[01:00] <joshp> hey guys, it seems that Debian supercedes Ubuntu in every possible area, is Ubuntu making a comeback?
[01:01] <rbox> go troll somewhere else
[01:02] <joshp> Did I say something wrong? I am till a big fan of ubuntu
[01:03] <andre_> What is the most popular linux distro
[01:05] <rbox> what does popular even mean
[01:05] <andre_> i meant
[01:05] <andre_> what distro have the most users
[01:05] <rbox> theres no way to know
[01:05] <rbox> does it matter?
[01:05] <andre_> Do people think of ubuntu when they first thinx of linux
[01:06] <joshp> Used to be Ubuntu...till I try Debian but that's me. But it is also worth mentioning that based on some reviews Ubuntu has fallen below
[01:06] <andre_> is debian beginner friendly
[01:07] <joshp> The one that works and at the same time pleases the eyes as far as desktop is concerned
[01:07] <joshp> Bugs free, stable, pleasant
[04:38] <asher> $ df -h
[04:38] <asher> df: /run/user/1000/doc: Operation not permitted
[04:38] <asher> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[04:38] <asher> udev             16G     0   16G   0% /dev
[04:38] <asher> tmpfs           3.2G  1.4M  3.2G   1% /run
[04:38] <asher> tmpfs            16G     0   16G   0% /dev/shm
[04:38] <asher> tmpfs           5.0M  4.0K  5.0M   1% /run/lock
[04:38] <asher> tmpfs           3.2G   56K  3.2G   1% /run/user/1000
[04:38] <asher> does someone have some ideas what to do if my / dir is out of space?
[04:38] <asher> it says i gave it 24 gig.  isnt that enough... how do i see what dirs is causing the problem?
[04:39] <Bashing-om> !info ncdu | asher
[04:40] <asher> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[04:42] <asher> what i wanted to do was allocate more space from /home over to / however the drive is in use.
[04:42] <asher> so there isn't a way to do this?  unless its all command line?
[04:44] <Bashing-om> asher: If you need  bit of head room immediately -for operations- one can remove old boot files -> ' sudo journalctl --vacuum-size=100M ; sudo journalctl --vacuum-time=2weeks '.
[04:45] <asher> so your saying config-5.10.0-23-amd64  initrd.img-5.10.0-23-amd64  System.map-5.10.0-25-amd64  vmlinuz-5.10.0-9-amd64
[04:45] <asher> config-5.10.0-25-amd64  initrd.img-5.10.0-25-amd64  System.map-5.10.0-9-amd64
[04:45] <asher> config-5.10.0-9-amd64   initrd.img-5.10.0-9-amd64   vmlinuz-5.10.0-23-amd64
[04:45] <asher> grub                    System.map-5.10.0-23-amd64  vmlinuz-5.10.0-25-amd64
[04:45] <asher> however those are all small?
[04:45] <Bashing-om> asher: can not operate on a partition that is mounted -in use - One works from a live environment (LiveUSB).
[04:47] <asher> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-headers-5.10.0-25-amd64_5.10.191-1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[04:47] <asher>  cannot copy extracted data for './usr/share/doc/linux-headers-5.10.0-25-amd64/changelog.Debian.gz' to '/usr/share/doc/linux
[04:47] <asher> -headers-5.10.0-25-amd64/changelog.Debian.gz.dpkg-new': failed to write (No space left on device)
[04:47] <asher> can i just umount /home?
[04:48] <asher> from a liveusb or something?  maybe thats best?  i have a 1TB drive however the installer didn't detect when did the first install.
[04:49] <Bashing-om> asher: UNmounting home will not free up disk space - all at this point you can do is see what is taking up space and delete what is no longer needed.
[04:50] <asher> https://us04web.zoom.us/j/72738790980?pwd=Ru3zPEgMzq4YU0sN9sZ0okbTcM0ExD.1
[04:50] <asher> can i show you on zoom really quick...?  :)
[04:53] <Bashing-om> asher: I do not use those ytpes of tools - // what you can do is pastebin the output of du -> ' cd / ; sudo du -sx * | sort -n '.
[04:54] <asher> ;).
[04:54] <asher> 4368	./grub/locale
[04:54] <asher> 2344	./grub/fonts
[04:54] <asher> 2536	./grub/i386-pc
[04:54] <asher> 11608	./grub
[04:54] <asher> 157812	.
