[01:31] <jrwren> where is the money going if not to the conf organizers?
[01:39] <Scary_Guy> I mean if they roll it back into the con then that's one thing, but if they're just lining their pockets...
[09:26] <wolfger> I've never been deeply involved with Penguicon, but I've been on the periphery for a long time. Unless there's been some fuckery that I don't know about, all of con's money has gone back into con. They used to do some pretty epic consuite shit, buying a ton of food, drinks, and beer to give to attendees free of charge. They pay travel expenses and (I believe) hotel room for the GoHs, and renting every conference room in the 
[09:26] <wolfger> hotel (plus some more from the adjacent building) isn't cheap.
[09:29] <wolfger> Covid fucked them over in that they had a hotel contract that they had to renegotiate because no way in hell could they get the attendance numbers for... Basically con is struggling to even survive right now, and I'll be somewhat surprised if it doesn't fold after this year.
[09:31] <wolfger> But yeah, I remember one year they were flush with money and just like "come up with ideas on how to spend this cash... come to the board meeting with your idea, and if we like it we'll fund you". Nobody was trying to fuck off with wads of cash. This ain't no ComiCon.
[09:32] <Scary_Guy> Well at least that's good to hear.  Still you'd think they could at least throw him gas money :P
[09:33] <Scary_Guy> Actually IIRC he still had to get a ticket too.
[09:34] <Scary_Guy> There aren't a lot of things that will anger me by proxy but that's one of them.
[09:36] <Scary_Guy> I remember going to HauntCon when they came here.  They wanted all the hearse owners to show up (spending their gas which isn't cheap as they notoriously get bad mileage) and then didn't even want to comp us admission when we were there as an attraction for THEIR event.
[09:36] <wolfger> Yeah, I don't know the particulars of that... I feel like they should have, but they probably treated him like any other panelist. Buy your ticket up front and get comped after if you actually showed up for your 3 panels (the threshold for getting comped), because they had some issue with people signing up to do panels then no-showing.
[09:37] <Scary_Guy> Ah, see he didn't mention that part, that would be more understandable then.
[09:37] <wolfger> but DJ'ing isn't just sitting on a panel, that's a ton of work and a ton of equipment.
[09:38] <Scary_Guy> Yeah, he has a large cube truck which is also not cheap to drive.
[09:40] <Scary_Guy> I think he has a minimal setup he can take in his other vehicle but if he's taking the sound system and lighting as well...
[09:45] <wolfger> Yeah, they totally should have paid some of his expense for that.
[12:55] <jccgjw> Ahh, scary people everywhere. CD
[12:55] <jccgjw> XD
[12:56] <Scary_Guy> Oh hey, you're back!
[12:56] <Scary_Guy> Sorry I was in the shower when you asked.  Getting ready to go out to eat with family.
[12:57] <Scary_Guy> there's coffee.ofdoom.org and doughnut.ofdoom.org.  I think one of those two is down for the count.  Can't remember which one.
[12:57] <jccgjw> Had to reset my IRC client and I'm just getting reacquainted with it. Haven't used IRC since early 2000's 
[12:57] <Scary_Guy> ./links shows them both as on though
[12:58] <Scary_Guy> Which client?
[12:58] <Scary_Guy> I'm on Weechat
[12:58] <jccgjw> IRC via Thunderbird Chat tab. Haha. I have yet to decide on a main IRC client.
[12:58] <Scary_Guy> What OS?
[12:59] <jccgjw> Well theres only three options there...
[12:59] <jccgjw> Lol
[12:59] <Scary_Guy> There are sub options though.
[13:00] <jccgjw> Indeed. And I've found Windows to be too wide-open, and MacOS is a closed-ecosystem knock-off of linux.
[13:01] <jccgjw> So, now it's one of like 2000 options. I'll give you a hint. I didn't build my own Kernal from scratch, if that helps narrow it down. XD
[13:02] <Scary_Guy> Not really, but close enough.  Do you like the terminal?
[13:02] <jccgjw> Worse yet, Windows is a closed-ecosystem knock-off of MacOS, which is itself a closed-ecosystem knock-off of linux... So I would only use it if forced by circumstance.
[13:03] <jccgjw> I do like terminal. Seems like you do too?
[13:03] <Scary_Guy> Yeah, I have like five terminal windows open now running various things with a low memory footprint.
[13:04] <Scary_Guy> Weechat or IRSSI (I think) are good TUI IRC clients.
[13:05] <jccgjw> Sounds like DWM
[13:05] <jccgjw> Desktop Environments are bloat?
[13:05] <Scary_Guy> Actually I use i3wm.  It's comfy.
[13:06] <Scary_Guy> Technically I'm on Regolith Desktop 3 which uses either that or Sway with PiCom.
[13:10] <jccgjw> I'll have to check out IRSSI, I've heard it reference before.
[13:11] <jccgjw> Honestly, I learn fast, and have little to no experience with Linux. I know how to find masters and tend to pay close attention to them.
[13:11] <Scary_Guy> You should check out mug.org then too.
[13:11] <jccgjw> I've broken my installation at least 10 difference ways in the last month and happily sought solutions online. Lol
[13:12] <jccgjw> *different
[13:12] <Scary_Guy> I've been there, probably will be again too.
[13:12] <Scary_Guy> You should also check out Ventoy then as well.  Fun tool that turns a USB drive into an ISO multicart.
[13:13] <jccgjw> I use that tool already. I WISH that was around ten years ago.. when all I had was a CD burner... 
[13:14] <Scary_Guy> I know.  I was pretty surprised it took someone that long to come up with the idea but it makes so much sense!
