[02:03] <admin_> hello
[02:04] <admin_> this is my first time using Armbian chat
[02:04] <admin_> it is very impressive i must say.
[02:06] <leftyfb> admin_: you might be looking for #raspberrypi
[02:06] <admin_> im actually using orange pi 5 atm
[02:07] <leftyfb> admin_: ok, this is #ubuntu
[02:07] <admin_> how do i change my alias in here
[02:07] <leftyfb> !help | admin_
[02:07] <leftyfb> admin_: please /join #libera for help with IRC
[02:07] <leftyfb> admin_: this is an Ubuntu support channel. For Ubuntu
[02:08] <admin_> ok sure
[02:08] <admin_> !help
[02:08] <leftyfb> admin_: type:    /join #libera
[02:11] <dTal> admin_ could have used some more gentle guidance
[02:12] <Michael_From_Syd> anyone have the solution enable sound via xrdp on armbian jammy?
[02:12] <dTal> Michael_From_Syd:  You may be under the impression that this is some sort of dedicated "armbian chat". This room has nothing to do with armbian, and people here are liable to get tetchy if you ask questions about it.
[02:13] <leftyfb> Michael_From_Syd: sorry, but we cannot support Armbian here. Try #armbian
[02:13] <Michael_From_Syd> armbian and ubuntu im having some issue
[02:13] <Michael_From_Syd> same*
[02:18] <Michael_From_Syd> you need to be logged into your NickServ account < any guides on this please ?
[02:19] <sarnold> Michael_From_Syd: /msg nickserv help register --  that'll get you started
[02:21] <Michael_From_Syd> REGISTER magicbook mickcai@gmail.com
[02:21] <Michael_From_Syd> oops
[02:22] <leftyfb> Michael_From_Syd: /join #armbian
[02:22] <leftyfb> type that into your IRC client
[02:22] <Michael_From_Syd> im using hexchat from ubuntu
[02:23] <leftyfb> no, you're using hexchat from armbian
[02:24] <sarnold> Michael_From_Syd: please pick a better password :)
[02:24] <Michael_From_Syd> done.. can someone delete my email in this chat lol..
[02:24] <sarnold> no, irc has no state
[02:25] <sarnold> the servers sent it to everybody in the channel immediately, and now it's replicated in a few hundred clients, logs, etc, but it no longer exists in irc at all
[02:27] <Michael_From_Syd> this chat reminds me of the 90s <3
[02:27] <rbox> well IRC waas created in 1988...
[02:28] <Michael_From_Syd> i love it
[02:28] <Michael_From_Syd> just recently starting to use dockers on linux and testing all flavours of linux
[02:29] <Michael_From_Syd> using orange pi 5 and raspberry pi
[02:29] <leftyfb> Michael_From_Syd: we try to keep this channel strictly to Ubuntu support questions. Feel free to /join #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Or in the case of running something other than Ubuntu, maybe #linux-offtopic
[02:31] <Michael_From_Syd> ok joining now.. thank you
[02:46] <zeratul> do you know how to uninstall everything realted to snaps from Ubuntu running in WSL ?
[02:46] <zeratul> *related to
[02:47] <leftyfb> zeratul: sudo apt remove --purge snapd
[02:47] <zeratul> leftyfb, sweet music!
[02:49] <leftyfb> zeratul: I wouldn't recommend that though. There's a lot of applications are more up to date with snap and some are only available via snap
[02:52] <zeratul> I'll take my chances
[04:16] <aarush> gu
[04:19] <aarush> well bye
[06:02] <lubuntu> sdsd
[06:02] <lubuntu> sdoijqdoijqwdioj
[06:02] <lubuntu> fuck
[06:02] <lubuntu> fuck
[06:02] <lubuntu> fuck
[06:02] <lubuntu> fuck
[06:02] <lubuntu> fuck
[06:28] <codebam> how do I fix this?
[06:28] <codebam> E: The repository 'http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu impish Release' does not have a Release file.
[06:28] <rbox> impish is end of life
[06:29] <codebam> yeah just noticed that. doing a release upgrade
[06:29] <codebam> thanks
[06:55] <codebam> how do I give a new user permissions to run firefox? I added it with `useradd new_user` and manually created a home directory
[06:55] <codebam> 2024/01/09 06:55:21.201662 cmd_run.go:1055: WARNING: cannot start document portal: dial unix /run/user/0/bus: connect: permission denied
[06:55] <codebam> I'm connected with ssh so that could also be why?