[04:54] <asher> all very small
[04:55] <asher> 0	bin
[04:55] <asher> 0	dev
[04:55] <asher> 0	initrd.img
[04:55] <asher> 0	initrd.img.old
[04:55] <asher> 0	lib
[04:55] <asher> 0	lib32
[04:55] <asher> 0	lib64
[04:55] <asher> 0	libx32
[04:55] <asher> 0	proc
[04:55] <asher> 0	sbin
[04:55] <asher> 0	sys
[04:55] <asher> 0	vmlinuz
[04:56] <asher> 0	vmlinuz.old
[04:56] <asher> 4	mnt
[04:56] <asher> 4	srv
[04:56] <asher> 16	lost+found
[04:56] <asher> 100	tmp
[04:56] <asher> 1376	run
[04:56] <asher> 10700	etc
[04:56] <asher> 18792	root
[04:56] <asher> 157812	boot
[04:56] <asher> 1162812	opt
[04:56] <asher> 1359028	var
[04:56] <Disconsented> !ops flood
[04:56] <asher> 7744976	usr
[04:56] <asher> 13771480	media
[04:56] <asher> 25638340	home
[04:58] <asher> i'm using an INDIAN OS called BOSS its kinda a "newish' OS i guess based on DEBIAN.
[05:00] <asher> i have all these -rw-r--r--  1 root root 3787866112 Mar  8 15:36 gentoo
[05:00] <asher> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 3787866112 Mar 15 15:46 gentoo1
[05:00] <asher> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 3787866112 Mar 15 16:08 gentoo2
[05:00] <asher> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 2738262016 Mar 15 16:14 gentoo3
[05:00] <Bashing-om> !Paste asher
[05:00] <asher> ;) SORRY!
[05:01] <Bashing-om> !Pastebin asher
[05:01] <Bashing-om> !pastebin asher
[05:01] <Unit193> Bashing-om: I think you can stop now.
[05:01] <asher> dang i had GIGABYTES of GENTOO problems?  it seems better now!
[05:04] <Bashing-om> asher: as and example of a spare system's du: https://termbin.com/wdks // from terminal commands: ' cd / ; sudo du -sx * | sort -n | nc termbin.com 9999 '.
[05:05] <Bashing-om> Unit193: Trying to -- tired and mind not co-operting :)
[05:06] <asher> it seems to be working now!  i cleaned out my /media directory i had a lot of bad mounts when they should have been to someplace else using "dd"
[05:07] <Bashing-om> asher: \o/ Good deal
[06:51] <kenyip> interesting, this is my first time to join this chat  group
[06:51] <kenyip> what does this chat group serve for?
[06:53] <Bashing-om> kentucky44448: This channel supports the Ubuntu operating system.
[09:10] <ussr> kon
[09:10] <ussr> nitiha
[09:10] <ussr> hallo
[10:05] <hwpplayer1> hi Ubuntu People !
[10:08] <whiskey76> o/
[10:08] <mandem0110> o/
[10:09] <lasermac> Can someone help to fix the repository? See https://pastebin.com/ZNSTkMQB
[10:11] <xFCFFEFFFFFFFFFF> \o
[10:16] <lasermac> Something wrong in the sources.list. How can it be fxed?
[10:16] <EriC^^> lasermac: the file should be named .list but it's called .lis
[10:17] <lasermac> Eric^^: See https://pastebin.com/ZNSTkMQB for more info
[10:17] <EriC^^> sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list.d/brave-browser-release.lis{,t}
[10:18] <EriC^^> i think this is the main error, error: https://deb.leap.se/client release InRelease: The following signatures were invalid: EXPKEYSIG 1E34A1828E207901 LEAP archive signing key <sysdev@leap.se>The repository 'https://deb.leap.se/client release InRelease' is not signed.
[10:19] <EriC^^> try to maybe remove that repo then add it again
[10:22] <lasermac> Eric^^: ok, done your suggestion. Updating system gives this info: https://pastebin.com/ZCDtJJA2
[10:25] <EriC^^> lasermac: still somet problem with the repo, maybe contact the maintainer or remove it if you dont need it (rm the .list file)
[10:26] <lasermac> Eric^^: ok, let's remove it. What do I need to key in?
[10:26] <EriC^^> lasermac: can you share 'ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d' ?
