[02:42] <lotuspsychje> something is making windows act strange on noble
[02:43] <lotuspsychje> hexchat cant be clicked anymore when maximized
[02:43] <lotuspsychje> smaller window it still operates
[02:44] <lotuspsychje> i also had issues with terminator window not resizeable and update-manager jumping to background behind other windows
[02:44] <lotuspsychje> so something about layers
[02:44] <lotuspsychje> cant maximize hexchat neither now
[02:54] <lotuspsychje> ruenoak: ^
[03:21] <ruenoak> Hmmm I don't have hexchat in that machine but I will give it a go  
[03:26] <ruenoak> Installed hexchat and it seems to be working, both hexchat and terminator don't support clientside decorations 
[03:26] <ruenoak> I wonder if that has anything to do with it?
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> possibly yeah
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> !info vlc
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> 2024-04-07 09:14:17 remove vlc-bin:amd64 3.0.20-3build6 <none>
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> vlc got removed after updates?
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> (on -desktop)
[13:09] <howarth> What is the deal with 'do-release-upgrade -d' not seeing 24.04? I downloaded the live installer from pending for noble numbat and it looks really good at this point. Only a small subset of packages needed to be upgraded and nothing was left in proposed to be installed.
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> howarth: beta has been pushed to a later date
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> the devs still working on a lot of things
[13:12] <howarth> But it is completely abnormal for them to turn off 'do-release-upgrade -d'. I don't believe that has ever happened before
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> howarth: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/whats-happening-in-noble-repositories/43729/28
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> im not sure they disabled it, but i assume they did
[13:14] <howarth> Hopefully they remember to turn it back on as they put a week pause on building live images so the mass rebuild appears to have been completed
[13:14] <howarth> The last live image was from 3/28 and now we have two (on in release and one in pending).
[13:15] <howarth> As far as I can see, they have everything moved over for the beta at this point. One would hope so as they had nothing else to do in the week when then machines were just rebuilding binaries.
[13:16] <guiverc> howarth, the daily ISOs can be seeon on the ISO tracker; you'll note multiple ISOs geenrated on 7-April  b
[13:16] <guiverc> https://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/450/builds
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> think next week more action will be seen towards betas
[13:18] <howarth> Yes, I was playing with the 20240407.2 live image which only needed trivial updates and nothing from proposed
[13:19] <howarth> It would be interesting to know how the 'do-release-upgrade -d' mechanism got turned off
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> howarth: feel free to ask that if its the case in #ubuntu-release
[13:20] <howarth> Do they tweak update-manager-core to turn that off or is that just done on the server by masking the existance of a devel release entirely
[13:21] <howarth> Hmm, guess not update-manager-core as that hasn't been touched since 2023
[16:10] <tomreyn> howarth: https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-development
[16:11] <tomreyn> points to mantic (23.10)
[16:12] <tomreyn> (in response to your 'do-release-upgrade -d' question)
[16:25] <howarth> the time stamp doesn't make a lot of sense
[16:27] <howarth> I distinctly remember using 'do-release-upgrade -d' to go to 23.10 at or before the RC on Oct 5th
[16:28] <howarth> Also, I am pretty sure that in the past 'do-release-upgrade -d' was functional through the complete devel cycle
[16:28] <howarth> whether it succeeded was a different issue 
[16:42] <howarth> Dropped back to 24.04 and confirmed that 'do-release-upgrade -d' is broken for the last LTS release to upgrade to the current development release
[16:43] <howarth> They must have explicitly removed the develop release's visibility to the update manager due to the security rebuild
[16:45] <howarth> Hopefully they will remember to re-expose the development build for use with 'do-release-upgrade -d' as has been historically the case
[17:18] <howarth> filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/2060394 to remind them to stop hiding the development release now that the mass rebuild is completed and live images are being built again
[17:19] -ubottu:#ubuntu-next- Launchpad bug 2060394 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "do-release-upgrade -d currently non-functional" [Undecided, New]
[21:12] <howarth> Got a dist-upgrade to work on mantic to noble by using the debian method rather than do-release-upgrade -d
[21:12] <howarth> Apparently it has been broken long before the xz rebuild
[21:14] <howarth> The only twitch was that, since I use secure-boot, installing the linux-signatures-nvidia-6.8.0-22-generic limited me to using the nvidia 545 drivers
[21:15] <howarth> rather than the default tested nvidia 550 drivers as those don't have signature files yet in linux-signature-nvidia
[21:16] <howarth> Always a sore point with using secure-boot
[21:33] <howarth> Only other glitch so far is that the replacement for Cheese, Snapshot, doesn't recognize a Logitech Brio