[00:05] <sarnold> Pruners: that's your loopback interface "lo" -- there's 2^24 IP addresses in the range 127.0.0.0-127.255.255.255 and they all mean "localhost" -- the scope host means that packets sent to those addresses aren't going to leave the computer
[00:14] <Pruners> I was logging in to the server successfully, but that was at another location, when I moved the machines here the IP addresses probablly changed.
[00:16] <Pruners> I put in my command      ssh  [my user name]@[the name assigned to my server] and it just nothing happens after some minutes it times out.   Does that mean the server is not on the network?  I have the server plugged into the network via ethernet cable.
[00:17] <RickyRat5005> Well, do you have the same subnet in both locations? Did the server have a static IP?
[00:17] <RickyRat5005> !paste
[00:18] <RickyRat5005> Paste the full output of the command here using dpaste.com
[00:20] <sarnold> Pruners: it could be a wifi router thing not letting wifi devices talk to wired devices or lots of other reasons :/
[00:28] <Pruners> It's just my router, the two machines on same network, its not like outside on the internet somewhere, they're right here.
[00:29] <sarnold> every now and then one of my machines will get a new ip address
[00:29] <sarnold> one doesn't have a monitor attached to it, and others are downstairs, so even if they do have a monitor i'm not inclined to walk up and down ..
[00:29] <Pruners> hmmm that's interesting sarnold " it could be a wifi router thing not letting wifi devices talk to wired devices" what if I connected my two computers directly to each other with ethernet cable?
[00:30] <Pruners> ...eliminating the router completely...
[00:30] <sarnold> so i'll use nmap to try to find it, nmap --open 192.168.0.1/24 -p 22   -- that'll look for open sshd servers on the network. then I just try the ones that are reported until I find the one I want. it's not ideal. but doing a better job requires a lot more work :)
[00:30] <RickyRat5005> Do you have a crossover cable? LOL
[00:30] <sarnold> Pruners: in that case you'd need to manually assign IP addresses so they could talk; it's not the worst, but it takes some effort. *maybe* the auto-assigned ipv6 addresses would be enough? I haven't tried :(
[00:31] <sarnold> RickyRat5005: gigabit ethernet auto-senses, there is almost never a need for crossover cables these days :D
[00:31] <Pruners> right, I usually run my server without a monitor, like you do.  although I happen to have it attached to a monitor this evening, the server did boot up and presented with a login, but perhaps it isn't really up and ready?  I should probably restart it and watch to boot up and make sure its really up.  All the fancy commands aren't going to work if it ain't fully up!
[00:32] <Pruners> Let me use that paster you recommended and paste the response I'm getting that might help you offer some insight.
[00:32] <Pruners> I do have a crossover cable but I'd have to look for it.
[00:35] <RickyRat5005> That was a joke... I wouldn't connect them together. Just run the command and paste the output here.
[00:40] <Pruners> yeah well its pretty desperate to think of looking for a crossover cable.  But I'm pretty close toi desperatin!
[00:44] <Pruners> I ran a command ssh  and that command produces
[00:45] <Pruners> 11 results, two of which are names I assigned to my server, does that mean the server is up and running and on the network?  or does that just mean something else and doesn't prove the server is up and on the network?
[00:46] <sarnold> it sounds promising that you could either ssh to that named machine, or one of the IP addresses that machine appears to have
[00:49] <Pruners> like,   username@[IP address]     ?
[00:49] <sarnold> yeah
[00:50] <Pruners> yes that DOES sound promising.  There's only approximately four IP addresses going on in the network [I believe] so four attempts should throw the hat on the bull's horns, so to speak.
[02:08] <Pruners> thanks for your help this evening.  I'm going to hit the hay and pick this up again in the morning.
[04:05] <nicepete> hello all, hopefully a simple question - i co-installed KDE next to my ubuntu Gnome install and, didn't like it much. Now i've removed it, but it still loads another login screen where i select a desktop session. Can I get it back to normal without re-installing ubuntu? some cursory googling has come up with some stressing looking commands and answers
[04:06] <nicepete> fwiw i still appear to be inside a KDE environment in terms of cursor, menu icons, minimize/maximize/close on the top right of windows, etc
[04:08] <nicepete> the command i ran was "sudo apt-get purge kde-full kubuntu-desktop" as i installed kde-full
[04:25] <anadon> Can I get some more attention to https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2496775&p=14185381#post14185381 ?  It's a low traffic area, so I'll be loud about it.
[04:56] <akik> you call that fighting?
