[00:08] <tizaz> why does my browser not open. it says input/output error
[03:31] <noalternative> I need help writing windows install usb in ubuntu.   I need to repair Windows in dual boot.
[03:31] <noalternative> I have tried boot-repair  but it  did'nt work
[03:31] <noalternative> I have also woeusb but get errors.
[03:32] <noalternative> Can anyone help with this?  I am running 22.04
[05:21] <alien> hi
[05:46] <peirik> How do you guys keep track of which package manager you used to install a certain app?
[05:46] <rbox> which?
[05:46] <peirik> Example, I have Sublime Text installed. But I don't remember if I installed using brew, apt or snap
[05:47] <rbox> thats easy, dont use brew
[05:47] <peirik> Now I need to check each of those "stores" to see which one was used
[05:47] <rbox> and dpkg will tell you whats been installed with apt
[05:47] <peirik> ok, forget brew then
[05:47] <peirik> there's still apt, snap and flathub
[05:48] <peirik> and its still a pain to figure out each time which source the app was installed from
[05:48] <peirik> it would be great if the OS could keep track of this for me
[05:48] <rbox> keep track?
[05:48] <rbox> does ubuntu even ship with flathub support?
[05:48] <peirik> like an "installed apps" list, with quick info about each installed app (where its located on disk, and from which source it was installed)=
[05:49] <wwacko> rbox, does rascul keep track?
[06:11] <wwacko> any yall nerds got tux tattoos?
[08:12] <that_guy> hello
[08:12] <that_guy> anybody
[09:31] <GeekShadow> Hello, I installed Ubuntu 22.04 with default Gnome on my computer in French, but I have some part untranslated...
[09:31] <GeekShadow> eg : http://lutim.anartist.org/D1SPdCIm.jpg http://lutim.anartist.org/TXao9hGE.jpg
[09:32] <GeekShadow> is there another package I need to install to have those translated ?
[09:35] <wwacko> im not a pro or anything but the old addage holds true - you get what you pay for
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> GeekShadow: did you check gnomes settings/languages if you got the translation pack installed?
[10:10] <cart_> Hi. I am trying to reinstall my Ubuntu ontop of my already existing UBuntu. All forms of "Upgrade" failed and I now resort to lambasting the setup and trying to keep all my files at the same time
[10:12] <cart_> Problem is.. I am already dual booting so in the setup I choose "Install Ubuntu 23.10.1 alongside them"  (Them meaning Windows). I then then click on the blue text that says "advanced pertitioning tool"  BUT nothing happens when I click it
[10:12] <cart_> It just does not do anuthing and stays at the screen
[10:12] <cart_> Can I launch it in another terminal or something?
[10:43] <nameful> hi all.is it safe to empty the contents of folder journal? it is under /var/log/journal
[10:45] <oerheks> nameful, no, if you want to clean out journal, see https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2020/12/clear-systemd-journal-logs-ubuntu/
[10:45] <oerheks> first rotate, then clean with vacuum
[10:46] <oerheks> normally it would not grow , as set in  /etc/systemd/journald.conf
[10:46] <nameful> it is already at 3gb,is that still normal?
[10:47] <nameful> ill check the link.tnx oerheks
[10:47] <oerheks> mine is 1.9 now ..
[10:48] <nameful> what about the folder snaps,is it safe to empty it? located at /var/lib/snapd
[10:49] <oerheks> no, remove the snaps with sudo snap remove  --purge <package>
[10:50] <pagios>  how can i tell the bootloader that i have a luks partition to decrypt? when booting it is not asking for decryption asd seeinf the disk as corrupt since encrypted
[10:50] <nameful> ok,another folder to skip then
[10:52] <wwacko> whats the maximum number of a megabytes ubuntu supports?
[11:22] <seravitae> Hello, I was wondering if someone could potentially point me in the right direction of different places I can capture evidence for a bug. It appears quite serious - using Thunar/engrampa to open zip files undertakes strange behaviors including extracting files that were not intended, crashing with a general protection fault, and it also on several occasions destroyed unrelated data in the same directory.
[11:23] <seravitae> I'm not sure which application is causing it, thus I don't know which team's website to file the report.
[11:44] <wwacko> did dell work with you guys on their linux line?
