[02:25] <test924> In a default setup, where does ls get its coloring rules from?
[07:33] <younder> test924: in .bashrc is a line - alias ls='ls --color=auto'
[07:44] <test924> Thanks. Commenting that does disable colors, but how does the variable LS_COLORS get set?
[07:45] <test924> I'm not sure if --color=auto uses that variable
[09:41] <bb_> hi
[09:41] <bb_> is anyone live?
[09:41] <bb_> or this chat is dead?
[09:42] <luksi> i am
[09:42] <luksi> what's up?
[09:43] <bb_> i check my port connection. thanks!
[09:43] <luksi> uhh okay?
[09:43] <luksi> may i ask why?
[09:44] <bb_> it's very important))
[09:44] <bb_> i am just checking now
[09:44] <bb_> my system is telling me what internet connection is not available
[09:45] <bb_> but it's not true
[09:45] <luksi> okay, so you got one port open
[09:45] <luksi> i don't think it's a big deal
[11:10] <ic56> test924: I don't have an Ubuntu system running, so I cannot check this but you can.  ls(1) does have hard-coded default colour values.  --color enables those.  $LS_COLORS is only needed if you want to override the default colour choices.  The command echo ${LS_COLOR+1} at a shell prompt will display 1 if the variable is present in your environment.  If it isn't, you'll get a blank line.
[11:34] <luksi> test924 what are you talking about?
[11:34] <luksi> if i may ask
[11:47] <Guest30> can a mSATA card damaged when i put it in a mini pcie express slot?
[11:48] <Guest30> ( i know i need an adapter )
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> Guest30: a question for #hardware perhaps?
[11:49] <Guest30> Yes, of course
[12:25] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:31] <funnyballs> biblically accurate angels
[14:48] <jack> ok man
[15:15] <cores> the caps lock light on my laptop was stuck on. but the laptop went to sleep and i woke it up now it's back to normal
[15:15] <cores> ubuntu 20.04 dell xps 13
[15:15] <cores> weird...
[16:01] <throwthecheese> Can anyone tell me why my jack cables keep "breaking" after a few times of use?
[16:07] <throwthecheese> I had to return two jack/aux cables as of now and I might have to return a third one due to it becoming "frequency-deaf" after a few times of use. I have not encountered this issue before and my previous jack cables have served me well before (except for an old cable I had lying around that also started having the issue)
[16:19] <leftyfb> throwthecheese: try #hardware
[17:02] <mandem0110> Are Ubuntu servers messing up? Or just me? I keep getting times out
[17:02] <mandem0110> Oh now it's working
[17:03] <rbox> just you
[17:08] <Estebanoc> Hi everyone, I have a problem with Ubuntu 22.04 it constantly freezes and I have to restart the computer
[17:09] <rbox> sounds like a hardware problem
[17:09] <Estebanoc> but i cant find the error
[17:12] <ioria> Estebanoc, journalctl -b -1
[17:13] <Estebanoc> thanks let me try
[17:22] <borrougagnou> Hi !
[17:22] <ioria> Estebanoc, journalctl -p 3 -xb
[17:23] <ioria> Estebanoc, paste it somewhere; you can do 'journalctl -p 3 -xb | nc termbin.com 9999'
[17:23] <borrougagnou> I have a question, is someone successfully installed a "Full Encryption" disk with Windows and Ubuntu alonside ?, because IDK why I tried to install Ubuntu, but I'm blocked at the "Grub part"
[17:24] <borrougagnou> I mean, the grub reboot, when I turn on my computer, the grub say "Reset System"
[17:24] <Estebanoc> ioria thanks let me try
[17:30] <borrougagnou> so I chrooted on my system, I typed "grub-install" then "update-grub" and IDK what to do from now, I use UEFI no secure boot, TPM2, Windows 11 with bitlocker, and I'm trying to install Ubuntu 22
[17:31] <Estebanoc> ioria is done
[17:31] <borrougagnou> aaand my /boot partition isn't encrypted
[17:43] <lorenzo> ciao
[17:44] <lorenzo> ok
[17:45] <lorenzo> si
[17:45] <lorenzo> hhh
[17:51] <infante> hi
[17:58] <NuenoenUbuntuMG> alguien que me pueda ayudar a orientarme en español sobre ubuntu server LTS? Lo que necesito saber es si instalao ahora Ubuntu Server 22.04.4 LTS podre actualizar al nuevo Ubuntu 24.04 LTS de forma fácil sin riesgos de pe4rder configuraciones?
