[02:56] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[13:01] <ogra_> oerheks, leftyfb it is (will be, it is not even in alpha state) far beyond a pro tool, it will aggregate *all* security settings including port-blocker settings, snap permissions and any other hardening options, pro will just be a very small part of it
[14:21] <oerheks> :-)
[15:32] <leftyfb> ogra_: To be fair, I'm also upset with stgraber for already states reasons. I'm sure a lot of the community is.
[15:37] <leftyfb> ogra_: got a link to this post?
[15:38] <ogra_> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/nils-buchner-membership-application/42376/9
[15:39] <leftyfb> lol
[15:40] <leftyfb> savage is literally implementing the OSS and hacker ethos towards stgraber's gatekeeping and community-hostile actions 
[15:40] <ravage> testing 🙂
[15:41] <leftyfb> yup
[15:41] <ogra_> meep !
[15:41] <ravage> yay
[15:41] <leftyfb> ravage: good on you ravage 
[15:42] <ravage> he will me even more mad when he finds out the latest/edge snap of lxd has most of what i did in it already 🙂
[15:42] <leftyfb> stgraber's post speaks like PR from google or microsoft
[15:43] <ogra_> yeah, he kind of turned 180 degree from how i know him 
[15:43] <leftyfb> if you ask me, you should get ubuntu membership BECAUSE of your latest actions 
[15:43] <ogra_> haha, yeah
[15:43] <ravage> 😄
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> cant wait till the channels get merged with matrix
[15:50] <ravage> soon ™️
[15:50] <lotuspsychje> : )
[15:50] <leftyfb> I can wait
[15:50] <ravage> btw let me invite you here lotuspsychje 
[15:50] <ravage> (on the matrix side i mean)
[15:50] <leftyfb> lotuspsychje is already here
[15:51] <leftyfb> :P
[15:51] <lotuspsychje[m]> hi hi
[15:51]  * leftyfb shakes his head is disappointment 
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> lolz
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> i like the backlog reading on element leftyfb 
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> and the tons of more serious issues we will see increase
[15:52] <mandem0110> lol
[15:52] <mandem0110> :D
[15:52] <leftyfb> I have plenty of backlog using ircloud connected to my bouncer :P 
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> do you bounce from mobile too?
[15:52] <leftyfb> yep
[15:52] <ravage> i did that with znc on my mobile too. all worked fine
[15:53] <lotuspsychje> cool what app do you use on there
[15:53] <leftyfb> irccloud is for mobile
[15:53] <leftyfb> irccloud connects to my znc
[15:53] <lotuspsychje> lovely
[15:53] <ravage> i just used revolution irc for android. znc has log playback for individual devices
[15:53] <leftyfb> and on my laptop(Framework 13) I connect to my znc using hexchat
[15:54]  * ogra_ uses bip ... in a snap ... 
[15:54] <lotuspsychje> the #kde guys have nicely brought the 2 worlds togheter, so looking forward to see the same on the ubuntu community
[15:54] <ravage> happy to report i use element... in a snap 😄
[15:54] <lotuspsychje> because why not
[15:55] <ravage> also my kernel is a snap since yesterday's install of noble on my laptop
[15:55] <ogra_> because it means yet another client i have to run alongside ... 
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> is that the snap only ubuntu version you testing ravage ?
[15:55] <ravage> no 
[15:55] <ogra_> (there are enough IRC channels i'm in that are not bridged that i need to follow upstreams)
[15:56] <ravage> on desktop it uses the kernel snap for the regular desktop if you use FDE with a TPM chip
[15:56] <lotuspsychje> but i see a lot of dev activity on mobile/element channels
[15:56] <lotuspsychje> so we see an increase of mobile work
[15:56] <ogra_> desktop uses the snap kernel nowadays (as ravage said, for FDE/TPM setups)
[15:56] <leftyfb> it drives me nuts someone posting multiple lines on matrix and IRC clients getting a URL to go to in order to read their post. I will not be clicking on those links
[15:56] <ogra_> (and hopefully for everything else in the future)
[15:57] <ogra_> leftyfb, if you would, you'd find a screenshot png with the sentence you can not copy/paste from 🙂
[15:57] <leftyfb> even worse
[15:58] <leftyfb> I'll have no part of that
[15:58] <ogra_> (i dont really mind the links, but the fact they are screenshots ... )
[15:58] <leftyfb> it's unproductive 
[15:58] <ogra_> it so is
[15:58] <ravage> but that is really not Matrix's fault
[15:59] <lotuspsychje[m]> test https://linuxconfig.org/
[15:59] <ravage> i see more than enough IRC users sending screenshots of terminal output. its just bad in general 🙂
[16:00] <ogra_> yep ... sadly also a thing on forums nowadays ... hard to quote (or even read if the screenshots are really small)
[16:09] <ravage> and thanks ogra and leftyfb for the comments 🙂
[16:09] <ogra_> well deserved 🙂
[16:10] <mandem0110> What did I miss?
[16:11] <leftyfb> ogra_: "There are only few people I know on IRC that are that patient and friendly when trying to cat-herd the trolls."  damn, don't think I don't notice the personal attack lol
[16:12] <ravage> i can post the link but i would appreciate not to continue that discussion unless he decides to continue 🙂
[16:12] <ogra_> LOL !!!
[16:12] <leftyfb> :)
[16:12] <ravage> HAHA
[16:12] <ravage> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/nils-buchner-membership-application/42376
[16:12] <ogra_> yeah, the discussion would be worthwile ... just not where he started it ... 
[16:13] <ogra_> (i'd really love to corner him with facts *g* ... /me resists the itch)
[16:13] <ravage> do it on his thread about it on discourse
[16:14] <ravage> i had it open yesterday. let me find it
[16:15] <leftyfb> https://discuss.linuxcontainers.org/t/important-notice-for-lxd-users-image-server/18479
[16:15] <leftyfb> that one?
[16:15] <ravage> yep
[22:39] <ravage> Wow. This guy really needs help. And his comments make even less sense now with the precious ones removed :D
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