[00:01] <tortal> the more features we create the less faith i have for the future of the internet
[00:03] <tortal> good ol days when MSBLAST was the biggest problem... and warez was a thnig... IRC was a THING. noww... really pub channels  are mostly filled with necromancers, sadists, and lonely ppl... so there is no humor.. there is on only people acting as if they were sop etc etc.
[00:03] <tortal> Like i really want to keep irc alive but the public channels are on a downhil
[00:04] <tortal> (im waiting for the OFF TOPIC-cop to react now)
[00:06] <wamiti> Hey
[00:39] <SwollenTyrone> hi guis
[00:46] <SwollenTyrone> For running YoloV8 COmputer Vision, do I need a powerful GPU, or CPU primarily? Will a slow GPU limit the computer vision processing?
[00:48] <SwollenTyrone> yes
[00:57] <esv> Guest86, you don't want to encrypt your boot partition, the bootstrap module does not have enough information to open it upon start
[00:57]  * esv thinks he's late again
[00:57] <Josephur> lol, probably already did it and rebooted :P
[00:58] <nickserp> esv: cant the bootstrap module accept something simple like a private key or password for your partition?
[00:58] <esv> a) I don't know enough.
[00:58] <Josephur> What is the defactor BitLocker type encryption that encrypts even the boot partition for Linux?
[00:58] <esv> b) I haven't seen an encrypted machine with /boot encrypted.
[00:58] <Josephur> *defacto
[00:59] <Josephur> https://ubuntu.com/core/docs/full-disk-encryption
[00:59] <Josephur> Aha
[00:59] <Josephur> UEFI + TMP Required of course
[00:59] <Josephur> *TPM
[01:00] <esv> mmmm, I just deployed a UEFI vm with full disk encryption on kvm, let me see.
[01:01] <esv> I just hit enter, I had a different goal in mind.
[01:01] <nickserp> UEFI is the goat
[01:02] <esv> yup, my vm does not have /boot encrypted
[01:03] <akik> tj- wrote a guide on how to encrypt /boot too
[01:03] <akik> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019
[01:04] <esv> a mere 5 yrs ago...
[01:04]  * esv goes back to his corner
[01:09] <tortal> anybody still uses true/veracrypt EFI ?
[01:09] <tortal> ... here
[01:12] <Josephur> Does your vm have a TPM, and is booting in UEFI mode?
[01:12] <Josephur> "Almost Full Disk Encryption (FDE)
[01:12] <Josephur> "
[01:14] <akik> esv: linus wrote linux 30 years ago. can you imagine?
[01:19] <tortal> well, doesnt all reasonable laptops and now dekstop come with TPM
[01:21] <tortal> and please make me udnerstand why bitlocker for instnace loads drivers and stuff,,, but is still "encrypted".. what i dont get is how a OS boots without decryption
[01:21] <tortal> sure.. forward secrecy or something like that...
[01:21] <tortal> but.. that's off topic...
[01:21] <akik> lol
[01:24] <tortal> like.. suddenly this bitlocker thing came... and it's so funky and weird... i get that the TPM performs hardware accelerated decryption. But what happens when you "login" to your OS.. is it someone magically known to the CPU and TPM that "OK, now you're able to read -R /some/path ?
[01:25] <tortal> i need a book on this
[01:26] <Josephur> I'm not certain TPMS main function is to accelerate decryption, as much as it is to identify the drive is connected to its original machine to trust it.