[18:01] <leftyfb> !es NuenoenUbuntuMG
[18:01] <NuenoenUbuntuMG> hola
[18:02] <leftyfb> !es | NuenoenUbuntuMG
[18:02] <NuenoenUbuntuMG> gracias y perdona
[18:02] <leftyfb> NuenoenUbuntuMG: the answer is yes, but not until 24.04.1 which should come out sometime in August
[18:04] <NuenoenUbuntuMG> Great, then I will try this version and in August, when I will have more training, I will be able to try migrating to the new version. Thanks for the help.
[18:09] <dreamcat4> too soon to upgrade to 24.04 this april?
[18:14] <younder> Ubuntu loves Ginny pigs. You get to find all the bugs that then get fixed for 22.04.1
[18:15] <younder> 24.04.1
[18:15] <younder> But it shouldn't be too bad.
[18:41] <borrougagnou> nobody have an idea for my problem ?
[18:46] <tomreyn> borrougagnou: generally, it should be possible to install ubuntu with 'full disk encryption' (actually some encrypted partitions) next to another OS which also uses software based disk encryption. practically, i may not be an easy setup to achieve. bios and some of its settings may get in the way.
[18:46] <bprompt> borrougagnou: hmm you may want to repost, some of us have arrived just recently
[18:52] <borrougagnou> okay
[18:57] <borrougagnou> I'm trying to install Windows 11 (with bitlocker enabled) alongside with Ubuntu 22 (with crypsetup enabled)
[18:57] <borrougagnou> I do some manual step like: creating GPT patition, creating a ext4 /boot partition, creating lvm partition (enabled crypsetup), then install ubuntu on it and everything seems worked fine, I chrooted on the device, then update-initramfs and update-grub
[18:58] <borrougagnou> after rebooting, I was blocked at the "grub" the grub rebooted again and again, with the message "Reset system", I absolutely don't know what's happen and why I have that
[19:00] <borrougagnou> I use UEFI no secure boot and TPM2
[19:03] <borrougagnou> so atm, I cleaned all my "linux partition" and I'm following the "arch linux process" (create another EFI partition instead of use the same as windows): https://medium.com/@mjnaderi/installing-arch-linux-with-full-disk-encryption-168c03db2f84
[19:06] <bprompt> borrougagnou: was reading at https://askubuntu.com/questions/1404141/ubuntu-22-04-reset-system-bootloop
[19:08] <borrougagnou> I tried to boot using different EFI file from EFI/ubuntu or EFI/Boot but none of theses chowed me the grub
[19:09] <borrougagnou> the only one who showed me a grub was: https://www.mikekasberg.com/blog/2020/04/08/dual-boot-ubuntu-and-windows-with-encryption.html
[19:09] <borrougagnou> but it was a "minimal grub", and after chroot + "update-grub"... pop ! Reset System loop again and again
[19:13] <borrougagnou> I would like verbosity in grub
[19:22] <bprompt> borrougagnou: checking https://askubuntu.com/questions/1379335/reset-system-bootloop-after-attempting-to-dual-boot , looks like "ventoy" may allow you to bypass "grub" for booting up, and may allow you some leeway for checking the system
[19:58] <borrougagnou> hmmm
[20:30] <borrougagnou> I don't get it the point of "ventoy" it's just another bootloader, at this step I can install super grub disk 2 and it will do the same job
[20:30] <matsaman> isn't ventoy for imaging to USB sticks and the like?
[20:31] <matsaman> it's not really a boot loader as much as a tool for imaging, I thought
[20:31] <borrougagnou> yes
[20:31] <matsaman> I mean ideally you can even just use 'dd'
[20:31] <borrougagnou> it's not what i expected
[20:31] <matsaman> different tools for different folk
[20:31] <borrougagnou> you just joined so I'll explain my problem
[20:31] <borrougagnou> I'm trying to install Windows 11 (with bitlocker enabled) alongside with Ubuntu 22 (with crypsetup enabled)
[20:31] <borrougagnou> I do some manual step like: creating GPT patition, creating a ext4 /boot partition, creating lvm partition (enabled crypsetup), then install ubuntu on it and everything seems worked fine, I chrooted on the device, then update-initramfs and update-grub
[20:32] <borrougagnou> after rebooting, I was blocked at the "grub" the grub rebooted again and again, with the message "Reset system", I absolutely don't know what's happen and why I have that
[20:32] <rbox> step 1 install linux
[20:32] <rbox> step 2 profit
[20:32] <rbox> no more problems
[20:32] <matsaman> you've either confused the boot loader on its own, or the encryption part of it
[20:32] <borrougagnou> linux is installed
[20:33] <borrougagnou> matsaman> there is a way to have a grub verbosity ?
