (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) downloads does look good; but does the link https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/testing/ work for everyone? Should I create a ~copy of that page on discourse & link there? (correcting the oudated nature of phab version; dev there is lunar with kinetic our latest..)) [10:14] [telegram] I was supposed to move it to git.lubuntu.me (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) downloads does look good; but does the link https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/testing/ work for everyone? Should I create a ~copy of that page on discourse & link there? (correcting the oudated nature of phab version; dev there is lunar with kinetic our latest..)) [10:25] Thanks @Leokolb, you've confirmed what I believed... phab is actually UP, but its not public (eg. that link works when I test it here, thus my language...) [10:35] https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/qa-testing-information/4719 gives us a copy on discourse (I don't like title; but its 15+ characters as required; feel free to edit/change if you've better)... page could point there (releases updates; lunar/23.04 at end so as to be easier to remove (my reasoning anyway) [10:37] (page is 99.5% what is on phab page; copy/pasted with release detail & last line only changed) [11:10] [telegram] We, not I, it's not all your fault ;) (re @kc2bez: I was supposed to move it to git.lubuntu.me) [11:10] [telegram] https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/207bd934/file_10287.jpg [11:11] [telegram] Thanks guiverc :) [11:12] the downloads page will need to be altered to use that discourse page (if wanted) [11:13] [telegram] @teward001 at your convenience, you are the only person with the ability to edit the navbar :) I'm all for a replacement, but we should make what we already have works [11:13] [telegram] Ack :) [11:23] [telegram] "Excluding one specific application, our stance is in favor of using Qt applications over Flutter applications." anyone notice the Flutter app I snuck on the ISO a month back? [11:28] [telegram] can I get access to this? (re @kc2bez: I was supposed to move it to git.lubuntu.me) [11:28] [telegram] like I had with phab [11:29] [telegram] @teward001 we don't need an LC vote or anything of the sort to add Rik, do we? Please do at your convenience ^^^^^^ (re @RikMills: can I get access to this?) [11:29] [telegram] Same with @Eickmeyer while we're at it :) [11:29] [telegram] /me thwacks @teward001 for holding Godpowers by himself XD [11:30] [telegram] I have them too. Let me see what I can do. [11:30] [telegram] You don't also happen to have them on WP do you? :) (re @kc2bez: I have them too. Let me see what I can do.) [11:31] [telegram] No, I just have regular WPadmin access. [11:32] [telegram] If it was a static site that wouldn't be an issue harharhar [11:35] no hurry [11:47] [telegram] @Eickmeyer I know you are west coast, shoot me a PM when you are available and I will get you setup. [11:48] [telegram] working ok here. have updated calamares repor for recent uploads [11:48] [telegram] *repo [13:30] tsimonq2: How dare you put a Flutter app *in* Lubuntu! [13:30] ok so what was it, I missed it entirely :P [13:32] [telegram] It's the Firmware Updater app. We now have a native GUI for firmware updates. CC @lynorian [13:32] [telegram] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/+bug/2047023 [13:32] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2047023 in qtbase-opensource-src (Ubuntu) "Qt app crashed after upgrading Qt5 libraries to 5.15.10+dfsg-5build1 in noble-proposed" [Medium, Confirmed] [13:32] [telegram] I personally don't want to touch firmware with a 10 foot pole so I'll let the Desktop Team take any associated heat there :P [13:33] [telegram] I mean, unless someone knows of a way to safely simulate that... [13:33] Didn't know we had a firmware updater. Nifty. [13:34] [telegram] I'd really like to say "no Flutter on Lubuntu period" but for that, I make an exception, and to be honest I think it's justifiable [13:34] I assume all it does would be call fwupd though, that's like *the* way to deliver firmware updates IIUC. Obviously I'd have to check the code to find out for sure, but I don't know Dart... [13:35] [telegram] With the amount of recent security updates going to firmware of all recent devices, I think it would be great to also hook this into the update notifier. Say "hey, by the way, you have firmware updates and here's a button to open the graphical