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lunazestany MIR meeting today or are Canonical people still on vacation?14:45
sarnoldgood morning15:29
eslermgood morning15:29
cpaelzerhiho15:30
cpaelzer#startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status15:31
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cpaelzerPing for MIR meeting - didrocks joalif slyon sarnold cpaelzer jamespage ( eslerm dviererbe )15:31
cpaelzerlet us check who of us is already back15:31
cpaelzerI've seen sarnold and eslerm before the meeting log started  hi15:31
cpaelzerIIRC slyon is still out15:31
cpaelzerso it might be lonely, but still worth to have a look in case something huge came up15:32
cpaelzer#topic current component mismatches15:32
cpaelzerMission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams15:32
cpaelzer#link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg15:32
cpaelzer#link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg15:32
cpaelzerI've already filed an issues for cherrypy3 in server15:32
cpaelzerhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cherrypy3/+bug/204782115:33
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2047821 in objgraph (Ubuntu) "[MIR] objgraph" [Undecided, Incomplete]15:33
cpaelzerand I did an analysis for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nut/+bug/204626315:33
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2046263 in libmodbus (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libmodbus" [Undecided, Incomplete]15:33
cpaelzerI think both are bad and we should not promote them15:33
cpaelzerdetails in the cases and the team needs to follow up15:33
cpaelzerwe see a few other new cases15:34
cpaelzertwo I think15:34
cpaelzerlxml -> pytohn-cssselect (foundations) and duplicity -> setuptools-scm15:34
cpaelzerI think the former casn wait a week until slyon is here15:34
cpaelzerdoko: ^^ in case you want to raise this in the team this week already15:35
cpaelzerjbicha: seb128: didrocks: FYI on the duplicity case15:35
cpaelzerlet us know by next week once you had a chance to look15:35
cpaelzerand then there is a secret which changed in those views15:35
cpaelzersarnold: eslerm: do you spot it?15:35
cpaelzerhint: something is missing15:35
sarnoldthey did look rather smaller than I remembered but I couldn't figure out what was gone :)15:36
cpaelzermaas -> ipmitools is gone after Dimitri and Adam and I sorted that out15:36
sarnoldthere's much less perl around ..15:36
sarnoldOMG OMG OMG15:36
cpaelzerhehe15:36
eslermwhat is the new group they are in?15:36
sarnoldour christmas wishes did come true!15:37
cpaelzerthey are in the maas-community seed which has other things they use but are only on community level of support15:37
cpaelzerwhich is true for ipmitools as well, and in future also isc-dhcp-server which got demoted (we moved that as well)15:37
eslermthat is a good place for them :)15:37
cpaelzerenough happiness, let us look at a potentially huge queue without many people to process it15:38
cpaelzer#topic New MIRs15:38
cpaelzerMission: ensure to assign all incoming reviews for fast processing15:38
cpaelzer#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir15:38
cpaelzerI think I can only pick one which is our promised minimal rate (1 per MIR reviewer per week)15:38
cpaelzerI'll pick the oldest for fairness15:39
cpaelzerdidrocks: slyon: joalif: if you read that later, please consider picking one from the list as well15:39
jamespagelooking15:39
cpaelzeror we get into bad backlog mode15:39
jamespageI can pick https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-pyasyncore/+bug/204616015:39
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2046160 in python-pyasyncore (Ubuntu) "[MIR] python3-pyasyncore" [Undecided, New]15:39
cpaelzerI'll pick  python3-pyasyncore15:39
eslermlibqrtr-glib might be worth checking today too, it looks fairly complete ?15:39
jamespagehah15:39
cpaelzeryou shouldn't do your own jamespage :-)15:39
cpaelzerat least if avoidable15:39
jamespageyeah just saw who raised that15:40
cpaelzeryeah libqrtr-glib seems just a confirmation if we are complete15:40
cpaelzerI can do that15:40
cpaelzerjamespage: which of the remaining ones do you want to pick?15:40
cpaelzerby age it would be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libparams-validate-perl/+bug/204618115:42
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2046181 in libparams-validate-perl (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libparams-validate-perl (as libgetopt-long-descriptive-perl, libmail-dkim-perl dependency)" [Undecided, New]15:42
