[00:00] <pragmaticenigma> derek-shnosh: Lenovo machine with a Dell docking station?
[00:13] <derek-shnosh> pragmaticenigma: yeah, already had it readily avail from my work laptop.
[00:14] <derek-shnosh> The issue wasn't the dock though because one of the displays (with the USB-C <> DP cable) is directly connected to the laptop on another USB-C port... it wasn't working either.
[00:15] <tv_> hi
[00:15] <derek-shnosh> Didn't want to undo all my cable mgmt, dock is snap-velcro'ed to the bottom of the desk corner. https://i.imgur.com/NnDRm6m.jpeg
[00:16] <pragmaticenigma> derek-shnosh: well there's your problem... the dock is upside down, all the electrons fell out
[00:17] <derek-shnosh> >.<
[00:17] <derek-shnosh> Actually still right side up ;)
[00:17] <tv_> opa blz
[00:17] <pragmaticenigma> derek-shnosh: my former employers dell dock had powered fan, does yours as well?
[00:18] <derek-shnosh> pragmaticenigma: I think so... it's a WD22TB4 dock, I hear it spin up when I first power it on.
[00:20] <pragmaticenigma> I miss mine... new employer just got a cheapo Lenovo dock with DisplayLink... so no display until the machine is fully booted :(
[00:40] <oerheks> Derailed, good spot!
[00:40] <oerheks> err derek-shnosh
[09:18] <tuxinator> Hi
[09:18] <tuxinator> Somebody using pam_mount?
[09:19] <Unit193> It's pretty useful.
[09:26] <tuxinator> Unit193: Talking to me?
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> seems like it tuxinator
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> tuxinator: did you also have a question around it?
[09:49] <nteodos> Just had the most weird problem, was installing a base-files from Jammy in my Mantic installation, at the end Apt failed with some message about rm not being found and then no command would be found. Rebooted and now get kernel panic, can't find /sbin/init though inspecting the disk from another OS proves it's there, as is everything else... :S
[10:04] <tuxinator> lotuspsychje: Well, seems like... one should use the "user:" method of replying ;-)
[10:04] <tuxinator> lotuspsychje: Well i am trying to get pam_mount running with gocryptfs also for ssh logins and not only local logins, but ssh never asks for password when using pubkeyauth
[10:08] <tuxinator> lotuspsychje: Looks like Publickey Authentication entirely skips pams "auth" parts
[10:09] <nteodos> I just asked in -devel, so please ignore my query here.
[10:10] <tuxinator> lotuspsychje: just found AuthenticationMethods in sshd, looking at it at the Moment
[10:16] <tuxinator> lotuspsychje: Well, finally! it looks like doing pubkey and keyboard-interactive using AuthenticationMethods does the Job!
[10:43] <ogra_> nteodosio, installing base files from an older release is a rather insane idea ... even if it worked i think there was that /usr merge stuff between the two releases that will likely break the world
[10:44] <nteodosio> That's indeed what happened ogra_, see #ubuntu-devel. It was of world breaking consequences but the fix was not so scary after all.
[10:45] <ogra_> oh, i see colin helped ...
[13:09] <vlm> is it possible to hold updates for a snap but at same time get notified when theres an update available?
[13:12] <ogra_> vlm, not out of the box butu you could craft something based on "snap refresh --list" which is a no-op but will list upgradeable snaps
[13:13] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:16] <vlm> ogra_, thanks (,")
[13:33] <ioria> vlm, roughly crafted:  var=$(snap list | grep tesseract| awk '{print $2}');var1=$(snap info tesseract| grep stable| grep -v track| awk '{print $2}'); echo $var ; echo $var1; if [[ "$var" != "$var1" ]]; then echo "UPDATE ASAP"; fi  ; then you can pipe to notify-send with a cronjob
[13:35] <vlm> ioria, thanks for reply aswell =) will test it soon
[13:36] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/docs/managing-updates , exampl  snap refresh --hold=24h firefox
[13:42] <vlm> oerheks, ill check the link for some reading also, though i managed to hold it for all time which was my intention, though i didnt seem to get any notification when there was new updates available, ill give your web page a go
[13:57] <ioria> vlm, a little better : echo "enter snap name - ";read line; var=$(snap list | grep $line| awk '{print $2}');var1=$(snap info $line| grep stable| grep -v track|  grep -v preview |awk '{print $2}'); echo $var ; echo $var1; if [[ "$var" != "$var1" && "$var1" != "--" ]]; then notify-send  "UPDATE ASAP"; fi
[14:00] <leftyfb>  awk '/${line}/ {print $2}'    and awk '/preview/ {print $2}'
[14:17] <ogra_> ioria, woah, why all that effort ? snap refresh --list will do all the checks you do in your script anyway ... sdo as soon as a name shows up in the list you can be sure the channel snapd is tracking for that package has an update ... you really dont need so much scriptery
[14:23] <ogra_> PKG=firefox; if snap refresh --list | grep -q $PKG; then notify-send "snap package for $PKG is ready to be refreshed"; fi
[14:25] <ogra_> vlm, run that periodically from a cronjob or some such in your desktop session ^^^ ... if you want to check multiple packages wrap a "for" loop aruond it that iterates over different values for PKG
[14:33] <vlm> ogra_, many thanks im just testing out firefox now so a littlte busy as it seems to work fine again after no updates for probably a while since i forgot due to no notification hehe
[14:56] <Zed> Hello.. Does anyone know of a way to get Expanded Security Maintenance and patches from a source /other/ than Canonical? I have been working with them for weeks with no result. I have an instance of 22.04.4 LTS in Azure that is not supported because only "Pay-As-You-Go and EA Subscriptions." are supported but I have a VDI that is a mission critical machine that I can't simply replace as it has been tested and
[14:56] <Zed> vetted with the NY Stock Exchange .. I hope that makes sense...