[06:57] <rbox> if you've ssh'd in, how do you want to run firefox
[06:57] <codebam> I used X forwarding with -X
[06:57] <rbox>  /run/user/0 sounds like root...
[06:57] <codebam> okay I'll try forwarding just the user
[07:08] <nutchip> halo
[07:33] <bruno_> hello
[08:13] <sally-nwamama> okay wow
[10:11] <firethelazor> hey
[10:12] <firethelazor> any one here know about ndi
[10:49] <hans__> "docker" is a "transitional package" to.. what?
[11:05] <ogra_> hans__, "apt-cache show docker" ...  it should tell in the package description
[11:05] <ogra_> (transitional packages usually do ..)
[11:08] <lacrymology> I just ran out of space in /boot... how do I deal with that? I'll need to boot from media to resize, right?
[11:09] <lacrymology> hm, gparted says there's like 230mb left
[11:11] <HurstvilleGuy> does anyone have the code to install chrome ?
[11:17] <HurstvilleGuy> got it.
[11:30] <akik> lacrymology: remove old kernels that you don't need any more
[11:34] <ogra_> but make sure to use apt for this, dont just delete files ...
[11:34] <PeGaSuS> can I disable snap confinement for a specific application, like Firefox i.e?
[11:35] <ogra_> nope
[11:36] <ogra_> snap confinement is defined at package build time only, if the packager did not enable any interfaces (which are the things to allow circumventing confinement for defined parts of the system), you wont be able to turn it off ...
[11:38] <ogra_> that said ... there are ways like i.e. bínd mounts to make stuff available to confined applications in their confined space
[11:39] <PeGaSuS> I guess that I'll need to follow this method to use it as a deb package which allows me to directly import stuff from Chrome: https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/install-firefox-deb-ubuntu-22-04/
[11:40] <ogra_> what do you want to import ? you can surely just copy things into the FF config dirs as you can without confinement
[11:40] <ogra_> i'd not switch to a completely unsupported browser for just this ...
[11:41] <PeGaSuS> on windows I can simply import data directly from Chrome to Firefox (passwords, etc). now, with snaps I just can't on Ubuntu
[11:43] <ogra_> PeGaSuS, https://logmeonce.com/resources/transfer-passwords-from-chrome-to-firefox-2/
[11:44] <ogra_> should work with the snapped firefox as well
[11:44] <ogra_> (point 1 that is ... i.e. export from chrome to your home, then import from FF)
[11:45] <PeGaSuS> nope. on the snap package the "Google Chrome" option doesn't appear
[11:45] <ogra_> read the page ... point 1 only ...
[11:47] <PeGaSuS> I want more data than only passwords. I want bookmarks and other stuff. this idea of "let's use snap for everything" is more cumbersome and more annoying than anything
[11:48] <ogra_> well, once there was a security vulnerability in a browser and everyone lost their online banking account data to a scammer you might re-consider these words 😉
[11:50] <PeGaSuS> so, we should limit every user just because a handful of them are unable to protect themselves?
[11:50] <ogra_> i'd personally not use unsnapped browsers for security relevant tasks anymore ... but it is your system indeed, install a deb based FF if you feel like, instructions are out there, but note that we can not support a deb based firefox here  🙂
[11:51] <ogra_> (or in any other official ubuntu support venues)
[11:51] <ogra_> i'm sure there are similar methods as above for importing bookmarks, history and other stuff if you google a bit
[11:54] <PeGaSuS> which only frustrates people because now we have to go into hoops that we previously didn't have to
[11:54] <ogra_> file a bug ... i'm sure the mozilla guys would happily work with the snapd peaople to create a snap interface to allow direct imports
[11:55] <ogra_> ... it just doesnt exist today ... and it wont if nobody tells them
[11:58] <spinningCat> i dont know why ubuntu cannot connect wireless netork that i can connect with windos without problem
[12:07] <PeGaSuS> the "bug" shouldn't be a bug because it worked before the move to snap. I'll install Firefox from the PPA, change PPA priority and done
[12:08] <ogra_> better use the tarball ... the PPA is just for testing backports to old ubuntu releases, it will eventually go away
[12:08] <ogra_> (so you might silently stop getting updates at some point)
[14:41] <amcsi_> in Xubuntu how do I disable middle clicking on a window panel minimizing the window?
