[00:50] <peacefulman> does anyone else use fscrypt? How stable is it? Seems pretty stable on 22.04
[00:51] <sarnold> it should be pretty stable but I expect LUKS gets way more use
[00:51] <sarnold> they solve different problems, but there's enough overlap that a lot of folks just use the better-integrated LUKS
[00:52] <peacefulman> the problem is, if the power goes out or I need to reboot the pc remotely I have no access to enter the luks boot password
[00:53] <peacefulman> I hear though the next ubuntu release will have some tpm stuff builtin though
[00:53] <sarnold> then fscrypt would definitely be a better fit today :)
[01:33] <metsatron_> Hi, I made the terrible mistake of enabling Ubuntu Pro. Now support is broken for some essential plugins. How can I roll back the ESM updates? I can't find anything online.
[01:35] <JanC> what do you mean by "support is broken for some essential plugins"?
[01:38] <metsatron_> @JanC I'm running Xubuntu 22.04. After the ESM updates XFCE4 Panel no longer renders some external plugins correctly. One is vala-panel-appmenu. So I literally have no usable app menus now. Is there a way to roll back the updates? I tried disabling ESM Infra and ESM Apps but it did not roll them back.
[01:40] <sarnold> with the caveat that I haven't tried this, I think it stands a good chance of working: apt install --reinstall $(apt list --installed | grep esm | awk -F/ '{print $1;}')
[01:42] <metsatron_> @sarnold I get a lot of "Reinstallation of [package] is not possible, it cannot be downloaded."
[01:42] <JanC> looks like libexo is in ESM, which is the XFCE core Gtk extension library
[01:42] <sarnold> dang
[01:42] <sarnold> metsatron_: oh, did you run apt update after disabling the esm repos?
[01:42] <JanC> I'm surprised they would break the ABI of that though?
[01:43] <metsatron_> @sarnold I haven't. I will try that now.
[01:43] <JanC> that would break all the XFCE application, not just some plugins
[01:44] <metsatron_> @sarnold unfortunately that did not offer to roll anything back.
[01:44] <JanC> metsatron_: I assume you tried restarting already?
[01:45] <pragmaticenigma> this isn't because of libc updates?
[01:45] <JanC> libc isn't in ESM though
[01:45] <sarnold> metsatron_: dang. the next step I'd take if it were me task is to apt install foo=version bar=version ... for all the packages that you've got, specifying the highest package version still available to you
[01:46] <JanC> pragmaticenigma: or you mean maybe the ydid that around the same time?
[01:46] <metsatron_> @JanC. Yes I tried restarting. Initially I reloaded xfce4-panel after the update and that's when I noticed it had broken.
[01:47] <JanC> I meant restart everything (or at least the dekstop session)
[01:47] <metsatron_> Yeah I have tried that.
[01:47] <JanC> metsatron_: do you see any errors from those plugins?
[01:48] <metsatron_> I'll do it again just to be sure.
[01:50] <pragmaticenigma> JanC: yes, wondering if the libc came at the same time as the ESM enrollment
[01:50] <metsatron_> JanC: I don't see any errors. Just rendering issues. For example the appmenu works, but it's not expanded. So only 10px is visible and the expand setting does nothing. I also noticed that on a panel all icons now conform to the height of the panel rather than having say 16px icons for menu's, 32px icons for windows and 64px icons for launchers.
[01:51] <metsatron_> The window menu plugin also changed appearance and that's not an external plugin, it's in the official repo.
[01:52] <metsatron_> Anyway, I'll reboot and come back. I may miss your messages until I get back.
[01:52] <JanC> I think libexo-* (3 files) & exo-utils are the packages that need downgrading from 4.16.3-1ubuntu0.1~esm1 to 4.16.3-1 to revert the changes that are relevant for XFCE
[01:55] <sarnold> metsatron:  < JanC> I think libexo-* (3 files) & exo-utils are the packages that need downgrading from 4.16.3-1ubuntu0.1~esm1 to 4.16.3-1 to revert the changes that are relevant for XFCE
[01:55] <JanC> a security update for libexo shouldn't break things though, that sounds like a bug...   :-/
[01:56] <JanC> as every XFCE application depends on it
[01:56] <metsatron> Pardon my ignorance. I don't really understand how ESM updates work. Is it just another repo or is it a different system entirely like snap?
[01:56] <sarnold> it's just another repo
[01:57] <metsatron> Can I list all the last updated packages from today?
[01:57] <sarnold> /var/log/dpkg.log is probably the easiest log to read
[01:57] <JanC> maybe do that on pastebin if there were a lot
[01:58] <JanC> if it's just a couple lines then here is fine too
[02:01] <sarnold> if I've navigated the PPAs correctly, this was the upstream version of the exo-open patch https://github.com/xfce-mirror/exo/commit/cc047717c3b5efded2cc7bd419c41a3d1f1e48b6
[02:01] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Commit cc04771 in xfce-mirror/exo "exo-open : Only execute local .desktop files"
[02:01] <sarnold> are your ,desktop files loading remote things?
[02:03] <metsatron> https://pastebin.com/wiv3ey36
[02:04] <JanC> oh, you were using stuff from backports
[02:05] <raub> xfce question: is there a place where I can check if my F5/F6 keys are setup to turn keyboard lights on and off?
[02:06] <sarnold> man, it's been 11 weeks since this repo had uploads https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/experimental
[02:06] <JanC> I think there is also a #xubuntu channel, raub
[02:06] <sarnold> why'd all those packages get installed today? did you enable this repo today?
[02:06] <sarnold> or did something keep them back until today?
[02:07] <metsatron> It looks like there was an xfce4-panel update today not related to ESM.
[02:08] <pragmaticenigma> raub: that's usually a firmware thing controlled in BIOS/UEFI
[02:08] <pragmaticenigma> or in the keyboards onboard chipset
[02:09] <metsatron> sarnold: to be honest I'm not sure what I was using that repo for at the moment.
[02:10] <metsatron> If I ppa-purge the repo will that roll back the changes?
[02:11] <sarnold> yeah, it should
[02:11] <sarnold> but I don't think it's prepared to handle packages that overlap with esm very well
[02:12] <metsatron> How do I ppa-purge esm?
