[00:00] <sem> yeah; let me read the terminal scrollup bc I think it had a different device name
[00:01] <sem> no it is the same one, not sure why it took a while to go from down to up but I'll have to remember that for next time
[00:01] <JanC> no, I think it was just still busy setting up a connection or something like that
[00:02] <JanC> the ethernet chip inside that usb thing would have to "boot" after you plug it in too, no idea how long that takes  :)
[00:03] <JanC> or maybe upload a firmware to it
[00:33] <ghil> Hello there! Quick question: I've been trying to install 23.10, and it doesn't see my NVME at all. I've installed Ubuntu numerous times in the past and it always worked fine. Would the best course of action be to install the LTS and then update?
[00:35] <tomreyn> ghil: it's probably some setting in your bios which prevents ubuntu from seeing it.
[00:36] <tomreyn> disable 'Intel RST' or 'RAID' configurations
[00:38] <ghil> Yeah I thought so too that I had reactivated something since last time but it's not time. It kind of sees it, but only as manual partitioning, and doesn't work even then. Fedora installed fine on it (am running currently on that). The NVME is in AHCPI or something like that, and secure boot is off.
[00:40] <tomreyn> i should say that "it doesn't see my NVME at all" != "it kind of sees it, but only as manual partitioning"
[00:40] <Guest74> Hi! I am struggling to find A4-4300M with Radeon HD 7420G drivers for Ubuntu 22.04 LTS OS. Is it true that the only solution to remove/solve this error from the boot screen is to downgrade Ubuntu to 15.04 as this is the latest one which officially supports the A4-4300M with Radeon HD 7420G according to
[00:40] <Guest74> https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-rad-lin-15-9 ?
[00:40] <tomreyn> if fedora installed fine on it with the same bios settings, then, yes, try the LTS
[00:40] <ghil> Sorry, am a bit confounded at the problem. it sometimes barely sees it, and can't really interact with it (You can erase the partitions, but then the disk disappear
[00:41] <ghil> Will I be able to update the LTS to 23.10?
[00:42] <sarnold> ghil: yeah, you ought to be able to upgrade, I think there's a file to edit to allow that LTS -> non-LTS transition
[00:42] <ghil> That makes sense. I'll try that. Nothing against Fedora, but I really want to see where Ubuntu as gone since I last used it a couple of years ago.
[00:43] <tomreyn> Guest74: you shouldn't need drivers. try just installing ubuntu, it should work out of the box.
[00:44] <sarnold> ghil: I think /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades is the file you'd need to poke to allow the upgrade
[00:44] <Guest74> tomreyn: a black screen during every boot includes a message "_common_interrupt: 1.55 No irq handler for vector" and ACPI errors appear
[00:45] <tomreyn> Guest74: does it still finish booting, though?
[00:46] <ghil> @sarnold thanks! I'll look that up on the otherside of the install :)
[00:47] <xangua> Guest74: I have those "errors" too, AMD A4, on Ubuntu, Debian, any distro. No issues using the computer.
[00:47] <Guest74> tomreyn: yes, I can use Ubuntu 22.04 LTS normally but I am trying to find a way to solve/remove all messages appearing during the boot
[00:47] <sarnold> ghil: once you've got it installed, install all the updates, edit that file, and then do-release-upgrade -- I think that's about all it'll take
[00:48] <sarnold> Guest74: you might be able to get some of them to go away by fiddling with BIOS settings; others of them could only go away by convincing your BIOS vendor to provide updates for things
[00:48] <sem> I also have those no irq handler for vector errors
[00:48] <sem> but i boot ok
[00:49] <sem> The other way I've seen of getting those errors to go away involves sending them to a different virtual terminal, but then you won't see real errors either...
[00:51] <tomreyn> Guest74: according to https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org/msg2415577.html this is an AMD AGESA BIOS bug. I.e. a portionof the BIOS that AMD manages and needs to provide updates for to the mainboard manufacturer is buggy.
[00:51] <sarnold> you can also change the loglevels of the console so that you never see them :)
[00:52] <tomreyn> Guest74: a bios upgrade might help. to see which one you have:  journalctl -b | grep DMI:
[00:52] <sarnold> maybe fwupd can help there
[00:52] <sarnold> but not enough vendors use it :(
[00:52] <Guest74> sarnold: I have read too that changing something in BIOS helps for some people but it seems that the AMD is officially supporting Ubuntu up to 15.04 for this AMD version
[00:53] <sarnold> Guest74: .. for that specific proprietary driver
[00:54] <tomreyn> amd only provides limited driver support for graphics chipsets. i think this is what you are referring to. they do cooperate with linux developers, though, and this has allowed open source graphics driver support to become part of the linux kernel
[00:55] <Guest74> tomreyn: I got "kernel: DMI: Hewlett-Packard HP ProBook 4545s/17ED, BIOS 68CPD Ver. F.68 03/28/2018" from your mentioned command
[00:57] <Guest74> tomreyn: AMD customer care answered: "AMD release the drivers in accordance with operating system support". That means the cooperation between AMD and Ubuntu support has not been fruitful regarding Radeon HD 7420G?
[00:58] <tomreyn> Guest74: you are using ubuntu 22.04 and got graphical output. that's partially a result of a fruitful cooperation of amd and linux kernel developers.