[14:47] <pragmaticenigma> amcsi_: Right click on Panel > Panel preferences > Items > Window Buttons > Settings > Behaviour : Middle Click Action
[14:48] <pragmaticenigma> amcsi_: There is also a #xubuntu channel where you will probably get answers XFCE desktop questions a little quicker. This channel is mostly volunteers running Ubuntu Desktop (with Gnome)
[14:52] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:55] <respawn> hi
[14:55] <respawn> Ella Fitzgerald Blue Skies
[15:19] <Menzador> respawn: That's an Irving Berlin song btw
[15:24] <respawn> it reminds me of series Picard that song
[15:33] <supesdupes> What is the name of that graphical store that is in ubuntu, but also any other distro that is a fork of GNOME software, but purely for snaps? I heard of a snap store that got deprecated in ubuntu and a new different one.
[15:45] <ubuntustudio> !help
[15:47] <leftyfb> supesdupes: huh?
[15:47] <supesdupes> Poorly written question, I know. Until I rewrite it, you can disregard it.
[16:05] <cocevich> Welcome to Bachmut
[16:07] <leftyfb> cocevich: can we help you with something?
[16:08] <cocevich> No, thank you. It was a mistake
[16:10] <AngryTom> I get sound stutter with 23.10 on VMware Fusion. Changing to X11 didn't help. Any ideas?
[16:12] <Guest99> hi, I am running ubuntu-desktop 23.10. My CPU is amd r7 6800H. After installing google-chrome if I run it from command line, I can see endless repeated error messages: "ERROR:vulkan_swap_chain.cc(409)] Swapchain is suboptimal.". In chrome about:gpu, it shows webgpu is disabled. I am not sure if this is related. I did google, but don't find any
[16:12] <Guest99> proper solutions yet. Maybe it's something related to my gpu driver. I am not sure.
[16:14] <leftyfb> Guest99: can you try chromium and see if you have the same issue?  sudo apt install chromium-browser
[16:15] <Guest99> thanks. I will try that now.
[16:16] <Guest99> btw, it's installing from snap store. I don't like snap.
[16:19] <leftyfb> Guest99: did you get the same issue with chromium?
[16:21] <Guest99> leftyfb: I just tried chromium. It doesn't report the same error message. It outputs different error message. webgpu and Vulkan are disabled too. There are more features disabled in chromium. Which pastebin is preferred here? I can paste the error outputs. They are not endless repeated though.
[16:22] <Guest99> !pastebin
[16:23] <Guest99> leftyfb: this pastebin is for chromium: https://dpaste.com/HGNYVABKM
[16:24] <leftyfb> Guest99: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1477966/using-chromium-with-vulkan
[16:26] <Guest99> leftyfb: this is for chrome: https://dpaste.com/AQMAKHGCX
[16:27] <Guest99> leftyfb: thanks for the link. will using-chromium-with-vulkan solve chrome issue too? I will use chrome in the end. I won't use chromium.
[16:27] <leftyfb> Guest99: sorry, but we can only help with packages in the official ubuntu repositories. That said, resolving the Vulkan issues with chromium might or might not resolve the issues with chrome
[16:28] <Guest99> I can not access reddit. It blocked my IP. No other websites do this, only reddit.
[16:29] <leftyfb> Guest99: the link I gave you is not reddit
[16:30] <Guest99> I think the answer is just a link points to reddit webpage. maybe I am wrong?
[16:31] <leftyfb> Guest99: try the parameter and/or the options at the bottom
[16:32] <Guest99> leftyfb: I tried "--gpu-active-vendor-id=0x1001", it doesn't work.
[16:33] <Guest99> I am using amd r7 6800h. gpu: [Radeon 680M]
[16:39] <Guest99> Should I install amd gpu driver from adm.com?
[16:39] <Guest99> I  mean amd.com. sorry, typo
[16:40] <leftyfb> Guest99: did you try the options at the bottom of the link I gave you?
