[15:58] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I would find this interesting: https://github.com/brummer10/guitarix.vst
[15:59] <OvenWerks> This is different from the group of lv2 plugins in that it is like taking the standalone guitarix and making the whole thing one plugin.
[16:00] <OvenWerks> It is also different from the lv2 plugins in that it uses JUICE for the GUI.
[16:01] <OvenWerks> I have found that using guitarix plugins on two Ardour channels/tracks at the same time crashes Ardour... even using all ubuntu packages.
[16:02] <OvenWerks> I suspect this is because of the GUI which is based on gtk.
[16:04] <OvenWerks> SO I suspect the vst3 plugin may behave much better. I hope the GUI change travels through the rest of plugins.
[16:05] <OvenWerks> Hmm, I guess I should ask if JUICE is even allowed in the debian/ubuntu ecosystem in the first place.
[16:07] <OvenWerks> In theory, the vst3 plugin should be able to run even on a system it is not compiled on so long as the cpu it is compiled for matches.
[16:08] <OvenWerks> I have not tried putting guitarix inside a Carla vst/lv2 instance and using two of those in Ardour.
[16:10] <OvenWerks> It is unfortunate that this just arrived last week. I don't know if there is time to include it in 24.04 anyway.
[16:12] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: We're past feature freeze, so no. :(
[16:27] <OvenWerks> SHould anyone ask for it. There is a prebuilt zip on their web site
[16:27] <OvenWerks> It seems to work at least on 23.10
[16:28] <OvenWerks> Just extract into ~/.vst3/ and go.
[16:29] <OvenWerks> So far I can drop it into two tracks without crashing.
[16:35] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: github used to display licence on the main page. it doesn't seem to do that anymore
[16:42] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: License on the github main page or of the project in question?
[16:48] <OvenWerks> project main page
[16:49] <OvenWerks> It may be that guitarix has the licenses file in an odd place\
[16:49] <OvenWerks> it pulls in a lot of code from the main guitarix repo
[16:55] <OvenWerks> It is just guitarix because the copying file is not in the top directory
[17:12] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: the default chat app Quassel, does not seem to have matrix set up.
[17:12] <OvenWerks> Is there something new for 24.04?
[17:12] <Eickmeyer> Quassel is just an IRC client? I'm confused.
[17:13] <OvenWerks> Im not finding how to add matrix.... it may be possible but not obvious
[17:14] <OvenWerks> settings has interface and irc and nothing else
[17:15] <Eickmeyer> Oh, I haven't added anything official on the website yet. It's in the Ubuntu Studio Information > Ubuntu Studio Support Chat, takes you to a website and you can pick your client, but Ubuntu prefers Element.
[17:15] <Eickmeyer> Also, check the topic line here.
[17:15] <Eickmeyer> Simply clicking that does essentially the same thing but takes you to our new dev chat.
[17:16] <OvenWerks> Yeah the topic line shows a web site but I would prefer a client
[17:16] <Eickmeyer> Well, there's two options if you want Element: from element.io or `sudo snap install element-desktop`.
[17:16] <Eickmeyer> The website in the link guides you through that too.
[17:17] <Eickmeyer> I'd recommend Element as it's most feature-complete.
[17:23] <OvenWerks> ok, I will look around.
[17:23] <Eickmeyer> You will, however, need to set-up an account initially.
[17:30] <OvenWerks> Yeah, the link in subject doesn't get you there. it just gives a list of apps. 
[17:30] <OvenWerks> Once you choose one you seem locked with it.
[17:32] <Eickmeyer> Nah, where it says "Continue with ____" there's a "Change" button.
[17:32] <Eickmeyer> Some apps are missing encryption and other features, sadly.
[17:33] <Eickmeyer> Top two are Element and Nheko, IMO.
[17:40] <OvenWerks> They are stupid picky about passwords
[17:43] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. There have been some bad actors, so they're trying to weed that out.