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[16:11] <blaze> is noble currently missing clang-tidy package?
[16:11] <blaze> I'm getting missing dependecy error on LP
[16:11] <blaze> Missing build dependencies: clang-tidy
[16:13] <blaze> me confuse
[16:13] <IrcsomeBot> <sgmoore> https://packages.ubuntu.com/noble/clang-tidy ?
[16:13] <blaze> yes this one
[16:18] <sgmoore> is it possible you don't have universe enabled?
[16:22] <blaze> rather sbuild deps resolver
[20:27] <arraybolt3> So... I just discovered while testing the Kubuntu beta RC that the package customization module isn't actually set up for Kubuntu at all :P Just got to fixing that.
[20:27] <arraybolt3> For the minimal install option, what does everyone here think about purging the following list of packages:
[20:27] <arraybolt3> kmahjongg kmines kpat ksudoku skanlite skanpage okular libreoffice* kdeconnec    t krdc konversation neochat elisa haruna vim snapd partitionmanager usb-creator* plasma-welcome kde-config-tablet plasma-welcome
[20:27] <arraybolt3> ?
[20:28] <arraybolt3> (hmm, vim seems to have made my "kdeconnect" look weird)
[20:28] <arraybolt3> sgmoore: ^
[20:37] <sgmoore> arraybolt3: um why?
[20:37] <sgmoore> oh minimal. sure thats fine
[20:51] <mmikowski> sgmoore RikMills arraybolt3: Something to watch out for: On 22.04.4 LTS, when installing Gimp, the package wslu got pulled to "provide www-browser" per 'ubiquity why wslu'. This is /extremely/ bad, as it breaks OEM mode, sound, and spams the syslog.
[20:52] <arraybolt3> s/ubiquity/aptitude/
[20:52] <arraybolt3> mmikowski: ^ ?
[20:53] <mmikowski> I discovered this in Cubic when creating the OEM image with a few apps like this installed. haha, yes, you're right aaron. s/ubiquity/aptitude/g. :)
[20:54] <mmikowski> I'm going to start fresh again today and will report what I see. But until then, FYI and you might want to keep an eye out :)
[20:56] <sgmoore> ah firefox as a snap bites again
[20:57] <mmikowski> https://kfocus.org/wf/browsers#bkm_firefox <= succinct, how to replace.
[20:58] <mmikowski> Just updated yesterday and tested.
[21:07] <mmikowski> sgmoore ^^, if that's of any help.
[21:08] <valorie> arraybolt3: purging all those is OK by me
[21:08] <mmikowski> Firefox snap worked so well last time, they decided to move Thunderbird there too I guess. It will be interesting to see how that works.
[21:08] <valorie> libreoffice is enormous
[21:08] <valorie> errr, not vim?
[21:09] <valorie> that is a religion with some....
[21:14] <arraybolt3> valorie: I mean the user can always install Vim again.
[21:14] <valorie> of course
[21:14] <arraybolt3> And for probably 70% of people it won't be used (assuming half of everyone who uses Kubuntu is a developer and over half of developers use Vim)
[21:14] <valorie> I personally do not use
[21:26] <mmikowski> valorie: vim is expected everywhere for a minimal install. The difference between vim.tiny and vim.nox is negligible.
[21:28] <mmikowski> At least by developers :)
[21:29] <sgmoore> I use vim...
[21:29] <mmikowski> Even developers who don't normally use vim normally expect it to be available in some form.
[21:30] <sgmoore> though I admit I am used to installing it immediately after install and kicking nano out
[21:31] <mmikowski> I think all developers here (arraybolt3, mmikowski, sgmoore) all use vim. I think Rik does too. 
[21:31] <arraybolt3> mmikowski: well `vi` (vim-tiny) is still there, it's only the fully-fledged somewhat bloated Vim that I was considering non-minimal.
[21:32] <sgmoore> sounds like it could safely get the boot
[21:32] <mmikowski> Yeah, well compressed, vim-nox comes in at, wait for it, 1.5 MB.
[21:32] <mmikowski> There are images in libreoffice that are larger.
[21:33] <mmikowski> Actually, it's 1.9 MB. Whoops.
[21:33] <arraybolt3> what is vim-nox?
[21:33] <arraybolt3> (generally a `sudo apt install vim` pulls in 40+ MiB of stuff in my experience)
[21:33] <mmikowski> full-fledged vim without the gui stuff, iirc.
[21:34] <sgmoore> there is a vim with a gui?
[21:34] <arraybolt3> vim-gtk3, yes
[21:34] <mmikowski> `Description-en: Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor - with scripting languages support
[21:34] <mmikowski>  Vim is an almost compatible version of the UNIX editor Vi.`
[21:34] <mmikowski> hahaha! Scarlett! lol!
[21:34] <sgmoore> hah neat
[21:34] <mmikowski> gvim.
[21:34] <sgmoore> I think kate supports vim with a plugin
[21:35] <arraybolt3> it has a Vi mode in it, it isn't *awesome* but it's not terrible either.
[21:35] <mmikowski> it has vim key bindings. but it doesn't support your .vimrc. I found it quite limited last time I tried it.
[21:36] <mmikowski> Now IntelliJ vim support is almost complete. I run macros in there all the time. C-J to format Json, etc. all work.
[21:37] <mmikowski> sgmoore: You might want to look at the default .vimrc on kfocus. Lots of neat macros there with key bindings. like ;k to clean up all trailing white space, or C-j to format JSON.
[21:38] <mmikowski> see /usr/lib/kfocus/skel/.vimrc.
[21:38] <sgmoore> oh! nice! whitespace bites me all the time in changelogs lol
[21:38] <sgmoore> this laptop is my daily driver, will make use of them, thanks!
[21:39] <sgmoore> alright, been up since 1am, I am off for the day, see you all tomorrow for another day of testing and fixes.
[21:39] <mmikowski> There's bindings to convert from snake_case to camelCase and vice versa, or round numbers too.
[21:39] <mmikowski> See you scarlett!
[21:43] <valorie> sorry that my comment stirred up the Cult of VIM
[21:44] <valorie> lol
[22:00] <mmikowski> valorie: no worries :) It could have been worse: the cult of NANO! (shrieks of horror!)
[22:23] <mparillo> https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.en.html