[16:41] <Guest99> leftyfb: which option? I said I tried "--gpu-active-vendor-id=0x1001". it doesn't work.
[16:42] <leftyfb> did you try enabling vulan in the chrome://flags/ ?
[16:42] <Guest99> I just tried "--enable-features=Vulkan,webgpu", it doesn't work either. The post author said it didn't work.
[16:43] <leftyfb> ok, then you might want to try different gpu drivers
[16:43] <leftyfb> sorry, but I have almost no experience with AMD GPU drivers
[16:43] <Guest99> leftyfb: No. I just checked chrome://flags/ in chromium. That page does not have "vulan" keyword.
[16:44] <leftyfb> I meant vulkan
[16:45] <Guest99> leftyfb: sure, thank you very much for your help. I will search how to install amd proprietary driver.
[16:45] <leftyfb> !amd | Guest99
[16:45] <Guest99> leftyfb: I just enabled "vulkan" in chrome://flags/. Nothing changed.
[17:01] <jpeng6011> d
[17:01] <jpeng6011> d
[17:01] <jpeng6011> w
[17:01] <jpeng6011> w
[17:01] <jpeng6011> w
[17:01] <jpeng6011> w
[17:07] <de-facto> why is snap such a disaster? it enforces to install some packages but cant even update them with a default setup
[17:07] <de-facto> update error message "snap has no updates available" for the update
[17:07] <de-facto> aha, well how can i get rid of that nonsense?
[17:08] <leftyfb> wait for an update to become available?
[17:08] <de-facto> how long?
[17:08] <de-facto> i retried several times
[17:08] <leftyfb> ask the maintiner of the package
[17:09] <de-facto> core20
[17:09] <de-facto> what for do i need that snap nonsense at all? cant i uninstall the whole thing?
[17:09] <leftyfb> why do you think you need an update for core20?
[17:09] <de-facto> the update manager wants to update it
[17:10] <leftyfb> can you take a screenshot?
[17:10] <de-facto> "ubuntu software"
[17:11] <de-facto> leftyfb, https://i.imgur.com/L3hlJN9.png
[17:12] <leftyfb> !bug | de-facto
[17:12] <de-facto> freshly installed 22.04
[17:12] <leftyfb> de-facto: what release of ubuntu are you running?
[17:12] <leftyfb> odd
[17:14]  * de-facto hates snap with a passion
[17:15] <de-facto> i didnt even do anything to it and it already fails with default fresh setup out of the box
[17:16] <Menzador> Wouldn't core20 be superseded already?
[17:16] <leftyfb> I'm pretty sure it's there for backward compatibility
[17:16] <leftyfb> de-facto: you can also try asking in #snappy
[17:17] <Menzador> Fair. In the meantime, try `killall snap-store` and restart the app
[17:17] <leftyfb> or just reboot
[17:17] <de-facto> which app? "ubuntu software"?
[17:17] <leftyfb> just reboot. see if it's still there
[17:17] <de-facto> sigh
[17:18] <Menzador> Yeah, a reboot will kill it too (but I'd argue that's like rebooting your computer to quit vi)
[17:19] <leftyfb> de-facto: also, have you run all normal updates? I would recommend doing so from the command line:   sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade
[17:20] <de-facto> yes i was fully up to date, had to close all windows, and interrupt my work to reboot because of snap now
[17:20] <de-facto> now its gone
[17:21] <leftyfb> it was probably a bug in the software center, not snap
[17:21] <Menzador> Yeah, I've seen this a few times in snap-store myself
[17:22] <leftyfb> Menzador: "snap store"?
[17:22] <de-facto> i dont like it, every single time i have to deal with snap its because of problems
[17:23] <de-facto> also i really hate that there is no browser in ubuntu just the snap package
[17:23] <leftyfb> there is a browser. There's firefox
[17:23] <de-facto> basically forcing users to use nsap
[17:23] <leftyfb> provided directly by Mozilla
[17:23] <de-facto> as snap yeah but not as normal package
[17:23] <leftyfb> snap is a package system, similar to apt and yum
[17:24] <leftyfb> it shouldn't matter how the package was installed
[17:24] <leftyfb> de-facto: does firefox work for you?