[02:12] <sarnold> cannot ;(
[02:12] <sarnold> it only copes with ppas :(
[02:12] <JanC> sarnold: with that repo enabled the esm packages wouldn't be installed (older versions)
[02:12] <metsatron> It doesn't look like esm touched xfce-panel though. I was probably jumping to conclusions.
[02:13] <sarnold> JanC: I think some gross pinning tricks are in play
[02:13] <JanC> the ones for XFCE
[02:14] <JanC> probably want to re-enable ESM/Pro afterwards if the problem was with the XFCE backports PPA  :)
[02:15] <metsatron> https://pastebin.com/py993qdb
[02:15] <metsatron> JanC: yeah I was thinking the same!
[02:15] <metsatron> Do you think that should fix it, what I pasted?
[02:16] <sarnold> this bit here kinda worries me:  libxfce4windowing-0-0 libxfce4windowing-common
[02:16] <metsatron> OMG it worked!!!
[02:17] <JanC> sarnold: those don't exist in the versions in the main repositories
[02:17] <sarnold> yay
[02:17] <JanC> it's probably something new in newer XFCE versions...
[02:18] <sarnold> metsatron: nice nice; it's probably worth an apt update && apt upgrade   before a reboot
[02:18] <metsatron> sarnold: roger roger!
[02:19] <JanC> those packages only exist in noble in official Ubuntu repositories
[02:19] <sarnold> yay :) I spotted at least the second one on my archive mirror but didn't track down when it entered..
[02:19] <JanC> they are only needed for XFCE-on-Wayland, I think
[02:20] <xangua> xfce on wayland wow
[02:20] <metsatron> This makes me very nervous about Xubuntu 24.04!!!
[02:21] <JanC> well, hopefully they will test & fix things in the next couple months  ;)
[02:21] <JanC> or maybe it's only newer XFCE combined with older stuff in 22.04 that is the problem
[02:21] <raub> pragmaticenigma: I think those keys are just not talkign to the computer. i.e. xev shows nothing. So I guess the light control is being done at the keyboard level
[02:22] <raub> JanC: any reason you think I am using xubuntu?
[02:22] <metsatron> The thing is more about the unofficial plugins. I can't imagine not using an app menu and if they try and force more gtk3 and gtk4 CSD down my throat I'm probably going to have to switch to KDE or something...
[02:22] <JanC> raub: because you said you had an xfce question?
[02:23] <JanC> metsatron: maybe the unofficial plugins will be updated too?
[02:24] <raub> JanC: (1) install debian server (2) apt-get install xfce4
[02:24] <pragmaticenigma> oh dear
[02:24] <JanC> well, for Debian this is the wrong channel too...
[02:24] <sarnold> ah, in that case you'll probably have better luck in #debian on irc.oftc.net
[02:24] <JanC> or even #debian here maybe, or #xfce wherever they are
[02:24] <raub> JanC: right you are! I hit the wrong channel.
[02:25] <raub> I stand corrected
[02:25] <raub> Let me try #debian then
[02:27] <metsatron> I use XFCE because I want a traditional 90's style desktop. Different elements from the 90's desktop paradigm, whether it's the Mac's menu, CDE's dock, classic Gnome window manager and panels, classic file manager. It pains my heart that XFCE is being dragged into Gnome's design choices. If I wanted to use Gnome I would use Gnome.
[02:28] <xangua> pretty sure there's a setting to disable CSD, at least on XFCE apps
[02:28] <metsatron> Anyway, I feel the best course for me now is to install 24.04 LTE in a VM and make sure I can configure it to my needs first before deciding to upgrade.
[02:28] <JanC> you could try Mate also
[02:29] <pragmaticenigma> metsatron: what about LXQT?
[02:29] <JanC> that's also an option metsatron; with Pro/ESM you can even get security updates for 22.04 until 2032  :)
[02:30] <metsatron> I have for the most part disabled CSD, although I still get Gnome apps that render extra window controls. I don't know if it's going to be worse moving forwards since it appears XFCE is embracing the madness rather than finding ways to overcome it.
[02:31] <xangua> mate desktop forked some gnome apps too, you can use mate or just install the mate apps
[02:32] <metsatron> Mate is a good option. I just feel XFCE has been more configurable in the panel department. Sometimes I like to emulate the look and feel of BeOS, sometimes Macintosh, sometimes Windows 95, sometimes CDE or NeXTStep/WindowMaker. XFCE has given me the flexibility to mix and match all the best elements of 90's keyboard and mouse driven interface design without any of the nonsense responsive touch centric design compromiseso.
[02:32] <JanC> and/or some Cinnamon apps
[02:34] <metsatron> Do you know if there is a mate version of baobab (Gnome Disk Usage Analyser)?
[02:35] <pragmaticenigma> should be able to install baobab under mate like anything elsee
[02:35] <JanC> mate-disk-usage-analyzer is part of mate-utils
[02:36] <metsatron> Oh wow, so if I install mate-utils will I get a lot of overlap with the XFCE ones? Or should I just hand pick the ones that replace the offensive Gnome utils?
[02:39] <JanC> https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/amd64/mate-utils/filelist
[02:41] <metsatron> Thanks, I installed mate-utils but can't find the mate-disk-usage-analyzer installed on my system.
[02:42] <metsatron> Ah, I was able to launch it from terminal. It just didn't create a app menu item for some reason.
[02:43] <metsatron> This is cool. Thanks for the massive help today everyone! <3f
[02:44] <JanC> maybe the .desktop file says it's for Mate only?  it's easy to copy it into ~/.local/share/applications & change that part if so
[02:47] <metsatron> I can confirm the .desktop files are present.
[02:48] <metsatron> OnlyShowIn=MATE;
[02:49] <metsatron> Comment out that line?
[02:49] <sarnold> JanC: DANG you're good :)
[02:49] <JanC> copy the desktop file into ~/.local/share/applications and in that copy you delete that line
[02:51] <metsatron> sudo \cp ./mate-* ~/.local/share/applications/*
[02:51] <metsatron> Like this?