cpaelzerok with that?15:42
jamespagesure15:42
cpaelzerassigned and thanks15:42
cpaelzer#topic Incomplete bugs / questions15:42
cpaelzerMission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams15:42
cpaelzer#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir15:42
cpaelzernothing happened here in the EOY-shutdown phase15:42
cpaelzer#topic Process/Documentation improvements15:43
cpaelzerMission: Review pending process/documentation pull-requests or issues15:43
cpaelzer#link https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/pulls15:43
cpaelzer#link https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/issues15:43
cpaelzernothing new either15:43
cpaelzer#topic MIR related Security Review Queue15:43
cpaelzerMission: Check on progress, do deadlines seem doable?15:43
cpaelzerSome clients can only work with one, some with the other escaping - the URLs point to the same place.15:43
cpaelzer#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=%5BMIR%5D&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir15:43
cpaelzer#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=[MIR]&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir15:43
cpaelzerInternal link15:43
cpaelzer- ensure your teams items are prioritized among each other as you'd expect15:43
cpaelzer- ensure community requests do not get stomped by teams calling for favors too much15:43
cpaelzer#link https://warthogs.atlassian.net/jira/software/c/projects/SEC/boards/59415:43
cpaelzerI guess not much as well, or was security not allowed to take a timeout as the CVEs do not stop either?15:43
sarnoldwe worked short hours with skeleton crews, no MIRs were worked15:44
eslermpydantic has a draft review done :)15:44
cpaelzersarnold: understandable15:44
cpaelzereslerm: lovely15:45
sarnoldiirc libmysofa had some communication with upstream via private email infrastructure that worked better than via canonical email infrastructure15:45
cpaelzerwhich is the last to get jaraco out of the picture15:45
cpaelzersarnold: yeah you mentioned there were issues, still odd15:45
cpaelzerwell, that is more than I could expect given most were out15:45
cpaelzerthank you two!15:45
cpaelzer#topic Any other business?15:45
cpaelzernothing from me in 2024 yet, except - Happy new year everyone!15:46
sarnoldhappy new year :) that's it from me, hehe15:46
cpaelzerwow - in sync!15:46
cpaelzerin that case, let us not prolong it much more15:46
cpaelzerexcept, well15:46
cpaelzerlunazest: you pinged before15:46
cpaelzerdid you have any question to ask or clarification to make?15:46
sarnoldmy guess is no: luna likes to follow along with the various meetings equally15:50
cpaelzerhmm, not around15:50
cpaelzerwhich I'm happy to hear15:50
cpaelzerbut then we do not need to wait15:50
cpaelzerclsoing out for today15:50
cpaelzerthank you all15:50
lunazestcpaelzer: nope not really started watching Youtube and forgot about the meeting sorry15:50
cpaelzerhehe15:50
cpaelzerok lunazest15:50
sarnoldooh, enjoy :)15:51
cpaelzer#endmeeting15:51
meetingologyMeeting ended at 15:51:08 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-01-02-15.31.moin.txt15:51
sarnoldthanks cpaelzer, eslerm, jamespage :)15:51
lunazestwell check the minutes later, bye for now15:51
jamespagethanks all15:51
jamespagettfn15:51
eslermthanks all o/15:52
didrockscpaelzer: I’m picking libgetopt-long-descriptive-perl for the sake of older-is-more-fair :)16:05
didrockson duplicity, I will let seb128 and jbicha handling it16:07
cpaelzerthanks didrocks16:40
* vorlon waves19:58
rbasak-mobileo/19:58
sil2100o/19:59
amurrayo/19:59
rbasak-mobileSlow typing today as I'm on the road and left my laptop in the wrong car by accident. Sorry!19:59
sil2100No worries! Should I chair today perhaps?20:00
sil2100Been a while20:00
rbasak-mobileYes please thanks20:00
vorlonhere, but I'm going to be slow at typing today for a minute as well; just got back from a walk in the rain and my hands are stiff :-)20:00
sil2100#startmeeting Ubuntu Technical Board20:00
meetingologyMeeting started at 20:00:33 UTC.  The chair is sil2100.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology20:00
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sil2100#topic Apologies20:00
sil2100I guess seb is out, right?20:00
amurrayhe doesn't appear to be online from what I can see20:01
sil2100I can't remember if he sent anything, but I think he's still out-of-office20:01
