| BluesKaj | Hi all | 13:08 |
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| arraybolt3 | Just fyi, I'm getting the "Element tray icon not appearing in system tray" issue here too. Using Wayland on 24.04. | 16:18 |
| arraybolt3 | (Kubuntu, obviously) | 16:18 |
| Eickmeyer | arraybolt3: FYI, I get it whether Wayland or X11. | 16:45 |
| Eickmeyer | And not limited to Element. | 16:46 |
| Eickmeyer | Nextcloud Desktop, Telegram... really any Electron application that has a systray icon. | 16:46 |
| IrcsomeBot | <sgmoore> I think it has to do with appindicator. Was researching when life happened. I was also working on our lack of emojis. | 16:49 |
| Eickmeyer | @sgmoore I was noticing that too. Life comes first, take your time. :) | 16:51 |
| arraybolt3 | Eickmeyer: https://termbin.com/towr Still sure you aren't ready to blame AppArmor? | 17:17 |
| arraybolt3 | Perhaps snapd is at fault but that looks like the issue to me. | 17:17 |
| arraybolt3 | Eickmeyer: I assume all of those apps are installed as Snaps? Or are some of them installed other ways? | 17:18 |
| Eickmeyer | arraybolt3: I never said I wasn't ready to blame Apparmor. I just said I wasn't quite sure. | 17:18 |
| arraybolt3 | I know :P was just pointing out something I found | 17:18 |
| Eickmeyer | In the past, snaps haven't been a problem but all the sudden they are, and yes, in my case they're snaps. | 17:19 |
| * arraybolt3 goes and installs some Electron app that has a systray via apt | 17:19 | |
| * Eickmeyer might be afk a lot in the next few hours so expect sporadic responses | 17:20 | |
| arraybolt3 | so yeah the non-Snap makes an icon just fine. | 17:24 |
| arraybolt3 | (installed Element from the apt package) | 17:24 |
| * arraybolt3 shuffles off to file a snapd bug | 17:24 | |
| Eickmeyer | It's not a problem on Edubuntu or Ubuntu Desktop, so it's gotta be a Plasma thing. | 17:24 |
| Eickmeyer | arraybolt3: Nope, likely not a snapd issue. ^ | 17:25 |
| Eickmeyer | Symptom showed after a plasma update on every install I have. | 17:25 |
| arraybolt3 | well why then does the non-Snap just work and the snap get AppArmor denials? | 17:25 |
| Eickmeyer | No idea. | 17:26 |
| Eickmeyer | But it didn't show after a snapd update, it showed after a plasma update. | 17:26 |
| arraybolt3 | hmm, I suppose the way that Plasma allows services to send notifications or make app tray icons could have changed and that new way is blocked by snapd or something... | 17:29 |
| arraybolt3 | but I don't get it, this should have been only bugfix releases from now on with 5.27 I thought. | 17:29 |
| Eickmeyer | Sometimes bugfixes introduce regressions. That's development 101. | 17:30 |
| arraybolt3 | right but I mean, an architectural change like what I'm thinking doesn't seem very likely to me at least. | 17:30 |
| Eickmeyer | Well, I've gotta go afk, I'm at work right now. | 17:31 |
| arraybolt3 | kk | 17:31 |
| arraybolt3 | this looks relevant: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/dbus-related-apparmor-denials/37422/14 | 17:43 |
| mparillo | Lack of emojis in Neochat? In a different version of Neochat, installing noto-emoji solved the lack of emojis. | 17:44 |
| IrcsomeBot | <sgmoore> Click launcher, type emoji and it brings up an emoji picker. It is a mess. noto-sans-color-emoji is installed and seeded. There is a conflict somewhere. | 17:50 |
| arraybolt3 | So disabling apparmor entirely seems to fix the issue... | 18:38 |
| arraybolt3 | obviously not a good fix but it isolates things a bit better | 18:38 |
| Eickmeyer | Comment on the apparmor bug, I guess. | 18:42 |
| Eickmeyer | Maybe add snapd to it? idk... | 18:42 |
| arraybolt3 | found a tool called snappy-debug for debugging exactly this kind of mess, going to try it | 18:44 |
| IrcsomeBot | <sgmoore> Excellent tool | 18:48 |
| arraybolt3 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/2056696 | 19:03 |
| -ubottu:#kubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2056696 in snapd "All Snaps are denied the ability to use DBus for notifications and apptray indicators" [Undecided, New] | 19:03 | |
| Eickmeyer | arraybolt3: Imma add apparmor to that. Could be one, could be both. | 19:04 |
| arraybolt3 | thanks | 19:04 |
| arraybolt3 | The reason I suspect Snap is because according to https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/apparmor-profile-customisation/35780/3, "apparmor profiles for snaps are generated on the fly at snap install time and re-generated during snap updates from the interface definitions of snapd." Also Snap is something that could have theoretically updated out from under you without you noticing on multiple systems, | 19:05 |
| arraybolt3 | thus making it look like Plasma's fault. | 19:05 |
| Eickmeyer | RIght, that's why I've been suspecting Plasma this whole time, but which component? | 19:06 |
| arraybolt3 | either something DBus related or the desktop itself, I checked plasma-desktop's Git history though and didn't see anything even a bit suspicious. | 19:06 |
| Eickmeyer | Not even something related to dbus? | 19:07 |
| arraybolt3 | nope | 19:07 |
| Eickmeyer | Then I wonder if there was a change in dbus? | 19:08 |
| Eickmeyer | I mean, we've gotta explore everything. | 19:08 |
| Eickmeyer | Then of course, there's frameworks. | 19:09 |
| arraybolt3 | hey... can you *downgrade* snapd? | 19:25 |
| arraybolt3 | that might be interesting to try | 19:25 |
| IrcsomeBot | <sgmoore> Yes, unfortunately I don't have the commands at hand | 19:28 |
| arraybolt3 | So apparently LXQt uses org.kde.statusnotifieritem just like KDE (big shock there). XFCE uses com.canonical.dbusmenu (and I assume so does most if not all non-Qt things), so that'll be a point of comparison. | 20:19 |
| arraybolt3 | ok so the issue does *not* occur in Lubuntu. Which makes me think perhaps it's dodging the interface that isn't working for some reason. | 20:46 |
| arraybolt3 | I've done about as much debugging work on this as I can today - I'm not finding anything that looks suspicious looking through Git history for notification-related code in KDE, so for now I'm going to leave this to the Snap and AppArmor guys to look into and try again later. | 20:59 |
| valorie | arraybolt3: you're working on Sunday??? | 21:00 |
| valorie | thanks for your work | 21:00 |
| arraybolt3 | valorie: :P glad to be able to help | 21:00 |
| valorie | :-) | 21:01 |
| valorie | it IS helping | 21:01 |
| valorie | feels good to have a team effort going | 21:01 |
| arraybolt3 | feels good to be part of a good team | 21:01 |
| valorie | Eickmeyer: you too | 21:01 |
| valorie | also -- I sent you an email! | 21:02 |
| valorie | arraybolt3: amen to that | 21:02 |
| Eickmeyer | valorie: I work for a church in Everett, keeps my audio skills sharp. And it's fun. | 23:31 |
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