[02:51] <JanC> without sudo
[02:52] <sarnold> and just the files that you want to change, too
[02:52] <metsatron> Ah right *slaps forehead* that would set ownership to root and invalidate the whole point of copying it.
[02:53] <JanC> the copying is because otherwise it gets overwritten on the next package update
[02:54] <JanC> (although I guess MATE doesn't see much updates probably...)
[02:54] <JanC> even without frequent updates it's a good habit
[03:00] <metsatron> Yeah JanC thanks so much for the tip!
[03:00] <tanath> metsatron: cinnamon is a great alternative for '90s-style but more modern. i'd recommend it for most people
[03:01] <tanath> it's similar to gnome 2 & xfce
[03:03] <tanath> not sure what xfce is changing to be gnome-like which you don't like?
[03:05] <xangua> GTK/gnome is the one that forces it
[03:05] <xangua> I believe gtk 4 no longer supports menubar (?) Or is just my imagination?
[03:06] <pragmaticenigma> would have to know what you were looking at to know what you mean
[03:07] <brancher> mhh I think I lost my connection earlier or so
[03:07] <brancher> is there a repo where these scratch tars are available under version number ?? https://partner-images.canonical.com/oci/
[03:10] <sarnold> brancher: what exactly are you looking for?
[03:11] <brancher> sarnold ubuntu-20.04-oci-amd64-root.tar.gz instead of ubuntu-jammy-oci-amd64-root.tar.gz
[03:11] <brancher> 22.04
[03:12] <brancher> from source like that
[03:13] <brancher> in the past ISO's existed like that but  I think because of PPA repo's and such are named ones they changed it
[03:15] <metsatron> tanath: did mate and cinnamon both fork off Gnome 2?
[03:17] <tanath> yeah
[03:18] <tanath> but it's more like xfce, or configurable to be like i think you want
[03:19] <tanath> xangua: just saw gtk4 does support menubar: https://docs.gtk.org/gtk4/class.PopoverMenuBar.html
[03:19] <metsatron> That does sound very promising indeed.
[03:20] <tanath> it's a classic windows like setup. i don't think it comes with windowlist applet by default. uses the icon style, but you can add the applet
[03:21] <metsatron> I'll try it in a VM when 24.04 comes out and see how close I can get it to my ideal desktop.
[03:22] <sarnold> brancher: hrm, I thought I'd be able to find something with simplestreams but I'm just not finding any of these 'oci' images in the simplestreams data :(
[03:22] <metsatron> What's a good classic style alternative to mousepad and gedit? Seems like mousepad now forces CSD.
[03:23] <brancher> sarnold yeah it's "strange". Do they (still) exist in any version like that actually ? So no OCI or so ?
[03:24] <tanath> metsatron: xed
[03:24] <sarnold> brancher: i know next to nothing about the dozen different image formats :(
[03:24] <brancher> sarnold oh shame on you! :P
[03:24] <tanath> what's csd though?
[03:25] <sarnold> tanath: something like client-side decoration
[03:25] <sarnold> tanath: it means the window manager doesn't draw close and minimize and similar bottons on a window around an application, but the application has to draw those sorts of things itself
[03:28] <tanath> kind of defeats the purpose of a window manager, in part
[03:28] <tanath> that should be separate from the app in case the app freezes or misbehaves
[03:34] <metsatron> On Mousepad it means the Window title is drawn twice. Once by the CSD and once by the window manager which I force to ignore the CSD.
[03:34] <metsatron> My workaround was to create a theme that has the title the same colour as the background. but the vertical space is still wasted.
[03:35] <unjustice1> Just installed Ubuntu Studio 22.04, I don't see a mouse cursor anywhere
[03:35] <ubunto> Hello all
[03:36] <unjustice1> People seem to install gnome-tweaks, not sure if this works in KDE. Anyone familiar with this issue?
[03:36] <tanath> metsatron: yeah, xed doesn't do that: https://ibb.co/mz6wmGG
[03:36] <metsatron> https://imgur.com/a/7dXrBnC
[03:38] <tanath> oof. not a fan of that theme. is that what you meant by classic look?
[03:40] <metsatron> Yeah I made it myself. I'm going for a combination of CDE, Irix and WindowMaker aesthetics with the colour-scheme of the darker Adobe Photoshop UI.
[03:41] <tanath> i was talking more about layout and usability and familiarity. it's certainly themable and you could prolly make it look like that if you wanted
[03:43] <tanath> the more modern look and themes have useful features like a subtle dashed line when there's more to scroll in that direction, and a visual indicator when you hit the end
[03:44] <tanath> and not blinding you with too much white :D
[03:49] <unjustice1> Not finding a lot of traction googling this problem. Anyone familiar with invisible mouse cursor on fresh install?
[03:49] <unjustice1> It clicks, applications respond, you just cannot see where the mouse is
[03:51] <metsatron> tanath: well taste is a very subjective thing and nostalgia is one hell of a drug. Still, design needs to be appreciated in context. In the last screenshot all you saw was a window manager theme basically.
[03:51] <metsatron> tanath: here is a full desktop screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/txbP0TR
[03:52] <tanath> you should be able to get cinnamon very similar to that
[03:53] <sarnold> unjustice1: that reminds me a bit of busted hardware mouse, I haven't seen that in fifteen or twenty years..
[03:53] <tanath> unjustice1: sounds like you should change mouse cursor
[03:53] <tanath> maybe something happened to the image files for your current mouse cursor theme
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> i had a scrambled mouse pointer for years on an amd card once
[03:54] <tanath> metsatron: btw, i see you're using hexchat, but it was just abandoned
[03:54] <metsatron> I want to be able to enjoy the aesthetics of my scroll bars and not have them hide like their some kind of mobile app. On my phone it's a different paradigm and different story, I don't want to see any scroll bars ever! My desktop needs to show it's heritage, it's pedigree. To be proud of it's input methods. If we are talking VR or AR or mobile I would not want it to look classic or retro.
