[00:18] <salley> does this chat not work well with proton ?
[00:19] <rbox> huh?
[00:19] <salley> protonvpn
[00:20] <salley> seems like most ip are blocked
[00:20] <rbox> libera might block it from abuse
[00:20] <salley> ic ok
[00:26] <salley> I quit nvidia , and am now using an old radeon card, why does ubuntu run light years better with an old radeon card compared to nvidia / thanks.
[00:27] <salley> no comparison
[00:28] <rbox> what do you mean "run better"
[00:28] <salley> it runs circles around nvidia, its only a business machine too.
[00:30] <rbox> still not saying anything useful...
[00:30] <salley> ok, ask me what should be looked for regarding my statement.
[00:30] <rbox> [05:28:23 PM] <rbox> what do you mean "run better"
[00:31] <salley> 10x faster with no slow down lockups and or funky errors on boot.
[00:31] <rbox> wgats faster, what driver were you using
[00:32] <salley> idk, it came with it and searching drivers gives nothing , havent looked at synaptic yet tho to see.
[00:33] <salley> its a 5470 card, i think
[00:33] <salley> Turks PRO [Radeon HD 6570/7570/8550 / R5 230]
[00:34] <rbox> the nvidia...
[00:34] <salley> no bottle necks with a 8 core intel
[00:34] <salley> oh
[00:35] <salley> well, regardless of what i use nivdia  specifically the 1650, it slows down, gives errors, and locks up, no matter the driver
[00:35] <salley> i even tried an old 710 and its the same
[00:36] <rbox> what do you mena "no matter the driver"
[00:36] <salley> this radeon card blows the doors off of anything nvidia ive tried.
[00:37] <salley> i tried 535/470
[00:37] <rbox> i dont know waht 535/470 is
[00:37] <salley> wow
[00:37] <salley> ok
[00:37] <salley> so, what should we look for
[00:38] <salley> ic lol
[00:38] <salley> dun dun dun
[00:39] <salley> im blond, but not THAT blond.
[00:41] <salley> rbox
[00:43] <salley> how can ubuntu tackle these problems
[00:43] <rbox> huh?
[00:44] <salley> rbox  why does nvidia not work
[00:44] <rbox> what driver...
[00:44] <salley> 535
[00:45] <rbox> waht is 535
[00:45] <rbox> thats a number
[00:45] <salley> it is the number of said driver for nvidia.
[00:46] <rbox> what driver
[00:46] <salley> driver number 535
[00:47] <salley> nvidia driver number 535
[00:48] <salley> rbox  how many qubits are available
[00:50] <salley> rbox  what driver are we to suggest.
[00:51] <salley> rbox gone lol
[00:52] <salley> merry christmas rbox
[04:29] <salley> lol
[04:30] <kotgc> How to move an AppImage file to a permanent location and create a desktop icon? This guide is wrong https://askubuntu.com/questions/1328196/how-can-i-create-desktop-entry-for-an-appimage
[04:31] <kotgc> Step 3 is not a directory, so I've moved the AppImage to /usr/bin.
[04:31] <kotgc> Step 4 is not a directory also?
[04:32] <salley> im giving up computers - back im 01- when we started abba computers in ocala fl - I knew in my gut - we were dead meat - im now giving up technology.
[04:32] <salley> phuch you
[04:32] <kotgc> salley, this is tech support, not chat.
[04:33] <salley> im now done
[04:33] <salley> john 8:44
[04:33] <kotgc> moderator kick salley
[04:33] <salley> these are the days people
[04:34] <salley> I had dreams back in 1983
[04:34] <salley> you were warned
[04:34] <salley> my last post is -- john 3;16 KJV
[04:35] <salley> OUT
[05:27] <Arun> Hello
[07:17] <spinningCat> there is a wireless connection i could connect but now i cannot connet that network. What cna i do to solve problem?
[07:20] <mIk3_08> Merry Christmas everyone.
[07:25] <xmas-rednosed> Merry Christmas mIk3_08 :)
[07:48] <kotgc> mIk3_08, happy pagan solstice.
[08:05] <casa> hola
[08:12] <Fallon> https://porn.jules-aubert.info/humble_bundle
[08:12] <Fallon> https://porn.jules-aubert.info/the_manga_guides
[08:56] <croraf_> Why is this always obsolete :( https://people.canonical.com/~kernel/info/kernel-version-map.html
[08:57] <croraf_> Where to find up-to-date mainline kernel mapping
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> !mainline | croraf_
[08:59] <croraf_> It points to the same list of kernels, which is out of date
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> did you find the https://kernel.ubuntu.com/mainline/?C=N;O=D link?