[17:24] <Guest99> hi, I am not sure if my chrome issue can be fixed by using X11. Is that recommended to use X11 for ubuntu-desktop 23.10? If so, is there a GUI way to switch to X11? thanks.
[17:25] <de-facto> yes but its snap, hence not really integrated in the system
[17:25] <leftyfb> de-facto: why do you need firefox "integrated in the system"?
[17:25] <Menzador> leftyfb: Well, "Ubuntu Software" anyway. But yeah, I've had trouble with more recent versions of it, even in 23.10, and usually a restart or a process kill will flush it
[17:26] <Menzador> Guest99: What issue are you having with Chrome?
[17:26] <leftyfb> Guest99: https://fostips.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/login-xorg-jammy.gif
[17:27] <Menzador> !xy | Guest99
[17:27] <Guest99> Menzador: It endless outputs "ERROR:vulkan_swap_chain.cc(409)] Swapchain is suboptimal.". Webgpu is disabled.
[17:27] <Guest99> Menzador: I have asked chrome issue here. no answer. That's why I am trying something else.
[17:28] <Guest99> I am using amd r7 6800h.
[17:28] <leftyfb> Guest99: no answer?
[17:29] <Guest99> leftyfb: no solution? Sorry that I am not a native English speaker.
[17:29] <leftyfb> !amd | Guest99
[17:30] <Menzador> Guest99: I'm told this may be fixed in 118
[17:30] <Guest99> I haven't tried to install amdgpu-pro driver yet. Because online articles do not recommend to use it.
[17:31] <Guest99> Menzador: Do you mean chrome version? The latest one (I am currently running) is chrome 120.
[17:32] <Menzador> https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/3646633
[17:32] <leftyfb> chromium-browser is at version 85
[17:32] <Menzador> From upstream it looks like the whole thing's getting a replacement
[17:33] <Guest99> So what can I do now? I can not live without a browser. I need to use chrome for my daily life.
[17:38] <Guest99> I am OK as long as chrome stop printing "ERROR:vulkan_swap_chain.cc(409)] Swapchain is suboptimal." forever.
[18:03] <arraybolt3> Guest99: What problem are the log lines causing? Is the browser failing to launch? Are you running out of disk space due to the logs being spammed?
[18:04] <Guest99> OK, If I disable vulkan with "--disable-features=Vulkan", the error message will not be printed.
[18:05] <Guest99> arraybolt3: It does not cause anything yet. I just don't want to see the lines are getting printed forever and occupy the terminal scroll buffers. I just feel bad for the terminal and my laptop somehow.
[18:05] <leftyfb> Guest99: why are you running chrome from a terminal anyway?
[18:06] <Guest99> leftyfb: I run everything from terminal. I want to see the stdout. If it keeps printing something, I will not run it. Either fix it or switch to another app. Error message is fine to me, but I can't accept forever endless printing.
[18:08] <pragmaticenigma> Guest99: The "forever" printing is because your actions relaunch the things that is causing the message to appear. What it is telling you is that your browser is trying to use 3D acceleration to render the web page your are visiting, but the graphics drivers are not supporting it. If you think that is bad, you really should avoid running `tail -f /var/log/syslog`
[18:10] <Guest99> pragmaticenigma: thanks for the explanation. I don't get what the words "your actions relaunch the things" mean. I don't relaunch things. and I never run `tail -f /var/log/syslog`.
[18:13] <pragmaticenigma> Guest99: As your browse the web, the action of scrolling up and down the page, clicking a link to a new page, the javascript loading additional elements to the page as you interact with it. Those are all initially sent to the Vulkan handler to try and perform the rendering using 3d acceleration. The warning is there to inform that a secondary option has been used inplace of the preferred. Developers are very lazy and during the building
[18:13] <pragmaticenigma> of an application throw thousands of messages to the aplication's log. Often it's to trace an issue, and when the issue is resolved, they don't remove the messages because things are now working, why risk breaking it again.
[18:14] <Guest99> pragmaticenigma: not really. The error message keeps printing directly after launching chrome. I don't do anything yet.
[18:15] <Guest99> Without doing anything, just keep chrome open, the error messages are printing forever.