[03:55] <lotuspsychje> tanath: hexchat is not abandoned
[03:55] <tanath> yes it was
[03:55] <peacefulman> gah, the latest nvidia drive update messed up my video
[03:55] <tanath> https://hexchat.github.io/news/2.16.2.html
[03:55] <unjustice1> tanath: is there a package containing this? it doesn't change with theme change, or by increasing the cursor size
[03:55] <lotuspsychje> uh
[03:56] <tanath> and the repo is archived
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> my bad tanath
[03:56] <tanath> yeah, it's very new news
[03:56] <metsatron> tenath: thanks, I'll give cinnamon a go and see how close I can get ^__^
[03:57] <tanath> unjustice1: not sure what DE you're using, but it should have a theming app which lets you change mouse cursor
[03:58] <unjustice1> KDE: There are a bunch of them, but none of them display a mouse cursor
[03:58] <unjustice1> tanath: KDE, but no mouse cursors work
[03:58] <tanath> like in cinnamon https://ibb.co/S6srX7f
[03:58] <tanath> none of them? weird
[03:58] <tanath> maybe it's a compositor issue
[03:59] <tanath> have you tried logging out or rebooting?
[04:01] <unjustice1> yeah, gonna try this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1433429/mouse-cursor-is-invisible-in-latest-ubuntu-22-04
[04:02] <unjustice1> Oh right...I need a mouse to do that
[04:02] <unjustice1> neveremind
[07:44] <morgan-hp> hello 22.04 HP 450 probook g3 isnt getting full 1080p resolution. --- I looked it up and this may be the answer. ----  This says it answers it BUT I dont know if those listed are full commands or if I have to do something to enable them ??  hp probook 450 g3 screen resolution 1920 x 1080  driver for ubuntu
[07:47] <CosmicDJ> morgan-hp: you sure you have the one with the hd slim display? the other ones only support 1366x768
[07:49] <morgan-hp> I dont know those words so how do I check for sure. It is a 17:
[07:49] <morgan-hp> 17"
[07:49] <morgan-hp> would it say is lshw?
[07:49] <morgan-hp> in lshw
[07:52] <morgan-hp> CosmicDJ, ^^ and I did the first command, then the second balked on Virtuall = Then I saw the comment "xrandr --addmode Virtual1 1920x1080
[07:52] <morgan-hp> \nono let me et the comment from that webpage.
[07:53] <morgan-hp> 3
[07:53] <morgan-hp> Worth noting that you should identify your display first, using xrandr. Mine is VBOX0 instead of Virtual1. –
[07:53] <morgan-hp> Looks good so how to I "identivy my display"?
[07:55] <CosmicDJ> easiest would be to check your bill or order mails when you bought the laptop...
[09:12] <webchat46> Hello, everyone. Can someone please give me a hint re: renautils / qmv? Here's its man page: https://manpages.debian.org/testing/renameutils/qmv.1.en.html. I am trying to build a command that will 1) list contents in certain directory (e.g. "/home/USER/Desktop/Test/") AND 2) list all directories there recursively without the files. But qmv either
[09:12] <webchat46> lists only the current directory, or if it gives a recursive listing, but all the files are included in the list (`qmv -d  "/home/USER/Desktop/Test"` and `qmv -R  "/home/USER/Desktop/Test"` respectively. `qmv -d -R` just acts as a `qmv -d`). What am I doing wrong, and what would be the proper syntax for what I'm trying to do?
[09:39] <webchat46> does this room really have 1k+ people in it?
[09:39] <ComputerTech> clients, yes
[09:43] <daydrinking> How's everyone's weekend going? I'm trying to configure my dotfiles and back them up tonight
[09:59] <webchat46> daydrinking: I'm trying to figure out how to make renameutils / qmv work, but google gives very few matching results for what I'm looking for and being as useless as it's been in the last 5 years or so.
[10:00] <daydrinking> what are you trying to do?
[10:01] <daydrinking> (I've never used it, but I like man pages lol)
[10:03] <webchat46> yeah, it's a really useful tool. I'm trying to make it list only directories AND resursively. but it seems to be doing only one or the other.
[10:03] <webchat46> daydrinking: Here's its man page: https://manpages.debian.org/testing/renameutils/qmv.1.en.html
[10:03] <daydrinking> webchat46: I downloaded it as soon as you said the name, looking at man already
[10:04] <webchat46> if you have nemo, you can even make context menu items for quick renamings that you use often enough
[10:06] <daydrinking> It looks awesome; if you list both flags {-Rd} does it do -R or -d?
[10:06] <daydrinking> And it's stupid, but you are using -R not -r right?
[10:11] <webchat46> daydrinking: it's not stupid, it pays to check. I am using `-R`; and e.g. `qmv -Rd "/home/USER/Desktop/11/13"` only lists the top directory, instead of all the ones contained in ./13 recursively. Same with `qmv -R -d "/home/USER/Desktop/11/13"`. `{-Rd}` gives `ls: cannot access '{-Rd}'`.
[10:12] <daydrinking> I see what you mean. Yeah, it looks like it only does -d. I qmv -d {folder}. cd {folder}. Then qmv -R * That gets me as close as I think we can get...
[10:13] <daydrinking> Actually, wait! Try qmv -R -d ./{folder}/*
[10:14] <daydrinking> The * is the important part I think
[10:15] <webchat46> `XXX@XXX:~$ qmv -R -d "/home/USER/Desktop/11/13/*"`
[10:15] <webchat46> `ls: cannot access '/home/USER/Desktop/11/13/*': No such file or directory`
[10:15] <webchat46> `qmv: no files matched` ?
[10:15] <webchat46> Or did you mean something else?
[10:15] <daydrinking> try it from the folder above it
[10:16] <daydrinking> qmv -R -d /home/USER/Desktop/11/*
[10:16] <daydrinking> get rid of the quotes too
[10:17] <webchat46> `qmv -R -d ./13/*` lists files too
[10:18] <webchat46> I've just been thinking that I must be missing something obvious, because the tool is capable of doing both things -- it just does them separately, for some reason.
[10:19] <lilo_booter> what happens if you drop the *?
[10:19] <daydrinking> But it only lists files that are present in the folder "13" right? and not recursively
[10:20] <daydrinking> lilo_booter: It lists one line {folder} {folder}
[10:21] <webchat46> Yeah, doesn't show sub-dir folders even.