[09:06] <croraf_> Not sure what is that
[09:07] <croraf_> I mean, my point still holds, that the above mapping list is always out of date
[09:12] <dunamis> Hi guys, I need some help. I installed Ubuntu Studio on a MicroSSD and the installation went fine. Except that having installed grub on the same partition there is no way and I find the grub prompt at startup... after some research I realized that it really can't find the MicroSSD from UEFI.
[09:12] <dunamis> Doing exit reboot on Windows 11
[09:13] <dunamis> Doing exit reboot on Windows 11
[09:14] <EriC^^> dunamis: you also have another ubuntu installation on the pc? or just the ubuntu you installed and windows 11?
[09:14] <dunamis> just this one
[09:15] <dunamis> windows 11 and ubuntu studio on MicroSSD
[09:15] <EriC^^> ok when you get the grub prompt is it grub> or grub rescue> ?
[09:15] <dunamis> only grub
[09:15] <EriC^^> can you boot it and be here at the same time?
[09:16] <dunamis> mmm... maybe from my smartphone
[09:17] <EriC^^> you can head to https://web.libera.chat/ and get on irc from there
[09:18] <dunamis> ok, I'm lookin for it
[09:18] <EriC^^> ok
[09:19] <dunamis2> Ok I reboot my pc
[09:22] <dunamis2> Ok here I am on grub prompt
[09:22] <EriC^^> dunamis2: ok type "ls /boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[09:24] <dunamis2> Invalid file name
[09:24] <dunamis2> Actually I can't find a grub directory
[09:26] <EriC^^> ok
[09:26] <EriC^^> type "ls -l"
[09:27] <EriC^^> is there a ext* filesystem there in the list?
[09:28] <dunamis2> No
[09:28] <EriC^^> did it give a list of partitions?
[09:29] <dunamis2> Yes
[09:29] <dunamis2> No ext4 filesystem
[09:29] <EriC^^> you need to find which one has ubuntu, "ls (hd0,gpt1)/" for example and when you see /boot /root /etc /usr blabla then that's the one
[09:30] <EriC^^> give them a go til it shows the main directories
[09:30] <EriC^^> ubuntu isnt encrypted right?
[09:33] <dunamis2> Yes but I can't find it from this prompt. Only on (hd0,gpt1) I find a grub.cfg inside /EFI/Ubuntu pointing one the UUID of the MicroSSD but I can see it only from the live
[09:33] <dunamis2> Encrypted!
[09:33] <dunamis2> ?
[09:33] <dunamis2> I can't remember very well
[09:33] <dunamis2> Mmm
[09:34] <dunamis2> Maybe I have to reinstall it
[09:34] <forex> n3wb3
[09:35] <dunamis2> And be sure it isn't encrypted
[09:35] <forex> what is the best channel, newbe in the block
[09:35] <forex> ?
[09:35] <dunamis2> From Dolphin in the Live I can see the partition of Ubuntu Studio
[09:36] <dunamis2> inside the MicroSSD device
[09:38] <EriC^^> dunamis2: ok try to reinstall
[09:39] <EriC^^> during the installation choose 'something else' and manually partition instead of 'reinstall' in case the installer messes up and installs to windows 11 by mistake
[09:39] <EriC^^> dunamis2: ^
[09:40] <dunamis2> I have a boot-repair log... https://pastebin.com/u9NjvveK
[09:40] <EriC^^> checking..
[09:40] <dunamis2> Can you understand it?
[09:41] <EriC^^> dunamis2: does grub see the microssd when you do "ls -l" ?
[09:41] <EriC^^> from the log it seems that grub is also installed in the windows 11 drive
[09:42] <dunamis2> No
[09:42] <EriC^^> aha
[09:42] <EriC^^> that's the problem then
[09:42] <dunamis2> What?
[09:43] <EriC^^> grub cant see the microssd
[09:43] <dunamis2> Yes it seems it
[09:43] <EriC^^> does the bios see it? does it show up in "f9" when you boot the pc?