[01:26] <Josephur> I'm not even sure the TPM module accelerates it at all actually, I think it just stores the keys
[01:26] <tortal> ok.. so the acceleration happens in the compatible CPU then
[01:26] <Josephur> I could be totally wrong :D
[01:27] <tortal> never mind.. CPU and TPM must be compatible for this thing to work that's for sure
[01:29] <tortal> maybe CPU has a dedicated "invisible" core for that purpose... not really interesting either case. what is interssting is why truecrypt solved it only by software and TPM really doesn't make me feel safe.. unless it also encrypts whats in ram.. that would be good
[01:29] <Josephur> Doubt it's a core, probably some instruction sets designed for quick crypto functions
[01:30] <tortal> must be
[01:30] <tortal> it's own thread at least
[01:30] <tortal> because otherwise it would force context switching
[01:37] <akik> i heard the magical term aes-ni some years ago when talking about the functions that accelerate the encryption
[02:02] <akik> what does this mean on ubuntu 22.04? "Memtest86+ needs a 16-bit boot, that is not available on EFI, exiting" i think i ran that on endeavouros uefi system
[02:03] <akik> i don't think i've ever heard the term 16-bit boot before
[02:03] <JanC> akik: install the version from jammy-backports
[02:04] <JanC> that's version 6.x which supports UEFI
[02:05] <JanC> either that or install 'pcmemtest' (memtest86+ v6 is a merger between memtest86+ v5 and pcmemtest)
[02:06] <akik> JanC: ok thanks
[02:07] <SwollenSammy> Hello, Im seeking a Gaming Laptop with native Linux compatability with Ubuntu-based OSs. I want to program Yolov8 and play vidya games on it, so i need a decent GPU. I like the ASUS laptops ive seen but worry about its driver compatability, i dont want to wait months or do some hotfix to get the keyboard working for example, so Im leaning twords
[02:07] <SwollenSammy> Lenovo Legion for Lenovos native linux compatability.
[02:11] <JanC> akik: also, 16-bit boot mode is what BIOS used, and what DOS used to run in
[02:11] <JanC> it's usually called "real mode"
[02:12] <akik> jacekowski: in endeavouros the only problem was that grub was missing some video mode drivers
[02:12] <akik> jacekowski: after i added those, it just ran
[02:12] <akik> oops wrong nick
[02:14] <tortal> SwollenSammy: Feels like you'll be able to get more aid in #hardware ,, the only ubuntu related thing here i see is the driver compat, and that's alwyas easy to check. You'll prolly find someone that has a gaming compuer there
[02:15] <SwollenSammy> yes im there now <3
[02:15] <tortal> please... no emojis,...
[02:15] <tortal> ascii is all good
[02:16] <tortal> oh, webchat does that... my bad
[02:17] <tortal> i only use one emojis.. ok two...
[02:17] <tortal> duke nukem and tophat.
[02:17] <tortal> and i feel like im already corrupted by social media by going that far
[04:06] <LuckyLuc> did ubuntu just add adware to the terminal apt update?
[04:06] <LuckyLuc> Get more security updates through Ubuntu Pro with 'esm-apps' enabled:
[04:06] <LuckyLuc>   vlc-plugin-qt libvlc5 vlc-data libvlccore9 vlc imagemagick vlc-bin
[04:06] <LuckyLuc>   libopusfile0 libjs-jquery-ui libpathplan4 vlc-l10n libmaven3-core-java
[04:06] <LuckyLuc>   graphviz libavdevice58 libgvpr2 libgvc6 ffmpeg libopenexr25 python3-scipy
[04:06] <LuckyLuc>   libpostproc55 libpostproc55 libcgraph6 libmagickcore-6.q16-6-extra
[04:07] <LuckyLuc>   vlc-plugin-samba libcdt5 libavcodec58 libavcodec58 traceroute
[04:10] <LuckyLuc> sorry for the spam I did not mean to send all those apt names
[04:53] <toddc> !pro | LuckyLuc
[04:54] <toddc> too late
[06:52] <HentaiMaster> I shall fornicate with the deepest crevices of your soul
[09:57] <akik> i'm unable to update snap store snap. says ubuntu software is running
[09:57] <akik> this is ubuntu 22.04
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> akik: thats a known bug so it seems
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> i have it on 24.04 aswell
[10:02] <akik> lotuspsychje: can i update it from cli?
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> you need to manualy refresh with snap store not launched
[10:03] <akik> # snap refresh
[10:03] <akik> All snaps up to date.
[10:03] <akik> i was looking for update/upgrade
[10:04] <lotuspsychje> akik: did you close snap-store?