[20:34] <borrougagnou> I tried to boot using different EFI file from EFI/ubuntu or EFI/Boot but none of theses chowed me the grub
[20:34] <matsaman> it seems to me like all the manual steps you mentioned are offered automatedly via the installer
[20:34] <borrougagnou> exactly
[20:34] <matsaman> so you should probably just let the installer do it
[20:34] <borrougagnou> I do that but "differently"
[20:35] <borrougagnou> ubuntu not support the "bitlocker" + ubuntu, so I do some manual step from hand then installed (with ubiquity) ubuntu on the partition
[20:35] <borrougagnou> the only one who showed me a grub was: https://www.mikekasberg.com/blog/2020/04/08/dual-boot-ubuntu-and-windows-with-encryption.html
[20:36] <borrougagnou> but it was a "minimal grub", and after chroot + "update-grub"... pop ! Reset System loop again and again
[20:37] <matsaman> bitlocker is on the windows end
[20:38] <matsaman> if you do an ordinary guided encrypted install via Ubuntu, you should really not have to do much changing to grub's config alone, I would think, to deal with any other Windows dual boot install stuff
[20:42] <borrougagnou> there is no "ordinary guided encrypted install via Ubuntu" when you use the installer, you have: Erase everything and install ubuntu, disable bitlocker and install windows, or "Something else", and with something else, I can create an "encrypted partition" but not with LVM (so not really the same process) and at the end, after reboot, the same problem occur on the grub
[20:43] <borrougagnou> also I do that similary I just created partition by myself than use the installer
[20:44] <borrougagnou> atm, I cleaned all my "linux partition" and I'm following the "arch linux process" (create another EFI partition instead of use the same as windows): https://medium.com/@mjnaderi/installing-arch-linux-with-full-disk-encryption-168c03db2f84
[20:44] <borrougagnou> hope it will fix the problem
[20:45] <borrougagnou> I also discover some interesting thing from how ubiquity install the system: mount --bind /tmp/.X11-unix /target/tmp/.X11-unix && mount --bind /run /target/run && mount --bind /dev /target/dev && chroot /target mount -t sysfs sysfs /sys && chroot /target mount -t proc proc /proc && chroot /target update-initramfs -c -k 6.5.0-18-generic && grub-install  --force --target x86_64-efi "/dev/nvme0n1"
[20:48] <matsaman> something else I would highly advise is installing Windows and Ubuntu on separate storage, or, better yet, simply using a VM guest for one
[20:54] <borrougagnou> I thought about installing linux on a separate storage, but I tell myself it's stupid, why should I do that ? there is no way Windows and Linux can live together on the same disk ??
[20:55] <borrougagnou> and what will happen if I lose one drive ? I'll lose a complete system + all data ?
[20:56] <borrougagnou> and if the problem occur same with 2 disk, what will be the next solution ?
[20:57] <matsaman> they can live together on the same storage device, it's just more work
[20:57] <matsaman> because Windows on purposes assumes no other OSes will be on the same device
[20:57] <matsaman> not just at installation time but during updates, it will bite you
[21:00] <cbreak> borrougagnou: if you don't want to lose your data if yuou lose a drive, you will need backups, redundancy, or both
[21:01] <cbreak> it's good to use different drives for linux and windows because of the EFI partition. ubuntu's installer will pick a random device's EFI partition, not the one you select (unless they finally fixed that bug)
[21:01] <cbreak> and windows will just clober what ever it wants
[21:02] <matsaman> it's just a lot more work than using two separate devices
[21:02] <borrougagnou> cbreak > sure it's planned, but I would like to not lose data AND the system, less work you see
[21:02] <matsaman> dual booting in general, is a lot more work
[21:03] <borrougagnou> hmmmm
[21:03] <cbreak> you can always use a separate device for your primary data
[21:03] <bprompt> borrougagnou: I run windows10 as well as Kubuntu, separate GPT partitions, both show up in the UEFI boo menu sequence, grub works fine
[21:03] <cbreak> I have that... because I have a ton of storage :)
[21:04] <borrougagnou> bprompt I have absolutely no problem with that, I use a dual boot from multiple year,
[21:04] <borrougagnou> but this time I try a "full encryption" disk
[21:05] <borrougagnou> *since
[21:05] <bprompt> borrougagnou: right, but each OS uses their own different encryption utility
[21:06] <cbreak> encryption is usually at the partition level, so it could work
[21:06] <matsaman> you can definitely get it done, it's just that separate storage devices would make it way less complicated
[21:07] <bprompt> borrougagnou: mind  you that I have hmmm well, 4 partitions, windows10, "depot" Linux and the Swap, so most of the my data is in "depot", however as matsaman suggested, you must have redundancy data, for crucial data, I do "rsync" regularly for my files to a 512Gbs usb-stick, so I'm golden either way
[21:08] <cbreak> I use syncthing to syncronize my important data to other computers
[21:08] <bprompt> borrougagnou: and anything happening to either installation, first off I have bootable USBs for each, and I can always use a LiveUSB session to grab stuff from "depot" if needed
[21:08] <cbreak> and zfs send to back up my whole OS
[21:09] <cbreak> (that worked nice too to replilcate my system to a new laptop too)
[21:09] <cbreak> that way I can just continue to work on an other computer if one explodes or something
[21:09] <cbreak> but that kind of redundancy is somewhat pricy and not super trivial to set up
[21:10] <cbreak> (well, the syncthing part is easy :)
[21:11] <borrougagnou> syncthing is a mess for me, I don't count how many time I lose data because of "bad sync", now I use restic.