[09:43] <EriC^^> (im assuming you have hp pc)
[09:44] <dunamis2> Yes an omen HP laptop
[09:44] <EriC^^> after the pc starts try pressing f9 to get the run time boot menu
[09:45] <dunamis2> It see 2 boot loader
[09:46] <dunamis2> The first one is Ubuntu
[09:46] <dunamis2> The second one is windows
[09:46] <EriC^^> any disks?
[09:46] <EriC^^> those are the uefi entries i guess
[09:47] <dunamis2> Yes
[09:47] <EriC^^> does it show the microsd?
[09:48] <EriC^^> some guy online says that he fixed it by installing grub and /boot to the internal disk and that way he boots ubuntu on the microsd
[09:48] <EriC^^> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1104910/grub-wont-find-ubuntu-after-sd-card-installation-on-a-uefi-compute-stick
[09:49] <dunamis2> No. If I choose the first one I get the grub prompt
[09:49] <dunamis2> Ok
[09:49] <EriC^^> aha
[09:50] <dunamis2> Do I need to do it with grub-install from the live?
[09:50] <EriC^^> you could do it from there yeah
[09:50] <EriC^^> but you need to create a small partition on the windows disk
[09:51] <dunamis2> I don't use Linux since about 3 years
[09:51] <EriC^^> type 'sudo parted -ls' to see the disk info once the live boots
[09:51] <dunamis2> Mmm
[09:51] <dunamis2> Ok
[09:52] <EriC^^> "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999" it should give a link back, paste it here to share
[09:53] <dunamis2> Ok I'll join from the live
[09:53] <EriC^^> ok
[10:01] <dunamis> Here I am
[10:02]  * xmas-rednosed stretches elastic_dog 
[10:02] <EriC^> dunamis: let me know once you've booted and shared the link
[10:08] <dunamis> Can you repeat the last comand_
[10:08] <dunamis> I have problems with the keyboard layout
[10:08] <dunamis> I m italian
[10:11] <dunamis> I have to copy the comand due the keyboard layout
[10:11] <dunamis> could you reapet it
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> dunamis: <EriC^^> "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999" it should give a link back, paste it here to share
[10:13] <dunamis> thanks
[10:14] <dunamis> https://termbin.com/m2u0
[10:16] <EriC^> dunamis: earlier when you tried "ls -l" in grub there was no hdX,msdos... right? all hdX,gpt ?
[10:16] <dunamis> yes
[10:17] <dunamis> right
[10:17] <EriC^> ok
[10:18] <EriC^> do you need the recovery stuff on the windows11 disk?
[10:19] <EriC^> cause you need like 1gb or so of free space there to create a /boot partition
[10:19] <dunamis> mmm.. I woud not touch the data inside
[10:20] <dunamis> is it possible a resize of the partition_
[10:20] <EriC^> the data wouldnt be touched, but you'd lose some of the diagnostic/recovery stuff of the laptop i guess
[10:21] <EriC^> nvme0n1p4 and nvme0n1p5 could be used, they give around 1-2gb
[10:21] <EriC^> it doesnt look like there's a recovery partition in the laptop, everything's on nvme0n1p3
[10:22] <EriC^> but those are 2 hidden,diagnostic partitions
[10:22] <dunamis> may be he hp recovery sysrtem has also hardware diagnostic tools...
[10:22] <dunamis> I would not touch it
[10:24] <EriC^> gotcha
[10:25] <dunamis> it seems it-s better to install ubuntu on another disk, microSSD give a lot of problems
[10:25] <EriC^> yeah, or another usb also
[10:26] <dunamis> yes
[10:26] <EriC^> could you type "sudo mount /dev/nvme0n1p1 /mnt"
[10:27] <dunamis> yes
[10:27] <EriC^> then "cat /mnt/efi/ubuntu/grub.cfg | nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:27] <dunamis> ok
[10:28] <EriC^> i'm curious i remembered that you got a grub> not grub rescue> it's kind of odd because you should have gotten a grub rescue>
[10:28] <dunamis> https://termbin.com/3po0
[10:28] <dunamis> Yes, I have only grub
[10:29] <dunamis> I get only grub on boot
[10:30] <EriC^> yup that's bit odd
[10:31] <dunamis> I guess it
[10:31] <EriC^> cause when the efi file grub loads, it uses that file above to load its other stuff, if it cant you get a grub rescue>
[10:31] <dunamis> strange beahviour
[10:32] <EriC^> yeah
[10:32] <EriC^> could you boot the 'ubuntu' os last time just to check it out? we can investigate what it's using as the prefix variable
[10:33] <dunamis> ok,
[10:35] <EriC^> dunamis2: try in grub> "echo $prefix"
[10:35] <dunamis2> Ok
[10:36] <dunamis2> (hd0,gpt1)/boot/grub
[10:36] <EriC^> ok
[10:37] <EriC^> is the the live usb still plugged in?