[10:24] <webchat46> This isn't useful, right? `       -o, --options=OPTIONS`
[10:24] <webchat46> `              Pass options to the selected edit format. OPTIONS is in the format`
[10:24] <webchat46> `              OPTION[=VALUE][,OPTION[=VALUE]...]`
[10:24] <webchat46> `              For a list of available options for each format, use --options=help or see below.`
[10:24] <webchat46> If not, I guess it just can't do folders-only, recursively. Thanks for helping out!
[10:27] <daydrinking> I think we would need a script... We somehow have to filter out the files, which is kinda supported
[10:27] <daydrinking> try it one last time with qmv -RXd {folder}/*
[10:27] <daydrinking> that should at least leave all the files at the bottom
[10:29] <daydrinking> nvm. It's not recursive
[10:33] <webchat46> The best workaround is probably a regex that bars matches that end up with file extension, though GPT's having trouble understanding what I'm asking it to do, lol. Thanks again, hope you'll find it useful.
[10:33] <daydrinking> But -RX looks like a starting point if you can filter out anything with an extension... I'm sure a simple vim script could do that
[10:34] <daydrinking> -d Is kinda pointless I think. It doesn't go further than the current directory.
[10:37] <webchat46> `-RX` seems to give me a list that's not sorted by dirs-first. as far as the sub-folder dirs are conserned, at least.
[10:40] <daydrinking> Yeah, I only have 1 or 2 levels deep, your use case is probably more in depth. I don't know the solution, but I think MC or another tool might be a better fit if this is a regular thing you have to do
[10:41] <drigy>  Hey guys, I am leaving for a trip in 2 hours and would like set up ssh to my home server. Anyone care to assist? Not having luck and I am under time pressure
[10:43] <drigy> It is accessable on LAN but not from outside. Port forwarding is set. I have IPv4 and v6 capability
[10:44] <CosmicDJ> drigy: ufw on?
[10:44] <drigy> Yes, rule added. Port 50080
[10:44] <drigy> 50080 (v6)                 ALLOW       Anywhere (v6)
[10:45] <CosmicDJ> drigy: script kiddies will start hammering your open port (no matter which port number) as soon as it's on the internet, I hope you have a secure config/long password and/or ssh keys set up
[10:45] <drigy> Ping doesn't find my server. nmap finds it with flags added
[10:46] <CosmicDJ> drigy: did you allow icmp echo in ufw, too?
[10:46] <daydrinking> Yeah, youre on IRC... but what happens when you try to connect, no response?
[10:47] <drigy> Nope CosmicDJ I will try that now
[10:47] <CosmicDJ> drigy: "nmap finds it with flags added" I have no idea what that means, sorry
[10:49] <webchat46> maybe `non-default nmap scan finds it`?
[10:50] <drigy> CosmicDJ it just means that nmap only finds it when I add -Pn option, sorry. I also don't know how to do icmp echo in ufw
[10:52] <drigy> working on it...
[10:53] <CosmicDJ> drigy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW "By default, UFW allows ping requests."
[10:57] <drigy> Hmm, yes, icmp is fine here. Weird
[10:59] <daydrinking> Port forwarding is using external port 50080 and local port 22? Or how is it set up? natpmpc I assume
[11:00] <CosmicDJ> daydrinking: you don't need that with IPv6 AFAIK
[11:01] <daydrinking> CosmicDJ: Didn't know that. Does IPv6 have the external/internal ports in the address?
[11:02] <daydrinking> I don't know anything about IPv6
[11:03] <daydrinking> I learned TCP/IP from a 4 inch book written in 2001 lol. A little outdated
[11:03] <drigy> daydrinking: internal, external on 50080, don't know about natpmpc
[11:03] <CosmicDJ> well do you have ipv6 connectivity where you're going?
[11:04] <drigy> So, both sides need IPv6 tech capabilites by ISP?
[11:04] <CosmicDJ> yes
[11:05] <drigy> Isn't that a shortcoming of the infrastructure? Anyway, not imaportant, need to leave soon +D
[11:05] <drigy> ipv6 has unique address for every device, right?
[11:05] <daydrinking> Any hints from "service ssh status" or "sudo ufw status"
[11:06] <drigy> daydrinking: unfortunately, they are both active and running
[11:07] <daydrinking> ssh status says "listening on {IP} port 50080"?
[11:09] <drigy> https://paste.centos.org/view/69526230
[11:11] <drigy> Okay, last chache to go pack. I will ping you from other nick later if you have gotten any other ideas on what to check.
[11:11] <daydrinking> Ok, so those are all local connections. can you look at your /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[11:12] <drigy> I am able to connect localy yes, not externaly
[11:12] <daydrinking> Ok good luck!
[11:13] <daydrinking> Hey script kiddies - his IP is 192.168.1.1 - try to hack him!
[11:14] <itu> hi
[11:15] <webchat46> But, onee-chan, I heard hacking is illegal!
[11:16] <itu> how to delete things in bash history and get it into effect _for all terminal(tabs) _without_ having to re-open them?
[11:17] <daydrinking> itu: You mean so when you press ^ button it doesn't list it in the history?
[11:17] <itu> yes
[11:18] <daydrinking> I use zsh, but I assume it's similar. Do you have a .bash_history file?
[11:19] <itu> of course
[11:19] <webchat46> Bye, all. Have a good day.
[11:20] <daydrinking> You want a specific item removed? Or do you want a certain command to never be saved? (like I ignore all duplicate commands)
[11:20] <itu> and i know fixing in .bash_history  will not take it into effect
[11:20] <itu> removed garbage
[11:21] <daydrinking> put this in your ~/.bashrc "export HISTCONTROL=ignoreboth:erasedups"
[11:23] <itu> erasedups will not address my problem and ignoreboth is still in  $HISTCONTROL ...
[11:24] <daydrinking> What are you trying to remove?
[11:24] <itu> garbage ...
[11:25] <daydrinking> can you try deleting it from the file, then "source ~/.bashrc"
[11:25] <tanath> itu: looks like you want the fc command. check man page
[11:25] <itu> somehow there is a multiline entry in history which is very disturbing
[11:25] <tanath> er, sorry, that's for zsh. wouldn't help with bash
[11:26] <itu> do not find a paket fc ..