sil2100#topic Action review20:01
sil2100ACTION: seb128/amurray/sil200 to help drafting the snap-store Ubuntu-specific tracks usage20:01
sil2100Not sure about seb or amurray, but I didn't work on this yet20:02
rbasak-mobileMy actions all need carrying over please.20:02
amurrayI recall seeing some update to the doc but I need to look at it again - carry over please20:02
sil2100Hopefully I can contribute more in the nearest month20:02
sil2100ACK20:02
vorlon(confirmed that Seb is OoO)20:03
sil2100#action seb128/amurray/sil2100 to help drafting the snap-store Ubuntu-specific tracks usage20:03
meetingologyACTION: seb128/amurray/sil2100 to help drafting the snap-store Ubuntu-specific tracks usage20:03
vorlonmy action is also carry-over20:03
sil2100Now some actions from rbasak-mobile, carrying-over as requested20:03
sil2100#action rbasak to draft a proposal of the DMB-proposed inactivity expiration policy for TB ratification20:03
meetingologyACTION: rbasak to draft a proposal of the DMB-proposed inactivity expiration policy for TB ratification20:03
sil2100#action rbasak to follow up on finding consensus on question of test plans for third party apps20:03
meetingologyACTION: rbasak to follow up on finding consensus on question of test plans for third party apps20:03
sil2100#action rbasak to open wider discussion on third-party repo policy20:04
meetingologyACTION: rbasak to open wider discussion on third-party repo policy20:04
sil2100Next is:20:04
sil2100CTION: seb128 to continue working with SRU, AA, Release, Backporters and Security teams to document their membership process and link to it from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoard#Team_Delegations20:04
sil2100I guess best would be if we had seb here20:04
sil2100I am certainly still responsible for the Release team documentation. As the release team knows, I have a short draft that I need to make public somewhere20:05
sil2100I'll discuss with the release team on the best placement for that20:05
sil2100Anything to add before I carry it over?20:05
vorlonno; I think it's clearly carry-over20:05
sil2100#action seb128 to continue working with SRU, AA, Release, Backporters and Security teams to document their membership process and link to it from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoard#Team_Delegations20:05
meetingologyACTION: seb128 to continue working with SRU, AA, Release, Backporters and Security teams to document their membership process and link to it from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoard#Team_Delegations20:05
rbasak-mobileI think the SRU side is done on the ML and just meeds transferring to formal docs20:06
sil2100Some carry overs:20:06
sil2100#action vorlon to write up draft guidelines for packages in the archive that download from the Internet20:06
meetingologyACTION: vorlon to write up draft guidelines for packages in the archive that download from the Internet20:06
sil2100#action seb128 to follow-up with ubuntu cinnamon on 24.04 request20:06
meetingologyACTION: seb128 to follow-up with ubuntu cinnamon on 24.04 request20:06
sil2100Now an action for me, but I think it's actually done:20:06
sil2100ACTION: sil2100 to follow-up with ubuntu studio on 24.04 request20:06
sil2100In my latest reply to the LTS qualification, I signed off it with my TB hat20:07
sil2100So I consider this one done20:07
sil2100(no carry over)20:08
tsimonq2I have Lubuntu's draft LTS qualification on my desk and ready for a final ack today. Expect that soon.20:08
sil2100ACTION: amurray to follow-up with edubuntu on 24.04 request20:08
sil2100amurray: how's your item looking? ^20:08
sil2100tsimonq2: excellent20:08
amurrayI was waiting on them posting the support policy in some public location but I don't think they have anything (are apparently waiting on IS for their web hosting iirc)20:09
Eickmeyeramurray: Hi! As far as I was aware, that wasn't a hard requirement.20:09
vorlonsil2100: you're signing off as an individual TB member?  I think it's better governance-wise to have TB votes on these, as in the example of ubuntu-unity20:09
sil2100vorlon: oh, I was not aware that was the process20:10
vorlonwell the wiki page says "TB" not "a member of the TB"20:10
sil2100vorlon: I thought in the past I saw it being single people signing off20:10
sil2100Then we can vote for that for sure20:10
sil2100#vote Signing off on Ubuntu Studio on 24.04 LTS request20:11
meetingologyPlease vote on: Signing off on Ubuntu Studio on 24.04 LTS request20:11
