[00:00] <JanC> or you can do all of them so people can choose  ;)
[00:07] <dtype> thanks for ideas here folks.
[01:05] <blackguy5> my dad used to call me nigger
[04:32] <bray90820> In 23.10 why is the mouse pointer bigger in some apps
[04:32] <bray90820> IE MakeMKV and KVIRC
[06:24] <nixon> saludos
[07:23] <vtol> mi enorme castillo
[08:01] <BlueSmoke> Hi, If I press the i or L keys they work, I can also shift uper or lower with right shift key,  The left shift key works with other keys, but not i or L and a few others can anyone point me in the right direction to fix this?
[08:01] <BlueSmoke> I'm using Ubuntu 20.04
[08:04] <BlueSmoke> If it helps it acts the same on en and us settings
[08:11] <Bashing-om> BlueSmoke: Default config. ' cat /etc/default/keyboard ' >> XKBMODEL="pc105" ?
[08:15] <BlueSmoke> In /etc/default/keyboard     it says XKBLAYOUT=gb,us
[08:15] <BlueSmoke> BACKSPACE=guess
[08:15] <BlueSmoke> XKBVARIANT=,
[08:16] <BlueSmoke> if thats what you were asking
[08:18] <BlueSmoke> It's a laptop with shared num pad
[08:19] <Bashing-om> BlueSmoke: I expected the keyboard layout (such as pc105) to also be configured.
[08:19] <BlueSmoke> what I posted is all thats in there
[08:28] <Bashing-om> BlueSmoke: Will take one more knowledgeable than I to determine what the layout should be - past my bed time and I am headed that way.
[08:28] <BlueSmoke> Thanks for looking at It anyway good night
[08:34] <thisisjaymehta> I have similar but different issue like BlueSmoke.
[08:35] <thisisjaymehta> in my case function key not works, I tried many different keyboard layouts in settings
[08:36] <thisisjaymehta> I am using "helloganss" keyboard and it only support win and mac. But I am trying to make all keys work on ubuntu.
[08:36] <BlueSmoke> I looked at posts all ove the place but there are many different so it confuses the search thats why I thought I'd ask here hoping someone could put me on the right parth
[08:38] <BlueSmoke> Mine when I hold left shif the afected key do nothing
[08:39] <BlueSmoke> mine includes some Fkeys also but not many
[10:03] <lgerhardus> hi
[11:03] <tsurugi> hallo people
[11:14] <alcosta> HI everybody!I had a problem booting Ubuntu 20.04 for the first time from the iso standard image file.
[11:16] <alcosta> I was unable to boot and start a session from my computer.
[11:18] <alcosta> I have a nvidia GeForce GT710 graphic board, for which, normally, on other ubuntu 20.04 installations, i have a nvidia-driver-470.
[11:20] <alcosta> Trying to start a new ubuntu 20.04 installation, the system is unable to recognize a display monitor ASUS 28" (ultra high resolution of 3840x... dots).
[11:20] <alcosta> The monitor, after a stARTING
[11:23] <alcosta> The monitor, after a splash screen indicating ubuntu and ASRock (my mother board) hibernates and power off, so that nothing is more visible on the totally black display!.
[11:23] <alcosta> Please, is there somebody reading what i'm saying?
[11:32] <alcosta> No! Nobody is reading what i'm saying! Next time! Thanks! :)
[12:00] <dob1_> hi, I cannot use virtualbox anymore "If your system is using EFI Secure Boot you may need to sign the kernel modules (vboxdrv, vboxnetflt, vboxnetadp, vboxpci)"
[12:00] <dob1_> it was working I suppose until the last kernel update
[13:12] <Ludo0404> salut
[13:13] <Ludo0404> salut
[13:13] <mrtlsn> salut
[13:13] <arthur> salut
[13:13] <Paris> #ubuntu-fr
[13:14] <Paris> i know it so much.
[13:14] <noahtby> salut
[13:14] <Guest1905> bakkaaa
[13:14] <Guest1905> c moi
[13:14] <Ludo0404> noah ça va ?
[13:14] <mrtlsn> c est qui Paris ?