[11:51] <fweht> when i print a file from a pdf (evince) to a location, why does it forget which location i used the last time when i open a different pdf?  isnt it a common usecase that i want to extract excerpts from different pdfs into a single folder?  also i have no "recent locations" tab..
[12:50] <dob1> what is the channel about snap packages ?
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> !snap
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> !snappy
[12:54] <dob1> ok snappy
[12:54] <dob1> thanks
[13:04] <cart_> Hi. I am trying to reinstall my Ubuntu ontop of my already existing UBuntu. All forms of "Upgrade" failed and I now resort to lambasting the setup and trying to keep all my files at the same time
[13:04] <cart_> Problem is.. I am already dual booting so in the setup I choose "Install Ubuntu 23.10.1 alongside them"  (Them meaning Windows). I then then click on the blue text that says "advanced pertitioning tool"  BUT nothing happens when I click it
[13:04] <cart_> Can I launch it in another terminal or something?
[13:05] <pragmaticenigma> Why not use the live disk to move your files from your ubuntu partition to somewhere safe? Then just reuse your previous Ubuntu partition?
[13:06] <cart_> pragmaticenigma: Because I do not have the space
[13:06] <cart_> I have done this before.
[13:06] <cart_> you install ubuntu just ontop of the older one
[13:07] <cart_> Worked fine in the past
[13:10] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:38] <Poppiflower> Hey I have a quick question (hopefully). I am testing some hopefully not so invasive device assurance tools for a company, and without making any modifications to the ubuntu image, have installed it on a laptop and installed the device assurance tool. When running, it shows that XServer-xephyr is running a remote access service, and while I
[13:38] <Poppiflower> understand what X server is, not quite sure I understand what xserver-xephyr is and why it needs that remote port. If we were to ask our employees to uninstall that, would that be catastrophic to users, or is there a reason why it needs to have a listening port showing up?
[13:39] <pragmaticenigma> Poppiflower: You cannot remove that without disrupting the system. The correct approach would be to make sure the filewall does not allow remote access to that port
[13:40] <pragmaticenigma> Poppiflower: A proper test would be to remotely attack the system. Why are you trying to pen test it from inside? That's like trying to break into your own home while inside.
[13:41] <pragmaticenigma> filewall should be firewall
[13:41] <Poppiflower> I am just doing really basic checks for things that the service finds as running - trying to understand the baseline of what the tool catches and flags for, not necessarily Ubuntu. Not trying to attach from the inside, just get a better understanding. :)
[13:41] <ogra_> the question is really, why does it run ?
[13:42] <ogra_> it should definitely not ... at least by default
[13:43] <Poppiflower> So... xserver-xephyr shouldn't be running by default? I just installed this grabbing 22.04.3, using the full install, and it appears to run by default after installation is complete.
[13:43] <pragmaticenigma> Poppiflower: Do not mess with it
[13:43] <Poppiflower> The only other thing I have done is update all software packages, but, I wouldn't consider that abnormal/
[13:43] <Poppiflower> I don't plan on it :)
[13:43] <Poppiflower> Like I said, just trying to understand the cause, not fix the problem.
[13:44] <pragmaticenigma> XServer-xephyr is a nested Xserver. It allows an applications to draw a new window without stealing focus from other windows. Like Firefox wants to display an error message. If it runs inside the nested instance, then it can display all the pop-ups and error messages it wants to, without disturbing the user while they are working in LibreOffice
[13:44] <pragmaticenigma> (that's a very crude understanding I have of it)
[13:44] <Poppiflower> That is a better understanding than I had.. and that also makes a lot of sense. :)
[13:45] <pragmaticenigma> Soon it won't be a problem when Wayland is the only option installed by default.
[13:46] <Poppiflower> If the operating system is already using wayland though - is it normal for that to then be running?
[13:46] <Poppiflower> if the installation* , not Operating System
[13:46] <pragmaticenigma> Yes, as not all programs are fully compatibile with Wayland. And to use XWayland compatibility, requires an Xserver instance
[13:47] <Poppiflower> Alrighty. I'll bring that back to the device assurance tool we are testing and see what they say about changing their check for that when testing against running services or open ports.
[13:47] <Poppiflower> Thank you very much both of you!