[01:01] <tomreyn> Guest74: you already have the latest bios available
[01:01] <tomreyn> that's according to https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/hp-probook-4545s-notebook-pc/5229461
[01:01] <tomreyn> so you might just need to live with this message, or try what sarnold suggested
[01:02] <sarnold> Guest74: AMD wants you to buy new hardware. they aren't going to put a ton of effort into supporting a ten year old GPU on a brand new OS
[01:03] <sarnold> Guest74: that's why they haven't supported that processor in their proprietary drivers for nine years
[01:03] <Guest74> tomreyn: indeed but how to make the aforementioned errors disappear? AMD suggests to wait for official driver update but it is not published since Ubuntu 15.04 came out.
[01:03] <sarnold> Guest74: luckily for you, the open source drivers are better supported :)
[01:04] <Guest74> which one is better: fwupd or loglevels hiding?
[01:04] <sarnold> they do different things
[01:04] <sarnold> fwupd is more likely to fix problems, add new features, etc
[01:04] <sarnold> loglevel hiding lets you focus on more important things in life
[01:06] <tomreyn> fwupd won't help if there's no newer bios available, though
[01:09] <Guest74> sarnold how to change the loglevels of the console?
[01:13] <sarnold> Guest74: you'd add a new loglevel=2  or loglevel=3 or something similar parameter to your kernel command line; the kernel documentation on the setting is in https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt -- you'd edit /etc/default/grub and then run update-grub and then reboot
[01:18] <Guest74> sarnold: if I choose 3, then all the entries 4-7 are ignored?
[01:20] <tomreyn> Guest74: yes
[01:20] <Guest74> I can see "GRUB_DEFAULT=0
[01:20] <Guest74> GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=hidden
[01:20] <Guest74> GRUB_TIMEOUT=0
[01:20] <Guest74> GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian`
[01:20] <Guest74> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash atkbd.reset"
[01:20] <Guest74> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="""
[01:20] <tomreyn> Guest74: you got muted for pasting into this channel. use a pastebin instead, see what Drone / ubottu told you
[01:21] <tomreyn> the line you will need to edit is GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
[01:22] <tomreyn>  add the loglevel instruction behind     atkbd.reset    and before the trailing   "
[01:22] <tomreyn> then run    sudo update-grub    and reboot
[01:23] <tomreyn> Guest74: you can now talk again
[01:25] <sarnold> Guest74: here's what I've got https://termbin.com/lmaj
[01:25] <sarnold> Guest74: oh hah somehow I thought you wanted to see what mine is. nevermind :)
[01:27] <Guest74> Should I worry about https://pastebin.com/2VSDm8zD ?
[01:28] <tomreyn> no
[01:28] <Guest74> I mean 16-bit boot, os-prober ?
[01:28] <Guest74> Why it stated "Adding boot menu entry for UEFI Firmware Settings"? Is it about the line I just added to grub?
[01:28] <sarnold> I uninstalled os-prober because I didn't want it cluttering up my logs all the time, but if you dual-boot it might be worth keeping it around
[01:29] <sarnold> or if you *might* dual-boot ..
[01:29] <sarnold> memtest eventually gets an EFI version :) so hopefully in a future release that message will go away on its own *and* it'll be useful to you again
[01:30] <tomreyn> the "boot menu entry for uefi firmware settings" is where grub tells you that it has added an option to access the bios setup menu from its (grub) menu
[01:30] <tomreyn> for convenience
[01:31] <Guest74> Great, thank you! So much!
[01:31] <jwash> hi everyone, i have a program that wants me to Alt + L click, but Ubuntu will grab the window and move it instead
[01:32] <jwash> is there a way to disable grab window with Alt + L click
[01:32] <sem> jwash, maybe if you go into settings and to keyboard shortcuts you can disable the alt-l shortcut
[01:32] <sem> unless you tried that already
[01:35] <sarnold> jwash: alt+drag has been a standard way to move windows around for a few decades; perhaps the program has a way to let you remap whatever it is doing, rather than trying to remap your window manager instead
[01:36] <tomreyn> i don't think default mutter / gnome-shell have an Alt-L keyboard shortcut doing what you describe ("grab window with Alt + L click") out of the box.
[01:36] <sarnold> tomreyn: not alt+l, alt + (MOUSE LEFT CLICK)
[01:36] <tomreyn> oh that could be
[01:37] <tomreyn> it's meta then, though
[03:08] <italicizem> is there a Rhino-like distro with KDE or does Rhino support it?
[03:08] <rbox> what is rhino
[03:09] <rbox> rhino-like*
[03:09] <jwash> tomreyn sarnold the answer was to use <windows key> + <alt> + <l mouse click>
[04:16] <mojtaba> Hello, I am using Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS and I using Firefox 120.0.1 (64-bit). I noticed that in /var/log/syslog, there are lots of lines like the following which shows firefox was trying to access the zsh history file. Does anybody know why it needs to access that file and if it is legit?
[04:16] <mojtaba> Jan 15 21:59:32 HOST kernel: [224076.488920] audit: type=1400 audit(1705373972.859:21753): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" class="file" profile="snap.firefox.firefox" name="/home/USER/.zsh_history" pid=10454 comm="pool-firefox" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=1000 ouid=1000
[04:23] <lunatiq> I'm getting asked to select what packages I want to install from  a gui and I don't know how to check to boxes
[04:24] <lunatiq> got it
[04:43] <arraybolt3> mojtaba: that's... disturbing and weird. I'd try doing a fresh install, adding (and switching to, if necessary) zsh, then only visit trusted sites and see if the problem reoccurs.