firmware updater provided by Canonical" [13:35] btw Discover can *sorta* manage fwupd. Source - it's done or at least tried to do UEFI dbx updates before. [13:35] [telegram] That's... interesting. I wonder if we can disable that and the button for system settings... [13:36] dbx = the revocation list that says "Someone blew it when implementing Secure Boot, don't boot images with these hashes" [13:36] [telegram] I say disable it so we force the user into one of two paths: expert mode or Canonical managed GUI mode [13:36] The system settings button should go away once we stop seeding Blue devil. [13:36] Thanks ChromeOS for autoincorrect [13:36] [telegram] We should be already? [13:36] Then it should be gone? [13:37] [telegram] Use talk to Texans (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) Thanks ChromeOS for autoincorrect) [13:37] [telegram] XD [13:37] lol [13:37] [telegram] https://9to5linux.com/plymouth-linux-graphical-boot-manager-now-better-handles-display-rendering [13:38] cool [13:38] I can check on the system settings button once I start my day. [13:40] If it's still there I'm going to be a bit frustrated :P [13:40] [telegram] Someone seeded aptitude 😉 so `aptitude why` might clue you in. [13:40] nice [13:41] * arraybolt3 ❤️ aptitude - very handy for debugging install filures [13:41] *failures [13:41] [telegram] Thanks @tsimonq2 [13:41] [telegram] I'd like to think we're the best flavor in terms of a starter set of basic CLI applications ;) (re @kc2bez: Someone seeded aptitude 😉 so aptitude why might clue you in.) [13:42] We're the only ones to seed Vim, so we win automatically. [13:42] [telegram] Absolutely [13:42] [telegram] Vim (which I personally manage as a Core Dev in Ubuntu), htop, inxi, aptitude, tmux/byobu (which I think we should seed if we don't already) [13:43] [telegram] I think it fits really well with our vision and purpose, tbh [13:46] [telegram] I seeded aptitude in kubuntu a while back, as I got fed up of having to install it with each new test VM [14:01] [telegram] Now I can add translations in Galician and Basque that were not allowed before!!!! [14:01] [telegram] \o/ [14:50] RikMills, tsimonq2: I could have sworn we had demoted kde-config-updates to a Suggests of plasma-discover? [14:51] It appears to still be a Recommends. [14:51] (in Noble anyway) [14:51] [telegram] maybe the suggests got lost in a merge [14:51] hmm [14:51] If you would be so kind as to demote it again, that would be fantastic - it appears to be the last thing between us and having KDE System Settings no longer in Lubuntu. [14:58] arraybolt3: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-discover/5.27.10-1ubuntu2 [14:58] Thank you! [14:59] (While I'm here, I'm going to try to do a hopefully small bugfix - figure out why plasma-discover renders some icons black on Lubuntu when it doesn't on Kubuntu.) [15:03] odd [15:08] yeah I don't know what to make of it. [15:09] Notice the KPatience and Yakuake logos here: https://i.imgur.com/bPBqbqZ.png [15:10] wait... lol I know what's going on here I bet [15:10] our icon theme (ePapirus) replaces a lot of default application icons. [15:10] And Qt glitches out on some SVGs that aren't "compliant". [15:10] So I bet these are just glitched SVGs. [15:12] hmm, no, they're rendering just fine elsewhere [15:13] but it definitely is the icon theme - if I change it to Oxygen, everything renders fine. [15:13] (and looks like it's from 2014) [15:15] * arraybolt3 goes and downloads a Kubuntu 24.04 ISO to see if I can reproduce this there [15:16] or actually, better yet, Neon User edition [15:16] since I suspect this is an upstream Qt or KDE bug. [15:39] [telegram] https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/0c8f86ff/file_10288.jpg [15:39] [telegram] kubuntu [15:41] right, because you're using the Breeze icon theme. [15:41] Try installing papirus and switch to that, you'll almost certainly see it happen. [15:42] slow internet is slow over here - still mid-downloading Neon [15:46] [telegram] https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/33203da2/file_10289.jpg [15:46] arraybolt3: ^^^^ seems ok with papirus [15:46] * RikMills hides [15:46] grrr [15:47] [matrix] alright that's a mystery [15:47] anything interesting in the terminal if you start discover via that? [15:47] [matrix] nope [15:47] [matrix] tried that [15:47] :/ [15:48] [matrix] It looks *exactly* like an SVG render issue caused by something that isn't TinySVG compliant... but on your system it seems to work... you aren't on Plasma 6 Beta or something are