[13:14] <Guest1905> votre bb
[13:16] <Guest1905> cc
[13:16] <mrtlsn> hello
[13:16] <noahtby> slt
[13:17] <Guest1905> jtm noah
[13:23] <Guest1905> cc
[13:24] <Guest1905> cc mv
[13:25] <noahtby> cc bb
[13:25] <pragmaticenigma> Guest1905, noahtby, Ludo0404 : Do you have an Ubuntu support question?
[13:35] <Neil_McCauley> eim Thema.
 Linux Ubuntu does not boot anymore in normal mode, only in failsafe mode. Did an sudo fsck /dev/sda5 check, which fixed some errors but still no boot in normal mode. Any help?
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> Neil_McCauley: see if you can go update and/or fix broken packages in recoverymode
[13:41] <pragmaticenigma> Neil_McCauley: Define what "some errors" means? 1 or 2, several lines, a whole screens worth, it scrolled by as it worked?
[13:58] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:02] <Neil_McCauley> Running additional passes to resolve blocks claimed by more than one inode...
[14:02] <Neil_McCauley> Pass 1B: Rescanning for multiply-claimed blocks
[14:02] <Neil_McCauley> Multiply-claimed block(s) in inode 10633565: 43385905 43402767--43402770 1808--1809
[14:02] <Neil_McCauley> Multiply-claimed block(s) in inode 10633616: 43385905 43402767--43402770 1808--1809
[14:02] <Neil_McCauley> Pass 1C: Scanning directories for inodes with multiply-claimed blocks
[14:02] <Neil_McCauley> Pass 1D: Reconciling multiply-claimed blocks
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> !paste | Neil_McCauley
[14:06] <Neil_McCauley> OK, sorry. This is the url: https://dpaste.com/2F5A3SLUF
[14:10] <pragmaticenigma> Neil_McCauley: Does windows boot normally or does that also have issues?
[14:12] <Neil_McCauley> No, windows has no issues booting. This booting issue in Ubuntu occured after an kernel update/upgrade.
[14:15] <Neil_McCauley> Ubuntu 6.5.0.14 general does not boot only 6.5.0.14 recovery does.
[14:29]  * glumbletross flexes his muscles
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> Neil_McCauley: there are a few known bugs around kernel 6.5 booting
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> Neil_McCauley: bug #2047590 is one for example
[14:33] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 2047590 in linux (Ubuntu) "6.5.0-14 kernel will not boot" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2047590
[14:51] <Neil_McCauley> lotusspychje: that is a pitty.
[14:52] <glumbletross> Ubuntu Rocks your Socks
[14:53] <pragmaticenigma> glumbletross: Do you have an Ubuntu support question?
[14:55] <glumbletross> @pragmaticenigma, yes, why is my system encryption keys keep crashing right after login?
[14:58] <glumbletross> kernel 6.5.0-14-generic x86-64
[15:09] <glumbletross> i sent reports but no response
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> glumbletross: do you mean you filed a bug?
[15:10] <glumbletross> yes I clicked send report
[15:29] <leftyfb> glumbletross: that doesn't file a bug
[15:29] <leftyfb> !bug | glumbletross
[16:42] <strk> is there a way to search for source packages ?
[16:42] <strk> with apt
[16:43] <strk> based on https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/libs/libgeos3.10.2 I go: `apt source libgeos3.10.2` but I get: E: Unable to find a source package for libgeos3.10.2
[16:44] <strk> I do have `deb-src http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy main` in /etc/apt/source.list
[16:45] <leftyfb> strk: libgeos3.10.2 is part of the universe repository
[16:47] <strk> ah, why, if I may ask ?
[16:47]  * strk is a geos maintainer
[16:48] <leftyfb> you could contact ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com to find out
[16:48] <pragmaticenigma> strk: Universe is where community maintained packages are stored. Main is for Canonical-supported
[17:27] <strk> how can I completely update the source code in a source package ?
[17:30] <pragmaticenigma> strk: Think you'd have to reach out to the mail list email that lefty mentioned earlier for that answer.
[17:38] <armadefuego> Anyone out there that can give me suggestions on what to look at with a problem that my mouse won't select windows? ( i can use the keyboard to change windows)
[17:39] <leftyfb> huh?