[04:43] <arraybolt3> There's zero good reason that I can think of for Firefox to want to access that file.
[04:45] <arraybolt3> hmm, actually might not be a problem
[04:45] <arraybolt3> mojtaba: over here I have AppArmor denials from FF trying to access my Bash history file.
[04:46] <arraybolt3> and I'm as certain as I can be that my system isn't compromised
[04:47] <arraybolt3> see also https://superuser.com/questions/1734502/why-is-firefox-accessing-my-viminfo-and-bash-history-files
[04:52] <arraybolt3> maybe it's something in the Snap itself doing it, not Firefox...
[05:12] <mojtaba> arraybolt3: So why it is trying to use the history?!!
[05:13] <arraybolt3> Dunno. I asked some people who might know though.
[05:13]  * arraybolt3 uses Google Chrome for most everything over here
[05:14] <mojtaba> Wanted to escape Google :)
[05:33] <thisisjaymehta> If Firfox is doing this, there is no one left to trust LOL
[05:38] <mojtaba> Does anybody else see the same log for firefox?
[06:05] <lunatiq> how do I mount a hdd? I've tried to do it but it says it already is but when I df -h it doesn't list
[06:12] <rbox> lunatiq: what command are you typ8ng, what error do yo uget
[06:15] <lunatiq> fdisk -l shows it as /dev/sda
[06:15] <lunatiq> I try to mount it but it says busy or already mounted
[06:15] <lunatiq> I show df -h and nothing
[06:26] <Bashing-om> lunatiq: What are you working from ?
[06:26] <lunatiq> cli
[06:27] <Bashing-om> lunatiq: cli on the install ? where sda contains the root file system ? or what ?
[06:28] <lunatiq> no it should be blank
[06:28] <lunatiq> root is /
[06:28] <lunatiq> sorry root are 2 nvme
[06:35] <Bashing-om> lunatiq: Sorry I am not communicating very wee. We need to know where your Present Working Directory is in respect to sda.
[06:35] <Bashing-om> wee/well*
[06:37] <lunatiq> How do I know that Bashing-om
[06:39] <Bashing-om> lunatiq: Got me - I sure can not know // what did you boot up ?
[06:40] <lunatiq> I have no idea what you're asking me
[06:40] <lunatiq> "what did I boot up" it's a server
[06:40] <lunatiq> It's 22.04 LTS and using SSH cli
[06:40] <lunatiq> it has a hdd but says it mounted when I try to mount it
[06:41] <lunatiq> I check the df -h and it is not listed
[06:41] <Bashing-om> lunatiq: A server that has it's boot code on the sda drive ?
[06:42] <lunatiq> no
[06:43] <ravage> so you have a blank HDD probably
[06:43] <ravage> send the output of: fdisk -l /dev/sda | nc termbin.com 9999
[06:45] <ravage> (that assumes you are root)
[07:01] <lunatiq> https://termbin.com/q9bn
[07:01] <lunatiq> Sorry it took so long
[07:02] <ravage> that drive is or was part of a raid
[07:03] <ravage> so what do you expect to be on there?
[07:03] <lunatiq> I'm installing a panel and it doesn't have this drive available
[07:04] <ravage> so you do not need the existing data on that drive?
[07:05] <lunatiq> No
[07:06] <ravage> if you are sure that is correct you should wipe that drive first
[07:07] <ravage> then. and only then you use: wipefs -a /dev/sda
[07:07] <ravage> and then follow https://techguides.yt/guides/how-to-partition-format-and-auto-mount-disk-on-ubuntu-20-04/
[07:08] <ravage> also if that is a server you rent and they provided you with this drive you should find a new privider
[07:08] <ravage> they probably gave you a drive with existing old customer data
[07:10] <ravage> really make sure that this drive is not already part of any raid that is active on your system
[07:11] <lunatiq> ravage its a fresh hetzner server
[07:11] <lunatiq> I'm installing a app and it doesn't list the hdd as available
[07:11] <lunatiq> it only lists the nvme
[07:11] <lunatiq> that's raid
[07:12] <ravage> can you send the output of: fdisk -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:12] <ravage> and: mount | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:13] <ravage> also: cat /prod/mdstat | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:19] <ravage> Sorry last one is proc
[07:19] <ravage> Not prod
[07:21] <lunatiq> https://termbin.com/sajj
[07:22] <lunatiq> https://termbin.com/ns88
[07:22] <lunatiq> https://termbin.com/gkh4
[07:23] <ravage> Ok you should be safe to wipe that HDd
[07:24] <ravage> Use the wipefs command and report back if it successfully removed all 3 partitions 
[07:24] <CosmicDJ> are you sure? sda seems to be part of the mdraid devices "md2 : active raid5 sda3[3] nvme0n1p3[1] nvme1n1p3[0]"
[07:25] <ravage> Oh but that would be really bad
[07:25] <ravage> Why would you mix nvme with hdd
[07:26] <ravage> In that case I would recommend a reinstall and make sure that does not happen
[07:26] <lunatiq> it's a fresh install
[07:27] <ravage> Then their install system is messed up
[07:27] <ravage> That is a combination that should not be configured 
[07:27] <ravage> See if you can change that on a reinstall 
[07:28] <ravage> I don't know how their interface worke
[07:28] <ravage> Works 
[07:28] <ravage> Make sure you only put the NVMEs in a raid 
[07:28] <lunatiq> I don't have any control over that
[07:28] <lunatiq> It just allows me to install a OS
[07:29] <ravage> Then contact the support 
[07:29] <ravage> You really don't want to use the system like this
[07:30] <lunatiq> I'm going to ask someone else thanks
[07:31] <ravage> https://docs.hetzner.com/robot/dedicated-server/operating-systems/installimage/
[07:35] <lunatiq> I don't understand
[07:35] <lunatiq> That's why i came here for help
[07:35] <lunatiq> I tried 2 of the commands and it didn't work
[07:36] <ravage> maybe it is better to find someone who knows about that stuff
[07:36] <ravage> we can only help with the Ubuntu part
[07:36] <ravage> you need help with the basic setup of a dedicated server
[07:39] <CosmicDJ> lunatiq: you can use this setup but the sda disk will slow down both NVMe disks; since you bought a dedicated server you might want to use the full disk I/O speed?!
