[03:08] <lotuspsychje> good morning
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[14:11] <lotuspsychje> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2023-December/000297.html
[16:21] <arraybolt3> https://lubuntu.me/lubuntu-23-04-end-of-life/ Lubuntu 23.04 is now end-of-life. If you use it, it's upgrading time. :)
[16:37] <pragmaticenigma> nevar!!!
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[21:16] <sem> Hey I'm wondering what is the best chance to future-proof my computer :) It is pretty old, and the gfx card doesn't work well with nouveau. Might it be worthwhile to buy a new gfx card that is supported better? I think I have a GeForce GT 240
[21:18] <sem> Ideally, I could report bugs in nouveau and it would support my gfx card :P but idk how realistic that is
[21:23] <pragmaticenigma> There's no "future proof" in computers... By the time you buy one, it's already obsolete. To get the most milage from your machine, I would focus on well supported hardware.
[21:24] <pragmaticenigma> Specifically hardware that doesn't need proprietary drivers to unlock its full potential
[21:26] <leftyfb> Framework is looking promising for future-proofing
[21:26] <leftyfb> that's going to be my next daily driver
[21:29] <pragmaticenigma> framework also tests their machines for Linux compatibility. So there's a win there too
[22:02] <sem> I am considering getting this graphics card https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-7000.c648
[22:03] <sem> According to https://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/ it looks like it has open source drivers and most features are supported
[22:03] <sem> it is a "southern islands" card and uses radeonsi driver
[22:05] <sem> OTOH I'm not positive it is indeed "southern islands"
[22:07] <sem> If it is "Northern Islands" which looks more likely, it doesn't support "stippled primitives" or "smooth primitives" and idk how important that is
[22:10] <pragmaticenigma> sem: just how old is this computer you are trying to work on?
[22:11] <sem> 2005
[22:11] <sem> well i built it in 2007 but it had old parts
[22:11] <pragmaticenigma> what exactly are you using this machine for?
[22:14] <sem> IRC :)
[22:14] <sem> and web browsing
[22:15] <sem> sometimes I use steam to do a remote desktop onto another computer
[22:15] <sem> for $13 I can get a new gfx card that has open source drivers
[22:15] <pragmaticenigma> There are no opensource drivers for that old of a card
[22:15] <sem> hopefully it fits in the case
[22:16] <sem> pragmaticenigma, the radeonsi driver is not open source? https://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/
[22:19] <pragmaticenigma> sem: that card you posted is R100
[22:20] <pragmaticenigma> sem: look at "Decoder ring for engineering vs marketing names"
[22:21] <sem> pragmaticenigma, I ended up getting this one: https://www.ebay.com/itm/184859722442
[22:23] <pragmaticenigma> Okay... I'm done playing your game... have fun doing what ever it is you're doing
[22:23] <sem> ?
[22:23] <sem> Not a game to me... although I think I messed up -- my computer's back panel is a different size than what that shows
[22:24] <pragmaticenigma> You went from an AGP interfacing graphics card to a low profile PCIe one. You are either trolling or have no idea what you are doing
[22:28] <pragmaticenigma> you best quit while you're ahead or I will send one dafty fellow after you for such silliness
[22:28] <sem> 2nd option. THe one I posted first I realized it wouldn't work so I kept looking
[22:28] <pragmaticenigma> surprised they haven't already piped up
[22:29] <pragmaticenigma> by that standard sem, you want something future proof. Buy a new computer.
[22:29] <sem> but I ended up finding a better one with (what I hope is) the correct form factor. https://www.ebay.com/itm/374897717712
[22:30] <sem> There is something sentimental about keeping my first PC I built myself supported by linux
[22:31] <sem> My current gfx card isn't supported by Ubuntu 22.04, so hopefully this one will allow me to stay up to date.
[22:31] <pragmaticenigma> I don't know how that machine is supported by Ubuntu at all
[22:31] <sem> Well currently it is supported by Ubuntu 20.04 LTS
[22:32] <arraybolt3> pragmaticenigma: I'm running Ubuntu 22.04 on an ancient laptop from 2007 I believe. One of our Lubuntu testers used to run Lubuntu on a Core 2 Quad.
[22:32] <arraybolt3> If it's 64-bit and it boots, it's fair game. :P
[22:34] <pragmaticenigma> I have a machine from 2004, 32 bit and running a debian based distro too... Doesn't mean I go wasting peoples time with ancient hardware questions. Espeically ones asking how do I "future proof" this dinosaur of a computer
[22:35] <sem> If you don't want to help, you don't have to. Maybe someone in the channel will be interested in discussing ubuntu on old hardware
[22:37] <pragmaticenigma> sem: I'm put off by the way you intro'd your question. "pretty old" is subjective, but you'd be hard pressed to find someone not thinking you're referring to something 2015 or newer
[22:37] <arraybolt3> pragmaticenigma: I'm far more put off by your tone fwiw, if you don't like old hardware questions you're under no obligation to answer.
[22:38] <arraybolt3> There are people here (like me!) who like old hardware questions.
[22:38] <arraybolt3> for me 2015 is recent hardware
[22:38] <sem> same lol
[22:39] <pragmaticenigma> words on a screen carry no tone... that's a construct in your own mind
[22:39] <daftykins> normal person: $lists_specs... this convo: vague references and hand waving
[22:39] <sem> I have to go soon -- sorry for any hard feelings, I really didn't mean to offend
[22:39] <daftykins> pro tip: don't expend energy on this one
[22:40] <arraybolt3> pragmaticenigma: you and I both know that telling someone that they're wasting your time when you didn't have to spend your time at all is offensive.
[22:42] <pragmaticenigma> nah, people are going to get rightfully upset when you pull a rug out from under them