 CD image lubuntu/noble/daily-live failed to build on 20240107
 I'll give it an hour to settle down then retry it
[13:44] <arraybolt3> I wonder what we think about introducing support for Bcachefs in Noble if we end up with the 6.7 kernel or newer.
 +1 as a btrfs user
 also +1
[13:59] <arraybolt3> hmm, though I think Ubuntu LTS generally uses LTS kernels right?
[14:00] <arraybolt3> 6.6 is the newest LTS kernel, 6.7 isn't, so... :-/
[17:08] <tsimonq2> I am happy to inform all of you that Aaron Rainbolt is now an Ubuntu Master of the Universe. Please join me in congratulating him!
 (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> I am happy to inform all of you that Aaron Rainbolt is now an Ubuntu Master of the Universe. Please join me in congratulating him!)
 \o/
 That is absolutely amazing! Congratulations arraybolt3
 Congrats!!!!
 https://mir-s3-cdn-cf.behance.net/project_modules/max_1200/51f0c986071735.5d8e459467823.jpg
 Yes big Congrats to Aaron
[17:13] <arraybolt3_tl> Thank you guys!
[17:13] <arraybolt3_tl> that was scary, nervous, and very fun :P
 That's the type of adventure we like to provide.
[17:37] <tsimonq2> ^^^^
[17:48] <tsimonq2> https://github.com/qtilities/qtilitools/commit/70e2eb2c68cb57072d78745ef0712de87b7f7320
[17:48] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Commit 70e2eb2 in qtilities/qtilitools "Simplified qtls_translate_desktop script"
[17:49] <tsimonq2> Low-hanging fruit: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qpdfview/0.5.0+ds-3
 Hi. I think found a bug (unintended behavior) in the new installer-prompt. Should I report it on Launchpad or is there a way to find out whether it's intended behavior or not? Basically after you choose Install Lubuntu the Try or Install Lubuntu process is still running and one can just alt-tab to it, but the fullscreen window is unresponsive (the language dialog doesn't work).
[18:27] <arraybolt3> All of that is *basically* intentional behavior (you shouldn't be able to change the language after starting the installer since that restarts the whole session), though the fact that the installer disappears under the fullscreen window is less than ideal.
[18:27] <arraybolt3> Perhaps we should be setting an "always on bottom" flag on the installer prompt window, and maybe even replace the UI elements with static labels after launching the installer.
[18:28] <arraybolt3> Nani72Noni: Do report it, that's a good one we should fix.
 Is there a reason why we can’t just exit the process? Sorry if it’s obvious 🥲 (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3> Perhaps we should be setting an "always on bottom" flag on the installer prompt window, and maybe even replace the UI elements with static labels after launching the installer.)
[18:52] <arraybolt3> Which process?
[18:52] <arraybolt3> If you mean the background screen, exiting and restarting it while the installation was running wouldn't be very helpful, the installer would still display in the language it was launched in.
[18:52] <arraybolt3> The installer itself can't be restarted since that could interrupt an installation that was actively in progress, resulting in potentially severe data corruption.
 I’m talking about the try or install Lubuntu window. Once the installer is launched, what’s the point of keeping the try or install Lubuntu window in the background at all. The installer has been launched with the chosen language and I don’t see the reason to still have the try or install Lubuntu process still running once the installer is opened. It makes sense we can’t just kill the calamares installer 😂 (re @lubun
[18:57] <arraybolt3> ah, that's because it's the thing displaying the pretty background :D without it you get a plain black screen. Also currently the way things are set up, if you kill the installer prompt process, it immediately launches an LXQt session since it assumes you hit the "Try Lubuntu" button or the installer failed.
[18:57] <arraybolt3> Probably the easiest solution would be to clear all widgets off of the screen once the installer was launched, and make the installer prompt window always stay at the bottom of the window stack. Then once the install button is clicked, it becomes nothing more than a wallpaper.
