[00:07] <ahc> I have 2 desktop PCs side by side running Ubuntu 20.04. Both connected to internet switch. I want to share a directory on each, with each other.
[00:08] <arraybolt3> ahc: as in, have one directory that both of them can see and modify?
[00:08] <ahc> In settings, under Sharing I have enabled files sharing. But don't know how to set up Network.
[00:08] <arraybolt3> mmm, I don't know how to use GNOME's file sharing features off the top of my head, someone here might though.
[00:09] <ahc> Seems I have to add a Network. So I'm looking at option 2 here https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/setting-a-static-ip-in-ubuntu-linux-ip-address-tutorial/
[00:11] <e1> ahc, have you tried syncthing?
[00:11] <ahc> That's adding a Static IP, in Settings Network, add + to Wired. Am I on the right track?
[00:12] <ahc> e1 I don't know anything about Suncing.
[00:12] <ahc> Synching
[00:14] <ahc> Looked at Syncthing. I don't want to "sync". Just share a directory between the 2 machines. Must be a native Ubuntu way to do that.
[00:15] <sarnold> ahc: "both connected to internet switch" -- are they both corrently able to use a web browser to browse the full internet?
[00:17] <JanC> you can just enable Samba sharing in the file manager, or enable SSH & use an sftp: location in the file manager...
[00:18] <JanC> files would be on 1 machine but accessible from the other
[00:22] <ahc> sarnold Yes, they both connect to a switch which goes to the modem/router. Both internet on the Web fine.
[00:22] <rbox> ahc: the you dot need t o do anyting special, just connect by ip
[00:23] <rbox> or hostname.local because avahi should be working
[00:24] <ahc> JanC, Clicking on Windows sharing in File Manager, says Unable to access location, failed to receive share list from server
[00:26] <sarnold> ahc: good, then you can ignore all the "how to create a network" things :) sftp://ipaddress/ probably works pretty easy
[00:27] <ahc> rbox, so to return to my original question, I've enabled Settings Sharing, but looking at File Manager Other Locations, I am yet to connect to a Network.
[00:27] <tanath> could just do ssh
[00:27] <e1> you need to input the ip of the sender machine in the box below that, sftp://
[00:27] <rbox> i dont know anytihng about gnoem sharing
[00:30] <ahc> I'd rather not ssh or sftp. As I say, there must be a native Ubuntu way to share Public directories, visible vanilla in File Manager.
[00:31] <ahc> Windows Network, I can see. But its not set up.
[00:31] <tanath> ssh is 'native ubunutu', just install openssh and set it up and you can rsync or set up sshfs or whatever
[00:32] <sarnold> well... sftp is every bit as native as windows file sharing or NFS or openafs or 9p ..
[00:33] <ahc> Thank you tanath and sarnold. Perhaps there is no way to see shared Directories of the PC next door in File manager. That's a pity.
[00:33] <tanath> samba share would do that
[00:34] <JanC> there is, but you probably need to share a directory first
[00:34] <tanath> but imo, samba share is more of a pain to set up right than ssh
[00:34] <JanC> also, I don't think Samba is installed by default?
[00:35] <tanath> and ssh gives you more functionality and security
[00:36] <ahc> I like the more security aspect. Always a worry clicking the Share On button.
[00:38] <ahc> with ssh, I'd have to nominate a master and slave machine each time. When I want to pass files backward and forward, so easy in each's File Manager.
[00:38] <tanath> if you set up sshfs you can use it in your file manager
[00:38] <JanC> the file manager has built-in SFTP support, no need for sshfs
[00:38] <ahc> haven't heard of sshfs - I'll look it up.
[00:39] <tanath> which file manager?
[00:39] <JanC> any one based on Gtk (Gvfs) or KDE (KIO) probably
[00:40] <ahc> Files 3.36.3-stable
[00:40] <JanC> so that includes the default one
[00:40] <tanath> default depends on DE
[00:41] <JanC> Gnome is the default DE, but I AFAIK all the other ones also support it?