[11:26] <daydrinking> tanath: that taught me something... thanks
[11:28] <tanath> daydrinking: 👍 found it search man zshall
[11:28] <tanath> *searching
[11:32] <tanath> but imo, you keep bash for compatibility, but for actual interactive use, you use zsh
[11:33] <tanath> chsh -s `which zsh`
[11:35] <itu> history -c ; history -r  # does the job
[11:35] <itu> but i have to do it in every terminal ..
[11:36] <daydrinking> good to know.
[11:36] <itu> i wished to have that even smarter
[11:37] <daydrinking> tanath: yeah, I use bash for my scripts and zsh for daily usage, cause oh-my-zsh
[11:38] <tanath> omz is a bit much for me and does things i don't want. i keep it fairly simple and just use zplug for a handful of plugins
[11:41] <itu> alias reload_bash_historsy='history -c ; history -r'  # maybe the best solution for now
[11:41] <daydrinking> Yeah, I use all of 3 things from it. But when I built my zshrc from scratch a couple of years ago, it took way more time and still didn't do things quite as well. But if I have the time, it's definitely worth it to do it from scratch
[11:42] <daydrinking> itu: you should save that command in your bash history lol
[11:43] <itu> alias reload_bash_history='history -c ; history -r'  # typo corrected
[12:23] <ser> apt update
[12:26] <daydrinking> apt upgrade
[12:31] <brancher> daydrinking I still use apt-get these days :P
[12:33] <daydrinking> (I do too, but ser uses "upt update" so I can't use apt-get)
[12:52] <brancher> ah indeed
[13:20] <unjustice1> Anyone have a fix for an invisible mouse cursor on a fresh install of Ubuntu Studio 22.04?
[13:20] <unjustice1> I suspect xorg issues based on my web searches
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> unjustice1: do you have an amd/ati card?
[13:22] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: yes
[13:26] <lotuspsychje> unjustice1: is it real invisible or disformed?
[13:27] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje:it is completely gone. It can click and drag and seems functional, just can't see it. When I change the style and increase the size of the cursor it is still not visible.
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> unjustice1: did you try testing xorg vs wayland?
[13:29] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: No, sorry I am not sure what wayland is
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> unjustice1: logout back to gdm and choose wayland or xorg from there
[13:31] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje:How do you select this from login without a mouse, or should I drop to shell?
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> unjustice1: i assume your mouse can still click item, even if invisible, to try to catch right upper corner to logout
[13:32] <daydrinking> TAB and Shift+TAB
[13:32] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: Also, it's kdm
[13:35] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: I already logged out, just don't see any option with mouse or tab to click anything. I only have "sleep", "virtual keyboard", "shutdown", and "restart"
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> unjustice1: when you enter your username, there should be a gear icon to choose your ubuntu desktop
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> at least if studio has that, but i assume yes
[13:37] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje:Not that I see
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> unjustice1: something like this; https://i.stack.imgur.com/Ab6m7.png
[13:41] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: Yeah, it's not there. I tried updating and restarting. Let's see if it pops up.
[13:42] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje:nope
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> unjustice1: lets try something else, maybe try getting in your system via recoverymode
[13:42] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: alright
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> unjustice1: enter grub, pick ubuntu(recovery) and try a failsafeX graphics session
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> and lets hope that could bring back your pointer
[13:43] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: alright, I am up in recovery mode
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> unjustice1: enable networking and pick a rootshell from there
[13:50] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: okay
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> unjustice1: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade , to see if your system is up to date
[13:52] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: 0 new packages
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> ok good
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> unjustice1: sudo dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> unjustice1: and return us the link you get please
[13:55] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: termbin.com/vpxx
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> unjustice1: reading
[13:56] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: me too : )
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> unjustice1: i notice you got a system76 device there
[13:59] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: yes, my hand build from 2007 finally died two weeks ago. I figured I'd use the extra money to support a company pro OSS. Not sure if I regret the decision yet, lol. There have been a lot of issues
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> unjustice1: did you compare your system with a PopOs! install?
[14:01] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: they offer either Pop or Ubuntu, I asked for Ubuntu but it crashed within a day. It is supposed to be an audiovisual workstation, so I opted for Ubuntu Studio on the reinstall because it saves me a lot of package hunting and configuration
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> unjustice1: ok no worrys, lets try booting a previous kernel as a test now
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> unjustice1: reboot, enter grub, pick a previous kernel to boot
[14:02] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: regular or recovery?
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> regular and something lower then 6.5
[14:03] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: 6.2 it is
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> ok perfect
[14:03] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: AHA! a GIANT cursor, guess it saved my previous selections
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> unjustice1: great, so we proved your issue is a kernel thing
[14:05] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: Indeed, I suppose I just need to select 6.2 each boot
[14:05] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: thanks for the help
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> unjustice1: well no, its not really safe to daily use previous kernels
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> unjustice1: this was just a test to prove
[14:06] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: I had a feeling you'd say that
[14:07] <ravage> did not follow the whole thing? is this 22.04 on 6.2 now?
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> unjustice1: what i would do, is file a bug against kernel 6.5
[14:07] <ravage> oh 6.5 ok
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> ravage: he's on studio/kernel 6.5
[14:07] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: where do you suggest?
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> !bug | unjustice1
[14:07] <unjustice1> ubottu: thanks bot
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> its gonna be hard from your 6.5 without mouse pointer, so maybe try from 6.2
[14:09] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: yeah, definitely
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> unjustice1: so once your bug is created, you can attach your 6.5 dmesg to it
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> or any other logs the devs will ask you
[14:11] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: would you call this a installation, display, or other problem?
[14:11] <lotuspsychje> unjustice1: not sure, something in a kernel commit needing fix
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> thats gonna be to the devs to seek on your bug ID
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> or here with other volunteers
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> let us know after you created your bug unjustice1
[14:13] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: ubuntu-bug <package> needs a package, but I am not sure what to associate with it
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> unjustice1: the package is 'linux' (the kernel)
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> unjustice1: but currently there's another bug preventing filing bugs against the kernel, its possible you might need to file it manualy from launchpad
[14:19] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: submitted
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> unjustice1: thank you for making ubuntu better and file your bug!