[17:40] <leftyfb> armadefuego: can you take a screenshot or picture?
[17:40] <leftyfb> of the screen where you're trying to "select windows"
[17:40] <strk> how do I search for a package by partial name ? is there any such service for source pakcage on commandline ?
[17:40] <armadefuego> Also can't use the dash, or the _chrome_ on the window via the mouse.
[17:41] <leftyfb> armadefuego: are you sure the mouse button works?
[17:41] <armadefuego> @strk: i use dpkg -l | grep {name}
[17:41] <strk> armadefuego: that one only searches in the installed packages, I'm talking about searching in all packages
[17:41] <pragmaticenigma> armadefuego: doesn't that only search already installed packages?
[17:41] <armadefuego> @leftyb: all 3 of them! ( i have 3 mice on the machine)
[17:41] <strk> like: apt search # but for source packages
[17:42] <webchat95> I have just installed ubuntu 22.04 and now my speaker is not working the audio is coming from my headphone but not from speakers
[17:42] <armadefuego> for all packages i just use the ubuntu site.
[17:42] <pragmaticenigma> webchat95: unplug headphones
[17:43] <webchat95> : ) now also not coming
[17:43] <armadefuego> @webchat95: can i assume that the headphone is disconnected when you test the speakers?
[17:43] <webchat95> armadefuego yes
[17:44] <pragmaticenigma> armadefuego: if you're receiving help, it's best to refrain from helping others. it makes it really hard to know when you are replying to someone helping you, or if you're helping someone else
[17:45] <armadefuego> @webchat95 is the setup in settings appropriate for your speakers? ( there may be options that the soundcard doesn't support to your speakers.
[17:46] <leftyfb> armadefuego: try 1 mouse at a time
[17:46] <webchat95> armadefuego in settings the output device is showing
[17:47] <strk> debhelper is already the newest version (12.10ubuntu1). # this prevents me to build backports requiring version 13, how do I go about that ?
[17:53] <armadefuego1> Disconnecting the mouse ( and a screen) crashed my GUI!
[17:54] <leftyfb> armadefuego1: what release of ubuntu is this? It doesn't sound stock
[17:57] <armadefuego1> 23.10. Pretty much stock.
[17:59] <armadefuego1> node and chrome are the only _unubuntu repos in my apt sources ( from what i can see)
[18:01] <leftyfb> armadefuego1: you mean beyond the stock sources.list right?
[18:02] <armadefuego1> yes.
[18:05] <pragmaticenigma> armadefuego1: after rebooting are you still experiencing the issue?
[18:06] <armadefuego1> restarting the GUI makes the issue disappear for a while.
[18:07] <pragmaticenigma> armadefuego1: with all three mice attached to the system?
[18:08] <armadefuego1> (switching GUI consoles (<CTL><ALT><F1>    [18:08] <armadefuego1> yes.
[18:08] <pragmaticenigma> armadefuego1: why three mice?
[18:09] <leftyfb> armadefuego1: only plug in 1 mouse at a time and see if the issue still happens
[18:09] <armadefuego1> the mice, when experiencing the issue, all work _normally_ within the window. But not in the window decorations ( menu bars)
[18:11] <armadefuego1> it seems its the window manager, not the window, in X terms anyway.
[18:12] <pragmaticenigma> I'm going to go with this being self inflicted armadefuego1 ... as it appears there's no attempt at resolving the issue, just more anecdotal commentary that doesn't really get to the root of the problem of what probably is an edge case which is most computers are not operated with more than one mouse at a time.
[18:12] <pragmaticenigma> without you explaining why three mice, and actually following the suggestions of reducing the count to 1 and see if the problem occurs
[18:12] <armadefuego1> Sorry. I am just looking for what i need to include in a bug issue.
[18:13] <pragmaticenigma> it's not a bug
[18:13] <pragmaticenigma> you have an edge case, and at the moment is going to get flagged with "won't fix" because of using three mice without explination why there is need for such an arrangement, and whether or not the problem happens with only one mouse attached
[18:14] <armadefuego1> So which file do i look at to see that the _crash_ wasn't a crash?