[00:42] <tanath> there is no default DE https://ubuntu.com/desktop/flavours
[00:43] <ahc> OK. Well given its opaque as to how to set up File Sharing across 2 machines in Ubuntu 20.04 for quick GUI use in File Manager, and to keep security, looks like I will look at sftp ssh sshfs.
[00:45] <ahc> In File Manager, + Other Locations, clicking on connect to server / enter server address, it reports No recent servers found.
[00:46] <ahc> File manager + Other Locations, can see its own shared folders, only.
[00:48] <tanath> https://github.com/Tanath/dotfiles/blob/master/sys/ssh.md#references-notes
[00:48] <ahc> thanks, T
[00:48] <JanC> if you can connect from one computer to the other with ssh, it's as simple as pressing Ctrl+L to show the location bar in the file manager, and type an sftp URL there
[00:49] <JanC> I
[00:50] <JanC> tanath: I did a quick check & even Lubuntu's file manager uses Gvfs, so I assume it works there too
[00:53] <ahc> reading up SSHFS, it seems that might be the way to go. Even though it creates an entry in fstab, sheez.
[00:53] <tanath>  /shrug i didn't know gvfs suports sftp
[00:53] <tanath> fstab is for making it permanent and mount automatically
[00:57] <ahc> presently I'm putting files up on Dropbox, downloading them from the other machine, Lol. Maybe ssh or ftp then. I'm okay at the command line.
[01:00] <tanath> terminal is well worth learning. i recommend installing xfce4-terminal and setting a custom shortcut binding `xfce4-terminal --fullscreen --drop-down` to f12, so it's always a button away
[01:01] <tanath> and toggleable
[01:01] <JanC> probably best to just use the default terminal to begin with...
[01:01] <tanath> then you can't do that
[01:02] <tanath> and the dependencies are light
[01:03] <JanC> Ctrl+Alt+T pops up a new terminal in the default Desktop (and you can also pin it to the dock, of course)
[01:04] <tanath> and the command i gave doesn't pop up a new terminal. it toggles the existing one, with the icon visible in tray
[01:05] <tanath> and ctrl+alt+t is a pain to type, but you could change the shortcut. i'm suggesting a way to make it most convenient and easy to access. which also makes you more likely to use the terminal for stuff
[01:07] <leftyfb> Running Ubuntu 22.04. pactl and pacmd only list the active sink as an available sink when I run "pactl list sinks" or "pacmd list-sinks". But from the gnome GUI I can change between all 3. Once I'm changed, the default-sink updates in pactl and pacmd but the other 2 are not options to set-default-sink. Any thoughts?
[01:10] <bparker> what about pulsemixer
[01:10] <tanath> correction: it does pop up a new terminal if it's not already running, but if it is it just shows it. this is better for when you've already been using the terminal and want to go back to it
[01:12] <leftyfb> bparker: pulsemixer lets me pick between them all from the Card section
[01:13] <dannnnn> I'm using 22.04 on a laptop and just noticed that my trackpad isn't able to click unless i'm in the default gnome windows manager. When i'm at the login screen, or using a tiling window manage (sway using wayland), i'm able to move the cursor but clicking or tapping won't work. Is there a way i can troubleshoot this?
[01:13] <rbox> its a settign you need to eanble somewhere
[01:13] <rbox> gnome has a hceckbox for it
[01:14] <leftyfb> rbox: who are you referring to?
[01:14] <rbox> dannnnn
[01:14] <dannnnn> does gnome alter settings for other window managers?
[01:15] <rbox> no
[01:16] <sarnold> no, but sometimes they use the same settings, so it might feel like that for specific things
[01:17] <leftyfb> bparker: any idea why pulsemixer shows all the outputs as options as card but pactl and pacmd only show the selected output as an available sink?
[01:17] <dannnnn> hmm, i'll click around. Its odd because when i log in (using tab to navigate to the login), i'm able to click just fine, it is _only_ when i'm outside of gnome.
[01:17] <rbox> yes, when you start gnome, it applies settings
[01:18] <dannnnn> Do you happen to know how I can see what configuration files it refers to?