[10:05] <akik> lotuspsychje: i closed ubuntu software
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> akik: how about; sudo snap refresh snap-store
[10:06] <akik> error: cannot refresh "snap-store": snap "snap-store" has running apps (ubuntu-software), pids: 3375
[10:07] <akik> ubuntu software is not running (i closed it)
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> killall snap-store
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> thats really an anoying bug..
[10:08] <akik> lotuspsychje: thanks that worked
[10:08] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: ^
[10:10] <akik> so is ubuntu software gui the same thing as snap-store?
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> akik: it is on current ubuntu releases, before it was gnome-software
[10:18] <lotuspsychje> on 24.04 is gonna get called app center, also snap
[10:18] <ogra_> lotuspsychje, 24.04's snap-store shold fix that ... sadly it is by design that gnome-software (the old store) keeps a service running once you started it
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> allrighty, good to know ogra_ : )
[10:19] <ogra_> i never understood why gnome decided it wants to eat your desktop resources after you once installed a single app usign their gui
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> gnome software was pretty slow too
[10:25] <akik> so it's not going to be fixed for 22.04 ?
[10:27] <kjetilho> so - stick to using GNOME Software?
[10:28] <akik> so no?
[10:28] <kjetilho> I don't know, I just wondered if that was a possible solution based on the explanation from ogra_
[10:33] <hwaet> hello. ubuntu just offered me an update, and then it directed me to a paid version of ubuntu to complete the update
[10:33] <hwaet> are the days of free ubuntu going to die soon
[10:34] <hwaet> a lot of people would pay for ubuntu if it became paid only. but it would be disappointing
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> hwaet: wich ubuntu release are you on?
[10:48] <hwaet> 22.04
[10:48] <hwaet> 22.04.4
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> hwaet: you probably see bug #2047778
[10:49] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 2047778 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Software Updater unable to cancel Ubuntu Pro upgrade" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2047778
[10:49] <hwaet> ok so it's a bug
[10:49] <hwaet> thanks
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> hwaet: ubuntu pro gives you 5 machines for free, so its not really paid
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> but the greyed out packages is not really what needs to be happening
[12:05] <aog> don't understand why the script I've put in /etc/network/if-up.d is not executed after reboot, any way to troubleshoot?
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:56] <stevessss> so.. systemd messages.. if I ever see over 1 minute on a bootup item out of "no limit" and it doesn't show a percent progress and no completion indicators other than how long an item has been running, or if its been on the same indicator for over 1-2 minutes I tend to reboot feel the computer is frozen
[12:57] <stevessss> I feel time passed should not be a sole-progres indicator unless there is a known time by which any boot-task or install task shoudl be finished by reliably
[13:00] <ogra_> you should file a bug upstream then 🙂
[13:02] <stevessss> yeah.. I think in general ubuntu could be friendlier at diagnosing sata-link and hard drive and other hardware errors more gradefully... like if a journald block takes more than 10s to write or resets a few times it should show a user a list of possible causes in the first minute rather than retrying for 1 hour
[13:02] <stevessss> and if hardware is good then it needs to boot in 1-min for most users every time after bios-posts
[13:03] <stevessss> and if it takes 10 mins for a step but is completing it needs a realistic progress-bar
[13:04] <stevessss> badly-traced and improperly traced issues with messages having little to nothign to do with their underlying cause give linux user-friendliness a bad rap.. it has improved a lot in the last 10-15 years since the 90's but still elements of that bad-rap are there
[13:14] <leftyfb> stevessss: linux does a LOT better job with error messages than other OS's. The other benefit is, it's all open source. So you can create the change you want
[14:35] <szstr> i want a linukkz daystro where all ersions are 1.0 a' all aughware
[14:35] <szstr> systemd tried to do it then ensnare the irebox ersion number behind snagd
[14:37] <szstr> i think we should start a rawject to release all numbers as one dot zero
[14:37] <szstr> i might be thinking a' busyboks
[14:54] <p3lim> I need to test dependency patterns, I kinda want to test something like the following:  apt list 'python3 (>= 3.11)'
[14:54] <p3lim> any clue how I can do this?