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, -1 or +0 in channel (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1|-1|+0 #channelname')20:11
sil2100+120:11
meetingology+1 received from sil210020:11
vorlon+120:11
meetingology+1 received from vorlon20:11
amurray+120:11
meetingology+1 received from amurray20:11
rbasak-mobile+1 see ML thread - I'm merely choosing to follow sil2100 and vorlon here.20:12
meetingology+1 see ML thread - I'm merely choosing to follow sil2100 and vorlon here. received from rbasak-mobile20:12
vorlonaddendum: we ought to make sure we have some central place collecting the state of LTS sign-off for all the flavors20:12
sil2100#endvote20:12
meetingologyVoting ended on: Signing off on Ubuntu Studio on 24.04 LTS request20:12
meetingologyVotes for: 4, Votes against: 0, Abstentions: 020:12
meetingologyMotion carried20:12
sil2100vorlon: +1 on that too!20:12
sil2100For now I'll follow up on the thread, let me add an action for that20:12
sil2100#action sil2100 to send confirmation of successful LTS status for Ubuntu Studio 24.0420:13
meetingologyACTION: sil2100 to send confirmation of successful LTS status for Ubuntu Studio 24.0420:13
sil2100Back to the previous action item20:13
vorlondo we want it in the 24.04 release notes in the discourse, or do we want it in a wiki page?20:13
tsimonq2addendum> There is an existing Discourse thread tracking information about 24.04 participation that also includes these details. I would suggest to the TB that they should manage a Discourse post with the official list.20:14
sil2100amurray: do you consider this a hard requirement for the policy to be made available right now, or would you be happy for this happening later?20:14
tsimonq2#link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/responses-needed-flavor-participation-for-24-04-lts/4007520:14
amurrayno I don't consider it a hard policy but I think we would definitely want it before the release goes live20:14
amurrays/policy/requirement/20:14
sil2100amurray: +1 indeed20:15
sil2100amurray: if you're fine with the request otherwise, do you want to vote for it now?20:15
vorlonas long as the flavor commits to having it up by release time, regardless of domain hosting status20:15
sil2100Eickmeyer: ^ is that something you can commit to?20:16
EickmeyerThat puts Edubuntu in a rough situation with our current hosting situation. We simply do *not* have a place to put it.20:16
rbasak-mobileIt seems weird to be waiting just because of an issue with publication in a particular place. I suggest just using Discourse in the meantime and so whether it is blocking or not shouldn't even need to be a question.20:16
EickmeyerWe're working with Aaron Prisk to get IS to work on this, but they don't have it as a priority item.20:16
sil2100So maybe like this: if by around release time the hosting situation is still not solved, would it be possible for you to publish a discourse post with all the details instead?20:17
Eickmeyersil2100: It will be in the release notes for sure if the hosting situation isn't resolved. Our release notes have been published to Discourse in the meantime.20:17
vorlonNB hosting of per-flavor websites is not listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedFlavors as part of what Canonical commits to20:17
sil2100Eickmeyer: that sounds like a good plan B to me20:18
sil2100amurray WDYT?20:18
amurrayworks for me20:18
sil2100Let's vote20:18
Eickmeyervorlon: Edubuntu used to be hosted by Canonical, and Ubuntu Studio currently is, along with Kubuntu, so there's precident.20:18
sil2100#vote Signing off on Edubuntu 24.04 LTS request20:19
meetingologyPlease vote on: Signing off on Edubuntu 24.04 LTS request20:19
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, -1 or +0 in channel (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1|-1|+0 #channelname')20:19
rbasak-mobileNo precedent for an SLA though. I didn't think hosting at all or not was in question?20:19
sil2100+1 (with the compromise as we discussed above)20:19
meetingology+1 (with the compromise as we discussed above) received from sil210020:19
amurray+120:19
meetingology+1 received from amurray20:19
vorlonthe point is that from a governance perspective, the flavors are responsible for meeting the LTS requirements, and this isn't a buck that can be passed to Canonical IS20:20
arraybolt3There's already a workaround in place, there's no buck being passed that I can see.20:21
sil2100(vorlon, rbasak-mobile ^)20:21
vorlon+120:22
