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| sarnold | good morning | 15:29 |
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| eslerm_ | good morning o/ | 15:29 |
| slyon | heyho o/ | 15:32 |
| slyon | Looks like c_paelzer is out... | 15:33 |
| slyon | I can run the meeting. Let me set up my tabs. | 15:33 |
| slyon | #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status | 15:33 |
| meetingology | Meeting started at 15:33:47 UTC. The chair is slyon. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | 15:33 |
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| slyon | Ping for MIR meeting - didrocks joalif slyon sarnold cpaelzer jamespage ( eslerm dviererbe ) | 15:33 |
| slyon | #topic current component mismatches | 15:33 |
| slyon | Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams | 15:33 |
| slyon | #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg | 15:33 |
| slyon | #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg | 15:34 |
| slyon | *trace* got re-assigned within Foundations this week and is actively being worked on this pulse. | 15:34 |
| slyon | bpf* Got security ACK. Needs double-checking by cpaelzer to validate the MIR remarks are resolved | 15:35 |
| slyon | jaraco.text and python-openstacksdk seem ready | 15:35 |
| sarnold | nice nice | 15:36 |
| slyon | Needs an AA for promotion | 15:36 |
| * slyon subscribing ~ubuntu-archive | 15:37 | |
| slyon | gnome-snapshort seems to be ready, too. Already got promoted. | 15:38 |
| slyon | seb128: on the gnome-snapshot MIR: It looks like you demoted "cheese", but it is back in main again. Could you please double-check? | 15:38 |
| slyon | #topic New MIRs | 15:38 |
| slyon | Mission: ensure to assign all incoming reviews for fast processing | 15:38 |
| slyon | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir | 15:39 |
| sarnold | nice catch re cheese | 15:39 |
| seb128 | slyon, I think we need an upload of ubuntu-desktop which didn't happen yet | 15:39 |
| slyon | seb128: ok. I assume your team will be tracking this | 15:39 |
| seb128 | yes | 15:39 |
| slyon | thx! | 15:39 |
| * slyon left a comment on that bug | 15:40 | |
| slyon | bug #2058242 is mostly FYI | 15:40 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2058242 in isc-dhcp (Ubuntu) "Demote isc-dhcp to universe" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2058242 | 15:40 | |
| slyon | Also needs an AA for demotion. ~ubuntu-archive is subscribed. | 15:41 |
| slyon | nothing to do for us | 15:41 |
| slyon | bug #2004442 | 15:41 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2004442 in aom (Ubuntu) "[MIR] aom (dependency of libheif)" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2004442 | 15:41 | |
| slyon | Requested changes got landed in Debian. It should be ready once they land in Ubuntu, but are not a priority right now, IIUC. I'd like to see didrocks' confirmation on this. | 15:42 |
| slyon | #topic Incomplete bugs / questions | 15:42 |
| slyon | Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams | 15:43 |
| slyon | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir | 15:43 |
| slyon | bug #2023971 | 15:43 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2023971 in libmail-dmarc-perl (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libmail-dmarc-perl" [High, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2023971 | 15:43 | |
| slyon | libmail-dmarc-perl is an interesting one. | 15:44 |
| eslerm_ | Security is aiming to complete a review for libemail-mime-perl by Thursday | 15:45 |
| slyon | eslerm_: That's great. thanks! | 15:45 |
| eslerm_ | unless using libmail-dmarc-perl as packaged in proposed is preferred | 15:45 |
| slyon | The only thing remaining IIUC would be the duplication issue: libemail-mime-perl & libmime-tools-perl in main | 15:45 |
| slyon | well well... I don't know. We can make a call between duplicated work because of two similar packages in "main". Or extra work because of carrying non-mainstream patches. | 15:46 |
| sarnold | one of the comments on https://github.com/msimerson/mail-dmarc/pull/217 suggested that the original requirements are also requirements for spamassassin 4.0, so suddenly it feels more plausible to use the original requirements.. | 15:46 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Pull 217 in msimerson/mail-dmarc "use MIME::Entity and MIME::Parser from MIME::Tools instead of Email::MIME" [Open] | 15:46 | |