[21:12] <cbreak> weird. I've used it for several TB of data, and never lost any of it
[21:13] <cbreak> basically all my data is never changed though, just created, deleted
[21:13] <cbreak> and the data that I do modify I only modify on one side at a time
[21:13] <borrougagnou> matsaman> sure, I am lucky this laptop has 2 storages location, but for my second computer, it will be difficult
[21:13] <bprompt> rsync works for me reliably
[21:13] <matsaman> if the computer has two good storage locations at all, it'll be easier
[21:13] <matsaman> even if you have to open it up and add a storage device
[21:14] <matsaman> rsync is great for 1:1 and daily general purpose stuff
[21:16] <borrougagnou> cbreak> you use the "versioning" mode ? what happens when you're working on file/folder and the tool creates a lot of "temporary file" (I take example Unity, VScode/codium, web browser Profile, and so on)
[21:16] <borrougagnou> bprompt> yeah, rsync is another solution
[21:16] <cbreak> no, no versioning
[21:17] <cbreak> I use zfs, which already has snapshots on its own
[21:17] <bprompt> borrougagnou: storage these days is not hmm bad, I mean, this 512Gbs stick is just about the size of my thumbprint
[21:17] <bprompt> and it wasn't expensive either, $33USD
[21:17] <cbreak> I exclude build directories and temporaray directory locations from sync, I only sync data like ~/Documents and my bulk storage devices
[21:18] <borrougagnou> cbreak> yes, but you save your "snapshot" with syncthing ?
[21:18] <cbreak> syncthing just syncs data, zfs creates local only snapshots
[21:18] <cbreak> each computer has its own snapshots of the live data
[21:19] <borrougagnou> bprompt> I stopped to count how many "external storage I have" that's why now I have a ""s3 like"" storage in another server :^)
[21:21] <borrougagnou> and restic manage very well that, rsync too with a config file
[21:25] <borrougagnou> cbreak> you exclude build directories and temporary directory it mean you are safe from theses "corruption", I used syncthing for 2y and stopped at the end, more device you add, more difficult it is
[21:25] <borrougagnou> or 3year maybe
[21:26] <cbreak> I saw no point in syncronizing data that I don't need on other locations because it can be regenerated
[21:34] <borrougagnou> when you use "unity", it's difficult to know exactly "what you should sync or no" + if you sync when you are working, it can corrupt the file
[21:36] <cbreak> I mean, for code I use git
[21:36] <cbreak> and build artefacts I can just recreate by rebuilding
[21:39] <borrougagnou> I see,
[21:40] <borrougagnou> well I'll try a last chance with reboot, and if that still doesn't work, I install linux on the second drive
[23:11] <Slartibart> Hi. In /usr/local/lib/: libcurl.so -> libcurl.so.4.5.0 libcurl.so.4 -> libcurl.so.4.5.0 libcurl.so.4.5.0. So 3 files. Dates are from may 2018. I'm afraid I might've done something stupid back then and compiled curl on my own or something. Can I somehow trace how the files were installed, from what package or something? There are libcurl.so.4 files(much newer) under /usr/lib/, I suppose that's where
[23:11] <Slartibart> they should be?
[23:12] <rbox> you comipled and installed it
[23:12] <rbox> thats where they came from
[23:13] <Slartibart> Yeah, I guess I did, huh. Mess :-[. Is there a good way to remove that version(compiled curl)?
[23:13] <rbox> rm
[23:15] <Slartibart> rbox: But then I won't know whether I got all of them, right? I mean, perhaps removing the bad version of the .ibcurl.so file might be enough? But it'd sure feel better to know they're all gone.
[23:16] <rbox> then format and install ubuntu fresh
[23:16] <Slartibart> Would that mean something like studying the curl package in depth and try to find out where the files were placed?
[23:16] <Slartibart> Ouch
[23:16] <rbox> its all gonna be in /usr/local
[23:16] <Slartibart> Ok, that's a heck of a lot better than nothing.
[23:17] <Slartibart> Thanks! I'll give it a cautious try.