[02:51] <Mickey-D> Hi follks, I am new to this Linux OS, but it seems like I can be more secure and as well as the Linux platform internet and everything else is so much quicker than Chrome OS is. Therein lies the quandry of my reason to ask this question.As I said above I have absolutely no experience with Linux, and I am finding This OS is a bit tricky and not
[02:51] <Mickey-D> compatible with every other Os is. Leave it to me to get this instead of a Windows based laptop, but it is outside the return for refund time.
[02:51] <Mickey-D> I did however have some experience with basic and basic a when I was in  college, This was a trade school and my choice of study was electronics engineering. Seeing as though it was back in 1985-1987 there was no such thing as windows. Therefore I am familiar with flow charts, and some behind the sceens type of programming. Dos 6.1 whas awesome
[02:51] <Mickey-D> when it came out. LOL!
[02:51] <Mickey-D> I have Linux enabled and have been tinkering a bit with different browsers and Etc... Then I came upon the Konqueror Browser. I like it and found that it very fast. It keeps up with my 1Gb internet service. None of my other browsers do.
[02:51] <Mickey-D> I'm sorry for writing a book, but if you have made it this far I commend you. Since you have gotten this far, I hope you can answer a few questions I have about kubuntu and the Plasma desktop.
[02:52] <arraybolt3_> Mickey-D: You seem to have posted enough for the anti-flood bot to mute you for a sec. Sorry about that, it should unmute you soon.
[02:52] <arraybolt3_> But I should be able to help answer some questions if you'd like.
[02:52] <arraybolt3_> ^ you're unmuted
[02:53] <gimbleguy> lol
[02:54] <Mickey-D> Did you see my questions
[02:54] <gimbleguy> you got muted, you might need to post your questions again
[02:55] <Mickey-D> did you see my questions or wsas all of that for nothiung?
[02:55] <gimbleguy> I saw everything else besides your questions
[02:55] <arraybolt3> The bot muted you juts before the questions came through, thus they got lost.
[02:55] <Mickey-D> OK Here goes nothing...
[02:56] <oerheks> seems like cut/paste, do this on a pastebin
[02:56] <arraybolt3> paste the questions into dpaste.com, make a new paste, and send the link, that'll bypass the bot
[02:58] <Mickey-D> 1 I have an ASUS Chromebook Vibe entry level gamer's Chromebook, can you tell me if I can use Ubuntu or kubuntu on this and still keep Chrome OS?
[02:59] <Mickey-D> i don't have any idea what you're talking about. My first time here
[02:59] <arraybolt3> Mickey-D: oooh, that's a tough one to answer, it will depend on the exact model of Chromebook you have.
[02:59] <oerheks> seems so, https://www.asus.com/support/faq/1048066/
[02:59] <oerheks> Select [Developers]④, and then click [Turn on]⑤ next to the Linux development environment item.
[02:59] <arraybolt3> oerheks: that's for enabling Chrome OS's builtin Debian VM.
[03:00] <arraybolt3> It won't give you Ubuntu, and from personal experience it won't give you a very good Linux experience. You won't be able to run a desktop with that, though graphical apps will work (possibly slowly).
[03:00] <oerheks> oh
[03:00] <arraybolt3> It's a stop-gap if nothing else works though.
[03:00] <oerheks> so that road is closed..
[03:01] <arraybolt3> Mickey-D: Are there any specific version numbers on the machine that might help me figure out its exact model?
[03:01] <Mickey-D> ASUS Chromebook Vibe CX55 Flip (CX5501, 11th Gen Intel)
[03:01] <Mickey-D> But I think it is a 10 not 11th
[03:01] <arraybolt3> Some Chromebooks support having their firmware flashed with a UEFI BIOS, which then allows you to install Linux directly. You can put Chrome OS Flex on it alongside most likely, which won't be *identical* to the original Chrome OS install, but it will be pretty close.
[03:02] <Mickey-D> it has an i5 processor
[03:02] <arraybolt3> sadly it looks like that Chromebook is not yet supported for firmware modding.
[03:02] <arraybolt3> https://mrchromebox.tech/#devices the CX34 is supported, but not the CX55.
[03:03] <Mickey-D> I do have the debian platform on penguin if that helps you any
[03:03] <arraybolt3> It's about the closest you'll get to running Linux on this machine I think, at least until the unofficial firmware mod comes out for it.