 Good day. So, I tried a previous kernel and it boots up without an issue. 6.3.14 is the problem one, I loaded into 6.3.39 I think. But as a side note, I've noticed my windows partition get slow when its booting. It may be a separate issue or connected?
[07:58] <Bluewolf> Sorry, its: Linux version 6.5.0-14-generic which is the problematic one.
[08:19] <Kartagis> I have a problem. I have installed Ubuntu desktop in UTM on Mac. However, the grub menu stayed the same. How can I at least boot to a specific option?
[09:55] <OnkelTem> Hi all. Is ufw a thing? Can I use it or it's too buggy?
[09:56] <OnkelTem> I don't know what's wrong with it, but right after installation, w/o any config, it fails all the time
[09:56] <OnkelTem> I just needed to add a simple NAT rule, but nah... No way
[09:56] <Habbie> i liked ufw until i wanted NAT; it's just not made for that
[09:57] <Habbie> random search engine hit - it's not a -big- hack to add it https://gist.github.com/kimus/9315140
[10:00] <OnkelTem> Habbie: w/o any rules it doesn't work on almost fresh system, that's the thing
[10:00] <OnkelTem> I mean, with the default set of rules
[10:00] <Habbie> "doesn't work"?
[10:01] <OnkelTem> so I install it, then run `sudo ufw enable` and get this:
[10:01] <OnkelTem> damn, let me restart
[10:02] <OnkelTem> https://dpaste.org/G0Yrg
[10:22] <rs2009> hey y'all, I've been trying to get Ubuntu 22.04 and 23.10 working without any graphical issues on a 14900H with Iris Xe graphics (a7a0); there appears to be a "grid" of continuously flickering "box"es (whenever there's a new frame rendered, that is if there's any movement on the screen) on GNOME with Wayland, while on X11 there are boxes
[10:22] <rs2009> exhibiting.
[10:22] <rs2009> the same behavior passing through the center of the screen (not a grid per se, just a line of boxes through the center)
[10:25] <rs2009> I've tried several boot parameters (i915.enable_psr=0, i915.enable_fbc=0, intel_idle.max_cstate=4), and even tried a custom-compiled kernel with the new Xe drivers (which just panics with this particular iGPU for some reason) with absolutely no luck; this doesn't happen if I disable i915 with nomodeset of course, so I was wondering if anyone's
[10:25] <rs2009> faced anything similar with Iris Xe graphics and if there's any way to get it working I'm unaware of
[10:30] <fweht> i seem to have conflicting node installs, i installed node 20 from snap and node 18 with apt, can i savely remove node via apt and all dependencies?  will the node from snap automatically appear in my path?
[10:33] <ravage> Snap is in your path on a default installation 
[10:33] <ravage> Usually even before your other paths
[10:35] <fweht> ravage: ok cool, so ill delete the rest
[10:39] <Kartagis> Firefox keeps crashing on me. Why is that?
[10:39] <Kartagis> this is really annoying
[10:40] <Kartagis> this gets really annoying after 4-5 times*
[10:41] <Kartagis> and it keeps happening when I try syncing
[10:52] <tomreyn> Kartagis: do you have some more information? whch ubuntu release are you running ( lsb_release -ds ), is your system all updated? are you using the snap or a different firefox installation?
[10:52] <tomreyn> which firefox version is this?
[10:54] <tomreyn> does it also happen when you run firefox in troubleshoot mode? https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/diagnose-firefox-issues-using-troubleshoot-mode
[10:56] <tomreyn> when you run firefox normally, but start it from a terminal (emulator) window, does it print anything by the time it is crashing?
[10:56] <Kartagis> tomreyn: 22.04.3. yes it's updated. I don't know if it's snap or something else. I can't tell you the version because it crashed as soon as I ran it.
[10:57] <tomreyn> Kartagis: what does    readlink -f $(which firefox)    return?
[10:58] <Kartagis> tomreyn: a question though. does it matter if I have installed ubuntu in an emulator on a Mac with Apple Silicon chip?
[10:59] <tomreyn> it could matter in that you may be running the non-default (amd64) architecture, and in that the ubuntu installation might be customized
[10:59] <tomreyn> how did you install ubuntu there?
