[07:34] <guiverc> downloads does look good; but does the link https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/testing/ work for everyone?   Should I create a ~copy of that page on discourse & link there?  (correcting the oudated nature of phab version; dev there is lunar with kinetic our latest..)
 Phab is still down —testing only link that does not work (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> downloads does look good; but does the link https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/testing/ work for everyone?   Should I create a ~copy of that page on discourse & link there?  (correcting the oudated nature of phab version; dev there is lunar with kinetic our latest..))
 I was supposed to move it to git.lubuntu.me (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> downloads does look good; but does the link https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/testing/ work for everyone?   Should I create a ~copy of that page on discourse & link there?  (correcting the oudated nature of phab version; dev there is lunar with kinetic our latest..))
[10:25] <guiverc> Thanks @Leokolb, you've confirmed what I believed... phab is actually UP, but its not public (eg. that link works when I test it here, thus my language...)
[10:35] <guiverc> https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/qa-testing-information/4719    gives us a copy on discourse (I don't like title; but its 15+ characters as required; feel free to edit/change if you've better)...   page could point there (releases updates; lunar/23.04 at end so as to be easier to remove (my reasoning anyway)
[10:37] <guiverc> (page is 99.5% what is on phab page; copy/pasted with release detail & last line only changed)
 We, not I, it's not all your fault ;) (re @kc2bez: I was supposed to move it to git.lubuntu.me)
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/207bd934/file_10287.jpg
 Thanks guiverc :)
[11:12] <guiverc> the downloads page will need to be altered to use that discourse page (if wanted)
 @teward001 at your convenience, you are the only person with the ability to edit the navbar :) I'm all for a replacement, but we should make what we already have works
 Ack :)
 "Excluding one specific application, our stance is in favor of using Qt applications over Flutter applications." anyone notice the Flutter app I snuck on the ISO a month back?
 can I get access to this? (re @kc2bez: I was supposed to move it to git.lubuntu.me)
 like I had with phab
 @teward001 we don't need an LC vote or anything of the sort to add Rik, do we? Please do at your convenience ^^^^^^ (re @RikMills: can I get access to this?)
 Same with @Eickmeyer while we're at it :)
 /me thwacks @teward001 for holding Godpowers by himself XD
 I have them too. Let me see what I can do.
 You don't also happen to have them on WP do you? :) (re @kc2bez: I have them too. Let me see what I can do.)
 No, I just have regular WPadmin access.
 If it was a static site that wouldn't be an issue harharhar
[11:35] <RikMills> no hurry
 @Eickmeyer I know you are west coast, shoot me a PM when you are available and I will get you setup.
 working ok here. have updated calamares repor for recent uploads
 *repo
[13:30] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: How dare you put a Flutter app *in* Lubuntu!
[13:30] <arraybolt3> ok so what was it, I missed it entirely :P
 It's the Firmware Updater app. We now have a native GUI for firmware updates. CC @lynorian
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/+bug/2047023
[13:32] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2047023 in qtbase-opensource-src (Ubuntu) "Qt app crashed after upgrading Qt5 libraries to 5.15.10+dfsg-5build1 in noble-proposed" [Medium, Confirmed]
 I personally don't want to touch firmware with a 10 foot pole so I'll let the Desktop Team take any associated heat there :P
 I mean, unless someone knows of a way to safely simulate that...
[13:33] <arraybolt3> Didn't know we had a firmware updater. Nifty.
 I'd really like to say "no Flutter on Lubuntu period" but for that, I make an exception, and to be honest I think it's justifiable
[13:34] <arraybolt3> I assume all it does would be call fwupd though, that's like *the* way to deliver firmware updates IIUC. Obviously I'd have to check the code to find out for sure, but I don't know Dart...
 With the amount of recent security updates going to firmware of all recent devices, I think it would be great to also hook this into the update notifier. Say "hey, by the way, you have firmware updates and here's a button to open the graphical firmware updater provided by Canonical"
[13:35] <arraybolt3> btw Discover can *sorta* manage fwupd. Source - it's done or at least tried to do UEFI dbx updates before.
 That's... interesting. I wonder if we can disable that and the button for system settings...