[14:19] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje:thank you for the help
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> unjustice1: whats the bug ID please?
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> welcome
[14:20] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: 2052856
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> bug #2052856
[14:20] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 2052856 in linux-signed-lowlatency-hwe-6.2 (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Studio 22.04 Kernel 6.5-Invisible Mouse Cursor" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2052856
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> looking good unjustice1
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> now try to log your dmesg into a txt from kernel 6.5 and attach to your bug
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> unjustice1: or maybe try an apport-collect 2052856 (from a recoverymode rootshell with networking on) maybe that could work too
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> or boot 6.5 and apport-collect 205285 from a terminal
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> apport-collect 2052856 sorry
[14:26] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: waiting to hear from Launchpad about your decision...
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> is that from rootshell?
[14:27] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: yes
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> yeah that might not work then
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> you might need to be on the 6.5 desktop
[14:27] <unjustice1> ah
[14:29] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: cursor is back...weird
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> unjustice1: are you on 6.5 or 6.2?
[14:29] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: 6.5 I thought
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> uname -a to make sure
[14:30] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: 6.5
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[14:30] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: weird
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> unjustice1: well at least you got a bug ID in case it comes back :p
[14:33] <unjustice1> lotuspsychje: true
[14:43] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:47] <ohmysecurity> you figure realtek this out
[14:51] <hwpplayer1> hi there
[14:53] <hwpplayer1> I have an Acer Aspire-A315-24P laptop, my microphone not detected, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYkzX1lyTNk I tried this video then deleted the related configuration and now I can only hear sound from the right headphone.
[14:53] <hwpplayer1> https://forum.ubuntu-tr.net/index.php?topic=63928.msg661446#msg661446 here is my output
[14:56] <jeremy31> hwpplayer1: Is the left side muted, check in terminal>  alsamixer
[14:56] <hwpplayer1> I will run alsamixer then what should I type there ?
[14:57] <hwpplayer1> how to understand left side is muted or not ?
[14:58] <jeremy31> hwpplayer1: It should show volume levels for each channel
[14:59] <hwpplayer1> Should I send a screenshot to you ?
[14:59] <hwpplayer1> jeremy31: ^
[14:59] <jeremy31> hwpplayer1: you will have to use imgur or another image site and then post URL
[15:00] <jeremy31> hwpplayer1: Were you janez?
[15:00] <hwpplayer1> janez ?
[15:01] <jeremy31> hwpplayer1: On another IRC server I just saw an almost identical question
[15:02] <hwpplayer1> No I am Mert
[15:02] <hwpplayer1> https://0x0.st/HdaD.png here is the alsamixer
[15:06] <jeremy31> hwpplayer1: URL from terminal for>  cat /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf|nc termbin.com 9999
[15:06] <hwpplayer1> okay
[15:07] <hwpplayer1> https://termbin.com/kgtq
[15:07] <hwpplayer1> here it is jeremy31
[15:09] <jeremy31> hwpplayer1: Have you tried logging in as another user?
[15:10] <hwpplayer1> I have only one user
[15:10] <hwpplayer1> jeremy31: &
[15:10] <hwpplayer1> jeremy31: ^
[15:10] <jeremy31> hwpplayer1: I would create a new user to see if something in ./config/pulse got corrupted
[15:13] <hwpplayer1> how can I create a new user ? with useradd and then add a password ?
[15:13] <jeremy31> hwpplayer1: URL for>  sudo dmesg| grep -i firmware|nc termbin.com 9999
[15:13] <hwpplayer1> okay
[15:14] <hwpplayer1> https://termbin.com/4a3q
[15:14] <hwpplayer1> here https://termbin.com/4a3q jeremy31
[15:18] <jeremy31> hwpplayer1: I would try creating a new user
[15:20] <hwpplayer1> Okay jeremy31
[15:20] <hwpplayer1> I will create another user asap jeremy31
[15:21] <hwpplayer1> brb
[15:21] <jeremy31> hwpplayer1: once a new user is created, log out and log in as the new user and see if sound works properly.  A new user can be created in Settings/Users
[15:21] <hwpplayer1> yes
[15:21] <hwpplayer1> Okay via Settings
[15:29] <hwpplayer1> jeremy31: I tested with another user, I can hear left and right voice
[15:29] <hwpplayer1> But I can't send my voice via microphone
[15:36] <jeremy31> hwpplayer1: Can you go into Sound Settings and change input device?
[15:37] <hwpplayer1> I am on hwpplayer1(old account) I deleted the new account which one should I search for ? For the new account or hwpplayer1 old one
[15:38] <hwpplayer1> okay now I can hear right and left
[15:39] <hwpplayer1> I configured it as balanced center
[15:39] <hwpplayer1> But I can't send my voice
[15:40] <hwpplayer1> I only can see rear microphone jeremy31
[15:42] <jeremy31> hwpplayer1: I would try adding the options snd-hda-intel model=dell-headset-multi
[15:42] <hwpplayer1> I added it
[15:42] <hwpplayer1> Then I was able to see headset
[15:42] <jeremy31> log out and back in again
[15:42] <hwpplayer1> like in the video
[15:42] <hwpplayer1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYkzX1lyTNk I did this
[15:42] <jeremy31> yes
[15:43] <hwpplayer1> But when I do this I can't hear the audio if I select headset
[15:43] <hwpplayer1> Should I try it again ?
[15:43] <hwpplayer1> By the way is it ,dell or just =dell
[15:43] <hwpplayer1> =,dell or just =dell ?
[15:44] <hwpplayer1> jeremy31: ^
[15:44] <jeremy31> hwpplayer1: Everything I saw showed model=dell-headset-multi
[15:44] <hwpplayer1> In the video it is different Afaik
[15:44] <hwpplayer1> options snd-hda-intel model=,dell-headset-multi
[15:45] <hwpplayer1> which one ?
[15:46] <jeremy31> hwpplayer1: try this> sudo modprobe -r snd_hda_intel && sleep 5 && sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel model=dell-headset-multi
[15:46] <hwpplayer1> what is that  sudo modprobe -r snd_hda_intel && sleep 5 && sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel model=dell-headset-multi
[15:47] <jeremy31> hwpplayer1: Run that in terminal, it is similar to adding the line in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf
[15:48] <hwpplayer1> modprobe: FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel is in use.