[18:15] <pragmaticenigma> Guest99: I'm not about to go into the hundreds of thousands of things that could trigger that particular handler. Program routines are reused and referenced throughout a program. It could be used to draw the address bar at the top of the window for anyone knows
[18:16] <Guest99> ok, I just want to get rid of those messages. that's all. thanks a lot for the explanation.
[18:17] <pragmaticenigma> even blink the cursor. The authors of the application did not intend for you to open that in terminal. Its being done so when you ask for support, you can provide information from the applications own debugger, which will include that information.
[18:17] <pragmaticenigma> you can't get rid of the message. you can turn off the feature, which then leads to a less than ideal experience. In your case, the CPU is now likely rendering the web pages, instead of the GPU, which takes up other system resources
[18:19] <Guest99> But I think webgpu never works in chrome + amd. I just checked my other laptops with amd cpu, the vulkan and webgpu in chrome are also disabled. I never saw it's working.
[18:20] <Guest99> I mean in linux. Other laptops are running debian though.
[18:26] <pragmaticenigma> Guest99: before making unfounded accusations like that, I'd suggest you read up and become knowledgeable on the topic. All these things, Vulkan, WebGPU and more are under active development. Always improving and fixing. What was true yesterday is only an update away from being untrue today
[18:27] <newbieserver> Running Ubuntu server 22.04.03 LTS - I am replacing two data drives (hdd) - but after doing so the computer only boots into emergency mode. more details are here https://pastebin.com/LNjmS13c
[18:28] <Guest99> pragmaticenigma: well, before posting, I checked https://github.com/gpuweb/gpuweb/wiki/Implementation-Status, it shows webgpu is not supported in linux. I don't know if other people make it work or not. but I never see it's working in my laptops.
[18:29] <newbieserver> So as the pastebin says after commenting out all the data hard drives in /etc/fstab - the computer boots normally
[18:30] <pragmaticenigma> newbieserver: where did you source the UUIDs from?
[18:30] <leftyfb> Guest99: wait, so you read that webgpu isn't supported in linux. You know how to disable it and the messages. So what exactly are you looking for again?
[18:30] <newbieserver> pragmaticenigma, I used ssh to connect via my Fedora terminal and ran $sudo blkid
[18:31] <newbieserver> brb sorry
[18:35] <newbieserver> so this is my plan I am going to reconnect one data drive at a time - if computer boots normally I will add the drive back to /etc/fstab
[18:35] <pragmaticenigma> newbieserver: Are you running Ubuntu or Fedora?
[18:35] <newbieserver> Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS server
[18:36] <pragmaticenigma> newbieserver: okay, you need to attch the drives without the defined UUID, and look up the new UUID values that are assigned in the new system
[18:36] <newbieserver> that's my plan
[18:36] <pragmaticenigma> newbieserver: you just said you copied them over from Fedora... which won't work
[18:38] <Guest99> leftyfb: What I am looking for it's to get rid of those error messages. In my first post, I said I didn't know what causes the error message, it might because of gpu driver. I am not a browser or gpu developer, so I don't know the details. After searching and trials, in the end, I figured out those error messages are caused by vulkan is enabled in
[18:38] <Guest99> google-chrome-stable by default, but webgpu doesn't work. So to fix it, either enable webgpu somehow or disable vulkan. I just knew all these information in the end. So in the beginning of my previous posts, I have no ideas how to get rid of those error messages.
[18:39] <newbieserver> well I had used an ssh terminal on Fedora to connect to the Ubuntu server - and ran blkid on the Ubuntu server so I think the UUIDs are valid
[18:39] <newbieserver> but I will let you know
[18:39] <pragmaticenigma> newbieserver: okay you're confusing everything with the involvement and mentioning of Fedora
[18:39] <newbieserver> ok .. sorry
[18:40] <newbieserver> my apologies - when I get the emergency mode thing I'm at a loss
[18:41] <pragmaticenigma> newbieserver: It's because you're not being patient and jumping to just trying things before anyone has a chance to help you figure out what it is you are doing
[18:42] <leftyfb> Guest99: [13:04:02] <Guest99> OK, If I disable vulkan with "--disable-features=Vulkan", the error message will not be printed.
[18:42] <leftyfb> Guest99: do you still need help?
[18:45] <Guest99> leftyfb: no. I am just being polite to answer people's doubts. It's 03:00am. I really need to sleep. But since people keep talking to me, so I am replying. Sorry that if anything I said is unclear. I am not a native english speaker.
