[03:46] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> !test
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> nice
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: very nice post! https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/remove-pro-advertising-from-apt/34051
[10:30] <oerheks> sudo pro config set apt_news=false
[10:30] <oerheks> from https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1ae9gs5/ubuntu_pro_being_forced/
[10:30] <oerheks> lotuspsychje, leftyfb ^^^^
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: its also going about this; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/2047778
[10:32] -ubottu:#ubuntu-discuss- Launchpad bug 2047778 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Software Updater unable to cancel Ubuntu Pro upgrade" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> i got users calling me now because of this
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> imagine what happens on a big company
[13:22] <leftyfb> lotuspsychje: that post was from a year ago.
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: its the first i readed it, and still valid so it seems :p
[14:07] <sem> So if somebody is using a supported release, do Universe packages get security fixes if you don't have Pro?
[14:08] <oerheks> sem, no
[14:09] <sem> So philosophically, it makes sense that you can't turn off warnings that your system is less secure than it could be...
[14:16] <oerheks> one can turn it off; sudo pro config set apt_news=false
[14:18] <sem> Looking at the bug lotuspsychje linked to it doesn't prevent it from appearing in update manager...
[14:18] <sem> But maybe that's ok. Reminding people that universe packages are insecure maybe is ok 
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> they should warn the user before installing insecure packages from universe instead, not leaving users with greyed out update manager by default
[14:25] <sem> Why not do both? We warned you when you installed it, and if you just clicked through, we're warning you again now. Grayed-out buttons might not be the best UX, but if being insecure is an important warning, it shouldn't be "quiet" unless some sysadmin has personally taken responsibility and gone in there and disabled the warning via the commandline
[14:25] <oerheks> there are tons of packages in universe that are outdated, xchat for example
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> if packages are outdated, why keep them in the repos
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> thats like a reverse way around
[14:28] <sem> wait so even Ubuntu Pro doesn't guarrantee that Universe packages are updated? What is the point of it then?
[14:28] <sem> i'm sorry, I didn't mean that
[14:29] <sem> What I meant is, I was under the mistaken impression that Pro was guarranteeing package updates for security fixes 
[14:31] <leftyfb> that's not entirely true
[14:31] <leftyfb> universe packages CAN get updated, by the community maintainer
[14:32] <leftyfb> but if they don't, then Canonical steps in and does it for them
[14:32] <oerheks> 1,800+ additional high and critical patches , sofar
[14:36] <sem> so universe is still potentially risky, but you mitigate it somewhat with ubuntu pro
[14:37] <sem> still miles ahead of Windows where I once ran an old version of Putty for years because I didn't realize there were any updates for it