 @Rick_Timmis happy Sun the 4th ;) 🎉
 https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-council-meeting-30th-january-2024/
[15:03] <arraybolt3> sgmoore: not sure if you're in today or not, but if you are, it would be handy to know how much you want me "hands on" with Calamares. I've got a lot of ideas for it and can upload a new calamares-settings-ubuntu package with a preliminary Calamares config in it (and I'm even willing to do stuff like create the initial branding as a sample if nothing else so that you don't see Lubuntu
[15:03] <arraybolt3> branding in the installer), but I don't want to go and do it and then find out that my idea of how things should be done was different than yours :)
[15:05] <arraybolt3> In particular, there's some architecture around OEM installation mode that needs hashed out - I have a plan for it, but it would require quite a few major decisions to implement (I'm currently thinking of trying to make it Ubiquity-esque by having an initial screen with a wallpaper and a Calamares window and a "Try or Install Kubuntu" screen, with a button "hidden" in a corner for
[15:05] <arraybolt3> activating OEM install mode.
[15:06] <arraybolt3> And I think I can build the "try or install" screen directly into Calamares itself via a QML module.)
 Hi arraybolt3 sounds like a good plan, don't worry about the branding artwork, if you share a link to the repo, I can put that together, whilst you focus on the functionality. So long as we have slots for the Try, Install, OEM we can wire the signals up after. Anyway, I feel pretty sure the Scarlett will want to look at the code you've got so far for Lubuntu.
 Scarlett got those links from me maybe a day or two ago FWIW :)
 OK cool, maybe I could get a share? I can take a look later this evening
 It would be so great to get ahead of the curve, as we prepare for 24.04
 https://github.com/lubuntu-team/calamares-settings-ubuntu is our one-way GitHub mirror, the description is a red herring, Scarlett now has access to git.lubuntu.me per kc2bez and she's welcome to push without MPs, although I've asked both Aaron and Scarlett to work with each other :)
 Awesome 😎 👍
 Also, the KC is entitled to ask for the task lists I'm giving Scarlett at any point, although I would remind you that these are just short of personal conversations so I don't want them to be just blasted publicly without sanitization
 This is part of what I've told her in an email:
 You'll remember I told you that, as a leader, I will not ask you to do something I wouldn't do myself. In those cases, if it's something that needs to be done, I'll step in, not a problem. This is my current "do on my own" list for Calamares; you're welcome to take on any one of these, just know that it's not an official ask of any way (and won't be):
  - Active Directory support for Calamares
  - On the Customize menu, autohide the checkboxes/toggle them if a different radio button is selected.
  - ZFS (just needs testing?)
  - Layered squashfses
 Hopefully they'll go onto the Invent work board, now it's set up ?
 Yes :) working towards that, I have a meeting scheduled with Scarlett on Monday right after my normal work standup (re @Rick_Timmis: Hopefully they'll go onto the Invent work board, now it's set up ?)
 I have a picture in my head of a nice KanBan board with a backlog, yada yada 🥰
 Agreed :) totally same page!
 I've spent a little time on KDE.invent in the new project, I'll do more later to start pulling it together nicely
 I wish it would let me verify with something other than my altispeed.com email hmm
 I may have to ping KDE sysadmin at some point
 BTW, while I have your attention, did you see the GitHub stuff I pushed re the website
 Happy to widen that for Lubuntu too, and work with arraybolt3 in it if you want
 Driving for a while bbl8r
 I did, I think it looks great! I have a meeting with someone at Altispeed on Monday so we can open up the docs we have re: veryeasy Git, for people who don't know how to work with it. I'll hopefully have some updates on that front by Tues (re @Rick_Timmis: BTW, while I have your attention, did you see the GitHub stuff I pushed re the website)
 Sure! That being said, it is a better use of arraybolt3's time right this second to work on Calamares etc (re @Rick_Timmis: Happy to widen that for Lubuntu too, and work with arraybolt3 in it if you want)
 (IMO)
[15:44] <arraybolt3> re Calamares, in order to get a Ubiquity-like experience with most of the desktop missing but just a wallpaper and a Calamares screen, it will be necessary to ship an additional desktop "session" that launches a script that does something like `1: Run KWin; 2: Launch a dirt-simple Qt app that displays a wallpaper and sticks in the background; 3: Launch Calamares; 4: When Calamares exits,
[15:44] <arraybolt3> drop to a full Plasmashell desktop`. We do something similar in Lubuntu, only we've moved the installer prompt stuff to the wallpaper app, whereas I want to build it into Cala for Kubuntu.