[18:45] <newbieserver> sorry pragmaticenigma ... too much caffeine today
[18:46] <ioria> Guest99, have you tried (on a test machine) to update mesa, vulkan et. etc. with not standard versions ?
[18:47] <Guest99> ioria: how to update mesa, vulkan with not standard versions? I don't really get it. thanks.
[18:47] <ioria> Guest99, with a PPA, for example
[18:48] <pragmaticenigma> ioria: 3rd party PPAs move this out of our ability to support them. Please don't suggest that
[18:48] <ioria> i know, that's why i said 'on a test machine'
[18:48] <pragmaticenigma> newbieserver: What is needed from you is some information about what you are trying to do. a listing of the block devices on your systen. ideally a proposed fstab file that you would like to use.
[18:49] <Guest99> ioria: I haven't tried that. So far, I am happy to see those error messages are gone. I think I will simply live with it and keep updating the system. Hopefully, one day, vulkan and webgpu will work in linux. :)
[18:51] <pragmaticenigma> Guest99: Or launch the application as the developers intended. The launcher probably does all that for you to find you the best experience.
[18:54] <Guest99> pragmaticenigma: thanks for the tip. I just checked "/usr/share/applications/google-chrome.desktop". It's simply "Exec=/usr/bin/google-chrome-stable %U". No extra flags. I think it's the same as calling google-chrome-stable. I am just used to using command line launching. I will consider your suggestion. Thanks a lot.
[18:55] <ioria> the point is, i guess, if  chrome is using hardware acceleration or not, right ?
[18:55] <Guest99> for me, I just don't want to see those errors.
[18:56] <leftyfb> Guest99: [13:04:02] <Guest99> OK, If I disable vulkan with "--disable-features=Vulkan", the error message will not be printed.
[18:56] <Guest99> ioria: is your browser using webgpu? does it work in your place?
[18:59] <ioria> Guest99, you mean this e.g. : https://threejs.org/examples/?q=webgpu#webgpu_backdrop
[18:59] <newbieserver> OK I checked the UUIDs for the data drives against the values in /etc/fstab and they are correct so all drives are connected and the error messages vanished. Sorry to have wasted your time.
[18:59]  * pragmaticenigma *shrugs* probably a typo
[19:00] <dob1> hi, any idea why alacritty is not defined in terminfo ?
[19:00] <dob1> alacritty installed via snap
[19:01] <ioria> Guest99, it works fine in ff
[19:01] <Guest99> ioria: sorry, no. I mean if webgpu Hardware accelerated in your browser or not. I checked my firefox. it's not hardware accelerated by default. anyway.
[19:01] <pragmaticenigma> dob1: It may have something to do with it being installed as a snap. but overall, this is a volunteer channel, you'd have to ask the maintainers of terminfo why it's not included in their definitions.
[19:02] <pragmaticenigma> dob1: or file a bug with Ubuntu to get things raised up the channels
[19:02] <pragmaticenigma> !bug | dob1
[19:02] <Guest99> I gotta sleep now. thank you all for the help.
[19:04] <dob1> pragmaticenigma: ok thanks
[19:40] <SuperLag> If you're installing Server, and you pick the option to install third-party drivers, does it take care of blacklisting the nouveau drivers for you? or do you still have to that yourself later?
[19:43] <pragmaticenigma> SuperLag: I haven't seen a need to block any driver when proprietary/3rd party ones are installed. If you have a system that is preferring the opensource over the 3rd party drivers, I would investigate that as a bug, or that the hardware lookup for the 3rd party driver does not include the target device.
[21:34] <dutly> is it safe to disable secureboot for dual booting because when i dual boot ubuntu and windows , windows will go into recovery when i try to boot it again
[21:34] <dutly> i think its because secureboot
[21:35] <dutly> nvm. i think im just going to use ubuntu only
[21:35] <pragmaticenigma> dutly: It's a matter of opinion. I do not have secure boot enabled on my machines, as they do not travel anywhere. And I have a private residence. If it was a laptop that I took different places, then I would enable it
[21:36] <dutly> ok
[21:36] <dutly> what is secure boot for anyways
[21:37] <pragmaticenigma> dutly: mostly to help identify if something has altered the machine to load root kits, or other pre-boot malware
[21:37] <dutly> oh ok
[21:38] <dutly> im just going to leave it on then and try xubuntu only. windows is kind of boring
[21:56] <AngryTom> Why not Gnome?