[01:18] <dannnnn> I just found the mouse/trackpad settings and they are all enabled
[01:19] <sarnold> gnome does a lot of things with a registry-like blob..
[01:20] <sarnold> I've got this in my ~/.xsession:
[01:20] <sarnold> xinput set-prop "Synaptics TM3289-021" "libinput Accel Speed" 1
[01:20] <sarnold> xinput set-prop "Synaptics TM3289-021" "libinput Tapping Enabled" 1
[01:20] <dannnnn> I've used xorg/xfree86 for years so i'm suspicious that this is an issue with wayland.
[01:21] <sarnold> probably something similar could help you -- try xinput to find the device names, xinput list-props "name of device" on the thing ..
[01:22] <sarnold> lol wayland apparently has that as a faq https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/1.10.4/tapping.html#tapping_default
[01:23] <dannnnn> hah, good find!
[01:23] <dannnnn> i was suspicious until i read the manpage. I guess jammy does some black magic where it uses x _and_ wayland?
[01:24] <sarnold> both are available and I don't know how the default is selected, and even once wayland is running, there's still a compatability shim xwayland thing that's running.. I don't really udnerstand it :(
[01:25] <rbox> X apps can't connect to wayland
[01:25] <dannnnn> yeah, thats the curse of a distro that "just works"
[01:25] <rbox> so they have to connect tio soemthgin, hence xwayland
[01:27] <sarnold> dannnnn: these gsettings commands might help, your DE might respect them https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/libinput#Touchpad_not_working_in_GNOME  -- there's a few other gui config toolsl isted for ghnome, cinnamon, mate, kde plasma 5, and xfce https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/libinput#Graphical_tools -- but no mention of sway :(
[01:28] <sarnold> dannnnn: bingo! https://manpages.debian.org/experimental/sway/sway-input.5.en.html#LIBINPUT_CONFIGURATION
[01:43] <ahc> Sharing in Files File Manager Nautilus seems to be documented here https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/nautilus-connect.html.en
[01:49] <ahc> So, setting up ssh seems to enable access by File Manager, its Connect to Network server url box at bottom ssh://username@servername.example.com/folder
[02:07] <leftyfb> solved my issue. Needed to switch between card profiles, not sinks
[02:09] <bparker> I figured
[02:16] <sarnold> leftyfb: ah cool, thanks
[02:17] <leftyfb> it's always fun building a new laptop and finding out all the little quirks you need to work around
[02:19] <bparker> building a.. laptop?
[02:19] <leftyfb> configuring
[02:20] <leftyfb> but technically yes, I did build this laptop
[02:20] <leftyfb> it came in a kit I chose had to put together :)
[02:20] <sarnold> lol
[02:20] <leftyfb> https://frame.work/products/laptop-diy-13-gen-intel
[02:41] <sem> leftyfb: what parts, if any, do you think you will need to upgrade first on that laptop?
[02:42] <leftyfb> probably the $9 usb-c I use to charge with as it sees the most action
[02:43] <leftyfb> I might also replace the bezel I got for the screen with a black one. I don't like the white
[02:43] <leftyfb> but that's $50. A bit steep
[02:43] <sarnold> I got some electrical tape you can borrow
[02:44] <sarnold> I've actually used a pinprick through a square of electrical tape to tone down an enthusiastic blue power LEd
[02:45] <leftyfb> there's a linux util that lets me turn down the brightness on mine :)
[02:46] <leftyfb> I use the same util as part of a script that turns off the keyboard backlight when the computer gets locked and back on when it's unlocked
[02:46] <dreamer_> woo, goal achieved. I'm a linux bro
[02:47] <leftyfb> the same script kills power to my speakers and a small monitor I use as a dashboard
[02:48] <alguien> Why do I have this flicker when looking at videos in my browser? https://gemoo.com/tools/upload-video/share/613684546763874304?codeId=vzxa1on3N6an0&card=613684542909308928
[02:48] <dreamer_> All linux distros have disabled my laptops trackpad and there has been no results in troubleshooting. It just doesn't like my fooking laptop
[02:49] <alguien> dreamer_, is it a thinkpad?