| slyon | I don't know what's better and would like to deferr that call to the server team, as they own both of those packages. | 15:47 |
| slyon | (CC cpaelzer ^) | 15:47 |
| slyon | sarnold: that suggests we should be using libemail-mime-perl after all? | 15:48 |
| sarnold | slyon: yeah. it's a complex choice. | 15:48 |
| slyon | I'll update the case on LP, as I'd like to wait for server-team input | 15:49 |
| sarnold | I was really impressed with mirespace's patch to switch out the dependencies, it looked ideal, but then it felt like we'll eventually need the original packages "soon" anyway.. | 15:49 |
| sarnold | sounds good | 15:49 |
| * slyon commented | 15:52 | |
| slyon | bug #2015538 | 15:52 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2015538 in dbus-broker (Ubuntu) "[MIR] dbus-broker" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2015538 | 15:52 | |
| sarnold | oh lots of conversation since I last looked | 15:53 |
| slyon | turns out there is a hard dependency between dbus-run-session and dbus-daemon. So we cannot do a simple package split | 15:53 |
| slyon | So this needs to be postponed to next cycle, as we need extra engineering time to come up with a solution. | 15:53 |
| slyon | eslerm_: can you clarify your comment on bug #2056099 ? | 15:54 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2056099 in tree (Ubuntu) "[MIR] tree" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2056099 | 15:54 | |
| slyon | Are you saying we don't need security ACK for NN promotion? | 15:54 |
| eslerm_ | this might explain best: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nbd/+bug/2054480/comments/7 | 15:55 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2054480 in nbd (Ubuntu) "[MIR] nbd-client" [Undecided, Incomplete] | 15:55 | |
| eslerm_ | I just wanted to note these for future cycles | 15:55 |
| slyon | I understand for nbd, which was in main for a long time and probably never got security review. | 15:56 |
| slyon | but for src:tree it's a new decision, no? | 15:57 |
| eslerm_ | I'll leave it to Seth if Security wants to review | 15:57 |
| slyon | Oh! It's because of the MIR assessment: "This does not need a security review" | 15:58 |
| eslerm_ | yes :) | 15:58 |
| eslerm_ | I'm not saying we need to review these for NN | 15:58 |
| slyon | joalif: is that something you'd be willing to change for the "tree" MIR? | 15:58 |
| slyon | ok | 15:58 |
| eslerm_ | I just don't want it to be a pattern for OO | 15:58 |
| slyon | joalif: nvm :) | 15:58 |
| slyon | Well it's always a hard call for us MIR reviewers, as we don't have a security background. But we try to rather be safe and ask for security-review if in doubt | 15:59 |
| sarnold | register void *value = malloc (size); | 16:00 |
| eslerm_ | it's understandable :pray: | 16:00 |
| sarnold | oh wow this thing is *ancient* :) | 16:00 |
| sarnold | at least it's using ansi c prototypes, but 'register', I haven't seen that in live code in ages, hehe | 16:01 |
| slyon | eslerm_: sarnold: If you have bad feelings about security-review bypassing of a specific package, please always reach out to the MIR reviewer. We might not always be aware of the side-effects. | 16:01 |
| eslerm_ | ++1 | 16:02 |
| sarnold | ack, thanks slyon | 16:02 |
| slyon | ok. I left a quick comments on the "tree" MIR, as it's still lacking tests | 16:02 |
| slyon | moving on.. | 16:02 |
| slyon | bug #2054480 | 16:02 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2054480 in nbd (Ubuntu) "[MIR] nbd-client" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2054480 | 16:02 | |
| slyon | I'd like to get didrocks opinion on nbd-client, to see if his concerns are resolved. | 16:04 |
| slyon | bug #2048781 | 16:04 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2048781 in authd (Ubuntu) "[MIR] authd" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2048781 | 16:04 | |
| eslerm_ | very nice add to authd didrocks :) | 16:04 |
| slyon | Here Didier added a ncie "cargo-vendor-filterer" tool, to get rid of windows* crates during package build | 16:05 |
| slyon | I think this is a good approach for now, until we can come up with a centralized solution | 16:05 |
| slyon | pending security review. | 16:06 |
| sarnold | awesome <3 | 16:06 |
| slyon | #topic Process/Documentation improvements | 16:06 |
| slyon | Mission: Review pending process/documentation pull-requests or issues | 16:06 |
| slyon | #link https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/pulls | 16:06 |