[18:14] <pragmaticenigma> armadefuego1: done helping you... since it appears you're not really experiencing a problem. just wasting people's time
[18:14] <leftyfb> armadefuego1: let us know when you would like our help by providing answers to the questions that have been asked
[18:18] <armadefuego1> I am sorry i missed a question
[18:18] <armadefuego1> 3 mice: Track ball, trackpad, standard mouse.
[18:19] <armadefuego1> the _trackball_ is the additional, i think.
[18:19] <leftyfb> unplug all but 1
[18:20] <armadefuego1> I did that, and i go the _oh! snap_ screen.
[18:20] <leftyfb> armadefuego1: unplug all but 1 and reboot
[18:21] <armadefuego1> Ok. I will try that for a day, or so.
[18:22] <armadefuego1> xinput --list
[18:22] <armadefuego1> ⎡ Virtual core pointer                    	id=2	[master pointer  (3)]
[18:22] <armadefuego1> ⎜   ↳ Virtual core XTEST pointer              	id=4	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[18:22] <armadefuego1> ⎜   ↳ Logitech Wireless Keyboard PID:4023     	id=8	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[18:22] <armadefuego1> ⎜   ↳ Logitech Wireless Mouse                 	id=9	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[18:22] <armadefuego1> ⎜   ↳ ImPS/2 Logitech Wheel Mouse             	id=12	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[18:23] <pragmaticenigma> I have never heard of an "Oh Snap" screen in ubuntu... only the "Aw, Snap" in Chrome... me thinks this is a developer and is playing with WebRTC controls
[18:24] <pragmaticenigma> locking up the control of the mouse
[18:24] <leftyfb> they left
[18:24] <pragmaticenigma> i know... that's why I mentioned it
[18:27] <armadefuego> rebooted with the one mouse.
[18:27] <armadefuego> Thanks for the suggestion
[18:29] <pragmaticenigma> armadefuego: Something of interest. There is no "Oh Snap" error message that I am aware of in Ubuntu. Only time I have seen such an error screen is from Google Chrome. Seeing that you have node.js repository, I'm going to assume you are a developer. Are you working on some sort of hardware WebRTC project with Google Chrome involving pointing devices?
[18:31] <armadefuego> No.
[18:31] <armadefuego> I use 2 mice because the regular mouse is _familiar_. the trackpad is good for drawing. the trackball saves my wrist.
[18:32] <leftyfb> you can only use 1 at a time
[18:32] <armadefuego> I am no longer an active developer. but i keep my hands dirty, sometimes.
[18:33] <armadefuego> well, sometimes i 2-hand mouse ;)
[18:34] <leftyfb> sorry, but I doubt that
[18:34] <armadefuego> (the regular mouse has 5 buttons, the trackpad only 3!
[18:35] <armadefuego> ok. sorry. 50 years of using mice i can. ( gamers use a keyboard, and a mouse at the same time, for certain games to control movement.
[18:35] <armadefuego> i guess its all what you are used to.
[18:51] <strk> how do I downgrade a package ?
[18:52] <strk> I built a custom one with a newer version and now I'd like to move back
[18:52] <strk> oh, appending =<oldversion> works
[19:57] <tomreyn> strk: this will last until the next time you install upgrades
[19:58] <tomreyn> apt pinning is an apt mechanism which can prevent upgrades. obviously, doing so also introduces security risks / prevents patching of vulnerabilities
[20:14] <dob1_> hi, why with kernel 6.5.0-14-generic gcc-12 was not installed ?
[20:16] <pragmaticenigma> dob1_: You'll have to explain why you expect a kernel update to also install a compiler update
[20:17] <dob1_> pragmaticenigma: the problem: I was installing virtualbox (the one from virtualbox repository), the build of the module fails because gcc-12 was not installed and gcc-12 is the compiler defined by the kernel
[20:17] <dob1_> *failed
[20:19] <ravage> that is a question you have to ask the virtualbox repository maintainer then
[20:19] <dob1_> they say this
[20:23] <pragmaticenigma> dob1_: There is a virtual box package in Ubuntu's support repositories. It is highly recommended that you use that one, as it is built and conforms to the available packages for Ubuntu.