meetingology+1 received from vorlon20:22
rbasak-mobile+1 see ML thread - I'm merely choosing to follow sil2100 and vorlon here.20:22
meetingology+1 see ML thread - I'm merely choosing to follow sil2100 and vorlon here. received from rbasak-mobile20:22
sil2100#endvote20:22
meetingologyVoting ended on: Signing off on Edubuntu 24.04 LTS request20:22
meetingologyVotes for: 4, Votes against: 0, Abstentions: 020:22
meetingologyMotion carried20:22
sil2100amurray: can you follow up with the final decision on the thread? Thank you!20:23
amurrayyep20:23
sil2100#action amurray to send confirmation of successful LTS status for Edubuntu 24.0420:23
meetingologyACTION: amurray to send confirmation of successful LTS status for Edubuntu 24.0420:23
sil2100Carrying over seb's item20:23
sil2100#action seb128 to follow-up with ubuntu budgie on 24.04 request20:23
meetingologyACTION: seb128 to follow-up with ubuntu budgie on 24.04 request20:23
sil2100ACTION: amurray to follow-up with ubuntu kylin on 24.04 request20:23
sil2100amurray: ^ any luck with Kylin? I might have missed any ML threads regarding this20:24
amurrayI proposed voting via email yesterday20:24
tsimonq2rbasak-mobile: There is existing precedence for flavors to ask Canonical to host infrastructure, however, to my knowledge it's been a courtesy rather than a requirement. For example, our domain is hosted by Canonical, and if that goes down, that would certainly reflect poorly on our qualification efforts.20:24
vorlonsince the UbuntuKylin vote has already been called on the mailing list I propose we continue it there rather than voting in the meeting20:25
sil2100amurray: do you want to vote here instead?20:25
amurrayI think email is fine20:25
sil2100ACK o/20:26
sil2100I'll carry it over then20:26
rbasak-mobileI agree but again this shouldn't be relevant or seen as blocking. We can be pragmatic and just publish somewhere else eg. Discourse. Not need for this to formally block anything.20:26
sil2100#action amurray to follow-up with ubuntu kylin on 24.04 request20:26
meetingologyACTION: amurray to follow-up with ubuntu kylin on 24.04 request20:26
sil2100Okay, let's move on20:26
sil2100#topic Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed20:26
vorlonnote that there is also CFV on the mailing list for Ubuntu Unity20:26
vorlonwhich wasn't assigned to me in the TB meeting when they were being assigned because I wasn't able to attend, instead I just picked up the ones that hadn't been assigned20:27
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sil2100I'll try to follow up on those with votes then20:27
sil2100I think there are no actionable items on the ML that do not have actions already, from what I know?20:27
sil2100Since we have the participation e-mails, the process thread, and all those have action items assigned20:28
rbasak-mobileI think it's worth following up on a multitude of issues raised by the mutter regression but I'll follow up on the list first, hopefully this week.20:28
sil2100rbasak-mobile: thanks20:28
sil2100#topic Check up on community bugs and techboard bugs'20:28
sil2100Nothing new there20:29
sil2100#topic Select a chair for the next meeting20:29
sil2100That would be amurray, with rbasak-mobile as backup20:29
sil2100If that'20:29
vorlonI'm very confused by that20:29
sil2100If that's fine20:29
vorlonthe wiki page said it was supposed to be seb128 with me as backup20:30
sil2100Well, amurray is next after me, right?20:30
vorlonare we just jumping the pointer?20:30
sil2100I have volunteered today as I have not chaired for quite a long time20:30
vorlonI don't mind, it's just not historical practice :)20:30
sil2100#topic AOB20:31
amurrayfwiw I think I am on leave during the next scheduled TB meeting so not sure if I will be able to make it at this time20:31
sil2100Ah, so maybe back to the scheduled chairs then? seb and vorlon as backup?20:31
sil2100If there are no objections, I'd propose that then20:32
sil2100Any other business?20:32
vorlonnothing else from me20:33
amurraynor from me20:33
rbasak-mobilePlease don't wait on everyone to say no :-)20:34
sil2100;)20:35
sil2100#endmeeting20:35
meetingologyMeeting ended at 20:35:29 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-01-02-20.00.moin.txt20:35
sil2100Thank you everyone! Let me update the agenda etc.20:35
amurraythanks sil210020:35
sil2100Oh, and happy new year o/20:35
rbasak-mobileThank you!20:36
amurrayindeed - HNY!20:36
vorlonhappy new year, all20:36

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