[02:49] <leftyfb> dreamer_: what OS does your trackpad work on?
[02:49] <dreamer_> nah, its a toshiba satellite
[02:49] <dreamer_> windows but after one of the security updates to windows 10, it became disabled
[02:49] <alguien> dreamer_, i had to install a hacked kernel to get a thinkpad working
[02:50] <dreamer_> this is terrifying to hear, i'm way too stoned for this my good sir
[02:50] <leftyfb> alguien: try this https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2339302&p=13553913#post13553913
[02:51] <alguien> well hacked as in tinkered with. I'm sure the random dude that did it has best intentions
[02:51] <leftyfb> dreamer_: ok, so you'r saying your trackpad doesn't with any OS at the moment?
[02:51] <leftyfb> doesn't work*
[02:52] <dreamer_> i'll get back to you on that, i'm having short term memory problems due to unnatural gasses entering the lung
[02:53] <leftyfb> dreamer_: I'm leaning towards your trackpad is disabled/damaged. Nothing to do with the OS
[02:53] <leftyfb> dreamer_: https://smallbusiness.chron.com/disable-touchpad-toshiba-laptop-53373.html
[02:55] <alguien> leafyfb, will try. Funny how obsolete that line is: gksudo gedit -> sudo gnome-text-editor
[03:03] <alguien> leafyfb left?
[03:05] <alguien> What he suggested didn't help I'm afraid
[03:06] <alguien> Any other suggestions as to why these squares might being drawn when watching video? https://gemoo.com/tools/upload-video/share/613684546763874304?codeId=vzxa1on3N6an0&card=613684542909308928
[03:13] <bparker> video driver issues?
[03:13] <bparker> I know older FF versions had a flicker issue also, not sure what you're running
[03:25] <fdan> hey guys, i am trying to create the log files here
[03:25] <fdan> but for some reason the file is not getting created
[03:25] <fdan> https://dpaste.org/UhHD2
[03:25] <fdan> ec2-user@ip-10-67-3-4:~/node/bor/bor/chaindata$ ls -ld /home/ec2-user/node/bor/
[03:25] <fdan> drwxrwxr-x 3 ec2-user ec2-user 4096 Feb 6 14:05 /home/ec2-user/node/bor/
[03:25] <fdan> ec2-user@ip-10-67-3-4:~/node/bor/bor/chaindata$ ls -ld /home/ec2-user/node/
[03:26] <sarnold> fdan: btw the namei -l command is great for this kind of thing; namei -l /home/ec2-user/node/bor/nohup.out
[03:26] <sarnold> omg cmon bot..
[03:27] <bparker> lol
[03:27] <sarnold> I KNEW IT
[03:27] <fdan> nohup.out - No such file or directory
[03:27] <fdan> https://dpaste.org/RHvg4
[03:27] <sarnold> fdan: touch the file maybe? I wonder if 'append:' really means append or not
[03:28] <sarnold> what uid is the process in question? ec2-user and root (with CAP_DAC_OVERRIDE) are the only two uids that can get to that filename
[03:29] <fdan> how do i find the uid in the process
[03:29] <sarnold> i'm headed out for the night, hopefullysomeone else iwll be around if that's not it :)
[03:29] <sarnold> ps auxw | grep processname
[03:30] <fdan> ec2-user  6875 27.5  2.0 4791880 1357336 ?     Ssl  01:58  25:10 /usr/local/bin/bor server --config /home/ec2-user/polygon/bor/poly-config.toml
[03:37] <alguien> Who calls himself BedMan? Yeesh
[03:40] <Ximo> maybe he works at a mattress supply store
[03:42] <bparker> also known as a money laundering front
[03:42] <alguien> Ximo, that's good, let's go with that
[03:49] <alguien> Would anyone know a way to trigger the audio OSD without changing volume?
[03:49] <alguien> Or, alternatively, by changing volume by a specific amount
[03:50] <alguien> Note xdotool doesn't work with wayland
[04:43] <Ryu945> What was the opensource ffmpeg that ships with many forms of linux called?