| slyon | #link https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/issues | 16:06 |
| slyon | only one update to https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/issues/35 | 16:06 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Issue 35 in canonical/ubuntu-mir "RFC: Introduce 'base-sets' for vendored dependencies" [Open] | 16:06 | |
| slyon | which describes the same "cargo-vendor-filterer" solution as above | 16:06 |
| slyon | #topic MIR related Security Review Queue | 16:07 |
| slyon | Mission: Check on progress, do deadlines seem doable? | 16:07 |
| slyon | Some clients can only work with one, some with the other escaping - the URLs point to the same place. | 16:07 |
| slyon | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=%5BMIR%5D&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir | 16:07 |
| slyon | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=[MIR]&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir | 16:07 |
| slyon | Internal link | 16:07 |
| slyon | #link https://warthogs.atlassian.net/jira/software/c/projects/SEC/boards/594 | 16:07 |
| eslerm_ | all assigned security MIRs are in-review (except libemail-mime-perl) | 16:07 |
| eslerm_ | I need to do some wrangling to get them posted | 16:07 |
| eslerm_ | as a reminder, after beta freeze (Monday) Security is not taking new MIRs for noble | 16:07 |
| slyon | thx! Looking pretty good. Kudos to the security-team! | 16:07 |
| slyon | #topic Any other business? | 16:07 |
| sarnold | nothing from me | 16:08 |
| slyon | If nothing else... sorry for running over time and thanks all! | 16:08 |
| eslerm_ | thanks slyon, everyone o/ | 16:08 |
| slyon | #endmeeting | 16:08 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended at 16:08:43 UTC. Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-03-26-15.33.moin.txt | 16:08 |
| sarnold | thanks slyon, eslerm_, seb128 :) | 16:08 |
| didrocks | slyon: I will have a look at aom and nbd-client (but probably next Tuesday morning, I’m off for a few days starting tomorrow midday and I still have a lot to finish before leaving there) | 16:17 |
| slyon | didrocks: thanks, that should be fine. Just leave a comment on the LP bugs whenever you have some time! | 16:18 |
| didrocks | slyon: eslerm_: yeah, quite happy with the finale solution (even if not ideal). I’m happy to liaison on this with the toolchain team during the next sprint | 16:18 |
| didrocks | (regarding Rust vendoring) | 16:18 |
| slyon | That'd be great. You will be a welcome guest at Foundations' room :) | 16:19 |
| didrocks | \o/ | 16:20 |
| amurray | o/ | 19:59 |
| * vorlon waves | 20:00 | |
| vorlon | someone didn't update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda with the chair info :) | 20:00 |
| rbasak | o/ | 20:01 |
| seb128 | hey | 20:01 |
| amurray | oops - yep, rbasak you're it according to https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-03-12-20.03.html | 20:01 |
| rbasak | OK | 20:02 |
| rbasak | #startmeeting | 20:02 |
| meetingology | Meeting started at 20:02:43 UTC. The chair is rbasak. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | 20:02 |
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| rbasak | #topic Apologies | 20:03 |
| rbasak | No apologies received. | 20:03 |
| rbasak | #topic Action review | 20:03 |
| rbasak | ACTION: seb128/amurray/sil2100 to help drafting the snap-store Ubuntu-specific tracks usage | 20:03 |
| rbasak | ACTION: seb128 to organize a meeting to unblock the draft of the tracks usage section | 20:03 |
| rbasak | These are done I think | 20:04 |
| rbasak | ACTION: rbasak to follow up on finding consensus on question of test plans for third party apps | 20:04 |
| seb128 | thanks rbasak for organizing that meeting! | 20:04 |
| rbasak | This is also done, and my action item now is to update the draft | 20:04 |
| amurray | yep thanks rbasak for organising that, it was super productive | 20:04 |
| rbasak | #action rbasak to update third party repo draft with outcomes from our recent out-of-band meeting | 20:04 |
| meetingology | ACTION: rbasak to update third party repo draft with outcomes from our recent out-of-band meeting | 20:04 |
| rbasak | ACTION: rbasak to open wider discussion on third-party repo policy | 20:04 |
| rbasak | This is pending the previous item | 20:04 |
| rbasak | #action rbasak to open wider discussion on third-party repo policy | 20:04 |