[21:59] <pragmaticenigma> AngryTom: To whom or what are you asking about?
[21:59] <bprompt> dutly:  you can disable it, sure, will work fine in dual-boot
[22:00] <AngryTom> @dutly
[22:00] <pragmaticenigma> AngryTom: That's not a support topic. What a person chooses for their system is a personal decision.
[22:00] <pragmaticenigma> AngryTom: Also Gnome is a Desktop Environment, not an Operating System
[22:01] <AngryTom> so is Xfce
[22:01] <AngryTom> are you a noob?
[22:03] <pragmaticenigma> !guidelines | AngryTom, please remember you agreed to these when you joined the channel:
[22:05] <bprompt> AngryTom: still a personal choice, sorta like music, once you think yours is Da best, your sibling can't stand it
[22:10] <sem> I am trying to enable the Ubuntu "Startup Sound" from days of old on my lubuntu system. Many online guides say that the soundfile is something like /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo/desktop-login.ogg However I don't have this file, perhaps since I am on lubuntu. Is there an easy way to download this file or other files that should be present on a default ubuntu install?
[22:12] <pragmaticenigma> sem, You can browse around http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ to see if it's in there, or just download one of the ISO images and extract the sound file from there.
[22:15] <sem> where would I find it in the iso, or would I have to install it / spin up the live cd?
[22:17] <pragmaticenigma> sem: The ISO should have the same directory structure as an installed system. I would expect to find it in the same location.
[22:18] <sem> ok cool thanks
[22:28] <sem> I found them here, thanks! http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/ubuntu-sounds/
[22:36] <pragmaticenigma> nice!
[23:01] <dutly> does mantic use wire or pulseaudio? which one?
[23:01] <guiverc> sem, you didn't mention release (that I can see), but ubuntu-sounds exists for all releases ; https://packages.ubuntu.com/noble/all/ubuntu-sounds/filelist shows what's in it for noble (my release)
[23:03] <guiverc> dutly, flavors can vary as i understand it; some switched to pipewire for 23.04 & later, but I'm not sure all did for 23.10
[23:03] <dutly> ah ok
[23:04] <dutly> trying to figure out if i should install easyeffects or pulseeffects
[23:04] <dutly> but im on xubuntu so not a ubuntu question
[23:05] <pragmaticenigma> dutly: If you run `ps -e | grep pipewire` and get results, you have pipewire running on your system
[23:05] <dutly> ok thanks
[23:06] <dutly> yep pipewire
[23:06] <dutly> easyeffects then
[23:51] <genn> help firfox ist not responding
[23:51] <genn> it dosent works
[23:51] <leftyfb> genn: what release of ubuntu?
[23:53] <dutly> start it with terminal
[23:54] <genn> how?
[23:54] <dutly> type firefox in terminal
[23:55] <dutly> it works like that for some reason
[23:55] <leftyfb> genn: lets start with specifics of your system:    ( cat /etc/os-release ; uname -a apt-cache policy firefox ; snap list firefox ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:55] <genn> i will try
[23:56] <genn> where kann i found this inforation
[23:56] <genn> i new in this uuntu world
[23:56] <leftyfb> genn: open a terminal and paste this there:    ( cat /etc/os-release ; uname -a apt-cache policy firefox ; snap list firefox ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:59] <genn> it not working
[23:59] <leftyfb> define not working
[23:59] <genn> zusätzlicher Operand »apt-cache“
[23:59] <genn> „uname --help“ liefert weitere Informationen.
[23:59] <genn> https://termbin.com/3d7h
[23:59] <leftyfb>    ( cat /etc/os-release ; uname -a apt-cache policy firefox ; snap list firefox ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:59] <leftyfb> ah, my fault
[23:59] <genn> zusätzlicher Operand »apt-cache“
[23:59] <genn> „uname --help“ liefert weitere Informationen.
[23:59] <genn> https://termbin.com/3d7h
[23:59] <leftyfb> sorry about that