[04:47] <rbox> ffmpeg IS opensource...?
[04:47] <tarzeau> yes
[05:20] <wh1> I used this flag in terminal
[05:20] <wh1> google-chrome --enable-features=VaapiVideoEncoder
[05:20] <wh1> and my hardware video encoding is working. So I want it it to persist, so i looked on internet and found to edit chrome-flags.config but I had no such file in .config folder. So I created with nano and added that file and flag. But it didn't work., I just want that flag to run when I open chrome!
[05:20] <wh1> I edited to add that flag in usr/share/applications/google-chrome.desktop and copied that desktop file to .local/share/applications/
[05:23] <wh1> anyone can help?
[05:24] <wh1> i just want the flag to persist everytime i open chrome
[07:03] <wh1> anyone there to hel
[07:03] <wh1> help
[07:03] <wh1> is this community working ?
[07:46] <defender> Hello
[07:47] <defender> Any knows about the SIEM can't connect to agent?
[07:47] <defender> name of SIEM was wazuh
[09:45] <chmd> Hi there, I am facing a weird issue. Ever since my last update, the network will start timing out after a while. I have to restart NetworkManager with systemctl for it to pickup. I don't know in which logs to look for the issue. Can anyone advise?
[09:46] <chmd> I also noticed that multicast dns is also broken, and I cannot resolve ".local" addresses
[10:30] <Jose95> Hola buenos dias
[10:31] <Jose95> Agradeceria mucho me ayudara alguien
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> !es | Jose95
[10:33] <Jose95> Tanck
[11:13] <ed> wh1: can you share what those files look like?
[11:51] <WayneS> Which one of those clang releases is the correct one for an Intel i5 CPU? https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/releases/tag/llvmorg-17.0.1 I tried clang+llvm-17.0.1-amd64-pc-solaris2.11.tar.xz but when I run the clang binary inside it I get "bash: ./clang: No such file or directory", which I believe means that the binary is meant for a different architecture.
[11:56] <wyre> hi guys, what's the default kernel version for Ubuntu 22.04? 🤔
[11:57] <WayneS> maybe 5.15.0-73-generic https://askubuntu.com/a/1472465
[11:58] <nshire> does the new* ubuntu installer support full disk encryption? I used to see it as an option with the old installer, but haven't seen it anymore
[12:01] <WayneS> wyre: also depends on point release version (the X in 22.04.X) https://ubuntu.com/kernel/lifecycle
[12:10] <WayneS> I found the answer for my question. Apparently, the correct file would be clang+llvm-17.0.1-x86_64-linux-gnu-ubuntu-22.04.tar.xz, which is missing for some reason, but there are releases for other versions which are not incomplete, for example https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/releases/tag/llvmorg-17.0.6
[16:01] <hudlee> on 22.04 lts how do I make the dock always visible, instead of only visible when you hit the search menu key?
[16:14] <hudlee> perhaps my issues stem from starting with ubuntu server and installing the desktop stuff manually, I don't seem to have software-center how do I get that installed?
[16:22] <hudlee> As in my actual issue seems to be I don't have the old expected packages, sudo apt install gnome-software -y produces Package 'gnome-software' has no installation candidate, perhaps my apt sources are funky?
[16:31] <ioria> hudlee, idt gnome-software has a relation with dock visible or not
[17:59] <zteam> Hello, is there a ppa that contains the mainline kernel for recent Ubuntu releases (yes there is a good a reason I need them)
[18:00] <CosmicDJ> zteam: google? https://9to5linux.com/you-can-now-install-linux-kernel-6-7-on-ubuntu-heres-how
[18:03] <zteam> CosmicDJ, Thank you, I specifally Googled for a ppa for Ubuntu mainline kernel, so I'm a bit suprised I missed that one :O
[18:03] <zteam> Nice find :D
[18:09] <ogra_> zteam, you also do not want to use any kernels from the mailine PPA (they are missing 100s of (security) patches, miss a meta-package so they will never update and use the mainline defconfig (which is pretty far from ubuntus config)) ... the mainline ones are really only dfor testing things, not for general usage
[18:14] <ogra_> zteam, try this one https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ubuntu/unstable, thats at least half way there compared to the mainline stuff
[18:16] <zteam> ogra_, how can they possible be less secure? (shouldn't the latest vanilla kernel be missing secureity-patches or are you talking about patches for specific Ubuntu packages? anyway, Ubuntu has multiple issues for me, I can't power off my machine properly since Ubuntu 22.10, nor does it wake up from suspend (at least one of these issues is related to the nivida driver
[18:16] <zteam> ogra_, okey, I try that one as well, thank you :)
[18:19] <zteam> brb
[18:26] <zteam> ogra_, well using the mainline kernel does indeed make the machine power down properly, not just properly it turns off blazing fast, it still doesn'tturn on my screem of I suspend it though :P
[18:28] <kucklehead> Wasn't there a command where you use curl and nc to upload files to tambain?