[15:38] <sayan_> hi
[15:38] <sayan_> hi
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> welcome sayan_
[15:39] <sayan_> how are uoy
[15:39] <sayan_> how are you
[15:39] <lotuspsychje> sayan_: how can we help you today?
[15:40] <sayan_> who are you...?
[15:41] <lotuspsychje> sayan_: this is the ubuntu support channel you joined here; you can ask ubuntu related questions in this channel
[15:42] <sayan_> you are Ai....??
[15:42] <sayan_> you are Ai....??
[16:40] <Guest6468> Hi all, I'm on Ubuntu 22.04 Have this Dell monitor with DisplayPort and HDMI ports - works with HDMI, but when I connect with Displayport the display goes blank after the very initial stages  of the boot process, I do see some lines being printed but then nothing but a blank screen - any hints how to solve this ? TIA
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> Guest6468: graphics driver loaded correctly? check sudo lshw -C video
[16:44] <Guest6468> lotuspsychje, I use the default driver for the builtin intel GPU (don't have a graphics card)
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> Guest6468: and the displayport cable is original too, no hdmi adapter to DP?
[16:46] <Guest6468> lotuspsychje, I've tested the cable and monitor DP port are both fine
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> blindCommissionr:  allrighty, lets try this; type journalctl -f in a terminal and plug out/back in your DP cable
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> and see if we can catch useful errors
[16:48] <blindCommissionr> let me try that lotuspsychje thanks for your help
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> then paste all the output you get at dpaste.com
[16:53] <blindCommissionr> lotuspsychje, https://dpaste.com/B2V4PBXDY
[16:55] <blindCommissionr> lotuspsychje, is it this line here maybe ?"unable to get EDID for xrandr-DP-1-1: unable to get EDID for output"
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> blindCommissionr: i would rather suspect, kernel: i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] *ERROR* Step 2 of creating MST payload for 00000000bcddbb9e failed: -5
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> blindCommissionr: wich kernel version are you on?
[16:57] <blindCommissionr> errm how do I check that ? I'm on 22.04 LTS
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> uname -a
[16:58] <blindCommissionr> 6.5.0-25-generic #25~22.04.1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue Feb 20 16:09:15 UTC 2 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> ok you're already on HWE kernel so that most up to date
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> blindCommissionr: wich desktop brand is this?
[16:59] <blindCommissionr> it's definitely something on my system, as the monitor works fine with a windows laptop
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> hmm ok
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> blindCommissionr: coud you share your full 'dmesg' log please
[17:00] <blindCommissionr> lotuspsychje, desktop brand? oh hmm it's a custom built by me... 10 year old or thereabout
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> blindCommissionr: i was just wondering if your bios has a setting to switch hdmi to DP
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> did you ever had your DP port working on this system?
[17:04] <blindCommissionr> lotuspsychje, I would think so but can't be sure
[17:05] <blindCommissionr> also lotuspsychje it's been a while since I dabble in these dmesg thingy... what the most practical way to extract that ? logs app on ubuntu ?
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> blindCommissionr: you can type sudo dmesg in a terminal or find them in /var/log/dmesg
[17:08] <rawhideron> hello
[17:09] <blindCommissionr> lotuspsychje, here the dmesg: https://dpaste.com/F5KHKAUBV
[17:09] <lotuspsychje> checking
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> blindCommissionr: ok so your mobo/system is an ASUS All Series/Z97I-PLUS, BIOS 0319 04/23/2014
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> blindCommissionr: maybe you could check if there are newer bios updates for your mobo
[17:16] <blindCommissionr> lotuspsychje, i can try searching for that yes. do you think it's lack of bios support ?