[03:04] <Mickey-D> I don't want to mod my firmwafe. That is way beyond my capabilities and I would likely brick it. And that's no good
[03:04] <arraybolt3> it is a bit scary :P I've done it several times without bricking, but... yeah.
[03:04] <Mickey-D> I have Linux enabled and can use the terminal
[03:05] <arraybolt3> Sadly the firmware Chromebooks use is incompatible with pretty much any OS except for Chrome OS. And Chrome OS's VM stuff isn't able to run a full desktop Linux distro.
[03:05] <arraybolt3> Now there is one potential other solution...
[03:05] <Mickey-D> OK
[03:06] <arraybolt3> meh, that won't work very well
[03:06] <arraybolt3> Parallels Desktop sells VM software that works on Chrome OS that *would* let you run a desktop distro most likely, but they don't sell it to individuals yet, only to businesses.
[03:06] <Mickey-D> I installed flatpack too
[03:07] <Mickey-D> but the software selection is very limited
[03:08] <arraybolt3> IMO it's a bit crummy that Google had to choose to integrate Parallels with Chrome OS rather than going the way more obvious route of just using KVM which was free, open-source, and already available in the Linux kernel they were using. But such is life.
[03:09] <Mickey-D> Yeah. Oh well this Chromebook runs like a raped ape. Has 256 memnry nd 8GB RAM
[03:10] <Mickey-D> plus an i5
[03:10] <arraybolt3> (please be mindful of your language here, there may be young individuals who read and participate in this channel)
[03:11] <Mickey-D> I did try and install ubuntu but I did something wrong and had to restart Linux by turning it off and then back to the beginning
[03:13] <Mickey-D> Oh my. I didn't even think of that! I am so sorry. I usually don't use that language, I don't know why I did here either.
[03:13] <oerheks> just wait for someone to fix this
[03:13] <Mickey-D> Can I delete my comment?
[03:14] <oerheks> Not on IRC, sorry
[03:14] <Mickey-D> I'm very sorry
[03:20] <Mickey-D> So, what can I do to run parallel systems. Is there an abundant depository that I could use. I just really want to use this easily. It is almost an instant page load here. But on Chrome on ChromeOS it takes a bout 5 seconds of spinning before it looks like it is evenn doing anything
[03:21] <oerheks> not for the '55
[03:22] <arraybolt3> because it's an business-only thing, the actual installation process is a *mess*: https://www.reddit.com/r/chromeos/comments/rsiioi/comment/hqmnqih/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
[03:22] <arraybolt3> and would cost a decent amount of money
[03:22] <arraybolt3> you can probably just buy a used laptop for cheaper
[03:22] <Mickey-D> How am I able to run some apps from flatpack and this konqueror browser
[03:23] <arraybolt3> ChromeOS's built-in Linux environment does some fancy magic to allow graphical apps to launch from within the VM.
[03:23] <Mickey-D> I have firefox for linus as well as Chrome and the chromium browser too
[03:23] <arraybolt3> The penguin terminal is an LXC container inside a virtual machine (don't ask why, nobody but Google knows why they did both) that has a bunch of weird stuff going on to make it integrate halfway-well with Chrome OS.
[03:24] <arraybolt3> So you can't run a full DE, but you can run individual graphical apps.
[03:24] <oerheks> vendor-lock-in
[03:25] <Mickey-D> I am so new to lunux I do not really understand what you mean except I am screwed
[03:25] <oerheks> jups
[03:25] <arraybolt3> Basically you can run Linux apps, even GUI apps, but you can't run a full linux desktop, and installing any version of Linux other than the Google-provided one is a *pain*.
[03:26] <arraybolt3> Still, the Google-provided Linux development environment may let you learn a lot, and you can get a used machine for fairly cheap later on that will let you run Linux hopefully without too much headache.
[03:26] <Mickey-D> Instead of running a side by side OS is there a good depository for LXC apps then. Flatpack doesn't really have a very good selection
[03:27] <arraybolt3> If you're looking for more apps, you could install the Snap store inside the Linux environment.
[03:27] <arraybolt3> `sudo apt install snap` should get you started
[03:27] <oerheks> snapd
[03:27] <arraybolt3> `sudo apt install snapd`, sorry
[03:28] <Mickey-D> OK TY
[03:28] <arraybolt3> You can then browse for apps on https://snapcraft.io/, and install them with `sudo snap install appname` (replacing "appname" with the name of the app).