[18:29] <zteam> kucklehead, do you mean pastebin ? if so there is a tool in the repos called pastebinit
[18:31] <kucklehead> No. There is an old way or a trick that involves using curl and nc with 9999 tambian
[18:32] <swansone> So I just updated my laptop from Ubuntu 20.04 to 22.04 and now my wifi doesn't work. `lspci -k` shows the card is using iwlwifi driver, `dmesg | grep iwlwifi` shows a bunch of lines that I can't interpret. Anyone have a good guide on debugging wifi issues?
[18:35] <zteam> swansone, does it list any new installable drivers (hit your windows key and type driver and go to addinal drivers does it list any additional drivers? (you might need to connect a cable in order to download the new driver
[18:36] <zteam> kucklehead, okey, never heard of tambian before, so no idea there :-)
[18:38] <swansone> zteam, I'm on a cable now, fortunately. I see two sections for "Intel Corporation Unkown" One is my camera, and the other is "Using hardware support for Dell XPS 9315 from oem-somerville-psyduck-meta (open source)" It doesn't say anything about needing new ones
[18:39] <kucklehead> that's fine
[18:40] <ioria> swansone, is backport-iwlwifi-dkms installed ?
[18:40] <swansone> ioria, not sure, is there an easy way to check?
[18:40] <ioria> kucklehead, maybe you mean termbin: cat file | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:41] <ioria> swansone, dpkg -l | grep  backport-iwlwifi-dkms
[18:41] <swansone> Doing `sudo dpkg -l | grep iwlwifi` doesn't show anything, which is weird
[18:42] <ioria> swansone, without sudo
[18:42] <swansone> Sorry, yes, same result
[18:42] <swansone> iwlwifi does show up in dmesg though https://dpaste.com/EAU3YN5UT
[18:43] <ioria> swansone, ah, a crash
[18:43] <zteam> swansone, sudo lsmod | grep  backport-iwlwifi-dkms should give you a clue (assuming thats the proper name for it
[18:44] <swansone> ioria it does look like a crash, but I don't really know where to start with debugging it
[18:44] <zteam> swansone, or possible rather  sudo lsmod | grep iwlwifi
[18:44] <ioria> swansone, what's your kernel ? uname -r
[18:45] <swansone> kernel: 6.5.0-17-generic
[18:45] <swansone> lsmod:
[18:45] <swansone> iwlwifi               598016  1 iwlmvm
[18:45] <swansone> cfg80211             1318912  3 iwlmvm,iwlwifi,mac80211
[18:46] <ioria> swansone, on 22.04 ?
[18:47] <swansone> Yeah lsb_release -a: Description:	Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS
[18:48] <zteam> swansone, lsmod seems to be indicate that the driver is loaded by the kernel at least
[18:48] <ioria> swansone, grep proposed /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:50] <swansone> sources.list https://dpaste.com/6HC4EQ8VG
[18:50] <swansone> Nothing proposed, just the old sources commented out
[18:51] <ioria> swansone, try to boot another kernel from Grub -> advanced options
[18:51] <swansone> Oooh, that's fun. Not something I've done before. Like an older kernel?