[10:28] <EriC^^> or "tail -v +1 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*" if you havent pastebined ls yet
[10:29] <lasermac> Eric^^: ok, see https://pastebin.com/DBEVJNdP
[10:29] <EriC^^> actually nevermind, from the pastebin the name shows, do "sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list.d/leap.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/leap.list.backup"
[10:30] <EriC^^> then "sudo apt update" again
[10:34] <lasermac> Eric^^: ok, done. Still something rotten. See https://pastebin.com/ZRJzF61s
[10:35] <EriC^^> lasermac: i think it's good now, those are just warnings and stuff
[10:36] <EriC^^> W warning N notice i think
[10:37] <EriC^^> should be able to do sudo apt full-upgrade and get the latest packages installed
[10:38] <lasermac> Eric^^: ok, done. But when I update Synaptic this appears. See https://pastebin.com/VKaBZ8Qb
[10:39] <EriC^^> yeah, those are just warnings, but it finishes updating the packages list
[10:40] <EriC^^> the vivaldi repo is using an old method to store the keyring so it warns about it, also it mentions its ignoring the leap repo we renamed
[10:40] <lasermac> Eric^^: ok, thank for the help and info.
[10:42] <EriC^^> lasermac: no problem
[10:44] <lasermac> Eric^^: If the trusted.gpg file is deleted in etc/apt/trusted.gpg will the warnings in synaptic be gone?
[10:49] <EriC^^> lasermac: maybe add it using the new way, type "man apt-key" and go to the section on deprecation and follow the steps as it pertains to the ppa
[10:51] <EriC^^> it seems they want the stuff added to ...trusted.gpg.d/reponame.asc instead of trusted.gpg
[10:53] <EriC^^> about the leap warning, i think if you rename it back to .list from .list.backup but comment out the repo line inside it with a "#" at the start of the line should be good, or just delete the file and put in your notes the repo name in case you need it later
[10:53] <whiskey76> I unzipped two mouse pointer folders to ~/.icons but the new pointers only show when hovering over windows. The default, Yaru, shows when the mouse is over the desktop. How to fix this?
[10:53] <whiskey76> Ubuntu Cinnamon 23.10
[10:54] <lasermac> Eric^^: ok, but that is a bit complicated for me
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> !themes | whiskey76 start here
[10:58] <EriC^^> lasermac: try 'sudo apt-get list' and pastebin
[10:59] <whiskey76> Thanks.
[10:59] <EriC^^> sorry
[10:59] <EriC^^> lasermac: sudo apt-key list
[11:01] <lasermac> Eric^^: Terminal says: E: Invalid operation list
[11:02] <EriC^^> with apt-key ? i made a typo first type
[11:04] <lasermac> Eric^^: I stop for now. Thanks for the help so far.
[11:04] <EriC^^> ok
[11:04] <EriC^^> no problem
[11:52] <marcin__> hello , where can i downloading vpn via terminal?
[11:54] <nick__> Hello, on my Lenovo l13 yoga g3 on Gnome the Keyboard does not get disabled if I fold the device over in tablet or tent mode however it is sold with Ubuntu. Has anyone an idea ho to fix this?
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> nick__: you could try searching a tweak via dconf-editor
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> marcin__: if you like there's a free vpn snap called riseup-vpn you can test/install
[12:19] <infinity0> what's the correct way to compile an in-tree kernel that was not present in the official config? i thought i did it right but i keep getting "insmod: module format error"
[12:19] <infinity0> specifically i'm using the linux-hwe ubuntu kernel, via linux mint
[12:20] <infinity0> and trying to compile CONFIG_IR_GPIO_CIR=m and CONFIG_IR_GPIO_TX=m, the compile works but i can't load it due to "format error"
[12:20] <infinity0> i'm using the same soucre version as my kernel, 6.5.0-25, but modinfo says 6.5.13 after the compile
[12:21] <jeremy31> infinity0: What part of modinfo says that?
[13:44] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:33] <infinity0> jeremy31: the vermagic. i've hacked around it now but now there's a different problem, this_module is failing to match
[14:34] <infinity0> i've tried to set CONFG_* values exactly as in the built kernel, values taken from /lib/modules/*/build, but this_module is still different
[14:34] <jeremy31> infinity0: Might need a make clean
[14:34] <infinity0> 0x500 for the built kernel, vs 0x4c0 for my compiled version
[14:34] <infinity0> i tried make clean loads of times
[14:35] <jeremy31> infinity0: For some reason it is pulling .config from the wrong headers
[14:38] <jeremy31> infinity0: or did you copy the .config from 6.5.13?