[13:49] <pragmaticenigma> That's the problem with scanning tools... It's assumed they're turnkey solutions, when they're anything but. They need to be tuned, and honestly, if a tool flags a "problem" but can't offer an explanation of what something is used for, then it's a bad tool
[13:50] <Poppiflower> It does offer an explanation, but, not an explanation I like :D And their explanation would have broken the system.
[13:50] <Poppiflower> I am aware that this is not going to be turnkey - especially on linux but, I also want to double check what I find before assuming the wrong thing.
[13:50] <Poppiflower> I figured that removing this would have been a bad idea, but - I could have been wrong.:D
[13:51] <pragmaticenigma> In my experience a lot of those tools make use of "well-known" types of documents to assume what is what. That's why at the beginning I said, a tool needs to scan from the outside to make sure all ingress points a locked down. Scanning from the inside is very much like calling an open window a security risk, even though you are on the inside too and you opened the window for some fresh air.
[13:51] <Poppiflower> Re: the tool, we are looking at Kolide / OSQuery, so we have a lot of leeway with that, but, was just wanting to look at what their primary checks would find vs what we would have to write ourselves.
[13:53] <pragmaticenigma> The "well-known" may say that port 80 is an HTTP server. But if there are no HTTP servers installed, then something else has co-opted that port and should be interogated before telling the user, they have a web server running.
[13:53] <pragmaticenigma> Or it may assume apache is installed, when NGinx is
[13:53] <Poppiflower> Of course, but in our situation, if anything is running on port 80, whether it is apache, nginx, some random tool that isn't a web server, we don't want it accessing corporate services at all. So trying to find that even middle ground.
[13:54] <pragmaticenigma> At least you have an organization that understands tuning is needed.
[13:54] <Poppiflower> Only sometimes. :D Have to pick your battles. :D
[13:54] <TomyWork> can anyone recommend a good SIP client for (k)ubuntu 22.04? I used to use yate, but that vanished from the repos between 18.04 and 22.04. I tried gnome-calls, but that doesn't use my VPN IP as the source IP, so it isn't able to connect. I tried jami, which can connect but then can't make audio calls due to an "Unsupported media type", probably owing to the crummy pbx software we're using
[13:55] <pragmaticenigma> Poppiflower: for that one, make sure that they understand a device under test needs to have an external check as well, to verify that the open service is local to the machine.
[13:57] <pragmaticenigma> TomyWork: For recommendations, please ask in the Offtopic channel #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:00] <pagios> hi all,  i am reading about PXE boots, and i see that this is the image used for network boot. it is a small one and i am wondering what needs to be modified to allow a full KALI ISOO to be installed instead of a mimimal one. if i understand correctly this will mainly boot kali on the network but install FILES over the internet. which i dont want. i would like to use my locally hosted kali setup server https://http.kali.org/kali/dists/kali-rolling/main/in
[14:00] <pagios> staller-amd64/current/images/netboot/netboot.tar.gz
[14:00] <pragmaticenigma> !kali | pagios
[14:04] <pagios> ?
[14:05] <pragmaticenigma> pagios: pretty self explanitory. Help for Kali is not available here.
[14:05] <pagios> why
[14:05] <pagios> its linux
[14:05] <pragmaticenigma> Then use #linux
[14:05] <leftyfb> pagios: try /join #linux
[14:05] <leftyfb> or go to Kali's help channel
[14:06] <leftyfb> the ad part is, they posted in #linux before they posted here
[14:07] <leftyfb> sad*
[14:07] <pragmaticenigma> the spray and pray method
[14:09] <pagios> any useful comments?
[14:10] <leftyfb> pagios: yes, seek support for Kali Linux in #kali-linux on irc.oftc.net or in #linux. Not in #ubuntu
[14:12] <leftyfb> pagios: you've been told this multiple times here
[14:14] <pagios> sorry?
[14:14] <pagios> please stop mentioning my name
[14:14] <pragmaticenigma> pagios: Linux refers to the kernel, not the operating system. A distribution is a collection of software packages that are curated, and sometimes maintained by a group of people or company to create a fully operating system that operates using the linux kernel. Some distributions borrow from others in the spirit of open source, but usually with a different goal or purpose in mind. This difference is why something like Kali is not
[14:14] <pragmaticenigma> supported here. The volunteers here may not be monitoring or aware of the design decisions behind how Kali is constructed. Kali is one of the biggest departures from mainline Ubuntu there is. In the end, what you should be doing is finding the most concentrated area to ask your question that is going to have the most people with the same topic in mind. That's not here.