[18:53] <ioria> yes
[18:53] <swansone> Okay, I can give that a try, I will be back =)
[18:53] <ioria> swansone, and check if you have a sources.list.save
[18:54] <ioria> swansone, in /etc/apt , i mean
[18:54] <swansone> I have a sources.list.d with some entries in it
[18:54] <swansone> focal-oem.list might be relevant?
[18:55] <ioria> sure
[18:56] <swansone> Other sources: https://dpaste.com/H5KRX5P3T
[18:58] <ioria> swansone, try to boot an older kernel
[18:58] <swansone> Will try. Do you think I already have one on my system?
[19:00] <ioria> swansone, ls /boot
[19:01] <swansone> Okay, it looks like there's a 5.15.0 kernel there
[19:01] <swansone> I'll try that one
[19:01] <swansone> Be back in a bit
[19:10] <swansone> ioria: funny story. I failed to bring up the grub boot menu, so my computer just booted as normal. Now wifi works. This is the third reboot since the upgrade, and the first time it's worked
[19:11] <swansone> I feel a bit like Tom Knight's student http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/koans.html
[19:12] <ioria> looking
[19:13] <ioria> interesting
[19:13] <swansone> No crash in iwlwifi this time
[19:14] <bparker> almost every machine I have ever tried to use wifi on under linux has had massive problems, either with performance, reliability or both
[19:14] <bparker> over decades
[19:15] <swansone> Same honestly, but I had no issues with this one for over a year before deciding to upgrade ubuntu versions. I'm hoping this was just a little blip, but of all the things that can go wrong with a laptop, losing wifi is one of the most frustrating
[19:15] <swansone> that's like, the whole point of the laptop for me
[19:15] <swansone> In any case, I deeply appreciate the help ioria and zteam
[19:17] <swansone> We'll see if it stays stable, I may be back for more troubleshooting later. Good opportunity to learn, I guess.
[20:30] <stuv> hey gys, suddenly my alt-tab doesn't work anymroe
[20:31] <stuv> i'm using xfce4 wm
[20:35] <stuv> what application is settings > devices > keyboard in xfce4 with ubuntu ?
[20:39] <kucklehead> ioria, yeah you're right! I don't know why i thought curl was needed lol
[20:42] <xangua> stuv: did you edit your shortcuts recently?
[20:42] <xangua> stuv: you can also check the Window Manager settings
[20:58] <stuv> xangua: no
[21:00] <stuv> xangua: the "cycle window" is set to alt-tab
[21:01] <stuv> but it doesn't worr
[21:11] <stuv> xangua: and i've not changed anything there
[21:15] <stuv> xangua: i've switched now from alt-tab to alt-s and now it works but i want alt-tab back
[21:16] <stuv> what can be the problem here
[21:16] <leftyfb> stuv: https://askubuntu.com/a/842034
[21:29] <stuv> leftyfb: does not work
[21:30] <stuv> also alt-shift-tab doesn't work
[21:35] <stuv> leftyfb: do you have any explanaition for this ?
[21:36] <stuv> i've not changed something in these settings
[21:39] <stuv> i think it was because of an update
[21:48] <stuv> damn i get cracy here, i haven't changed something on the keyboard settings and suddently alt-shift-tab and alt-tab isn't working anymore
[21:50] <stuv> i try a restart
[21:57] <stuv> now i've a keyboard on the top right of my pannel
[22:01] <stuv> when i go to the window manager and try to set alt-tab there the tab key is not recognzed
[22:02] <stuv> it's like my tab key isn't recognzed at all anymore
[22:08] <stuv> can someone please help me out here ?
[22:12] <stuv> i'm really frustrated by the case that tab isn't suddenly not working aynmore, the ev command shows me that it does work
[22:13] <bparker> what window manager
[22:13] <stuv> xfce4
[22:21] <stuv> i found https://www.starnet.com/help/tab-key-not-working-when-using-xfce-desktop/ but that dones't help
[22:21] <bparker> can you use tab in other programs?
[22:22] <bparker> or other window managers?