you? [15:55] no, that was in noble [15:56] sigh [16:01] [matrix] looks right on Neon too [16:42] [telegram] Ok, all caught-up, @kc2bez got me set-up on g.l.m, we're good. (was confused due to lack of coffee, but Dan got me straightened out). [16:42] [telegram] Any other emergencies I should be aware of? [16:43] [telegram] I don't think so. [16:44] [telegram] Sweet. The thing about exiting daylight saving time in Seattle back in November is we gained an extra hour of rain. [16:45] [telegram] LOL [16:46] Eickmeyer: You might need to seed kde-config-updates if you don't already. [16:47] Since RikMills just demoted it to a Suggests of plasma-discover for us. [16:47] * Eickmeyer looks [16:47] * arraybolt3 thinks an extra hour of rain sounds awful [16:48] [telegram] Northern hemisphere, so more rainshine minutes starting now. [16:49] [telegram] Yeah, looking forward to the "long dark" as we call it starting to wane. [16:50] [telegram] Seattle is further north than the northern border of Maine, and therefore, Toronto, Canada. [16:52] arraybolt3: Yep, seems we're already seeding that in Studio. [16:52] perfect [16:55] [telegram] I'm north of Toronto but you have me bested too. (re @Eickmeyer: Seattle is further north than the northern border of Maine, and therefore, Toronto, Canada.) [17:58] [telegram] Iceland and daylight today her in Hafnarfjord 11:20 to 15:31 @kc2bez - so bested... (re @kc2bez: I'm north of Toronto but you have me bested too.) [18:36] [telegram] Wait, you're a Canadian? (re @kc2bez: I'm north of Toronto but you have me bested too.) [18:36] [telegram] Almost [18:36] [telegram] Hahahaha :D me too, me too [18:37] [telegram] Although, when I go up north by Noah in Grand Forks, that's *really* New Canada, hah [18:37] [telegram] I am about 15 miles south of the border which is the St Lawrence River. [18:48] [telegram] I'm further north in the UK here than Seattle :P [18:49] [telegram] Geography is fun [19:34] [telegram] Bet no one further south than @guiverc ? [19:41] [telegram] That is likely true. [19:49] [telegram] "Hi, I'm taking a trip to Antarctica" XD [20:25] [matrix] XD [21:13] [telegram] nav bar has nothing to do with elementor btw (re @tsimonq2: @teward001 at your convenience, you are the only person with the ability to edit the navbar :) I'm all for a replacement, but we should make what we already have works) [21:14] [telegram] so i'm not the only one you just lazy and dont search for the proper components [21:14] [telegram] Oh I know that, it's just part of the admin interface that I currently don't have access to :) (re @teward001: nav bar has nothing to do with elementor btw) [21:14] [telegram] I've searched every menu [21:14] [telegram] it's not there lol [21:14] [telegram] so if you find it and can give me access please tell me XD [21:14] [telegram] not for either of those we just have to register them. i'm not the only admin tho (re @tsimonq2: @teward001 we don't need an LC vote or anything of the sort to add Rik, do we? Please do at your convenience ^^^^^^) [21:15] [telegram] you're listed as site admin. that already gives access. :/ (re @tsimonq2: so if you find it and can give me access please tell me XD) [21:15] [telegram] i'll check but it IS a holiday errand day for me so lubuntu is secondary to holiday tasks [21:49] @tsimonq2 the sidebar in the Blog? [21:49] [telegram] no the navbar [21:49] Oh, at the top [21:50] [telegram] yes :) [21:50] Menus, in the appearance section. [21:59] Theme options might have some of what you want too. [22:24] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxqt-config/1.4.0-0ubuntu2 [22:25] I have no Appearance section. [22:26] [telegram] https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/e9f53ae1/file_10290.jpg [22:47] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxqt-session/1.4.0-0ubuntu2 [22:47] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxqt-panel/1.4.0-0ubuntu2 [22:47] arraybolt3: https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-runner/commit/86887e7dd6639e10d039b560cbfbab2bcf72da92 [22:47] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Commit 86887e7 in lxqt/lxqt-runner "Hide window on deactivation under Wayland (#273)" [23:35] https://lubuntu.me/downloads/ has been modified to point to https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/qa-testing-information/4719 instead of phab link [23:37] [matrix] I am going to make that page a wiki page on Discourse ^ [23:37] thanks kc2bez , wish I'd thought of that (alas forgot) [23:38] [matrix] No problem, 'tis fixed up.