[07:44] <elhoir> hello RikMills lotuspsychje may i?
[07:44] <elhoir> good morning btw
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> morning
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> may i what?
[07:45] <elhoir> ask xd
[07:45] <elhoir> my problem seems to be with there two libraries - libelf1t64 and libllvm17t64
[07:46] <elhoir> apt seys they conflict with their respective non "t64" packages
[07:46] <elhoir> that is, libelf1 and libllvm17
[07:46] <elhoir> apt says, sorry
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> the devs are still busy sorting things on noble elhoir 
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> think we need patience 
[07:47] <elhoir> so it may be normal?
[07:47] <elhoir> ok then
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> right now there are a lot of apt conflicts going caused by this yeah
[07:47] <elhoir> aaaaaaha
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> rik explained that ysterday right
[07:48] <elhoir> okay, great to know
[07:49] <elhoir> thank you so much, and sorry
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> np
[07:50] <elhoir> at least i have been able to boot into normal mode :) no more recovery mode
[07:54] <guiverc> elhoir, just FYI, but the xz/libzma (xz-utils) exploration is also happening this long-weekend so devs are busy..  ( https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/xz-liblzma-security-update/43714 )
[07:56] <elhoir> i read something about it, but i have no warnings about any xz / lzma package
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> should be in your updates
[07:56] <elhoir> ok
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> but maybe something else blocks your apt first
[07:59] <elhoir> yeah, the "t64" thing
[07:59] <elhoir> its very annoying
[07:59] <elhoir> and i dont know where is the root cause
[08:00] <elhoir> this is the laptop where i faced the radeon bug in mesa, i updated mesa packages manually via dpkg and mess happened
[08:01] <elhoir> in the other computer i had no problems with the bug as it uses amdgpu, not radeon
[08:01] <elhoir> and everything seems ok
[08:04] <elhoir> well.. i mean... no apt -f install needed
[13:49] <elhoir> lotuspsychje, i have this, i guess that is the fixed package --> https://pastebin.com/02Mm2t8f
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> yeah it is elhoir i got that update yesterday
[13:50] <elhoir> ok
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> elhoir: just installing new packages on noble will be tricky for a while, aka dependency conflicts
[13:51] <elhoir> heheh, tell me :P
[13:52] <elhoir> https://pastebin.com/PpwhWz4y
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> elhoir: normaly your apt should be clean by now, give no errors so that means your dpkg mess aint solved yet
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> did you check your sources.list.d ?
[13:58] <lotuspsychje> elhoir: what you can try to do, if you are sure your ppa's are removed + packages too is dpkg forced purge your mesa packages
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> (with the risk of not be able to reinstall them, due the xz cleanups)
[14:01] <elhoir> i can do a "apt full upgrade" but mostly all GUI system goes away
[14:01] <elhoir> only console is left
[14:01] <elhoir> let me show yo the result
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> elhoir: then you can try recoverymode from grub with networking enabled=> drop to a rootshell
[14:02] <elhoir> ah nah, i cant do it now - dependencies again
[14:03] <elhoir> https://pastebin.com/3yLcDuUf
[14:03] <elhoir> same again and again
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> elhoir: did you read what i just said?
[14:04] <elhoir> lotuspsychje, what ppas should i disable? all of them?
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> we already talked about this, revert your ppa's to the vanilla ubuntu sources
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> !sources
[14:06] <elhoir> thy aready are vanilla ubuntu sources :)
[14:06] <elhoir> they*
[14:06] <elhoir> i took packages from the launchpad webpage and installed via dpkg
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> yeah but you still got packages leftovers from it
[14:07] <elhoir> sorry i tont understand "packages leftovers"
[14:07] <elhoir> i dont*
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> elhoir: your apt output shows your conflicts, meaning whatever you did conflicts with the packages on the ubuntu sources
[14:09] <elhoir> aham
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> elhoir: wich guide did you follow anyway regarding mesa?
[14:09] <elhoir> no guide
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> elhoir: then explain what you did exactly?
[14:10] <elhoir> i checked installed packages with "apt list --installed | grep mesa" 
[14:10] <elhoir> then searched for them in launchpad 
[14:10] <elhoir> downloaded and installed via dpkg
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> wich launchpad
[14:10] <elhoir> this --> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa
[14:11] <elhoir> firts i took packages from -proposed
[14:11] <elhoir> but not now, they are in -release
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> elhoir: whatever packages you downloaded and installed from the ppa', try to dpkg purge forced
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> dpkg --purge --force-all your-packagename-here
[14:17] <elhoir> sh*t
[14:17] <elhoir> oki will try later
[16:31] <ChmEarl> t64 lib packages are appearing in proposed again (400+)
[17:05] <elhoir> ChmEarl, awesome news!
[17:45] <elhoir> er... can anyone explain one weird thing?
[17:45] <elhoir> for example, libllvm17t64 - it IS here --> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=all&section=all&arch=any&keywords=libllvm17t64&searchon=names
[17:46] <elhoir> but NOT here ---> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libllvm17t64
[17:46] <elhoir> wtf
[18:09] <webchat77> Hey, I just tried to install ubuntu-desktop but it seems like gnome-shell has some dependency issues due to there only being a 45.3 which requires yaru-theme-gnome-shell that breaks with gnome-shell < 46
[18:12] <elhoir> webchat77, there are dependencies issues everywhere in noble now
[18:13] <webchat77> oh ok so I will just wait until its updated
[18:13] <elhoir> yup
[18:13] <webchat77> nice thanks
[21:39] <mhansi12> I am trying to install ubuntu server 24.04 via a bootstrap environment, similar as descibed at https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Getting%20Started/Ubuntu/Ubuntu%2022.04%20Root%20on%20ZFS.html.
[21:39] <mhansi12> My current problem with this version:
[21:39] <mhansi12> debootstrap installes only a small list of required packages. Package List for this release has to be updated.
[21:39] <mhansi12> (I am using the Ubuntu daily-live ISO for AMD64 from 29 March 2024):
[21:40] <mhansi12> only 37 .deb packages will be installed with current, with "22.04" there about 200 backages ( amount many others "bash" will not be installed" )
[21:58] <Bashing-om> mhansi12: See https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/whats-happening-in-noble-repositories/43729 - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2024-March/042955.html?_ga=2.44859044.1494544449.1700780807-1801317718.1696462138 . Currently our builders advise "don’t use Noble in production right now."
[21:59] <mhansi12> Thank you for your answer.
[21:59] <mhansi12> Of course - this is only  a test to see what has changes
[22:05] <Bashing-om> mhansi12: in the midst of time_t transition, XZ is Struck By Malicious Code. Really fouled up the works. https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-833/43631 .
[22:06] <mhansi12> Thank you, I think I understand the situation. It is not a good time for such tests  :-)
[22:06] <mhansi12> I know already, how to see if the list of packages for debootstrab is complete again, so I wait  until I see progress