[03:28] <Mickey-D> Will you still help me get into it and etc... for a little while?
[03:28] <arraybolt3> Do be cautious, the Snapcraft store isn't thoroughly vetted, so you'll usually want to only install apps that have a star or a checkmark next to their name.
[03:29] <oerheks> trust the owner
[03:29] <oerheks> same as with flatpak
[03:29] <arraybolt3> https://i.imgur.com/MClzIyB.png (shows you where the checkmark is)
[03:29] <Mickey-D> yes I read that somewhere
[03:30] <oerheks> newest, usually a bad idea, unless you have a reason to do so
[03:30] <Mickey-D> So, what should I do first
[03:30] <oerheks> stable
[03:30] <arraybolt3> start with `sudo apt install snapd`, then go from there
[03:30] <oerheks> and have fun
[03:30] <Mickey-D> yes only want the stable versions
[03:31] <Mickey-D> That's the other thing. I want to play around with it, but I want to stay within my lanes
[03:32] <Mickey-D> So your help is greatly appreciated
[03:33] <Mickey-D> If I have more questions later, Is there a waay to talk to either or both of you again for help, so I don't have to start at the beginning again?
[03:33] <Mickey-D> Maybe as a mentor HEHE
[03:34] <Mickey-D> I'm a 56 year old disabled man who used to be very sharp and computer saavy.
[03:36] <Mickey-D> but part of my injury is a head injury that has affected my thinking abilities. So it takes a little bit for me to get the concepts sometimes.
[03:36] <arraybolt3> Mickey-D: We're usually both in this channel :)
[03:36] <arraybolt3> also neither of us are guaranteed to be around all the time so just asking here is usually going to be faster.
[03:37] <Mickey-D> OK. That'll work I guess!
[03:38] <Mickey-D> should I do a sudo apt update and sudo apt upgrade after installing snapd?
[03:44] <arraybolt3> meh, that'll just give you system app updates, so it's not really necessary.
[03:44] <arraybolt3> You might do it just to make sure your Linux environment is up-to-date though..
[03:50] <Mickey-D> pretty sure it is but good idea to check anyways i guess. i'll do it first
[03:50] <VanUnamed> i feel bad.
[03:50] <Mickey-D> Thank you guys!
[03:50] <VanUnamed> it's like, i almost yielded to accepting the new kde as OK.
[03:50] <Mickey-D> why
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[10:07] <kingthegreat2> Why when I go and connect to wifi
[10:07] <kingthegreat2> It says
[10:08] <kingthegreat2> Supplicant failed
[11:18] <VanUnamed> i tried many things
[11:18] <VanUnamed> and still said "supplicant failt"
 vanUnamed does the terminal command "lshw -class network" list any network adapters?
[13:00] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:07] <VanUnamed> IrcsomeBot: yes
 Hmm well in this case the system recognizes that a network card is present but it is not available to kubuntu for some reason. You might need additional drivers or the network adapter could be turned off for some reason or another, requiring a command or config to turn it on.
[14:16] <VanUnamed> it used to work just fine before. i rebooted, and thats what happened.
[14:16] <VanUnamed> i did install updates though
[14:16] <VanUnamed> i can see networks. when i give it the passowrd it says that
 hmm the update probably broke some configs. I'm not an expert on these matters so I'd just suggest searching for "ubuntu no network after update". You could try searching for kubuntu related posts as well
[14:54] <BluesKaj> VanUnamed, try sudo dhclient in the terminal....doesn't always work but it's worth a try
[15:05] <BluesKaj> gotta go... TTYL
[20:03] <szstr> i need my lightt3 sergher to get the ability to ukload .zi3 thingies to my sergher somehow with cgi und bash
[20:04] <szstr> common gateway ayntragase
[20:07] <arraybolt3> Not sure I understand what you're trying to do? If this is an Ubuntu-related problem and you're running Ubuntu Server, you might try asking in #ubuntu-server for help. (Note that only Ubuntu Server is supported there, other server OSes are not.) Also I'm not able to understand what "upload .zi3 thingies" means, nor do I understand "common gateway ayntragase".
[20:07] <arraybolt3> what are .zi3 thingies?
[21:54] <Guest4921> tim