[10:37] <dunamis2> No
[10:37] <EriC^> try "ls" it only shows hd0 ?
[10:38] <EriC^> it has gpt5 ? it's the main windows disk?
[10:38] <dunamis2> proc memdisk and only various hd0 gpt
[10:39] <EriC^> aha i guess it's the windows disk then
[10:39] <dunamis2> I don't know it
[10:39] <EriC^> try "ls (hd0,gpt1)/boot" does it return anything?
[10:40] <dunamis2> Not found
[10:43] <EriC^> i see
[10:43] <EriC^> anything happen if you type "normal" ?
[10:44] <dunamis2> No
[10:44] <EriC^> "insmod normal" then "normal" ?
[10:44] <dunamis2> Nothing
[10:44] <EriC^> i guess it cant see the microsd and then defaults to using the efi partition, odd it doesnt say grub rescue> but nothing is there it seems
[10:45] <dunamis2> Yes
[10:45] <dunamis2> I guess it too
[10:45] <EriC^> you could make ubuntu on another usb or disk i guess and be good, if you really are keen on putting it on the microsd i just thought of using efi partition as /boot and keeping it fat32 it should work but the space is so low it would be a pita
[10:45] <dunamis2> Too bad
[10:46] <EriC^> yeah
[10:47] <dunamis2> What if I choose to reset the UEFI boot? How to delete this grub prompt?
[10:51] <EriC^> 1 sec
[10:51] <dunamis2> However thanks for the help
[10:52] <EriC^> dunamis2: to delete it you have to boot the live usb and type 'sudo efibootmgr -v'
[10:53] <dunamis2> Ok 👍
[10:53] <EriC^> then get the number of the entry on the left
[10:53] <dunamis2> Thanks f
[10:53] <EriC^> and type sudo efibootmgr -B -b 0001
[10:53] <EriC^> or whatever number it is
[10:54] <EriC^> no problem
[10:54] <dunamis2> Mmm ok I'll do it later
[11:16] <enr> interstellar
[12:11] <tomreyn> croraf_: $ curl -si https://people.canonical.com/~kernel/info/kernel-version-map.html | grep ^Last-Modified:        reports    "Last-Modified: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 10:45:06 GMT". you can see the same at the directory index at https://people.canonical.com/~kernel/info/ - there's no guarantees that any files or reports or statistics stored on people.canonical.com will regularly and consistently be updated. assuming oteherwise is just wrong. if you have
[12:11] <tomreyn> a question about this specific file, try #ubuntu-kernel
[12:11] <tomreyn> (i see you did)
[12:12] <beh>  Hello,   anyone able to help me diagnose a problem with NetworkManager in noble?     (iwlist scanning shows network interface working;   NetworkManager says "wifi unavailable" and so I can't connect via wifi)
[12:12] <beh> nmtui does not show the wifi interface (wlp4s0) in the devices list when I try to activate a connection...  How can I make it aware of that interface?
[12:13] <tomreyn> !noble | hi beh, please note
[13:39] <amadu> Hello?
[13:42] <tomreyn> hi amadu
[13:43] <tomreyn> do oyu have an ubuntu support question? then just ask, and someone will respond, sooner or later, if they think they know a good answer.
[13:49] <xix3r> Hello guys
[13:49] <xix3r> anybody?
[13:50] <xix3r> whatsupp
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> !ask | xix3r
[13:50] <xix3r> !patience
[13:50] <xix3r> suggest a good clock for i3 except conky
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> xix3r: you can try #ubuntu-discuss for that if you like
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> xix3r: we usualy focus on ubuntu issues in this support channel
[13:51] <xix3r> join #ubuntu-discuss
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> xix3r: /join #ubuntu-discuss
[14:25] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:25] <leftyfb> hi BluesKaj
[14:26] <BluesKaj> Merry Christmas leftyfb :-)
[14:27] <jailbreak> It's not Christmas yet tho...