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> blindCommissionr: no, im not certain of your root cause yet, maybe its a kernel/ intel drm thing not sure
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> blindCommissionr: but on your side, you can try see if there's a bios update + check your bios settings anything related hdmi/Displayport
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> once we rule that out, we could dig for other causes
[17:17] <blindCommissionr> lotuspsychje, I had a look before on the BIOS and saw nothing relating to video
[17:17] <blindCommissionr> nothing in the way of options
[17:17] <blindCommissionr> check for latest bios version on the mobo
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> your dmesg spams a lot of usb errors too
[17:18] <blindCommissionr> yes I know
[17:18] <blindCommissionr> have no idea why
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> but unrelated to your issue
[17:20] <blindCommissionr> lotuspsychje, theres a bios dates from March 2016, mine is from 2014...
[17:20] <blindCommissionr> lotuspsychje, theres a bios dating from March 2016, mine is from 2014...
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> yeah try that blindCommissionr
[17:21] <blindCommissionr> omg goinf down the rabbithole... never done a BIOS update before
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> !biosupdate
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> blindCommissionr: think you can do it via usb==>bios too http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA1150/Z97I-PLUS/E9272_Z97I-PLUS.pdf
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> blindCommissionr: another idea could be testing xorg vs wayland at your ubuntu login screen
[17:41] <blindCommissionr> lotuspsychje, test how? something like: at login screen choose Xorg or Wayland, then choose input port at monitor to see if it works?
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> blindCommissionr: yes, default 22.04 logs in to wayland, log back out and go pick xorg + your DP port/cable
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> yes for a test
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> *just
[17:42] <blindCommissionr> not sure now (after so many tests) if i've done that already :-) can try it again....
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> any step we can rule out is good to find your root cause
[17:43] <blindCommissionr> I guess yeah
[17:43] <blindCommissionr> I'll report back soon
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> good luck
[18:17] <blindCommissionr> back lotuspsychje , Xorg vs Wayland makes no difference, BIOS updated, and still no difference
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> blindCommissionr: allright, tnx for testing that all, lets see if a previous kernel can make a difference
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> blindCommissionr: allright, tnx for testing that all, lets see if a previous kernel can make a difference
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> blindCommissionr: reboot and enter grub, from there pick an ubuntu previous kernel version lower then 6.5
[18:20] <blindCommissionr> uhhh hmmm I boot directly to this, I somehow disabled grub... any idea how to bring it back ?
[18:21] <blindCommissionr> to this... lol! to ubuntu I meant
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> blindCommissionr: you can always enter grub with hitting shift or ESC
[18:21] <blindCommissionr> hmmm not so sure about that... I'll try
[18:23] <blindCommissionr> found out that grub has timeout=0, changing that
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> ok
[18:39] <daft>  https://youtu.be/KTrcwWo3zuE?si=vxsZaV2K975WgUfD demo of my phone system. running partually on ubuntu
[18:39] <daft> oeps not #offtopic sorry.
[18:54] <blindCommissionr> lotuspsychje, so after figuring out how to enable grup saw that I only have two kernel versions... previous one very minor version below, honestly I don't think that will make any difference... :-/
[18:55] <blindCommissionr> I may try... booting some bootable distro... just to ensure a clean system (of sorts)...
[18:56] <blindCommissionr> if that detects the DP monitor fine... then maybe time for a clean re-install...
[19:12] <blindCommissionr> lotuspsychje, still thre ?
[19:12] <blindCommissionr> lotuspsychje, still there ?
[19:41] <vancaul> hello
[20:08] <tomreyn> blindCommissionr: i have not followed the full chat. but at the time you dumped the dmesg at https://dpaste.com/F5KHKAUBV you were running a pre-release BIOS version, BIOS 0319 04/23/2014 wthe latest is Version 2704 5.43 MB 2016/03/31.
[20:10] <tomreyn> https://www.asus.com/supportonly/z97i-plus/helpdesk_bios/ lists the latest, and, when you expand it, all previously supported bios releases. note that there was a versioning change when support for 5th gen intel core CPUs was introduced.
