[08:12] <juergh> bastiaan, why are you running completely unsupported kernels and not an official one?
[08:22] <klebers> nibbon_, it's linux-headers-generic-hwe-YY.MM. If you install the hwe kernel via linux-generic-hwe-YY.MM you'll always get the updated headers as well
[08:26] <nibbon_> klebers: I haven't seen linux-headers-generic-hwe-YY.MM as dependency of linux-generic-hwe-YY.MM; besides, I installed the latter but it didn't pull the headers
[08:27] <klebers> nibbon_, what's the exact package name and version you have installed?
[08:27] <nibbon_> ii  linux-image-generic-hwe-22.04         6.5.0.21.21~22.04.11                    amd64        Generic Linux kernel image
[08:28] <nibbon_> ah, you said linux-generic-hwe-YY.MM though
[08:29] <klebers> right, the 'image' meta package will only pull the required packages to boot, like the image, extra modules and firmware
[08:30] <klebers> the 'linux-generic*' will install the headers as well
[08:31] <nibbon_> okay
[08:32] <nibbon_> is there a meta package for non hwe image and headers?
[08:36] <klebers> for non-hwe is the 'linux-generic', which installs 'linux-image-generic' and 'linux-headers-generic'
[08:40] <nibbon_> klebers: gotcha, thanks!
[08:41] <klebers> yw!
[10:35] <bastiaan> juergh: because the official ones where less stable than the 6.1 mainline kernel (when I tried somewhere mid 2023)
[10:35] <bastiaan> juergh: tbh, I don't understand why I get a 6.2 hwe kernel by Ubuntu which is long EOL upstream
[10:39] <bastiaan> and I don't expect support on the ubuntu mainline kernels, but I expect they are not build for nothing, so if I find an issue while running them, it could be useful to share :)
[10:47] <bastiaan> I see 6.5 hwe is available now. I will try that one soon :)
[15:28] <bastiaan> so.. I have 6.6.17 mainline running in kubuntu 22.04 in libvirt/qemu/kvm .. lets see when it crashes :)
[20:17] <arraybolt3> OK, this is breaking my brain. Why do we have both linux-headers-6.2.0-35-generic and linux-hwe-6.2-headers-6.2.0-35?
[20:18] <arraybolt3> I'm working on a thing that has to find and uninstall certain kernel packages and I thought that there were only five packages that went to each kernel - linux-image, linux-headers, linux-modules, (optionally) linux-modules-extra, and (optionally) linux-tools. This addition confuses me somewhat.
[20:30] <juergh> arraybolt3, linux-headers-6.2.0-35-generic is/was the mantic kernel headers and linux-hwe-6.2-headers-6.2.0-35 is the hwe kernel headers for jammy. same kernel but different series.
[20:31] <juergh> and there's a lot more than just 5 packages: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux
[21:32] <arraybolt3> juergh: Good to know, thank you!