[14:15] <pagios> ok
[14:16] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: pagios has been asking about other distro's in here for years. They get it. They just choose not to
[14:17] <pagios> years?
[14:17] <pagios> ok i have no time for your side talk now
[14:17] <leftyfb> pagios: ok, take your trolling elsewhere
[14:17] <pagios> ignored list bye
[14:25] <Thermoriax> May I interrupt the fight with ubuntu question? :) Recently the software updater has started offering me ubuntu pro stuff instead of the usual "all up to date" or "need to reboot" messages. I don't thiiink I clicked on anything to suggest I want them, and I'd rather it just go back to the usual behavior. Any ideas?
[14:26] <wwacko> im an angry nerd from massachusetts with a gay tux tatoo and a fat ugly wife
[14:27] <pragmaticenigma> Thermoriax: It's Canonical, the company behind Ubuntu. They made a design choice to put "ads" in the update tools.
[14:27] <leftyfb> Thermoriax: there's unfortunately nothing that can be done about that at the moment
[14:28] <Thermoriax> pragmaticenigma: Ah, what a great way to convince me to switch from ubuntu.
[14:28] <pragmaticenigma> Thermoriax: I'm right there with you
[14:29] <Thermoriax> Anyway, thanks for the explaination...I thought mybe I'd accidentally set an option somewhere or something.
[14:29] <pragmaticenigma> Thermoriax: Ubuntu Pro is free for personal use, on up to 5 machines. Once the machine is enrolled, I believe those messages should go away.
[14:30] <Thermoriax> What's to keep them from deciding it's not free later?
[14:31] <leftyfb> Thermoriax: you should read up on what ubuntu pro is https://www.howtogeek.com/902519/what-is-ubuntu-pro/
[14:32] <pragmaticenigma> Thermoriax: That's a tomorrow problem. Today I will hope they continue to honor their statement from nearly 20 years ago, that Ubuntu will always be made free and remain free
[14:32] <leftyfb> Thermoriax: if they decide to charge for it for personal use, then absolutely nothing changes as far as package updates on your machine
[14:32] <Thermoriax> Good luck with. I think I'm going to use this as motivation to go through with my 'immutable distro' curiousity.
[14:36] <boaaa> anyone has a line on mark shuttleworth here?
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> ask your real question boaaa, what are you seeking for?
[14:37] <boaaa> Not a ubuntu question per se, but certificate on his website seems to have expired.. someone in charge should fix it before they get yelled at. not a good look for a man who made his fortune on web certificates
[14:38] <boaaa> https://www.markshuttleworth.com/
[14:38] <pragmaticenigma> This channel is run by volunteers... You can try contacting canonical and see if they can relay the message to their CEO https://canonical.com/contact-us
[14:40] <boaaa> Ok will submit a form
[15:04] <ogra_> pragmaticenigma, FYI it is free even for business use for up to 5 machines ... no restriction beyond the number
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> Thermoriax: see/affect bug #2047778
[15:07] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 2047778 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Software Updater unable to cancel Ubuntu Pro upgrade" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2047778
[15:19] <pragmaticenigma> ogra_: It's not that general. The business has to be owned by the user to be elligible.
[15:22] <ogra_> pragmaticenigma, we dont care really ... it is five free licenses per user, wether you make a million a day with them or not does not matter 😉
[15:24] <pragmaticenigma> perhaps not, but providing accurate information is something that should be cared about
[15:24] <ogra_> (so if you have fifty customers you are an admin of, each of them running an ubuntu fileserver and three workstations in their office, you just create an account per customer and have them get the free security updates ... nobody will come after you)
[15:25] <ogra_> if you run a datacenter with 100 physical servers and sell wordpress VMs, *then* you will need to (and likely want to) pay for the extra security of your wordpress installs ...
[15:26] <pragmaticenigma> !ot | ogra_
[15:26] <ogra_> yeah ...
[15:26] <GeekShadow> lotuspsychje: it's installed
[15:26] <ogra_> just wanted to fix the wrong wording, our marketing is bad enough already in this case
[16:11] <CoolDude65> I'm having some hardware trouble.