[15:45] <arraybolt3> that seem like a decent plan?
 What I would suggest to you is that we should work towards a common solution for both flavors, whether that be in Calamares itself, or whitelabeling the installer prompt we've worked hard on. I've set up things so the latter wouldn't be horribly difficult.
 I would also suggest to you that if we want to use this both in Lubuntu and Kubuntu we should consider the lowest common denominator
 So perhaps openbox then pass off to a full plasmashell
[15:48] <arraybolt3> hmm, not sure Kubuntu wants to ship two window managers
 Good point; if we're hard set on that, I'd special case it so Lubuntu still uses openbox :)
 (Perhaps with some sort of XDG-backed config)
[15:49] <arraybolt3> agreed :)
[15:59] <arraybolt3> ok, before any OEM stuff, I should implement unencrypted /boot support and get that implemented upstream. I'll hopefully be doing that today, then maybe try to polish up an initial "sampler" config for Kubuntu and get it out there.
[16:11] <sgmoore> @arraybolt I am not here today, well the retry frameworks script is here, but not me. I have church stuff. I welcome any help on calamaras! I will check it our tomorrow. Thank you so much!
[16:17] <arraybolt3> Thank you, and see you later!
[16:26] <sgmoore> See you later :) thank you again!
 OK So I have read the Calamares docs about Branding, and I think I understand it. Leave the branding with me, I'll reach out to arraybolt3 when the time comes for QML. If you guys focus on getting it working, I'll sort of the slide contents, imagery, branding etc..
[18:41] <arraybolt3> sounds good
 https://9to5linux.com/kubuntu-24-04-lts-is-switching-to-the-calamares-installer-by-default Marius is a cool guy :)
 Ooo hitting the press already, better make sure we get it sorted
 That is so awesome, how quickly they picked up that news post
 Love it ❤️
 At my suggestion actually :D and he has turned down my suggestions before
 Interestingly I am just working on the base ideas for another 12 news articles,with a view to them hitting the website each week for the next 3 months 🥰
 VERY VERY nice!!!!!!
 Cracking one liner Simon : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/862738dd/file_72188.jpg
 Thanks :) I hoped that would be okay
[20:58] <valorie> it echoes what we've all said in the meeting and since
[20:58] <valorie> :-)
[20:59] <valorie> my son Thomas told me he's planning to fly up here for LFNW
[21:27] <valorie> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/linuxfest-northwest/42196
 Nice one Valorie, maybe @ahoneybun and @tsimonq2 can make it. I'm in the UK, and of course I'd love to sample a Valorie {{hug}} for real, but it's a long way, and too expensive
[21:56] <valorie> that is two very long flights indeed
 I did ask for funding to go a week or two ago, and I've passed on valorie's message to the CCT so we can all coordinate together :)
[21:56] <valorie> excellent simon
 @Rick_Timmis I'm going to Pop as of System76
 *for Pop
[21:57] <valorie> @ahoneybun will Sys76 have a table?