[18:58] <arraybolt3> that's my first idea anyway, open to alternate ideas
 That makes sense. I’ll report it and see if we can think of other possible fixes. Thank you for the explanation :) (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3> Probably the easiest solution would be to clear all widgets off of the screen once the installer was launched, and make the installer prompt window always stay at the bottom of the window stack. Then once the install button is clicked, it becomes nothing more than a wallpaper.
[19:03] <arraybolt3> Thank you for bringing it up and discussing it!
 arraybolt3: Occam's Razor
 Fork the process out and just terminate the installer prompt :P
[19:54] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: which makes the wallpaper vanish and triggers the LXQt session to start :-/
[19:55] <arraybolt3> remember the thing that starts the LXQt session is not the installer prompt binary,
 so we trigger all of that from within the installer prompt instead?
[19:55] <arraybolt3> but rather a script that watches for the installer prompt to die.
 Here's the bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-installer-prompt/+bug/2048691
 I'll add more details (and a video if that helps) once I have more time.
[19:55] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2048691 in lubuntu-installer-prompt (Ubuntu) "The 'Try or Install Lubuntu' window stays open after the 'Install Lubuntu' option is chosen" [Undecided, New]
 Thank you!! 😁 (re @Nani72Noni: Here's the bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-installer-prompt/+bug/2048691
 I'll add more details (and a video if that helps) once I have more time.)
 or... or Aaron hear me out...
 we split that start LXQt stuff into its own script
 and then on Try Lubuntu we fork the process and kill the installer prompt ;P
 QProcess is pretty useful
[19:56] <arraybolt3> I guess it could work, unsure what will happen to the child processes when the parent dies.
[19:56] <arraybolt3> In Bash it's easy to background and disown things, no clue how to do that in Qt.
[19:57] <arraybolt3> though I'm sure it's possible
[19:57] <arraybolt3> but even if we did the fork and kill for the Try Lubuntu button, that still doesn't help the situation for when the user clicks Install Lubuntu.
[19:57] <arraybolt3> Which is the problem Nani72Noni found - confusing widgets left over after clicking Install.
[19:58] <arraybolt3> any way we slice it, we have to have *some* process providing the pretty wallpaper. Why make an entire extra executable when we could just hide all the widgets and leave the wallapper?
[19:58] <arraybolt3> (my keyboar hates me)
[19:58] <arraybolt3> and I just used this keyboard for my meetings, what on earth
[19:59] <arraybolt3> we already do some widget hiding when Install is pressed, so it seems like that solution should take only a few extra lines of code.
 Sorry, I don’t understand what we need the wallpaper for at that point. The calamares installer is in full screen and the Try or Install Lubuntu window is not visible unless deliberately accessed (via alt-tab) (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3> any way we slice it, we have to have *some* process providing the pretty wallpaper. Why make an entire extra executable when we could just hide all the widgets and leave the wallappe
 This is true
[20:00] <arraybolt3> Multiple monitors
[20:00] <arraybolt3> the fullscreen installer will cover the main screen, but not all the others the user might have attached
[20:01] <arraybolt3> the wallpaper will still display on those
 Ah I see… I didn’t think about that at all 😂
[20:01] <arraybolt3> us neither originally :P
[20:03] <arraybolt3> As for keeping the prompt window from being alt-tab-able and keeping it on the bottom, perhaps something from pcmanfm's source code will give us a hint there? They pull it off somehow since that's the application that provides the desktop icons.
[20:03] <arraybolt3> *pcmanfm-qt, sorry
[20:03] <arraybolt3> (pcmanfm itself is a GTK application, pcmanfm-qt is the Qt port)
[20:40] <guiverc2> Congratulations Aaron ( arraybolt3 )
[21:31] <arraybolt3> guiverc: Thanks :D
 guiverc: What's the best platform to PM you on these days?
[23:28] <guiverc> probably here on IRC.. if this machine is awake it should be viewable (if you're on IRC; aest ~day times mostly) & 'ping' lasts ~4.7 mins.. i heard ping here & a corella (white parrot) quietly 'pinging' & am here after giving parrot some seed...
[23:28] <guiverc> i have telegram window open on screen (that screen is sometimes off though)... pinging on IRC I notice first/earliest