| lotuspsychje | good morning | 03:08 |
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| lotuspsychje | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2023-December/000297.html | 14:11 |
| arraybolt3 | https://lubuntu.me/lubuntu-23-04-end-of-life/ Lubuntu 23.04 is now end-of-life. If you use it, it's upgrading time. :) | 16:21 |
| pragmaticenigma | nevar!!! | 16:37 |
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| sem | Hey I'm wondering what is the best chance to future-proof my computer :) It is pretty old, and the gfx card doesn't work well with nouveau. Might it be worthwhile to buy a new gfx card that is supported better? I think I have a GeForce GT 240 | 21:16 |
| sem | Ideally, I could report bugs in nouveau and it would support my gfx card :P but idk how realistic that is | 21:18 |
| pragmaticenigma | There's no "future proof" in computers... By the time you buy one, it's already obsolete. To get the most milage from your machine, I would focus on well supported hardware. | 21:23 |
| pragmaticenigma | Specifically hardware that doesn't need proprietary drivers to unlock its full potential | 21:24 |
| leftyfb | Framework is looking promising for future-proofing | 21:26 |
| leftyfb | that's going to be my next daily driver | 21:26 |
| pragmaticenigma | framework also tests their machines for Linux compatibility. So there's a win there too | 21:29 |
| sem | I am considering getting this graphics card https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-7000.c648 | 22:02 |
| sem | According to https://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/ it looks like it has open source drivers and most features are supported | 22:03 |
| sem | it is a "southern islands" card and uses radeonsi driver | 22:03 |
| sem | OTOH I'm not positive it is indeed "southern islands" | 22:05 |
| sem | If it is "Northern Islands" which looks more likely, it doesn't support "stippled primitives" or "smooth primitives" and idk how important that is | 22:07 |
| pragmaticenigma | sem: just how old is this computer you are trying to work on? | 22:10 |
| sem | 2005 | 22:11 |
| sem | well i built it in 2007 but it had old parts | 22:11 |
| pragmaticenigma | what exactly are you using this machine for? | 22:11 |
| sem | IRC :) | 22:14 |
| sem | and web browsing | 22:14 |
| sem | sometimes I use steam to do a remote desktop onto another computer | 22:15 |
| sem | for $13 I can get a new gfx card that has open source drivers | 22:15 |
| pragmaticenigma | There are no opensource drivers for that old of a card | 22:15 |
| sem | hopefully it fits in the case | 22:15 |
| sem | pragmaticenigma, the radeonsi driver is not open source? https://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/ | 22:16 |
| pragmaticenigma | sem: that card you posted is R100 | 22:19 |
| pragmaticenigma | sem: look at "Decoder ring for engineering vs marketing names" | 22:20 |
| sem | pragmaticenigma, I ended up getting this one: https://www.ebay.com/itm/184859722442 | 22:21 |
| pragmaticenigma | Okay... I'm done playing your game... have fun doing what ever it is you're doing | 22:23 |
| sem | ? | 22:23 |
| sem | Not a game to me... although I think I messed up -- my computer's back panel is a different size than what that shows | 22:23 |
| pragmaticenigma | You went from an AGP interfacing graphics card to a low profile PCIe one. You are either trolling or have no idea what you are doing | 22:24 |
| pragmaticenigma | you best quit while you're ahead or I will send one dafty fellow after you for such silliness | 22:28 |
| sem | 2nd option. THe one I posted first I realized it wouldn't work so I kept looking | 22:28 |
| pragmaticenigma | surprised they haven't already piped up | 22:28 |
| pragmaticenigma | by that standard sem, you want something future proof. Buy a new computer. | 22:29 |
| sem | but I ended up finding a better one with (what I hope is) the correct form factor. https://www.ebay.com/itm/374897717712 | 22:29 |
| sem | There is something sentimental about keeping my first PC I built myself supported by linux | 22:30 |
| sem | My current gfx card isn't supported by Ubuntu 22.04, so hopefully this one will allow me to stay up to date. | 22:31 |
| pragmaticenigma | I don't know how that machine is supported by Ubuntu at all | 22:31 |
| sem | Well currently it is supported by Ubuntu 20.04 LTS | 22:31 |
| arraybolt3 | pragmaticenigma: I'm running Ubuntu 22.04 on an ancient laptop from 2007 I believe. One of our Lubuntu testers used to run Lubuntu on a Core 2 Quad. | 22:32 |
| arraybolt3 | If it's 64-bit and it boots, it's fair game. :P | 22:32 |
| pragmaticenigma | I have a machine from 2004, 32 bit and running a debian based distro too... Doesn't mean I go wasting peoples time with ancient hardware questions. Espeically ones asking how do I "future proof" this dinosaur of a computer | 22:34 |
| sem | If you don't want to help, you don't have to. Maybe someone in the channel will be interested in discussing ubuntu on old hardware | 22:35 |
| pragmaticenigma | sem: I'm put off by the way you intro'd your question. "pretty old" is subjective, but you'd be hard pressed to find someone not thinking you're referring to something 2015 or newer | 22:37 |
| arraybolt3 | pragmaticenigma: I'm far more put off by your tone fwiw, if you don't like old hardware questions you're under no obligation to answer. | 22:37 |
| arraybolt3 | There are people here (like me!) who like old hardware questions. | 22:38 |
| arraybolt3 | for me 2015 is recent hardware | 22:38 |
| sem | same lol | 22:38 |
| pragmaticenigma | words on a screen carry no tone... that's a construct in your own mind | 22:39 |
| daftykins | normal person: $lists_specs... this convo: vague references and hand waving | 22:39 |
| sem | I have to go soon -- sorry for any hard feelings, I really didn't mean to offend | 22:39 |
| daftykins | pro tip: don't expend energy on this one | 22:39 |
| arraybolt3 | pragmaticenigma: you and I both know that telling someone that they're wasting your time when you didn't have to spend your time at all is offensive. | 22:40 |
| pragmaticenigma | nah, people are going to get rightfully upset when you pull a rug out from under them | 22:42 |
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