| liushuyu | o/ | 15:59 |
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| cpete | o/ | 15:59 |
| Skia | o/ | 15:59 |
| ginggs | o/ | 16:00 |
| schopin | \o | 16:00 |
| mateus-morais | o/ | 16:00 |
| dbungert | o/ | 16:00 |
| juliank | o/ | 16:01 |
| ogayot | o/ | 16:01 |
| juliank | #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team | 16:01 |
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| juliank | #topic Lightning rounds | 16:01 |
| pushkarnk | o/ | 16:01 |
| juliank | #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-18-january-2024/ | 16:01 |
| zhsj | o/ | 16:03 |
| mkukri | o/ | 16:03 |
| adrien | \o | 16:04 |
| bdmurray | "lost some time learning that a tab after the filename in patches is needed when the filename contains spaces" that sounds awful | 16:05 |
| ravikant_ | o/ | 16:06 |
| * vorlon waves | 16:07 | |
| mclemenceau_ | o/ | 16:07 |
| schopin | bdmurray: yeah I scratched my head vigorously when upils came to me on that one. | 16:08 |
| bdmurray | Could somebody elaborate on it? | 16:10 |
| vorlon | why would you have a tab after a filename in a patch | 16:10 |
| vorlon | sorry | 16:10 |
| vorlon | why would you have content after a filename in a patch | 16:10 |
| cpete | why does the filename contain spaces? | 16:10 |
| vorlon | because it's legal | 16:10 |
| schopin | because patch(1) is weird that way? | 16:11 |
| bdmurray | even cpete is old enough to know don't use spaces in a filename | 16:11 |
| vorlon | I guell diff $oldfile $newfile means you have to have a delimeter | 16:11 |
| schopin | if you don't have the \t it won't be able to parse the filename correctly if it has spaces in it. | 16:11 |
| vorlon | oh you mean a filename with nothing after it except a magic \t ?! | 16:11 |
| schopin | Yes. | 16:12 |
| vorlon | and you ended up with a patch where you had to manually add this? | 16:12 |
| schopin | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/patch/+bug/862280 | 16:12 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 862280 in patch (Ubuntu) "Patch cannot handle spaces in filenames" [Undecided, Confirmed] | 16:12 | |
| vorlon | hngh | 16:12 |
| juliank | OK um let's move on? | 16:12 |
| juliank | #topic Release incoming bugs | 16:12 |
| juliank | #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-nn-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs | 16:12 |
| schopin | Combine that with people using fancy editors that will remove trailing whitespace automatically... | 16:12 |
| bdmurray | Who would do that? | 16:13 |
| dbungert | sounds like a text editor bug | 16:13 |
| juliank | doko raised bug 2049686 and assigned it to the security team | 16:13 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2049686 in dpkg (Ubuntu) "dpkg-buildflags: emit build flags for negated features" [High, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2049686 | 16:13 | |
| juliank | I'm not sure why it's also tagged incoming | 16:13 |
| juliank | This seems like work we need to do and not the security team? | 16:14 |
| juliank | Well I pinged doko on the bug for more info | 16:15 |
| juliank | We can revisit it next week? | 16:15 |
| juliank | bug 1838372 | 16:15 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 1838372 in apport (Ubuntu) "'ubuntu-bug -w' doesn't work under wayland" [Wishlist, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1838372 | 16:15 | |
| juliank | so we said this probably isn't possible under wayland but I don't think anyone had some spare time and interest to check? | 16:16 |
| schopin | We should probably create a spike card and untag. | 16:17 |
| juliank | creating one | 16:18 |
| juliank | FR-6347 | 16:18 |
| vorlon | but also I don't think that's noble-critical | 16:18 |
| vorlon | or noble-realistic | 16:19 |
| juliank | it's also not targeted to noble, so I guess it's ok | 16:19 |
| juliank | And I dropped the tag | 16:19 |
| juliank | bug 2049529 | 16:20 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2049529 in shadow (Ubuntu) "Extra ZFS-related log line with `useradd -m -R /path`" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2049529 | 16:20 | |
| juliank | I remember similar bug elsewhere (but don't remember where) and I believe we should probably fix that | 16:20 |
| vorlon | agree | 16:20 |
| juliank | targeted and tagged todo | 16:21 |
| Skia | that would be great! ♥ | 16:21 |
| juliank | bug 2049540 | 16:21 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2049540 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu) "hundreds of differences in module list between initramfs-tools version 0.142ubuntu10 and version 0.142ubuntu11" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2049540 | 16:21 | |
| vorlon | yes | 16:22 |
| juliank | so yes, targeted and tagged todo | 16:22 |
| vorlon | dracut-install was meant to be a drop-in replacement for previous initramfs-tools behavior so this should be treated as critical | 16:22 |
| juliank | I'm setting importance to high | 16:23 |
| juliank | #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-mm-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs | 16:23 |
| juliank | We still only have bugs in the queue that are actually for desktop, so skipping | 16:24 |
| juliank | http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs is empty | 16:24 |
| juliank | http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs is empty | 16:24 |
| juliank | #topic Team proposed-migration report | 16:24 |
| juliank | #link https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs | 16:24 |
| adrien | I didn't finish libxcrypt (or libcryptx?) and ruby but it's in progress | 16:25 |
| danilogondolfo | browsers crashing in 3... 2... 1... | 16:25 |
| juliank | so vorlon I assigned I think 3 items last week in alphabetical order increasing, so we gotta kind of go backwards or something to make it fair :) | 16:25 |