[15:54] <jeremy31> hwpplayer1: if snd_hda_intel model=dell-headset-multi was added, log out and back in
[15:54] <hwpplayer1> no not added
[15:54] <hwpplayer1> Should I add it ?
[15:55] <hwpplayer1> snd_hda_intel model=dell-headset-multi ?
[15:55] <hwpplayer1> jeremy31: ^
[15:55] <jeremy31> Yes, that way, hwpplayer1
[15:55] <hwpplayer1> okay
[15:55] <hwpplayer1> brb
[15:58] <hwpplayer1> jeremy31: It did not detect headset like in the video
[15:58] <hwpplayer1> But I can hear left and right voice from the headphone
[15:59] <hwpplayer1> brb
[16:01] <hwpplayer1> I'm back
[16:01] <jeremy31> hwpplayer1: what about headset mic?
[16:01] <hwpplayer1> I deleted the config line
[16:01] <hwpplayer1> I couldn't see it like in the video
[16:02] <jeremy31> I am out of ideas
[16:02] <hwpplayer1> Thanks
[16:35] <antonispgs> hey guys, suddently my ubuntu thinks i am in chicago timezone, if i turn off location services and/or automatic timezone and set to my real one manually, then once i re-enable location services and/or automatic time it reverts to CST?
[16:35] <leftyfb> antonispgs: are you using a VPN?
[16:36] <antonispgs> no i am not
[16:36] <leftyfb> antonispgs: ok, contact your ISP and the problem is with the geolocation of the ip they gave you
[16:37] <antonispgs> IP shows my country in whatismyipaddress.com without issues
[16:38] <leftyfb> country?
[16:38] <antonispgs> Greece
[16:43] <antonispgs> all my other computers and servers are fine apparently
[16:43] <dimon> yandex
[16:43] <leftyfb> dimon: can we help you with something?
[16:45] <leftyfb> antonispgs: it should all be based on geolocation of your ip
[18:56] <cart_man> Hey everyone. I have Ubuntu installed on my SBC. I am trying to figure out how to force the screen to switch off via bash?
[19:01] <bprompt> cart_man: I was wondering if #bash may know better
[19:02] <cart_man> bprompt: Definitely worth a try^^
[19:04] <leftyfb> cart_man: https://askubuntu.com/a/116806  tried those?
[19:16] <cart_man> leftyfb: Yes the first command for OFF gives me -> server does not have extension for dpms option
[19:21] <cart_man> leftyfb: so this seems to work -> xrandr --output CRT1 --off
[19:22] <cart_man> although now it does not seem to switch on when I ask it to by moving the moues or the keyboard etc
[19:22] <cart_man> leftyfb: I made xrandr --output CRT1 --off; sleep 5; xrandr --output CRT1 --on;   BUT that does not seem to have brought it back
[20:35] <effortDee> cant get my bluetooth mouse to connect
[20:42] <jeremy31> effortDee: can you post URL from terminal for>  (lsusb; sudo dmesg|egrgep -i 'blue|firm')|nc termbin.com 9999
[20:43] <effortDee> how would i do that?
[20:44] <jeremy31> effortDee: open terminal, ctrl+t, copy the command from ( to 9999.  Highlighting it in hexchat will copy, then right click in terminal and choose paste
[20:45] <effortDee> termbin.com/ldkoi
[20:45] <effortDee> its a hauwei bluetooth mouse
[20:45] <effortDee> been intermittent for a few days but everything else is working
[20:46] <effortDee> now it wont even see it in bluetooth manager
[20:46] <jeremy31> effortDee: Have you tried new batteries?
[20:46] <effortDee> yeh battery is full in it
[20:46] <jeremy31> effortDee: in terminal>  bluetoothctl
[20:47] <jeremy31> effortDee: then>  power on
[20:47] <jeremy31> effortDee: > scan on
[20:47] <jeremy31> It might find the mouse
[20:47] <effortDee> it sees the same thing bluetooth manager does
[20:48] <effortDee> i unpaired it about 30 mins ago because it wasnt staying conencted to re-pair it but since its vanished
[20:48] <jeremy31> effortDee: Using wifi at the time?
[20:48] <effortDee> i am using wifi yes
[20:49] <jeremy31> Using wifi can interfer with bluetooth but it shouldn't prevent the device from being found.  Put the mouse in pairing mode and see if something new shows in terminal
[20:53] <effortDee> how to put mouse in pairing mode?
[20:53] <effortDee> i see
[20:53] <jeremy31> effortDee: It depends on the mouse
[20:59] <effortDee> i just did
[20:59] <effortDee> sudo service bluetooth restart
[20:59] <effortDee> re-enabled bluetooth
[20:59] <effortDee> i now found my mouse
[20:59] <effortDee> but wont connect
[20:59] <effortDee> getting there
[21:15] <effortDee> got it working
[21:15] <effortDee> dot know how
[21:41] <howudodat> does anyone know where Gnome Text Editor keeps it's temp files (copies of unsaved files)?
[21:44] <brancher> howudodat somewhere in /home/username/.whatever
[21:53] <JanC> how can it save unsaved files?  ;)
[22:10] <howudodat> ok, a little find, a little grep, a fairly unique word from one document and a little luck revealed: ~/.local/share/org.gnome.TextEditor/drafts
[22:20] <JanC> huh, that seems like a weird location for something like that to me?
[22:56] <ArchDave> https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/gnome-text-editor-auto-save.html
[22:57] <ArchDave> It looks complicated.
[22:57] <ArchDave> automatic settings versus changed settings versus already saved once documents
[22:59] <ArchDave> AND also that webpage is dated 2022-05-04
[23:42] <JanC> ArchDave: ugh, so not only it's saving them in what I think is the wrong place, it's doing so even if you disable it, and then never deleting them?
[23:52] <ArchDave> I read that page and still feel it's a mystery
[23:56] <JanC> I think the right place for such files would be under ~/.local/state/ instead of ~/.local/share/ according to https://specifications.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html