[14:28] <leftyfb> depends on where you live in the world
[14:28] <BluesKaj> well I'm scandinavian and we celebrate the eve as much as the next day
[14:29] <BluesKaj> altho I'm actually a Canadian citizen
[14:34] <amadu> that's interesting
[14:36] <pavlos> many have dual citizenship
[14:44] <Mandem0110> Merry Christmas 🎁⛄
[14:55] <cicero> hello
[14:56] <jatt> hi see the following entry in the dmesg output:
[14:56] <jatt> [So Dez 24 15:17:38 2023] com.github.john[66815]: segfault at d4 ip 00007274695484a7 sp 00007fff09cb1e70 error 4 in libgtk-3.so.0.2406.32[727469283000+38f000] likely on CPU 1 (core 1, socket 0)
[14:57] <jatt> looks suspicious, but not sure why it happens, I don't have that password cracking software installed
[14:58] <leftyfb> jatt: wipe the machine completely, install ubuntu from scratch, change all your passwords everywhere and then restore from backup
[15:03] <jatt> I see, it might be still to be a false positive, I use the foliate package from the ubuntu archives and that one crashed today, I see the use a very similar namespace as the error: https://github.com/johnfactotum/foliate/issues/785
[15:03] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 785 in johnfactotum/foliate "Segfault on application launch" [Closed]
[15:04] <jatt> so it might be is not truly an attack but just that the foliate application crashed
[15:10] <devzx> hello
[15:10] <devzx> anybody tyerw
[15:11] <Mandem0110> !ask | devzx
[15:18] <tomreyn> leftyfb  / jatt: this would seem like a rather drastic measure with this little information. i would not recommend this at this point.
[15:20] <p0indexter> merry xmas to the devs of a great OS ty !
[15:41] <jatt-> tomreyn: I agree, I investigated further and I think it's a false positive
[15:41] <jatt-> no need to wipe out anything without conclusive evidence
[16:01] <sem> my hardware volume up and down buttons have never worked and I'm trying to troubleshoot finally. This is ubuntu studio 23.10
[16:02] <sem> is there a terminal command that reacts when you press a key so I can verify the hardware itself first
[16:04] <ioria> sem, xev (if you use Xorg)
[16:05] <sem> ioria, hey ioria! Thanks! It looks like that is working for most keys, but it doesn't react to the volume keys, or any of the special "function" keys like brightness...
[16:06] <ioria> sem, no i don't think that will work with Fn keys
[16:08] <sem> wait it is working for some of them, like it works for "microphone off" (which gives keycode 248)
[16:08] <ioria> sem, but it should work for the volum key
[16:08] <sem> it doesn't react to the volume key
[16:08] <sem> so what does this mean -- that xorg doesn't recognize it, or that the hardware is broken
[16:10] <ioria> sem, xev is not reacting, or the volume does not change ?
[16:10] <ioria> or both ?
[16:11] <sem> I have to clarify: The buttons that don't do anything are hardware buttons on the right side of the laptop/tablet. When pressed, they don't change the volume OR react in xev
[16:12] <sem> On my keyboard, F1-F3 keys also double as mute, volume down, and volume up, and those work when pressed, but don't react in xev
[16:12] <ioria> sem, xmodmap -pke | grep -i volum
[16:14] <sem> ok
[16:14] <sem> keycode 122 = XF86AudioLowerVolume NoSymbol XF86AudioLowerVolume
[16:14] <sem> keycode 123 = XF86AudioRaiseVolume NoSymbol XF86AudioRaiseVolume
[16:18] <sem> So if I understand correctly, Xorg is supposed to recognize two keys for volume up/down. Is it possible to find out which keys correspond to 122 and 123? Or is it safe to assume that refers to the hardware vol up/down
[16:18] <ioria> sem, usually they are the mediakeys
[16:24] <sem> so if I understand correctly, when I press them, I should see 122, 123 showing up in xev
[16:25] <sem> if they are not showing up, does that mean my hardware is not supported by ubuntu? If that is the case, can I report it somewhere
[16:27] <sem> i am suspecting I might have to do something with thinkpad_acpi
[16:32] <sem> acpi_listen also shows now output when the mediakeys (vol up/down) are pressed
[16:33] <ioria> sem, are we talking about mediakeys or some sort of hw switch ?
[16:36] <sem> I am not sure what media keys means. My keyboard Function Keys F1-F3 double as mute, vol down, and vol up. They work, show up in acpi_listen, but not in xev. The hardware keys on the side of my laptop don't currently do anything. What are the "mediakeys" ?
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[16:39] <jeremy31> ioria: disconnect
[16:41] <sem> what happened?