[20:23] <pragmaticenigma> *Ubuntu's supported repositories
[20:25] <dob1_> pragmaticenigma: sorry but imho this is not the point
[20:26] <pragmaticenigma> !latest | dob1_
[20:28] <pragmaticenigma> dob1_: It is every bit the point. You came here expecting something to work, where you made the choice to use an unsupported package repository. In doing so, there's no help here for your situation. The suggestion of using the package already offered in the repository is because it is supported here, and we can help with issues you may have in using it.
[20:29] <pragmaticenigma> dob1_: Also worth noting, the repository from Oracle for VirtualBox is well known for breaking Ubuntu installs. I've had several of my past installations break because of it. Oracle commonly provides packages for other supporting libraries that break other funcationality in Ubuntu
[20:30] <dob1_> what I am saying is, if in Makefile or whatever build is defined, is setup to "give me the default gcc for this kernel" and this gcc is not installed imho is a distribution problem
[20:30] <dob1_> not a package/repository problem
[20:30] <dob1_> is not that virtualbox package defined gcc-12 hardcoded to use it while building the module
[20:30] <pragmaticenigma> You are using an unsupported repository with a dependency requirement that is not met by Ubuntu's default and supported repository. That is not a supportable scenario here
[20:32] <dob1_> ok got it, I will not insist, thanks anyway
[20:41] <jwash> dob1_ I use oracle's repo for Virtualbox. Use a binary, they install fine.
[20:42] <jwash> you don't need to compile it
[20:54] <pragmaticenigma> !ppa | just a FYI jwash
[20:56] <jwash> --.
[20:57] <jwash> pragmaticenigma i don't need that info
[20:58] <pragmaticenigma> jwash: as the info stated... PPA are unsupported... this channel works to only suggest supported options for users. that's why that is included in that message.
[20:58] <jwash> so what
[20:58] <jwash> i just commented about my experience
[20:58] <jwash> get over yourself
[20:59] <pragmaticenigma> because then someone goes off and installs PPAs thinking becuase it was suggested or mentioned here it's a supported action. Then their install is broken and they're told "Sorry, we don't support that here" and left to pound sand. Leaving a poor experience for that person.
[21:01] <jwash> i never said install a ppa, i said use a binary from the repo
[21:02] <jwash> i said "I use oracle's repo for Virtualbox. Use a binary, they install fine."
[21:02] <jwash> not that i use a PPA
[21:02] <jwash> i just get the DEB and install it
[21:10] <arraybolt3> dob1_, jwash, pragmaticenigma: For the record this happens even with the official VirtualBox from the Jammy repository.
[21:10] <arraybolt3> (the GCC-12 error)
[21:10] <arraybolt3> if the HWE kernel is installed in the guest.
[21:10] <arraybolt3> at least that happens when installing guest additions
[21:11] <arraybolt3> however Virtual
[21:11] <arraybolt3> Box itself installs on a host just fine.
[21:11] <jwash> it never affects me, i use the binary
[21:34] <UndrWater_> new to ubuntu server: when upgrading php, is there an automated way to update modified php files, such as .ini and www?
[21:35] <leftyfb> ansible
[21:35] <pragmaticenigma> UndrWater_: Explain upgrading php? Like from a system update using apt?
[21:37] <UndrWater_> pragmaticenigma: moving from php8.1 to php8.2 for example
[21:37] <UndrWater_> perhaps migrating was a more accurate term
[21:38] <pragmaticenigma> UndrWater_: it might be, as upgrade would be something handled by the package manager, which would take care of config files for you, or alert you to changes made from the package copy compared to your local copy
[21:38] <leftyfb> UndrWater_: not as part of the package upgrade/install. It would be done after the package upgraded/installed.
[21:39] <mtc> having trouble with my login after an upgrade... I get a black screen with a cursor instead of a login screen... I tried to boot to an old kernel with grub, but still getting the same problem... I think it is graphical driver problem.. I am using the open source amd drivers... how can I troubleshoot or reinstall them?
[22:33] <bray90820> Why do some apps in ubuntu 23.10 have a bigger mouse curser than the rest of the OS
[22:33] <bray90820> https://imgur.com/a/mtqwLsl