[20:11] <tomreyn> the version you have now is older than the first release version listed there
[20:14] <tomreyn> blindCommissionr: i would definitely look into upgrading the mainboard firmware (bios) before you spend any more time on attempting to debug this issue at the software / OS layer.
[22:21] <kubast2> Hey, how can I whitelist a directory to firefox snap?
[22:21] <kubast2> I've an html file in /opt
[22:22] <kubast2> I know that I can just copy the help document from /opt to /home just looking for something that still integrated with the application openning relelvant help pages
[22:23] <cbreak_> kubast2: the only thing that I found working was to uninstall the snap firefox and install the one from the firefox ppa, which obviously is a very radical solution
[22:27] <kubast2> I see I guess this also fixes firefox not using the system cursor in kubuntu
[22:44] <kubast2> Found mozilla.org's deb repo
[22:59] <JanC> cbreak_: better to use the official (=supported) Mozilla repo than the PPA on Launchpad
[23:00] <cbreak_> I'm using the one from "Maintainer: Ubuntu Mozilla Team <ubuntu-mozillateam@lists.ubuntu.com>"
[23:01] <cbreak_> that's a different one?
[23:01] <cbreak_> hmm... looks like it is: deb https://ppa.launchpadcontent.net/mozillateam/ppa/ubuntu/ lunar main
[23:04] <JanC> that one is not officially supported, unlike https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux#w_install-firefox-deb-package-for-debian-based-distributions
[23:04] <JanC> cbreak_: ^
[23:06] <cbreak_> nice, thanks
[23:06] <cbreak_> wonder if that's more likely to cause problems with some ubuntu-ism
[23:06] <JanC> officially supported by Mozilla I should say, not by Ubuntu  :)
[23:07] <mcc> Hello, I am trying to run a closed source program. The documentation warns it is only supported on Ubuntu LTS 20.04 (I am on 23.10) Before running it, it asked me to install various ubuntu packages, which all successfully went in *except* lsb, which Ubuntu says doesn't exist/has been obsoleted ( https://files.mastodon.social/media_attachments/files/112/147/483/062/253/445/original/fc83745ea3055908.png ). Following a recommendation on a
[23:07] <mcc> forum, I ran `sudo ln -s /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 /lib64/ld-lsb-x86-64.so.3`, and afterward the program was able to run with no problems. However, manually creating a softlink in /lib64 feels unsafe. Is there some other package that is supposed to be providing this .so?
[23:08] <cbreak_> mcc: have you considered running that program into some LXC container or similar?
[23:08] <rbox> mcc: whats "unsafe" about it
[23:08] <JanC> it should only affect such old applications, I guess
[23:09] <cbreak_> that's what I do with programs I want to isolate for some reason, like them needing ancient system stuff
[23:09] <mcc> rbox: my assumption is altering /lib64 or /usr "behind ubuntu's back" could at some later date confuse ubuntu. like what if later i install the package that is the "real" provider of /lib64/ld-lsb-x86-64.so.3.
[23:10] <rbox> adding in a symlink isn't "alterting" anything
[23:10] <rbox> mcc: it'll overwrite it
[23:10] <rbox> apt-file will tell you what provides a file, if a package does provide it
[23:10] <mcc> cbreak_ i did consider a containerization approach but honestly, i'm not sufficiently familiar with any such tools unless you count VirtualBox. LXC is what you'd recommend?
[23:10] <mcc> There seem to be like a hundred containerizer solutions these days
[23:11] <cbreak_> I'd use LXC, yes
[23:11] <cbreak_> but as you say, there are plenty of alternatives
[23:14] <mcc> I'm sure I should just pick one. Choice paralysis is slowing me down lol
[23:15] <JanC> it seems like there is no package providing /lib64/ld-lsb-x86-64.so.3 in recent Ubuntu (not even in 20.04 I think)?
[23:17] <mcc> janc: Do you know when "lsb" as a package by itself stopped being a thing?
[23:18] <JanC> seems like jammy was the last: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=lsb&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[23:19] <JanC> (some of the lsb-* packages are still there later)