[16:11] <CoolDude65> # M.2 SSD shows up in BIOS but not in Ubuntu
[16:11] <CoolDude65> I have three M.2 NVME SSD's plugged into my motherboard.
[16:11] <CoolDude65> All three show up in the BIOS but only two of them show up with `lsblk` or `fdisk -l`:
[16:11] <CoolDude65> ```ssv
[16:11] <CoolDude65> $ lsblk
[16:11] <leftyfb> !paste | CoolDude65
[16:15] <CoolDude65> Sorry about that.
[16:15] <CoolDude65> I'm having some hardware trouble: my M.2 SSD shows up in BIOS but not in Ubuntu
[16:15] <CoolDude65> I have three M.2 NVME SSD's plugged into my motherboard.
[16:15] <CoolDude65> All three show up in the BIOS (see screenshot https://imgur.com/a/YLwJQ6W) but only two of them show up with `lsblk` or `fdisk -l` (https://dpaste.com/4NUVLGRNU).
[16:15] <CoolDude65> The third SSD is brand new. How can I get Ubuntu to recognize it?
[16:15] <Pricey> How can you get ufw to allow icmpv6 messages, e.g. router solicitation? I've been disabling the default ufw allow/in/fwd rules and allowing only specific paths. So far so good, ipv4 all working fine. Then I notice my lxd guests can't obtain ipv6 slaac addresses...
[16:18] <leftyfb> CoolDude65: what release of ubuntu?
[16:18] <CoolDude65> leftyfb: Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS
[16:19] <leftyfb> CoolDude65: what kernel?
[16:19] <CoolDude65> leftyfb: 6.5.0-15-generic
[16:20] <cahoots_> hi, when i do 'ls a*' and hit tab twice, it doesn't show me all suggestions that start with "a". any ideas how to fix?
[16:20] <cahoots_> as in, when i type 'ls a*' but don't hit enter, just tab twice
[16:21] <Pricey> cahoots_: try 'ls a' and hit tab
[16:21] <Pricey> (The * might work in some other shell... but you'll be in bash which I don't think works that way)
[16:21] <cahoots_> Pricey, this is not always what i want, though. for example, if i do 'ls *.cpp' and hit tab twice, i want to see all files ending in ".cpp". bash on macos works just like this
[16:22] <ritterworld> Hi :) I'm having a challenge with an Audio Interface Focusrite Clarett+ 2Pre and Ubuntu 23.10 mantic with 6.7.2-060702-generic #202401251943 installed through mainline. I use https://github.com/geoffreybennett/alsa-scarlett-gui to configure it. and i can see in it as well as in alsamixer that i have 12 PCM Inputs, they all have signal, they are
[16:22] <ritterworld> processing etc. but in the Sound Settings I dont see any Input Device. is there a way of how to add a specific PCM Input there?
[16:23] <pragmaticenigma> cahoots_: when you type in 'ls a*' and then try to tab complete, it's trying to tab complete files that start with the litteral characters 'a' and '*' ... the astrixs is a wild card that is interpreted by ls, not the command line.
[16:24] <cahoots_> pragmaticenigma, why would this work differently in macos bash, then? i haven't changed any configuration around auto-complete in either ubuntu bash or macos bash
[16:24] <ritterworld> maybe a differenct bashrc ?
[16:25] <pragmaticenigma> cahoots_: it's apple, known for doing things "differently" ... I have no idea how they configured their terminal environment
[16:25] <pragmaticenigma> it might not even be bash
[16:25] <Pricey> cahoots_: Are you sure you're using bash on macos? Doesn't it default to zsh or something these days?
[16:25] <ritterworld> cahoots_ and even if the bashrc is the same maybe the command used to do certain thing is in a differnt version/flavour on bash
[16:26] <Pricey> cahoots_: "echo $SHELL" on macos. I think you'll find it's /bin/zsh. Yes, that behaviour works for me on macos
[16:26] <Pricey> cahoots_: If you want to change your shell on ubuntu, that's possible, but a different question.