[21:58] <valorie> I think Thomas will mostly be attending sessions
 No it is for Pop from my understanding
[21:58] <valorie> or booth
[21:58] <valorie> I see that they are listed as sponsors
[21:59] <valorie> Ubuntu had a big booth a few years ago, but they didn't interact with us at all
[21:59] <valorie> which I found sorta sad
[22:00] <valorie> it was basically a Canonical biz show there
 For the record (I'll say this just once then continue to demonstrate it)... Discourse is The Place to post announcements and have discussions in 2024 for Ubuntu as a whole. Lubuntu has had a Discourse instance since... before it was cool (and we keep a staging instance for testing new features on the main one), but if we're posting announcements etc we should always make sure Discourse has a copy or a link. It's not something anyone
 On that note, I appreciate you valorie for posting on Discourse :)
 valorie: Yes, this is no longer the case, I will personally guarantee that (because I'm so confident)
[22:00] <valorie> seemed like the Right Thing to do
 <3
[22:01] <valorie> personally I would rather cooperate & collaborate
[22:02] <valorie> having a table in the corner was a rather lonely experience even with folks from the other flavors - b/c we all knew where the money and paid people were
[22:02] <valorie> in the next room
[22:02] <valorie> of course we don't really do what we used to -- provide ISOs 
[22:03] <valorie> nobody wants em
[22:03] <valorie> although I plan to bring a drive with the ISOs on it Just In Case
 I will make Some Calls this upcoming week to get a feel for what's up, and report back ASAP
 In the meantime, the CCT is now aware of the thread, I'm hoping for some proactive progress on their end
 I have heard your encouragement re discourse, and I will go and get involved there 🥰
 Perfect! Thank you :D
 An even softer nudge would be towards Matrix, too. Eventually. KDE members have @kde.org accounts they can use, every Kubuntu Member (and Ubuntu Member for that matter) can sign up with @ubuntu.com
 I'm not a KDE member yet, I have no idea about that end ;) but either works
 I need to understand a tiny bit more about how to set that up, then I can 
 1 - Do it
 2 - Document it for other Kubuntu folk
 😎
 The funny thing is that all this documentation... it is written, and it lives on Discourse ;D
 Well, I'm gonna hold my hands up and say 'old man remembers, the old ways, and was too busy, getting busy, when the bus turned up and drove off'
 Still no matter, cos the young folks got the torch n map, and us oldies just so happens, we know how to use the compass.
 My goal in saying these things is to bring them to everyone's attention. I understand, it will take some time, it's part of change and reinvigoration. I am focusing on the fact that Kubuntu is BACK and going full steam, these little pedantic things can be de-prioritized relatively speaking ;)
 That being said, allow me to make one thing crystal clear: this is not the old Canonical everyone has been used to. They're making positive changes and turning a new leaf. I am 100% in support of a better Canonical because that means a better Ubuntu. :)
 /me ~not-canonical btw ;)
 Oh mate, I'm just trying to be comedic, which clearly failed to. Sorry! Let me be direct.
 Not a problem :D
 Ah ha, right stuff moved on a lot, and I wasn't paying attention. Very grateful for all these pointers so I can quickly realign 🥰
 I'm glad :D I'll keep them coming if I see something to point out
 Let me say, I remember when you first joined Kubuntu @tsimonq2 and you worked so so so very hard to suck knowledge and understanding into your head. You got involved everywhere you could, and you worked, worked, worked. I am so proud of what you have achieved, but even more importantly, and speaking as a Christian, 'As you sow, then so shall you reap' 
 This community, is so blessed by you, and frankly I am inspired to re-engage in a project that I have used, and loved for over a decade!!
 Love you @tsimonq2
 Now, while I am in the mood, for recognising those who contributed so much more than me. 
 @RikMills you are just an amazing person, you have dedicated years to the technical development of Kubuntu. More importantly, you have been humble in your approach to input, and you have always worked to shape Kubuntu by listening to the voice of the community, just so brilliant!!
 Thank you very much Rick, it is a pleasure to be here :) as a fellow Christian, God bless you and yours (re @Rick_Timmis: Let me say, I remember when you first joined Kubuntu @tsimonq2 and you worked so so so very hard to suck knowledge and understanding into your head. You got involved everywhere you could, and you worked, worked, worked. I am so proud of what you have achieved, but even more importantly, and speaking as a Christia
 This community, is so blessed by you, and frankly I am inspired to re-engage in a project that I have used, and loved for over a decade!!
 Love you @tsimonq2)