[13:36] <arraybolt3> dbx = the revocation list that says "Someone blew it when implementing Secure Boot, don't boot images with these hashes"
 I say disable it so we force the user into one of two paths: expert mode or Canonical managed GUI mode
[13:36] <arraybolt3> The system settings button should go away once we stop seeding Blue devil.
[13:36] <arraybolt3> Thanks ChromeOS for autoincorrect
 We should be already?
[13:36] <arraybolt3> Then it should be gone?
 Use talk to Texans (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3> Thanks ChromeOS for autoincorrect)
 XD
[13:37] <arraybolt3> lol
 https://9to5linux.com/plymouth-linux-graphical-boot-manager-now-better-handles-display-rendering
[13:38] <arraybolt3> cool
[13:38] <arraybolt3> I can check on the system settings button once I start my day.
[13:40] <arraybolt3> If it's still there I'm going to be a bit frustrated :P
 Someone seeded aptitude 😉 so `aptitude why` might clue you in.
[13:40] <arraybolt3> nice
[13:41]  * arraybolt3 ❤️ aptitude - very handy for debugging install filures
[13:41] <arraybolt3> *failures
 Thanks @tsimonq2
 I'd like to think we're the best flavor in terms of a starter set of basic CLI applications ;) (re @kc2bez: Someone seeded aptitude 😉 so aptitude why might clue you in.)
[13:42] <arraybolt3> We're the only ones to seed Vim, so we win automatically.
 Absolutely
 Vim (which I personally manage as a Core Dev in Ubuntu), htop, inxi, aptitude, tmux/byobu (which I think we should seed if we don't already)
 I think it fits really well with our vision and purpose, tbh
 I seeded aptitude in kubuntu a while back, as I got fed up of having to install it with each new test VM
 Now I can add translations in Galician and Basque that were not allowed before!!!!
 \o/
[14:50] <arraybolt3> RikMills, tsimonq2: I could have sworn we had demoted kde-config-updates to a Suggests of plasma-discover?
[14:51] <arraybolt3> It appears to still be a Recommends.
[14:51] <arraybolt3> (in Noble anyway)
 maybe the suggests got lost in a merge
[14:51] <arraybolt3> hmm
[14:51] <arraybolt3> If you would be so kind as to demote it again, that would be fantastic - it appears to be the last thing between us and having KDE System Settings no longer in Lubuntu.
[14:58] <RikMills> arraybolt3: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-discover/5.27.10-1ubuntu2
[14:58] <arraybolt3> Thank you!
[14:59] <arraybolt3> (While I'm here, I'm going to try to do a hopefully small bugfix - figure out why plasma-discover renders some icons black on Lubuntu when it doesn't on Kubuntu.)
[15:03] <RikMills> odd
[15:08] <arraybolt3> yeah I don't know what to make of it.
[15:09] <arraybolt3> Notice the KPatience and Yakuake logos here: https://i.imgur.com/bPBqbqZ.png
[15:10] <arraybolt3> wait... lol I know what's going on here I bet
[15:10] <arraybolt3> our icon theme (ePapirus) replaces a lot of default application icons.
[15:10] <arraybolt3> And Qt glitches out on some SVGs that aren't "compliant".
[15:10] <arraybolt3> So I bet these are just glitched SVGs.
[15:12] <arraybolt3> hmm, no, they're rendering just fine elsewhere
[15:13] <arraybolt3> but it definitely is the icon theme - if I change it to Oxygen, everything renders fine.
[15:13] <arraybolt3> (and looks like it's from 2014)
[15:15]  * arraybolt3 goes and downloads a Kubuntu 24.04 ISO to see if I can reproduce this there
[15:16] <arraybolt3> or actually, better yet, Neon User edition
[15:16] <arraybolt3> since I suspect this is an upstream Qt or KDE bug.
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/0c8f86ff/file_10288.jpg
 kubuntu
[15:41] <arraybolt3> right, because you're using the Breeze icon theme.
[15:41] <arraybolt3> Try installing papirus and switch to that, you'll almost certainly see it happen.