[11:00] <Kartagis> tomreyn: I fired up UTM and installed Ubuntu.
[11:01] <tomreyn> UTM is?
[11:01] <tomreyn> ah, some virtualization software for mac
[11:01] <Kartagis> tomreyn: readlink says /usr/bin/firefox
[11:01] <tomreyn> and you installe dubuntu by downloading it's .ISO file from ubuntu.com ?
[11:02] <Kartagis> tomreyn: that's right
[11:03] <tomreyn> okay, so that's a proper installation, cool.
[11:03] <tomreyn> firefox -v    says what?
[11:06] <Kartagis> tomreyn: firefox exited again the terminal said exiting due to a channel error
[11:06] <Kartagis> firefox -v says 116.0.2
[11:07] <Kartagis> is that only old or way old?
[11:07] <ravage> too old for sure
[11:08] <ravage> make sure firefox is closed and run: sudo snap refresh firefox
[11:08] <tomreyn> maybe that's esr? but i don't think ubuntu provides that
[11:09] <dawnbreaker> ubuntu server arm iso maybe does
[11:09] <dawnbreaker> i was watching a utm youtube
[11:10] <ravage> Kartagis: what is the output of: uname -a
[11:10] <Kartagis> maybe I should install server and GUI on top of that. because I need GUI
[11:11] <dawnbreaker> falkon is a good web browser too
[11:11] <Kartagis> Linux tolgaozses 6.5.0-14-generic #14~22.04.1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Mon Nov 20 18:15:30 UTC 2 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[11:12] <ravage> ok so this is a normal x64 install
[11:12] <Kartagis> oh look, clipboard works
[11:12] <tomreyn> 22.04 arm64 defaults to the snap as well, and it provides the same version as amd64
[11:12] <ravage> snap should give you the latest stable version
[11:13] <tomreyn> it would be better idea to install the ubuntu arm64 architecture build on this device, though
[11:13] <ravage> that is 121 right now
[11:13] <Kartagis> tomreyn: I need amd64, I have a piece of docker software which platform dependent.
[11:13] <tomreyn> yes snap 121 is stable
[11:13] <tomreyn> there is esr/stable (116.6esd-1), too
[11:14] <tomreyn> there is esr/stable (115.6.0esr-1), too
[11:14] <tomreyn> sorry, i'm fat fingered
[11:14] <ravage> but then he installed that version manually at some point
[11:14] <ravage> and yes that would be 115 not 116
[11:14] <tomreyn> i think the esr snap would report that it is "esr" on -v
[11:15] <tomreyn> so, ye,s looks like a mnual, outdated, firefox installation
[11:15] <Kartagis> ...and firefox crashed again
[11:16] <tomreyn> Kartagis: so what does   snap list firefox    and    apt list --installed firefox   say?
[11:17] <Kartagis> tomreyn: if you're asking if it's a snap, yes snap list listed firefox
[11:17] <tomreyn> and what happens when you   sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade -V    ? pleasde show the full output on a pastebin, we suggest https://dpaste.com
[11:20] <Kartagis> upgrading now
[11:21] <tomreyn> hope this fixes it - i got to leave for now. good luck!
[11:22] <Kartagis> thanks a lot
[11:27] <tomreyn> you're welcome - if you run into more / related issues, just ask again
[11:27] <Kartagis> wee, it didn't crash now.
[11:27] <Kartagis> it is syncing
[11:29] <tomreyn> running outdated software is dangerous, try to make sure that updates will happen automatically or you have a weekly schedule + reminder to install updates manually
[11:30] <Kartagis> will do that
[11:34] <dawnbreaker> tell us if it works
[11:44] <Kartagis> for some fricking reason, it just started crashing again. I have no other way but to install chrome and import my bookmarks
[11:45] <Kartagis> it being firefox
[11:45] <Kartagis> if not ff itself, the tab crashes
[11:49] <dawnbreaker> how much ram do you have..maybe idk
[11:51] <Kartagis> dawnbreaker: I allocated 4gb
[11:55] <dawnbreaker> kinda small amount but idk how much you need
[11:56] <dawnbreaker> you can run firefox from a terminal and see if theres errors when it crashes
[11:58] <dawnbreaker> oh wait that doesnt work
[11:58] <dawnbreaker> it escapes
[12:00] <Kartagis> dabbill: the terminal says "exiting due to a channel error"
[12:01] <Kartagis> dawnbreaker: the terminal says "exiting due to a channel error"
[12:02] <Kartagis> dawnbreaker: I probably need more than 4gb because GUI
[12:02] <dawnbreaker> maybe snap refresh
[12:03] <dawnbreaker> google channels for snap
[12:14] <dawnbreaker> Kartagis: do snap refresh then snap install firefox
[12:15] <dawnbreaker> or remove it then install it again
[12:15] <tito> codevom
[12:16] <tito> hello every body
[13:38] <de-facto> what is this now? updates of my 22.04 popped up offering updates and now it REQUIRES UBUNTU PRO?
[13:39] <de-facto> did ubuntu just became non-free as of providing updates to users?
[13:40] <ravage> !pro | de-facro
[13:40] <de-facto> i cant update without it anymore: https://i.imgur.com/7d6qMIK.png
[13:41] <de-facto> i never activated any ubuntu pro, it enforces membership now for providing updates?