[13:14] <jccgjw> Indeed!
[13:14] <Scary_Guy> Read that in Teal'c's voice
[13:14] <jccgjw> External SSD become an ISO Multicart as you said. 
[13:14] <jccgjw> becomes*
[13:14] <jccgjw> Man, having a real keyboard is something I have to get used to again.
[13:15] <Scary_Guy> Your keyboard sucks :P
[13:15] <jccgjw> Been on mobile for basically the last three years, sorting out this haacker issue
[13:15] <jccgjw> Thanks, I'll be sure to leave it the memo.
[13:15] <jccgjw> It truly is a china special for $10 from amazon. 
[13:15] <Scary_Guy> https://www.zsa.io/moonlander
[13:15] <jccgjw> Genuine Mechanical Keys though 
[13:15] <Scary_Guy> Well, I did overpay heavily for mine.
[13:16] <Scary_Guy> Programmable layers though, and I'm using the Workman layout.
[13:16] <Scary_Guy> https://workmanlayout.org
[13:16] <jccgjw> Soldered keys and LEDs.. I dont mind having cheap gear. In fact I like figuring out how to make lesser gear do what it wasn't designed to do.
[13:17] <Scary_Guy> That is awesome
[13:17] <Scary_Guy> I did just get a Flipper Zero too
[13:17] <jccgjw> Moonlander looks comfy.
[13:18] <Scary_Guy> That's because it is.  I have mine sitting on the end of my armrests.
[13:18] <Scary_Guy> With a long cable connecting the two halves.
[13:18] <jccgjw> So YOUR the guy on TikTok opening up trunks and gascap covers on people's Teslas on LIVE...  lol
[13:18] <Scary_Guy> No, but that does sound like fun
[13:19] <Scary_Guy> Just have to remember not to take it into Canada
[13:19] <jccgjw> You're probably going to think I'm just a weak target saying this.... 
[13:20] <jccgjw> I prefer to lawful side of computing. Though I appreciate the creative energy of the desire to bend rules. 
[13:20] <jccgjw> the*
[13:21] <Scary_Guy> White hats have their place too.  They just call it pen-testing instead of hacking.
[13:22] <Scary_Guy> In reality though it's all shades of grey.
[13:22] <jccgjw> In fact, I aspite to develop myself as a member of Purple-Team
[13:23] <Scary_Guy> You ever see Sneakers?
[13:24] <jccgjw> What year?
[13:24] <Scary_Guy> 1992 I think?
[13:24] <jccgjw> It sounds familiar... 
[13:24] <Scary_Guy> You should, right up your alley.
[13:25] <jccgjw> I have yes, a couple times. Had to see scenes to remember it.
[13:25] <Scary_Guy> Should check out a lot of the DefCon videos too.
[13:25] <jccgjw> Sneakers, Hackers, 90s classics.
[13:26] <Scary_Guy> Well Hackers was fantasy hacking bullshit for the most part, I guess Sneakers was some of that too.
[13:26] <Scary_Guy> Mr. Robot is pretty legit though.
[13:27] <wolfger> Seatec Astronomy!
[13:27] <jccgjw> Yeah, I was pretty disappointed to learn how much nonsense was in Hackers..
[13:27] <Scary_Guy> I stil want a clear laptop though, that thing was so cool.  Clear cases should make a comeback.
[13:28] <Scary_Guy> Kind of want a Nothing Phone for that reason.  Although I'm happier with my glitchy PinePhone.
[13:28] <jccgjw> That was the coolest. You got a PinePhone?
[13:28] <jccgjw> Worth the wait?
[13:29] <Scary_Guy> I want the Pro, but it's very much a "dev phone."  It works, but barely.
[13:29] <jccgjw> You're probably going to think I'm nuts for asking this... 
[13:29] <Scary_Guy> Postmarket OS is the one that works best.
[13:31] <jccgjw> If you were the target of an unknown APT group, that wanted to toy with some nobody for a couple years non-stop, what would you advise such a person to help them climb out of the hole?
[13:32] <Scary_Guy> Well there are plenty of books on how to disappear.  I'd do that if they were really hellbent, but that's an extreme case and not for everyone.
[13:32] <Scary_Guy> Maybe treat it like identity theft?  IDK honestly.
[13:33] <jccgjw> I heard Pinephone was glitchy. Like the Arch-linux of cell phones. You can use it, but you gotta get used to bug-hunting daily.
[13:33] <Scary_Guy> Maybe go on the offensive?  Try to get their information.
[13:33] <Scary_Guy> It's not a daily thing, but it is often.
[13:34] <Scary_Guy> On the plus side there's an IRC/Matrix/Discord and they're all bridged together.  That and the PostmarketOS ones make troubleshooting a little bit easier.
[13:34] <jccgjw> Well, that's precisely my motivation for suddenly learning purple-team. I want to defend and gather enough to share with other who might cause me to become a relatively formidable target, rather than a nobody.
[13:35] <Scary_Guy> Knowledge is power for sure
[13:35] <Scary_Guy> Anyway I gotta jet, breakfast with family soon.
[13:36] <jccgjw> Thanks for sharing knowledge and time, Scary_Guy
[13:36] <Scary_Guy> :)
[13:36] <jccgjw> I appreciate chatting with you. Maybe I'll see you around. Enjoy your breakfast eh?
[13:56] <jccgjw> wolfger Seatec Astronomy?
[14:09] <wolfger> from the movie Sneakers
[14:10] <wolfger> anagram for "too many secrets"
[22:42] <jccgjw> Finally got Weechat up and running... lol
[23:01] <cmaloney> woo woo