[22:22] <stuv> no
[22:22] <leftyfb> stuv: create a new user, login as that new user and see if it works
[22:23] <stuv> it works in qtcreator but not in weechat
[22:28] <stuv> leftyfb: how to best create a new user when sudo apt-get install gnome-system-tools gives me an error
[22:29] <leftyfb> stuv: https://docs.xubuntu.org/current/user/C/administrative-tasks.html
[22:30] <leftyfb> also, why are you installing and running gnome-system-tools if you're running XFCE?
[22:31] <stuv> i had troubles installing ubuntu because of my nvidia settup so i choosed ubuntu and switched to xfce4
[22:32] <leftyfb> it sounds like you have a bit of a mess on your hands
[22:32] <stuv> i mean i had troubles installin debian
[22:32] <stuv> he turns of the montitor during install
[22:33] <stuv> randomly
[22:33] <bparker> lolwut
[22:33] <bparker> I think we know why things are messed up now
[22:33] <stuv> it all works fine
[22:34] <bparker> clearly
[22:34] <leftyfb> stuv: except it doesn't
[22:34] <stuv> true
[22:34] <leftyfb> [15:30:47] <stuv> hey gys, suddenly my alt-tab doesn't work anymroe
[22:34] <leftyfb> [17:28:59] <stuv> leftyfb: how to best create a new user when sudo apt-get install gnome-system-tools gives me an error
[22:34] <bparker> >suddenly
[22:34] <bparker> the biggest mystery
[22:34] <stuv> but i want to go back to debian but the isntalled turns of the monitor during installl
[22:35] <leftyfb> stuv: I would suggest installing Xubuntu from scratch if you want XFCE
[22:35] <stuv> ah ok
[22:35] <stuv> i give it a try
[22:43] <stuv> i try to create a bootable iso but the command "sudo dd if=/home/stuv/Downloads/xubuntu-22.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdd1 bs=1M status=progress" i finsihed in about 2 seconds, that can'T be right
[22:44] <leftyfb>  /dev/sdd not /dev/sdd1
[22:44] <leftyfb> but also, how big is that iso file?
[22:45] <stuv> 2.8gig
[22:46] <stuv> sdd give me same result
[22:46] <leftyfb> stuv: are you sure the usb storage device is /dev/sdd ?
[22:47] <stuv> sdd           8:48   1  29,7G  0 disk
[22:47] <stuv> ├─sdd1        8:49   1   4,7G  0 part /media/stuv/Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS amd64
[22:47] <stuv> ├─sdd2        8:50   1   4,9M  0 part
[22:47] <stuv> ├─sdd3        8:51   1   300K  0 part
[22:47] <stuv> └─sdd4        8:52   1    25G  0 part
[22:47] <leftyfb> !paste | stuv
[22:47] <stuv> sry for that
[22:47] <leftyfb> uh
[22:48] <leftyfb> unmount it first
[22:48] <leftyfb> this is a 32GB USB storage device?
[22:48] <leftyfb> writing the iso to it is going to wipe everything on that flash drive
[22:50] <stuv> i know
[22:52] <stuv> now i get dd: unknown device /dev/sdd
[22:54] <stuv> isn't there a tool i can use to copy the iso ?
[22:54] <stuv> normaly dd is working
[22:55] <jeremy31> stuv, Ventoy works well
[22:56] <stuv> i can't isntall it with apt-get
[22:57] <leftyfb> stuv: https://github.com/balena-io/etcher/releases/download/v1.19.4/balena-etcher_1.19.4_amd64.deb
[23:01] <bparker> jeremy31: out of the dozen or so different ISOs I tried with ventoy (all different OSes), maybe 3 of them worked
[23:02] <jeremy31> I have used Ubuntu, Mint and Windows ISOs without issue
[23:39] <toddc> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-desktop oficial guide to install ubuntu to a usb drive
[23:42] <sarnold> that's installing *using* a usb disk, not installing *to* a usb disk
[23:44] <tanath> bparker: that's weird. i've tried many distros and a variety of editions with ventoy and they almost all worked. maybe you used it a long time ago and it improved? they're always improving and adding more support
[23:45] <tanath> only one i could find issues with lately is fedora