[02:34] <mmikowski> Kubuntu 24.04 installer mocks are in: https://kfocus.org/NobleDev.f9150309/noble-installer-mockup-01.png and https://kfocus.org/NobleDev.f9150309/noble-installer-mockup-02.png.  arraybolt3 is implementing. Any thoughts are welcome!
[02:47] <guiverc> I like it  (-01 easier for me to read; in window on this box anyway; they can often appear different when booted live & on different hardware)..
[02:47] <guiverc> mmikowski, ^
[02:47] <mmikowski> guiverc: Yes, I think larger fonts might be better too. These are 24 and 36px.
[02:48] <mmikowski> Might be better at 32 and 48px
[02:50] <guiverc> I use 1280x1024 for some QA... on lower-res monitors you don't need massive fonts...   (I don't know what font size that was, but looked fine for me & I'm not exactly young)
[02:58] <mmikowski> Thanks!
[09:02] <sgmoore> Eickmeyer: I did not lol, our utomation tools did that :(
[11:54] <sgmoore> kdewebkit is using an ecm feature that does not yet exist, I have patched it out and hopefully 5.115 will finish today. 
[12:41] <sgmoore> alright kf5 5.115 is ready for testing https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-frameworks please note: pre-release software does need to be enabled as this ppa builds with it.
[12:58] <sgmoore> oh hmm, guess I have to rebuild all plasma and apps on new frameworks as it removes them all
[13:31] <sgmoore> Hey, so another thing I noticed while testing a new ISO is we don't have the lovely plasma-welcome! Is this something anyone is opposed to me working on ( I will need help with branding of course ) ricktimmis tsimonq2 RikMills ?
[13:54] <ricktimmis> So I did put a POC together using QT, of something similar to what you see with Linux Mint. The repo on my Github is here https://github.com/ricktimmis/KubuntuCE but sadly no code their. I expect it's on my other laptop.
[13:55] <ricktimmis> However, it was very early phase. However, Aaron R has done a bunch of work on a QT based welcome UI for Kubuntu Focus. I'm saying we should take that, but I think it's worth a dicussion as a group
[13:55] <ricktimmis> Personally, I love the idea of being able to give our new users some clear steer in whatis where etc...
[14:04] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:12] <RikMills> sgmoore: if you want to work on it, then I would suggest patching out the online accounts page. That is using a feature that is often very buggy in K/Ubuntu, and won't give a good impression if account addition fails in a welcome app
[14:19] <sgmoore> Indeed. arraybolt3 have you looked at plasma-welcome? it would be much easier to maintian if we use existing framework ( aka kde devs hold responsibility for bugs and what not ) is it possible for us to use that and then Kubuntu Focus patches what you need? I don't want to take away your hard work, I am just thinking future maintainability for Kubuntu.
[14:22] <sgmoore> Right now stock Kubuntu has nothing. If we take yours we would have to carry a patch that de-Focus's it, which well could get ugly.
[14:24] <sgmoore> And for what its worth online accounts seems buggy in all qt apps. From what I have seen upstream is barely maintained for years. KDE devs have tried submitting MR's and it has literally taken years to get responses.
[14:49] <arraybolt3> sgmoore: Kubuntu Focus tried to use plasma-welcome as inspiration, but the whole structure was unsuitable for what we were going for. The UI design was incompatible with the features we wanted, and our wizard's purpose was fundamentally different than plasma-welcome's purpose, thus why we ended up making a whole entire wizard from scratch.
[14:50] <arraybolt3> For Kubuntu itself, I'd say plasma-welcome would be a good fit since it acts as an introduction to the DE, sort of like GNOME's "Tour" in Fedora.
[14:50] <arraybolt3> whereas our wizard was meant for quickly setting up and introducing individual apps and tools.
[14:57] <sgmoore> arraybolt3: That's what I kinda figured, it is very tailored for your platform :) You will just need to disable plasma-welcome on your end. Thanks for your input!
[14:57] <arraybolt3> sure thing!
[14:57] <arraybolt3> Funny enough, we actually ship plasma-welcome and have a screen in our wizard that launches the plasma-welcome one :P
[14:58] <arraybolt3> that way you get all the good from both of them
[14:58] <sgmoore> nice!
[14:59]  * sgmoore puts plasma-welcome on to-do list and adds to workboard
[15:00]  * arraybolt3 is working on the installer prompt some more
[16:26]  * arraybolt3 screams into the void
[16:26] <arraybolt3> NetworkManagerQt is a major headache.
[16:27] <arraybolt3> Trying to fight with the networking code in kubuntu-installer-prompt currently. Turns out there's no *easy* way to determine which WiFi connection is actually connected.
[16:28] <sgmoore> I haven't looked at what you are looking at, but have you looked into solid? I know it has some magic that gets networking info.
[16:29] <arraybolt3> I have not, I didn't know that was a thing.
[16:29] <arraybolt3> I'm trying to use KDE's NetworkManagerQt framework, the same thing the plasma-nm widget uses.
[16:29] <sgmoore> https://invent.kde.org/frameworks/solid
[16:29] <arraybolt3> Trouble is NetworkManager is very... messy, internally.
[16:29] <sgmoore> I have seen applications use ^
[16:30] <sgmoore> may or may not help, but worht a shot :)
[16:30] <arraybolt3> interesting, might be helpful for a second pass
[16:31] <sgmoore> arraybolt3: https://api.kde.org/frameworks/solid/html/
[16:31] <arraybolt3> looking, it says it provides network management but I can't actually see what class would do that
[16:32] <arraybolt3> it has network share support, but that's quite a bit different than what I'm looking for
[16:34] <sgmoore> okay, like I said, it was a long shot. Carry on, sorry to distract you