[14:47] <infinity0> jeremy31: i figured it out, the config is fine, but i had to decompress my kernel into ./vmlinux in the source tree so the build script runs BTF on it
[14:47] <infinity0> apparently this is a new thing and if it fails to run then it affects this_module size
[14:48] <infinity0> if you don't do that it will warn you BTF didn't run, but build the objects successfully, just with an incompatible module_size
[14:48] <infinity0> this_module size rather
[14:49] <infinity0> insmod now works, yay
[19:40] <u0_a219> .
[19:49] <u0_a219> heello
[22:23] <enyc> Hrrm;  Am I correct in saying the  Ubuntu 22.04 lts  installer  at least when asked to use a   'whole hard disk' / blank drive,  not 'custom partioning'  Always uses GPT and mkaes system dual  BIOS+UEFI bootable *regardless* of  installer booted in Bios or UEFI mode in first-place ... ??
[22:26] <Bashing-om> enyc: Install mode is dependent on what mode the installer is booted in.
[22:27] <jeremy31> Bashing-om: I think the erase disk and install Ubuntu may use GPT by default
[22:27] <oerheks> +1 if there is UEFI availabel
[22:28] <enyc> oerheks: friend has annoying HP machine where nightmare to update bios (need a win8 temporary install ;/ to do that)  where uefi-booting or at least disabling-secure-boot  seems to be buggy
[22:28] <Bashing-om> jeremy31: oerheks: Good to keep in mind :P
[22:28] <jeremy31> oerheks: It might use GPT on machines without UEFI support
[22:30] <JanC> shouldn't really matter, right?
[22:30] <jeremy31> JanC: Some pre UEFI machines won't recognize any OS installed on GPT
[22:30] <bprompt> enyc: is the HD formatted as GPT or MBR-DOS?  if the HD is GPT, I can see the installer going to UEFI automatically
[22:30] <JanC> BIOS can boot from GPT partitioned disks if done correctly
[22:31] <JanC> as in: have a fake MBR
[22:31] <oerheks> enyc, linux gives fwupdtes
[22:31] <oerheks> yay
[22:31] <enyc> oerheks: yes fwupd in newer systems
[22:31] <jeremy31> JanC: Not even the bios-grub partition will work on some
[22:31] <enyc> bprompt: neither, if just blank  e.g. new ssd plugged in
[22:32] <JanC> well, then they never were BIOS boot compatible to begin with...
[22:32] <enyc> jeremy31: there are some machines where bios insists upon an apparently ''bootable partition marked active'' in the MBR  which conflicts with  GPT container expectations
[22:32] <bprompt> enyc: well, hmm, the HD must have a partition table format, it will be either GPT or MBR-DOS, even if no partition is in it
[22:33] <bprompt> enyc: but for a new SSD, I'd expect it to be GPT by default though
[22:33] <enyc> bprompt: no, it can literally have 00 00 00 ... in all sectors; no  ''partition table format'' on there at all.
[22:33] <bprompt> enyc: I know
[22:34] <bprompt> enyc: doesn't mean that was the case though
[22:35] <enyc> oerheks: strongly get impression fwupd works notionlaly for much newer bits and pieces
[22:35] <bprompt> enyc: either way, hmmm I'd say stick to install one mode explicitly, format the HD first, then run the installer, otherwise the automatic mechanism will do that
[22:36] <jeremy31> enyc: Might be best to move this to #ubuntu-discuss
[22:36] <enyc> Hrrm; I was hoping for a clear answer to my suport question but it seems not really known here.
[22:37] <JanC> probably best to just try it
[22:37] <oerheks> automatic, full disks, is the preferred way
[22:37] <JanC> maybe in a VM or so
[22:37] <oerheks> have fun!
[23:44] <ph88^> how can i install llvm-11 on ubuntu 23.10 ?
[23:45] <oerheks> only available for LTS, 22.04
[23:45] <oerheks> and focal fossa
[23:46] <tarzeau> the reverse of FAQ simple sid backport :)
[23:46] <oerheks> us a vm to work with that old package?
[23:47] <ph88^> like docker ?
[23:47] <oerheks> depends on your project? KVM preferably