[16:42] <ioria> sorry about that, wrong paste
[16:42] <ioria> sem, try to reboot with 'acpi_osi=' kernel parameter
[16:44] <sem> ok
[16:53] <sem> ok ioria I've booted up with acpi_osi= but I don't notice any changes
[16:54] <sem> If I understand correctly that boot param instructs the kernel to not report anything special to acpi? What does it do
[16:55] <ioria> sem, are you using Gnome  ? if so that is controlled by the gsd-media-keys daemon
[16:56] <sem> yes i believe i am in gnome
[16:57] <ioria> sem, open 'Settings' > Keyboard and type 'volume'
[16:58] <sem> I'm there; I don't see any helpful looking settings though. I have input sources, input source switching, special character entry, and keyboard shortcuts
[16:58] <ioria> sem, type 'volume'
[16:59] <sem> I did. It took me to that page
[16:59] <ioria> sem, how are the shortcuts set ?
[16:59] <sem> Ok, I clicked "keyboard shortcuts" and typed volume there.
[16:59] <sem> All three are "disabled"
[16:59] <sem> but if I try to change it and press the hardware key, nothing happens
[17:00] <sem> i suspect they are being controlled by the thinkpad-acpi kernel module somehow
[17:01] <ioria> sem, i see; set one of them
[17:03] <sem> ioria, I'm not sure what you mean? I do not know how to use thinkpad-acpi so I am doing some research
[17:04] <ioria> sem, i mean, set a shortcut for the 'volume down' or 'up', so if you cannot use the Fn or the hw key you can still set the volume
[17:04] <sem> ok i will test it out like that
[17:05] <sem> ioria, alright I've verified that it will accept a new shortcut (ctrl shift alt =)
[17:06] <ioria> sem, ok
[17:06] <sem> this new shortcut works as expected, and the function volume key also still works
[17:18] <sem> according to this thread, I might just need to upgrade the bios https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-Tablets/Weird-volume-button-issue-on-X12-Detachable/m-p/5193244?page=3
[17:20] <sem> Knowing this, I'll have to take a break because I'll have to reinstall windows to update the bios, and I'm not ready to install windows
[17:32] <tomreyn> sem: you probably don't need to install windows to install a bios update. bioses can often load a bios update from a fat formatted usb stick and in some cases you can even upgrade it from ubuntu using fwupdmgr
[17:34] <sem> I've been looking on the LVFS database and it doesn't look like my device is supported (thinkpad X12 detachable gen 1)
[17:34] <sem> but I will try the USB method later. Thanks!
[17:39] <tomreyn> r1gur19w.iso: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'R1GET58W' (bootable)
[17:39] <sem> ioria, is it safe to keep using the system with acpi_osi= or should I reboot? I still don't understand really what it did
[17:43] <tomreyn> https://workaround.org/article/updating-the-bios-on-lenovo-laptops-from-linux-using-a-usb-flash-stick/ should work with this one
[17:43] <sem> sweet, reading it now
[17:49] <baldpope> decided to start here, as I don't think ubuntu-server is appropriate (Though i'm on the fence) = having trouble with apt update on 22.04 complaining about bad signatures for (as example) security.ubuntu.com
[17:50] <baldpope> https://pastebin.com/A5NAbXaq
[17:51] <baldpope> or the dpaste preference https://dpaste.com/H7ZAN7XV4
[18:20] <tomreyn> baldpope: try editing your apt repositories to use httpS URLs.
[18:42] <devrim_> selam
[18:57] <SmirnoffVodka> ubuntu was my first linux
[18:57] <SmirnoffVodka> good learner distro
[18:57] <SmirnoffVodka> or at least used to be
[19:02] <pavlos> baldpope: verify ... https://termbin.com/qre50
[19:16] <pavlos> baldpope: sudo apt clean; sudo apt update
[19:17] <Smashcat> Just tried my annual test install of Linux on spare old gaming PC to see if the desktop has improved. Installed Ubuntu, booted ok. Updated, just black screen LOL! Reinstalling Windows. We'll see if it's working next year :)
[19:28] <solsTiCe_> hi. I get no ui/window showing up when I run element-desktop (the snap version). any idea what is wrong? and how to fix that?
[19:29] <solsTiCe_> using wayland
[22:38] <imi> is there a snapd update log that I can examine?
[22:44] <AngryTom> How can I show all running apps on Unity like on Gnome or Mission Control on macOS?