[15:42] <arraybolt3> slow internet is slow over here - still mid-downloading Neon
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/33203da2/file_10289.jpg
[15:46] <RikMills> arraybolt3: ^^^^ seems ok with papirus
[15:46]  * RikMills hides
[15:46] <arraybolt3> grrr
[15:47] <RikMills> anything interesting in the terminal if you start discover via that?
[15:47] <RikMills> :/
[15:55] <RikMills> no, that was in noble
[15:56] <arraybolt3> sigh
 Ok, all caught-up, @kc2bez got me set-up on g.l.m, we're good. (was confused due to lack of coffee, but Dan got me straightened out).
 Any other emergencies I should be aware of?
 I don't think so.
 Sweet. The thing about exiting daylight saving time in Seattle back in November is we gained an extra hour of rain.
 LOL
[16:46] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: You might need to seed kde-config-updates if you don't already.
[16:47] <arraybolt3> Since RikMills just demoted it to a Suggests of plasma-discover for us.
[16:47]  * Eickmeyer looks
[16:47]  * arraybolt3 thinks an extra hour of rain sounds awful
 Northern hemisphere, so more rainshine minutes starting now.
 Yeah, looking forward to the "long dark" as we call it starting to wane.
 Seattle is further north than the northern border of Maine, and therefore, Toronto, Canada.
[16:52] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: Yep, seems we're already seeding that in Studio.
[16:52] <arraybolt3> perfect
 I'm north of Toronto but you have me bested too. (re @Eickmeyer: Seattle is further north than the northern border of Maine, and therefore, Toronto, Canada.)
 Iceland and daylight today her in Hafnarfjord 11:20 to 15:31 @kc2bez - so bested... (re @kc2bez: I'm north of Toronto but you have me bested too.)
 Wait, you're a Canadian? (re @kc2bez: I'm north of Toronto but you have me bested too.)
 Almost
 Hahahaha :D me too, me too
 Although, when I go up north by Noah in Grand Forks, that's *really* New Canada, hah
 I am about 15 miles south of the border which is the St Lawrence River.
 I'm further north in the UK here than Seattle :P
 Geography is fun
 Bet no one further south than @guiverc ?
 That is likely true.
 "Hi, I'm taking a trip to Antarctica" XD
 nav bar has nothing to do with elementor btw (re @tsimonq2: @teward001 at your convenience, you are the only person with the ability to edit the navbar :) I'm all for a replacement, but we should make what we already have works)
 so i'm not the only one you just lazy and dont search for the proper components
 Oh I know that, it's just part of the admin interface that I currently don't have access to :) (re @teward001: nav bar has nothing to do with elementor btw)
 I've searched every menu
 it's not there lol
 so if you find it and can give me access please tell me XD
 not for either of those we just have to register them.  i'm not the only admin tho (re @tsimonq2: @teward001 we don't need an LC vote or anything of the sort to add Rik, do we? Please do at your convenience ^^^^^^)
 you're listed as site admin.  that already gives access.  :/ (re @tsimonq2: so if you find it and can give me access please tell me XD)
 i'll check but it IS a holiday errand day for me so lubuntu is secondary to holiday tasks
[21:49] <kc2bez> @tsimonq2 the sidebar in the Blog?
 no the navbar
[21:49] <kc2bez> Oh, at the top
 yes :)
[21:50] <kc2bez> Menus, in the appearance section.
[21:59] <kc2bez> Theme options might have some of what you want too.
[22:24] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxqt-config/1.4.0-0ubuntu2
[22:25] <tsimonq2> I have no Appearance section.
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/e9f53ae1/file_10290.jpg
[22:47] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxqt-session/1.4.0-0ubuntu2
[22:47] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxqt-panel/1.4.0-0ubuntu2
[22:47] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-runner/commit/86887e7dd6639e10d039b560cbfbab2bcf72da92
[22:47] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Commit 86887e7 in lxqt/lxqt-runner "Hide window on deactivation under Wayland (#273)"
[23:35] <guiverc> https://lubuntu.me/downloads/ has been modified to point to https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/qa-testing-information/4719 instead of phab link
[23:37] <guiverc> thanks kc2bez , wish I'd thought of that (alas forgot)