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> GeekShadow: some parts of gnome are not fully translated in some languages, maybe you can bring it up in #ubuntu-translators
[16:29] <cahoots_> Pricey, "echo $SHELL" shows the default shell, but that's not the same thing as the currently running shell. for me, "echo $0" returns "-bash"
[16:30] <cahoots_> yeah, this may be a version difference for bash or something
[16:30] <Pricey> cahoots_: On macos, "echo $SHELL" by default should return "/bin/zsh". I don't know what you mean by "the default shell".
[16:30] <pragmaticenigma> Um, considering you're using `echo $0` instead of `echo $SHELL` for macos, should be the first clue things are different.
[16:31] <Pricey> cahoots_: Yes, bash and zsh behave differently. It sounds like you've got zsh on macos and bash on ubuntu. That's the immediate reason your tab completion works differently.
[16:37] <ritterworld> I'm having a challenge with an USB Audio Interface Focusrite Clarett+ 2Pre and Ubuntu 23.10 mantic with 6.7.2-060702-generic #202401251943 installed through mainline. I use https://github.com/geoffreybennett/alsa-scarlett-gui to configure it. And I can see in it as well as in alsamixer that i have 12 PCM Inputs, they all have signal (basically the
[16:37] <ritterworld> routing is correct), they are processing etc. but in the Ubuntu Sound Settings I don't see any Input Device. is there a way of how to add a specific PCM Input there?
[16:38] <cahoots_> i do not have zsh on macos. it's using bash
[16:39] <cahoots_> that is, zsh exists on macos, but i'm using bash
[16:42] <pragmaticenigma> cahoots_: if `echo $SHELL` does not return the path to bash, you are not using bash. You might be running bash inside of zsh, and when bash cannot complete a command, the command is bubbled up to the host environment for execution or to throw an exception.
[16:45] <pragmaticenigma> in any case, the answer to your question is that your approach to tab complete `ls a*` will not yield the expected result, because there isn't anything supported that ability to perform that action. the tab completion uses what is typed in as a string litteral, it doesn't interpret it further. so your `ls a*` and tabing is attempting to find something in the current working environment that starts with the two characters 'a' and '*'
[17:16] <CoolDude65> # M.2 SSD shows up in BIOS but not in Ubuntu
[17:16] <CoolDude65> I have three M.2 NVME SSDs plugged into my motherboard.
[17:16] <CoolDude65> All three SSDs show up in the BIOS (https://imgur.com/a/YLwJQ6W) but only two of them show up with `lsblk` or `fdisk -l` (https://dpaste.com/4NUVLGRNU).
[17:16] <CoolDude65> The third SSD is brand new. How can I get Ubuntu to recognize it?
[17:16] <CoolDude65> Breadcrumbs:
[17:16] <CoolDude65> - `lspci` shows three nvme devices. Only two of them say `Kernel driver in use: nvme`. https://dpaste.com/96VC6NP8C
[17:17] <leftyfb> !paste | CoolDude65
[17:32] <ritterworld> FYI i was able to fix the issue with > installing pavucontrol > configuring the Clarett+ 2Pre audio to Pro Audio > disabling all other devices > and use PCM 1 which equals to Auxiliary 0
[18:08] <duckx0r> I used the Muon package manager to lock a package to a specific version, but when I try to release the lock, I get the message "The package code could not be locked. Failed to write lock file." also `sudo apt-mark showhold` is empty. What type of lock is being placed on this package and how can I remove the lock?
[18:57] <arraybolt3> I keep finding myself doing things like `sudo apt install virtualbox=biglongversionstring` in order to install something from -proposed. It looks like I could just do `sudo apt install virtualbox=mantic-proposed` or the like. Is that actually possible?
[18:57] <arraybolt3> (can't confirm it myself right now since I'm already mid-install)
[20:52] <ioria> arraybolt3, yes, with the -t option
[20:52] <ioria> arraybolt3, apt  install -t mantic-proposed/multiverse virtualbox
[21:07] <miguel2013> hi
[21:07] <miguel2013> this is my favorite chanel
[22:28] <eelstrebor> is there software for accessing bodycam data?
[22:30] <pragmaticenigma> eelstrebor: you may want to try asking in #ubuntu-offtopic for software recommendations. The focus here is more for supporting what is already installed
[23:20] <sarnold> arraybolt3: apt install -t proposed thingy
[23:20] <arraybolt3> +1