| vorlon | heh | 16:25 |
| vorlon | well 2 weeks ago is the last time I assigned anything | 16:25 |
| vorlon | let's see here | 16:25 |
| dbungert | textmode browsers can give better results when the proposed-migration report gets this long | 16:26 |
| bdmurray | dbungert: a what? | 16:26 |
| adrien | heh, update_excuses_by_team seems to require much more memory than update_excuses | 16:26 |
| dbungert | bdmurray: like links or w3m | 16:26 |
| vorlon | python-werkzeug looks like last week was moved from slyon to pushkarnk | 16:27 |
| vorlon | pushkarnk: is this still in progress? | 16:27 |
| pushkarnk | vorlon: I have 2 MPs under review | 16:27 |
| vorlon | ok | 16:28 |
| vorlon | debconf is assigned to enr0n - you ok to keep that? | 16:28 |
| enr0n | vorlon: yes - I triggered a retry earlier in the week but never saw a result, so I tried again | 16:29 |
| vorlon | sorry, browser crashed (uh because of that page's memory usage probably), taking a minute to get back in order here | 16:30 |
| bdmurray | enr0n: and it was queued again when you retried it? | 16:31 |
| juliank | still need to sort out python-apt and apt it's a bit messy right now | 16:31 |
| enr0n | bdmurray: yes | 16:31 |
| vorlon | netplan.io vs wpa: ogayot was working on this and raised an MP against britney to badtest it which I rejected | 16:31 |
| vorlon | ogayot: are you still working on this? | 16:31 |
| ogayot | vorlon: yes, I'm still working on it, with slyon's help too | 16:32 |
| vorlon | ok | 16:32 |
| vorlon | libxcrypt: adrien: are you ok to keep this? | 16:32 |
| adrien | yeah | 16:33 |
| adrien | I solved it locally, I need to do an MR | 16:33 |
| vorlon | apt vs systemd: I don't see this one mentioned as currently assigned | 16:33 |
| vorlon | so I guess that brings us to the new stuff | 16:33 |
| adrien | btw, it's impacting ncurses too I think (it's purely in ruby, and everything ruby3.1 will fail) | 16:33 |
| vorlon | ok, apt vs systemd. enr0n you uploaded systemd, do you want to follow up on this or do you want someone else to take it? | 16:36 |
| vorlon | looks like there are a good number of autopkgtests needing sorted for systemd, not just apt | 16:37 |
| enr0n | vorlon: I am working on another systemd upload (real failures in systemd's tests), so yes consider that with me | 16:37 |
| vorlon | ok | 16:37 |
| vorlon | enr0n: I assume systemd-hwe is similar, since it's your upload and it's your autopkgtests that are failing | 16:37 |
| enr0n | vorlon: yes, systemd-hwe needs the new systemd | 16:38 |
| vorlon | but doesn't declare a versioned dependency on it? | 16:38 |
| juliank | heh I said the same thing but I don't remember wehre | 16:39 |
| vorlon | (if it needs the new systemd at runtime and you declare a versioned dependency for this the autopkgtests would just dtrt I think; and also it would dtrt on the user's system...) | 16:39 |
| vorlon | gnutls28, I'll take; just some autopkgtests to chase on ppc64el it looks like | 16:39 |
| schopin | Wouldn't the autopkgtests just end up with all-proposed? | 16:39 |
| vorlon | um and then the perl transition | 16:40 |
| vorlon | so I'm not going to try to dig through here to find things to assign out | 16:40 |
| juliank | heh | 16:40 |
| vorlon | juliank: back to you :) | 16:40 |
| enr0n | it's just for autopkgtest; the path to a test binary changed | 16:41 |
| juliank | I still am sorting out apt and python-apt, enr0n are you planning any ubuntu-release-upgrader upload? | 16:41 |
| vorlon | enr0n: ok | 16:41 |
| enr0n | juliank: no nothing planned at the moment | 16:41 |
| juliank | Otherwise I can go and upload a version that adapts to the new deb822 ordering changes in python-apt myself | 16:41 |
| juliank | ack | 16:41 |
| juliank | #topic AOB | 16:41 |
| tsimonq2 | I know I'm not a part of this meeting, but https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxc/+bug/2039873 is something that's been going on for a while. My suggestion would be to ask Foundations to help. Either way, now you know. *bows back out* | 16:42 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2039873 in lxc (Ubuntu) "liblxc-dev was built with LXC_DEVEL=1 in Ubuntu 22.04 and later releases" [Undecided, Confirmed] | 16:42 | |
| bdmurray | I'll be out tomorrow afternoon in case anyone notices | 16:42 |
| juliank | The lxc stuff is being discussed with server team | 16:42 |
| tsimonq2 | <3 | 16:42 |
| juliank | So deb822 ubuntu.sources will be relatively forcefully merged by python-apt and not very good at preserving local layout changes - if it can merge two paragraphs together, it will | 16:43 |
| juliank | You can give them separate comments and it won't | 16:43 |
| juliank | We need to revisit a deb822 native experience that is better at preserving layout, ultimately the experience would be worse with the current API without that level of merging | 16:44 |
| juliank | (because it needs to split up entries some times, and you then want them to not remain split if you undo your change, you know) | 16:45 |
| adrien | vorlon: I didn't have time to dig in the exim/gnutls one yet but it can/should be for me | 16:45 |
| adrien | (but I don't have a ppc64el machine which might be annoying for reproducing the issue) | 16:46 |
| vorlon | adrien: oh ok | 16:47 |
| juliank | Oh we've been silent for a minute, not counting vorlon's oh ok, so I guess we can call it | 16:47 |
| juliank | #endmeeting | 16:47 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended at 16:47:45 UTC. Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-01-18-16.01.moin.txt | 16:47 |
| pushkarnk | bfn \o | 16:55 |
| arraybolt3 | sarnold: where did you vanish to :P the Matrix Council meeting is active | 17:03 |
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