[13:41] <ravage> Please read the FAQ 
[13:43] <de-facto> this really is offputting, i DONT want this ubuntu pro crap
[13:43] <de-facto> so how do i get updates without ubuntu pro now?
[13:44] <younder> I have use ubuntu for  18 years and have never used ubuntu pro
[13:44] <de-facto> and now they enforce it on users apparently
[13:44] <younder> Every 2 years erase you disk and  a new LTS version (or 4)
[13:45] <younder> Upgrades never turn out well anyhow. For me anyhow.
[13:45] <de-facto> if i cant get updates anymore its the end for ubuntu and me
[13:45] <ravage> Good luck on your future endeavors then
[13:46] <younder> If you have something you can't afford to loose back it up (and make sure it restores)
[13:47] <ravage> younder: sorry who are you talking to? Can we help your with something?
[13:51] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:53] <lunatiq> I don't understand how I can remove this raid. I've tried everything.
[13:53] <lunatiq> I've used installimage and removed the swraid 0
[13:53] <lunatiq> I have commented it
[13:53] <lunatiq> I have set raid 0
[13:54] <lunatiq> the hdd still doesn't show in fstab
[13:55] <CosmicDJ> lunatiq: raid0?! are you sure you want that? 1 failed disk and the whole raid is gone...
[13:56] <lunatiq> CosmicDJ I really dont want any raid at all
[13:57] <lunatiq> I've tried to remove it entirely but it won't
[13:58] <CosmicDJ> running wipefs from a rescue boot should clean your disks of any raid/lvm/fs traces... though you'll have to reinstall your OS then
[13:59] <leftyfb> lunatiq: I hope you're not expecting to "remove the swraid 0" and retain anything
[14:00] <lunatiq> https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/b161beda7c96440e884ba148ca2c87a8
[14:00] <lunatiq> This is what is available
[14:00] <leftyfb> lunatiq: just repartition and reformat the drive
[14:00] <lunatiq> how
[14:01] <leftyfb> fdisk, sgdisk, parted, gparted, mkfs, etc
[14:01] <lunatiq> You know what that means
[14:01] <lunatiq> I don't
[14:01] <leftyfb> lunatiq: open gparted
[14:02] <leftyfb> lunatiq: again, be less concerned about "removing raid" and just start the process of using the drive as you prefer. You will not be retaining any data off it
[14:05] <dnadev2_> hello. i want to install the xscreensaver package on 22.04 and noticed the installed version is very old (5.45), and the author recommends the newest version (6.08). so i have two questions: 1. is this package "safe" to use in general, i imagine theres a reason ubuntu doesnt ship with it/update the version. 2. if safe, how to install the latest version (hopefully using apt). thanks!
[14:06] <leftyfb> !latest | dnadev2_
[14:09] <dnadev2_> leftyfb: awesome thanks. so safest bet is to use whatever is ubuntu maintains as the "latest stable" in their eyes (generally speaking)
[14:10] <lunatiq> https://docs.hetzner.com/robot/dedicated-server/raid/software-raid/
[14:10] <lunatiq> found this!!!
[14:10] <lunatiq> OMG
[14:10] <lunatiq> I hope it works!
[14:13] <ll8> good lo/
[14:23] <dawnbreaker> why cant snaps write to another disk than my os disk?
[14:24] <dawnbreaker> how do i do it. i want to open the second disk in terminal then yt-dlp but says permission denied
[14:24] <dawnbreaker> i did chown myname disk
[14:25] <leftyfb> permission denied doesn't sound like a snap issue, it sounds like a permission issue
[14:25] <dawnbreaker> oh
[14:25] <leftyfb> dawnbreaker: can you "touch /path/to/disk/somefilename" ?
[14:26] <dawnbreaker> alls i did was format the new disk then go into media then chown myname disk
[14:26] <leftyfb> dawnbreaker: can you "touch /path/to/disk/somefilename" ?
[14:26] <dawnbreaker> hold on ill try
[14:27] <dawnbreaker> it did it but didnt return nothing in text in terminal
[14:28] <dawnbreaker> oh wait sorry
[14:28] <dawnbreaker> let me make file
[14:29] <dawnbreaker> yeah same thing. command goes through without any text output
[14:30] <ravage> If you write to a removable media there is a permission to allow that
[14:30] <lunatiq> why does mkfs take so long
[14:30] <lunatiq> for ext3
[14:31] <leftyfb> lunatiq: use ext4
[14:31] <ravage> If you want to write to another disk outside your home you have to use a bind mount 
[14:31] <dawnbreaker> i can make folders on it and files with my user
[14:31] <dawnbreaker> but the yt-dlp snap says permission denied
[14:32] <dawnbreaker> geany ide allows me
[14:32] <dawnbreaker> geany is a deb
[14:34] <leftyfb> dawnbreaker: sudo snap connect yt-dlp:removable-media
[14:34] <dawnbreaker> ah cool thanks leftyfb
[14:41] <dawnbreaker> ok yeah works
[15:24] <tomreyn> Kartagis: "Exiting due to channel error" is a follow-up error message, where a child process chooses to exit because it's main process has 'vanished'. there should be more error messages before this one, indicating why the main prcess exited / failed.