[14:58] <leftyfb> Zed: ESM(Pro) is a service provided by Canonical
[14:59] <Zed> I know
[14:59] <leftyfb> Zed: you should contact Canonical for commercial support for Pro
[14:59] <Zed> I just said they are not able to help
[15:00] <leftyfb> Zed: did they say they weren't able to help because you're a commercial customer who isn't willing to pay for their commercial services?
[15:00] <Zed> no
[15:00] <Zed> I am more than willing to pay
[15:00] <Zed> sorry just on a call.. I will explain in a second...
[15:27] <Zed> Since I am unable to buy the service directly from Microsoft I called Canonical directly. I was told by sales that I would get a quote in a day or so. I have been going back and fourth with them since February 20th but I still don't have a quote much less a contract.
[15:28] <leftyfb> Zed: you'll still need to work with Canonical
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> Zed: this channel holds only volunteers from the ubuntu community
[15:28] <Menzador> Zed: We're the community support channel. You're going to have to wait for Canonical themselves to get back to you
[15:28] <leftyfb> Zed: nobody else provides Ubuntu Pro services
[15:28] <plastikman> I have experience with the sales cycle at Canonical, its slow.
[15:29] <plastikman> but as stated here, you have no choice but to get the ESM packages from canonical.  you can set up an airgapped package repo (with the help of canonical) for these systems
[15:30] <plastikman> or, if you are feeling spicy, just set up a "personal" ubuntu pro sub and do a "pro attach xxxxx" on that system
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> plastikman: this is not really the place to discuss that
[15:30] <akik> huh
[15:31] <Zed> I understand all this. My question was phrased improperly. Is there any other way to get /all/ the available security patches...
[15:31] <plastikman> no
[15:31] <akik> you can't talk about ubuntu on #ubuntu. crazy
[15:31] <leftyfb> none that are supported here
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> akik: we try to divide ubuntu support issues, with user experiences/discussions into the right channels
[16:03] <ioria> ogra_, i still like mine :þ (i'am childish today)
[16:08] <DarkenedGentlema> Looking at the majority of the how-to docs out their for fail2ban and they look to use jail.local?  Just curious why as oposed to ./etc/fail2ban/jail.d/?
[16:15] <leftyfb> DarkenedGentlema: you can use either
[16:16] <librton> ubuntu installation stucked at help & support, how about an hour now. Is there any way to figure out what was/is wrong?
[16:22] <stenno> is it trying to install updates?
[16:28] <ioria> librton, switch to tty
[16:30] <librton> ioria: I've killed the previous installation gui window, started a new one, turned out the same previous window still in same stuck position
[16:31] <ioria> librton, ctrl+alt+f3 (or 2, or 1)
[16:31] <librton> Now I'm trying another installation ... Do you have an exact meaning of the installer window of disk partitioning "Device for boot loader installation:"?
[16:31] <librton> Is that the source or destination?
[16:32] <librton> It shows my installation hdd there /dev/sda which I don't wanna overwrite
[16:32] <ioria> librton, what is that ? windows
[16:32] <Menzador> Destination, but that's more for legacy installations. Usually it'll detect whether it's in EFI mode and find the EFI system partition (ESP)
[16:32] <Menzador> So it's still best to select whichever disk holds the ESP
[16:32] <Menzador> It won't overwrite your disk
[16:33] <Menzador> It's telling what legacy argument to pass to the [ grub-install ] command
[16:33] <ioria> librton, but you said 'stuck at help & support'
[16:34] <librton> Thanks Menzador , I'm not sure if this old hp 600B G1 supports efi but I've created 800Mb partition just in case
[16:34] <librton> ioria: yes, I've restarted the system already
[16:35] <ioria> librton,  next time  https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/no-progress-indicator/37288
[16:36] <ioria> librton,  there is a little button in the bottom right corner
[16:38] <librton> thanks ioria , I think I've figured out the issue now. not the solution though .....
