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[09:05] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, if you need help or paperwork from my side, please let me know
[09:05] <LocutusOfBorg> also, it was discussed to think about vbox as a snap
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[17:31] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: uh I don't know who was discussing vbox as a snap, but you can't snap kernel modules
[20:07] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, not yet :)
[20:07] <LocutusOfBorg> we discussed a little bit during ubuntu summit
[20:07] <LocutusOfBorg> last year
[20:08] <LocutusOfBorg> virtualbox upstream would like to check if it's possible to provide some interfaces for virtualbox as snap
[20:13] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: yeah well "not yet" means "at risk to have support for this in 24.04 LTS", where we really want it for nvidia modules on Ubuntu Desktop with TPM-backed FDE
[20:14] <LocutusOfBorg> didn't know!
[20:14] <LocutusOfBorg> btw, people are already uploading 64bit nmu in sid, e.g. falcosecurity-libs above
[20:14] <LocutusOfBorg> is my sysdiag ncr correct?
[20:14] <LocutusOfBorg> (sisdig)
[20:15] <LocutusOfBorg> (sysdig)
[20:15] <LocutusOfBorg> falcosecurity-libs merge did pick up the experimental nmu you did, because maintainer uploaded in sid
[20:17] <vorlon> grr
[20:18] <vorlon> mwhudson did the NMU, so he would've gotten the notice rather than me
[20:20] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: 'ncr'?
[20:20] <LocutusOfBorg> no change rebuild
[20:20] <vorlon> no
[20:20] <vorlon> don't rebuild sysdig
[20:21] <LocutusOfBorg> :/
[20:21] <jbicha> the NMU bugs don't say clearly enough "please don't upload this nmu or this package at all right now"
[20:22] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: if you do it will build with the wrong ABI and depend on the new package name, so will be invisible to the mass binNMU handling!
[20:22] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: if you've already uploaded sysdig, then we should revert the maintainer upload to unstable
[20:22] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, I did it like half an hour ago
[20:22] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, I'm speaking about Ubuntu now
[20:22] <vorlon> jbicha: yes, I always overestimate the least common denominator of Debian maintainers
[20:22] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: oh.  well, I can just remove that one myself from -proposed then :)
[20:22] <LocutusOfBorg> yes
[20:23] <LocutusOfBorg> but the problem remains for Debian
[20:23] <LocutusOfBorg> falcosecurity-libs built with wrong abi in debian sid, right?
[20:23] <vorlon> correct
[20:23] <vorlon> but we can handwave and just NMU it anyway to fix the ABI
[20:23] <LocutusOfBorg> ok, how do we know when the "switch" will be effective? some dpkg upload?
[20:24] <vorlon> there will be a dpkg upload, followed by coordinated NMUs to unstable
[20:24] <LocutusOfBorg> should we expect on armhf to have some "Provides:" ?
[20:24] <vorlon> and I'll post about it to debian-devel-announce again once dpkg is uploaded
[20:24] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: quite the opposite, armhf will be the architecture that DOESN'T have provides: and all other Ubuntu architectures will have
[20:25] <LocutusOfBorg> ok but I would have expected experimental uploads to gain it...
[20:25] <LocutusOfBorg> so maintainers would have been aware of the new stuff
[20:26] <LocutusOfBorg> I fear I'm missing something, but the abi in experimental after the nmu is exactly the same as the one in sid, right?
[20:27] <vorlon> The uploads in experimental do have Provides: added.  They just don't do the actual ABI change; experimental is a false transition
[20:27] <vorlon> to not deal with the dpkg-dev stuff at the time
[20:28] <LocutusOfBorg> ok
[20:28] <LocutusOfBorg> so, they are abi compatible with the reverse-dependencies
[20:29] <LocutusOfBorg> but not co-installable probably
[20:29] <LocutusOfBorg> indeed uploading dpkg in experimental and forcing an additional B-D was a little bit an overkill, I can understand
[20:30] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks for explaining, I admit I didn't quite understand from the NMU bugs, my bad
[20:30] <LocutusOfBorg> so I put falcosecurity-libs in a list for rebuild in Ubuntu once dpkg changes defaults