| meetingology | ACTION: rbasak to open wider discussion on third-party repo policy | 20:04 |
| rbasak | ACTION: rbasak to draft a proposal of the DMB-proposed inactivity expiration policy for TB ratification | 20:04 |
| rbasak | This is to carry over | 20:04 |
| rbasak | #action rbasak to draft a proposal of the DMB-proposed inactivity expiration policy for TB ratification | 20:05 |
| meetingology | ACTION: rbasak to draft a proposal of the DMB-proposed inactivity expiration policy for TB ratification | 20:05 |
| rbasak | ACTION: seb128 to continue working with SRU, AA, Release, Backporters and Security teams to document their membership process and link to it from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoard#Team_Delegations | 20:05 |
| rbasak | ACTION: seb128 to follow-up with ubuntu cinnamon on 24.04 request | 20:05 |
| rbasak | ACTION: vorlon to look into scripting for packages in flavor-specific overlays | 20:05 |
| rbasak | ^ any progress on these three please? | 20:05 |
| vorlon | none from me | 20:05 |
| rbasak | #action vorlon to look into scripting for packages in flavor-specific overlays | 20:05 |
| meetingology | ACTION: vorlon to look into scripting for packages in flavor-specific overlays | 20:05 |
| seb128 | first one to carry over | 20:05 |
| rbasak | #action seb128 to continue working with SRU, AA, Release, Backporters and Security teams to document their membership process and link to it from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoard#Team_Delegations | 20:05 |
| meetingology | ACTION: seb128 to continue working with SRU, AA, Release, Backporters and Security teams to document their membership process and link to it from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoard#Team_Delegations | 20:05 |
| seb128 | cinnamon I did a call for vote | 20:06 |
| rbasak | Ah. Are we waiting on votes still | 20:06 |
| rbasak | ? | 20:06 |
| seb128 | yes | 20:06 |
| rbasak | We have two +1s | 20:06 |
| rbasak | vorlon: do you have an opinion please? | 20:06 |
| seb128 | only alex voted afaik | 20:06 |
| seb128 | I mean in reply to my email/vote | 20:07 |
| vorlon | I think the flavor is better served by me at the moment continuing to work on ensuring they can have a successful beta rather than voting | 20:07 |
| vorlon | I'll pick this up after Wednesday | 20:07 |
| rbasak | OK. Let's leave this for now then. | 20:07 |
| rbasak | #topic Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed (standing item) | 20:07 |
| rbasak | I don't see anything apart from the DMB election planning thread which I think has enough votes to proceed. | 20:08 |
| rbasak | FTR, I also (obviously since I proposed it) vote +1, if it matters. | 20:08 |
| rbasak | #agreed The DMB election can proceed as proposed | 20:08 |
| meetingology | AGREED: The DMB election can proceed as proposed | 20:08 |
| rbasak | #info No other outstanding ML items | 20:09 |
| rbasak | #topic Check up on community bugs and techboard bugs | 20:09 |
| rbasak | #info No open community bugs | 20:09 |
| rbasak | #info No new techboard bugs | 20:09 |
| rbasak | #topic Select a chair for the next meeting (next from https://launchpad.net/~techboard/+members) | 20:09 |
| rbasak | #info Next chair will be seb128, with vorlon as backup | 20:10 |
| vorlon | ack | 20:10 |
| rbasak | #topic AOB | 20:10 |
| rbasak | AOB? | 20:10 |
| amurray | nothing from me | 20:10 |
| seb128 | not from me | 20:10 |
| rbasak | OK. Thanks all! | 20:11 |
| rbasak | #endmeeting | 20:11 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended at 20:11:21 UTC. Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-03-26-20.02.moin.txt | 20:11 |
| seb128 | thanks rbasak, an efficient meeting! | 20:11 |
| rbasak | yw! | 20:13 |
| rbasak | amurray, vorlon in particular, but also maybe relevant for the others: note that the agenda states "London time" and so the next meeting will be presumably in DST and therefore will shift relative to UTC. | 20:14 |
| rbasak | (is that correct?) | 20:14 |
| vorlon | yes that will be helpful to me, I currently have a conflict with a standup ): | 20:19 |
| vorlon | :) | 20:19 |
| vorlon | (because of the US already switching) | 20:19 |
| vorlon | taking aac-tactics | 20:20 |
| vorlon | heh | 20:29 |
| amurray | yep I'll try to remember to wake up an hour earlier next time | 20:34 |
| amurray | oh it will be 2 hours earlier since DST ends here too | 20:35 |
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