[15:26] <tomreyn> Kartagis: see this for steps you can take to analyze this better, possibly solve it, or provide qualified feedback to Mozilla (who maintain the snap). https://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/troubleshoot-firefox-crashes-closing-or-quitting
[15:27] <tomreyn> also make sure your snap is now the latest version, 121.0.1-1
[15:27] <tomreyn> firefox -v    should tell
[15:29] <tomreyn> you can also try starting firefox with --safe-mode or -P and create a new profile
[15:36] <SnoopJ> How do I query the installed version of a package in a locale-agnostic way? I am currently doing `apt-cache policy <pkg> | grep "Version:"` but this is not appropriate for a non-English locale, and I don't want to fix this multiple times for each language
[15:37] <SnoopJ> Sorry, that's `… | grep "Installed:"`
[15:43] <johnfg> hi folks
[15:44] <johnfg> This laptop I'm on finds my wifi fine.  Running 22.04.
[15:44] <johnfg> My other laptop is not finding it.  I've looked at settings, but don't see what's wrong.
[15:45] <johnfg> If I boot up windows, win 10 finds and connects to the wifi, then rebooting to ubuntu, it finds it.  What's up?
[15:46] <tomreyn> disable fast startup in windows
[15:48] <tomreyn> https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-disable-or-enable-fast-startup-in-windows-8-1/
[15:48] <tomreyn> SnoopJ: LANG=C
[15:48] <johnfg> So you're thinking one laptop has that disabled and not the other?  They are almost clones.
[15:49] <SnoopJ> tomreyn, I need this to work without modifying the locale.
[15:51] <tomreyn> johnfg: i'm thinking that the laptop where linux is sometimes unable to initialize the wireless, experiences this when windows does not shut down cleanly, i.e. "fast startup", and the firmware is left in a bad state and not fully reinitialized on boot (to linux).
[15:51] <SnoopJ> or hm, maybe I can get away with it. But I'd much prefer to have a way to "just" ask the package system to tell me the version without doing that, it feels more brittle.
[15:52] <tomreyn> SnoopJ: dpkg-query has a --format option which lets you configure the output format as you wish.
[15:53] <SnoopJ> I was just looking at that. I think `dpkg-query --showformat="\${Version}" -W <pkg>` does what I wanted. Thanks.
[15:54] <tomreyn> ah so it's --showformat, not --format, sorry
[15:55] <tomreyn> i think --showformat and -W do the same, though
[15:58] <ioria> and still uses 'Version'
[15:59] <SnoopJ> it does but the format field names don't vary by locale
[15:59] <ioria> maybe : dpkg -l|grep -E '(^|\s)firefox($|\s)'| awk '{print $3}'
[16:00] <SnoopJ> (I replaced -W with --show in my real usage just to be consistent, as well)
[16:01] <SnoopJ> e.g. `LANGUAGE=ja dpkg-query --showformat="\${Version}" --show apt` works fine (a `ja` locale is where the originating issue came from, but a single success here gives me confidence enough)
[16:31] <IAmVeryLost>  i am currently running Ubuntu on my laptop with no other OS installed, i was wondering how can i dual boot Kali Linux.
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> !dualboot | IAmVeryLost
[16:32] <leftyfb> IAmVeryLost: can I ask why you think you need Kali Linux? You know a lot of the packages included are available to install in ubuntu right?
[16:34] <IAmVeryLost> Yea, i heard that kali has a lot of security programs so i wanted to try it. A couple of years ago i tried to install it on my raspberry pi with no luck. So i want to try it again
[17:38] <derek-shnosh> Ubuntu 23.10; A few times now, a dialogue box has popped up while I'm typing something and my key entries (space?) close it before I can read it. Is there a way to see recent prompts/dialogues in logs? Or elsewhere?
[17:53] <puff> Good afternoon.  I make extensive use of virtual desktops, but I also use an external monitor with my laptop.  Most of the time I have the laptop lid closed, but smetimes I need to use the web cam built into my laptop.  When I open the laptop, then all the windows I have open get moved to a single virtual desktop, and then I have to rearrange things.
[17:53] <puff> Is there any way to avoid this?
[18:44] <mojtaba> Hello, I am using Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS and I using Firefox 120.0.1 (64-bit). I noticed that in /var/log/syslog, there are lots of lines like the following which shows firefox was trying to access the zsh history file. Does anybody know why it needs to access that file and if it is legit?
[18:44] <mojtaba> (11:16:37 PM) mojtaba: Jan 15 21:59:32 HOST kernel: [224076.488920] audit: type=1400 audit(1705373972.859:21753): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" class="file" profile="snap.firefox.firefox" name="/home/USER/.zsh_history" pid=10454 comm="pool-firefox" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=1000 ouid=1000
[18:57] <ioria> mojtaba, maybe : https://serverfault.com/questions/1113064/why-firefox-is-trying-to-access-bashrc
[18:57] <ioria> no sure
[19:08] <mojtaba> ioria: thanks
[19:29] <niigger> my name is niigger. but i prefer to be called niigger2
[19:30] <niigger> any wife here interested in bbc
[20:01] <bmbbsr> Hi I Need Help  I Did a  Update and distupgrade -> Autoremove and reboot  FROM ther no WIFI in the list to connect
[20:01] <bmbbsr> the iwlist scan does find all the networks
[20:02] <bmbbsr> please Help to bring the Wlan system back up
[20:22] <bmbbsr> noone here to help please
[20:24] <bprompt> bmbbsr:  hmmm well, you may want to ask first, if someone knows, they may jump in
[20:25] <bmbbsr> i did ask 2 times in the last 10min
[20:25] <bmbbsr> Hi I Need Help  I Did a  Update and distupgrade -> Autoremove and reboot  FROM ther no WIFI in the list to connect
[20:26] <bmbbsr> the iwlist scan does find all the networks
[20:26] <tomreyn> bmbbsr: whihc ubuntu release (version) did you upgrade from and to? what are you running now?