[16:38] <librton> It's complaining about EFI something ...
[16:38] <ioria> librton,  i see.. a screenshot would help a bit
[16:39] <librton> "The attempt to mount a file system with type vfat in SCSI3 (0,0,0), partition #4 (sdc) at /boot/efi failed
[16:40] <librton> you may resume partitioning from the partitioning menu
[16:41] <librton> Linguistically speaking ,, it should state " you have to go back to the partitioning menu " instead of resume " which implies continue forward further "
[16:41] <librton> execuse my English
[16:43] <ioria> librton, did you create a new esp partition ?
[16:44] <ioria> librton, i mean, did you format it correctly ?
[16:46] <librton> yeah I think I didn't do it right .... It has 2 primaries for windows 7 installed already ... then I've created 1 primary for efi , and a logical with extended partitions for / and swap
[16:47] <librton> does it look good?
[16:47] <ioria> librton, efi should be formatted vfat
[16:48] <librton> fdisk -l /dev/sdc states it's EFI (FAT-12/16/32)
[16:48] <librton> ID ef
[16:51] <ioria> librton, sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:56] <librton> but now it seem the installation is hanging at the same previous point
[16:56] <librton> ioria: it's not connected to the internet ... it has a wifi card
[16:57] <ioria> librton, ok, but do you see 'fat32        boot' ?
[17:02] <librton> here ... I did it with my mobile phone https://imgur.com/a/KtJhNSW
[17:03] <librton> ioria: yes it marked as a bootable partition
[17:03] <ioria> is dos pT
[17:03] <librton> yes
[17:04] <ioria> i don't think is correct; should be gpt; did you boot the installer in legacy mode ?
[17:05] <ioria> ah, ok windows is installed as legacy; nope, you cannot install in efi mode
[17:06] <ioria> librton, meaning, you need to install without an efi partition
[17:08] <ioria> librton, delete 3 to 6; enter bios, check if CSM/legacy is selected and reinstall
[17:10] <ioria> librton, be sure to boot the Installer as Legacy (not uefi)
[17:10] <librton> I see, but it will have to wait, I gotta run now
[17:10] <librton> thanks ioria
[17:10] <librton> cheers
[17:10] <ioria> ok
[18:23] <librton> ioria: bank ... with failure to grub installation to /dev/sdc
[18:23] <librton> maybe I'll give it a try with another distro to see how it works
[18:27] <ioria> librton, how did you do the usb-installer ?
[18:27] <ioria> librton, with what program ?
[18:36] <lbracher> Hello! Out of nowhere my bluetooth adapter disappears and I'm not able to recover it restarting the service. How could I diagnose what is happening? TIA!
[18:45] <librton> ioria: I've 500GB SATA hdd with bunch of linux & windows iso under Ventoy
[18:46] <librton> now I'm trying lmde and stuck again after the partitioning point saying "The EFI partition is too small. it must be at least 35MB" where in fact I didn't bother making efi partition knowing this is dos hdd and windows 7 on the other side of it
[18:47] <ioria> librton, you can't install on the same disk in bios and efi mode
[18:48] <librton> the windows partition is no longer booting after the second attempt of ubuntu, beside I didn't ask any of the linux distro to install/use EFI mode
[18:49] <librton> I'm not sure which isn't compatible with which because I didn't find any EFI related options with the CMOS BIOS Step of this pC
[18:49] <ioria> librton, i would do again the the installer with rufus (or etcher)
[18:49] <librton> not sure if it supports it
[18:50] <ioria> what ?
[19:08] <librton> what is the difference between partition flags boot and bls_boot in GParted?
[19:08] <librton> which should be given to efi partition?
[19:12] <librton> I think the because the installation distro sees an EFI partition on the source of installation media then it's automatically assuming that this is going to be EFI installation which later ends up meeting an old DOS filesystem on the destination hdd
[19:13] <JanC> https://www.gnu.org/software/parted/manual/html_node/set.html
[19:14] <librton> so yes, there is no issue with both distro iso(s) and using an imaged usb with dd may solve the issue
[19:41] <librton> tried couple of other failing distros but slackware seems to getting it
[19:42] <librton> viva la alto penguino
[23:00] <Guest9671> Hello
[23:01] <Guest9671> Anybody home
[23:01] <jeremy31> !ask | Guest9671
[23:42] <oerheks> yes