[20:26] <bmbbsr> im on 22.04 just updateted the packeges
[20:27] <bmbbsr> 6.5.0-14-generic #14~22.04.1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Mon Nov 20 18:15:30 UTC 2 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:27] <tomreyn> !info linux-image-generic 22.04
[20:28] <tomreyn> !info linux-image-generic jammy
[20:28] <tomreyn> !info linux-image-generic-hwe-22.04 jammy
[20:29] <tomreyn> bmbbsr: is this computer currently online by other means?
[20:29] <bmbbsr> im on ETH
[20:29] <tomreyn> what does   lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999    print?
[20:30] <bmbbsr> https://termbin.com/1nsn
[20:30] <applecuckoo> tomreyn: it copies your usb info to a paste site and gives you a link to it.
[20:30] <tomreyn> so this is your wireless chipset:   148f:3070 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2870/RT3070 Wireless Adapter
[20:30] <bmbbsr> This is all Clear IT Just does not show any Network in the Top right WLAN sexction
[20:31] <bmbbsr> yes
[20:31] <bmbbsr> iwconfig scan showes all the networks
[20:32] <tomreyn> you will likely need to get a separate driver, or at least firmware
[20:34] <bmbbsr> GOT it
[20:34] <bmbbsr> sudo apt install wpasupplicant  DID the trick
[20:34] <tomreyn> huh, that was removed by autoremove?
[20:36] <tomreyn> network-manager recommends wpasupplicant, so it should not have been autoremoved, unless you removed network-manager?
[20:37] <bmbbsr52> the update must have killed some libs
[20:38] <Guest74> I am getting "ubsan array-index-out-of-bounds AMD radeon" style errors during boot. How to get rid of these?
[20:38] <bmbbsr52> sudo apt install wpasupplicant  did bring up all the fine things
[20:38] <bmbbsr52> now im on WIFI
[20:38] <bprompt> hehe
[20:39] <tomreyn> Guest74: install all pendig updates and reboot if it involves a kernel update. come back if the issue persists.
[20:40] <bmbbsr52> im off Thank you folkes for the Hint  to Manuell conect thrue iwconf
[20:40] <tomreyn> bmbbsr52: have a great day.
[20:40] <bmbbsr52> its near midnight here
[20:40] <tomreyn> and night
[20:54] <sarnold> jwash: WOO! Thanks for reporting back ;)
[21:58] <lunatiq> can you change mount location without damaging files?
[22:00] <bprompt> lunatiq: come again?  what are the specifics?   I mean, you can change a mount point to elsewhere, so long nothing is open while that happens, is fine
[22:00] <leftyfb> lunatiq: you unmount first, then remount somewhere else
[22:31] <stan101> what actuelly does "ubuntu-pro" do ??
[22:32] <ravage> !pro | stan101
[22:33] <stan101> is pro live application ??
[22:34] <sarnold> the pro program does some authentication and file things to enable the right apt sources, tokens, etc
[22:34] <stan101> I - on another new machine applied for pro - with no errors - it uploaded my entire machine - is this protocol ??
[22:37] <stan101> stan101: Ubuntu Pro is a service offered by Canonical for expanded CVE patching, ten-years security maintenance and optional support.
[22:37] <stan101> please advise.
[22:37] <sarnold> "uploaded my entire machine"?
[22:37] <stan101> it sure did
[22:37] <stan101> i watched it
[22:38] <stan101> it took 6 mins to do so.
[22:38] <ogra_> wha does that even mean ?
[22:38] <ogra_> *what
[22:39] <stan101> exactly- explain.
[22:39] <ravage> not sure what you watched but Ubuntu Pro does not upload anything
[22:39] <ogra_> right
[22:39] <stan101> wrong
[22:39] <stan101> i watched it upload fr 6 mins
[22:39] <ravage> so we agree to disagree. have a wonderful day 🙂
[22:39] <stan101> brand new machine
[22:40] <stan101> its almost like errors are willfully created to get the back door under the guise of "report errors"
[22:40] <stan101> johnny isnt stoopid
[22:40] <stan101> dont treat me as such
[22:42] <stan101> I just want to know what the skinny is so as i can make things right.
[22:43] <stan101> you know - back 6 months ago - i was talking ham radio - during that time - a silent partner spoke up confident in my abiities- and had zero internet presents.
[22:44] <stan101> ubuntu is slick - I appreciate that - but- my gut says different.
[22:45] <ham> well, then follow your gut and don't use it ?
[22:46] <stan101> haha they love ruining your resolution
[22:47] <stan101> looks like im right
[22:47] <ogra_> this is getting pretty offtopic for this channel ...
[22:47] <stan101> every frame has been screen shoted.
[22:47] <ogra_> !ot
[22:47] <stan101> shaddap stoopid.. we have it figured out now.. thanks
[22:48]  * ogra_ shakes head