[04:57] <akik> anadon: i did it like this for a rt-kernel https://paste.linux.chat/?8d240b8ca10adb5f#5VYp891MeXpMTfbRemY6qjvASnQdW4Yy5X3Vs6XvdCwE
[07:43] <quazimodo> in 22.04 systemd turns on pulseaudio per user right?
[07:59] <csi> Hello
[07:59] <csi> Guys I have a question, what is the Ubuntu 12.04?
[08:03] <enyc> lol
[09:03] <riOwnage> an older, version..
[10:33] <ice9> how to automatically unlock the default keyring on startup ? because every login, it popups to enter the password because an app needs it
[10:47] <ice9> how to make the value of "/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXSYBUS:00/PNP0A08:00/device:08/PNP0C09:01/PNP0C0A:03/power_supply/BAT0/charge_control_end_threshold" permanent?
[11:05] <akik> anadon: you figured it out?
[11:48] <webchat81> Hi, just wanting to report that the Asus USB-AX55 USB is not being recognized in Ubuntu 23.10 as the RTL8832BU under the 8852 driver in the Linux Kernel. This is during the live install, so I suspect that the driver maintainer needs to update their device ID's in the driver in order to have it be recognized. lsub shows that the device is recognized
[11:48] <webchat81> as existing, but no driver is loading for it. running modprobe rtl8852* yields no resulting working driver.
[11:48] <webchat81> I'm currently not on Ubuntu at the moment, because no driver, but I thought someone should know.
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> webchat81: realtek drivers are known for being flaky/picky on specific kernel versions
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> webchat81: wich kernel version does this occur for you?
[11:50] <webchat81> It's whatever the current 23.10 iso came with, during the live environment.
[11:50] <webchat81> I didn't uname -r it.
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic mantic
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> webchat81: what you could do, is test a 22.04 live or an early 24.04 beta iso to see if it works by default
[11:52] <webchat81> 22.04 live doesn't even have the rtl driver package installed by default, so no go there. I can try the 24.04 beta then and see if that works.
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> webchat81: 24.04 has kernel 6.8 currently, so that could be interesting to test
[11:53] <webchat81> That's not even on Arch Linux's installer iso, so that's fun.
[11:53] <webchat81> Last i tested, which was a few days ago.
[11:53] <bittin__> webchat81: it is
[11:53] <bittin__> Current Release: 2024.04.01
[11:53] <bittin__> Included Kernel: 6.8.2
[11:54] <webchat81> At least now.
[11:54] <webchat81> Wasn't when i tested it.
[11:54] <bittin__> ah
[11:54] <webchat81> Lets see how 6.8 fairs.
[11:56] <webchat81> To be fair, that wifi adapter is pretty dang new, despite that chipset having been out for a little while.
[11:56] <webchat81> Asus being Asus I suppose with their idents.
[11:57] <webchat81> Appreciate the suggest Lotus.
[12:22] <unixbeard> Hi!  I just updated to 6.5.0-27-generic, and I'm getting load averages over 2!  I think it might be related to my 3060 and nvidia, but changing drivers doesn't seem to help.  top/htop show no process eating CPU.  Help?
[12:22] <unixbeard> I'm running Ubuntu 22.04.
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> unixbeard: check your journalctl -f logs in realtime to find a possible cause
[12:24] <unixbeard> lotuspsychje: nothing stands out there, but, I am watching.
[12:44] <dreamon> hello. is there a tut to follow, conversion mbr to gpt of my ubuntu 18.04 without reinstallation..?
[12:44] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:45] <Walex> dreamon: your nickname is very appropriate to "without reinstallation". That is only supported across "consecutive" versions IIRC.
[12:45] <Walex> dreamon: and sometimes it is not successful if the system has been customized in unexpected ways.
[12:50] <dreamon> Walex, nice. but my question was is there a tut.. I'm ready to invest time for it. if it fails I go one till it works. might be I loose a lot of time. maybe .. no problem
[12:50] <vlt> dreamon: Something that *might* work: Boot a live system, ddrescue the partitions you’d like to keep, create a GPT table and the partitions, write back the contents of the partitions (while keeping an eye on sizes, you might have to resize2fs here and there), mounting the root file system from the new partition, chroot there, run update-grub or whatever it was back in 18.04, reboot and see.
[12:50] <vlt> ddrescue everything back if that failed :D
[12:52] <dreamon> I've made backups.. ddrescue already done. does 18.04 runs on uefi? or do I have to upgrade first?
[12:52] <ogra_> dreamon, this is a very advanced task and extremely risky, i'd recommend taking proper data backups, do a fresh install with proper GPT table and play back the data ...
[12:52] <dreamon> my new lenovo notebook dont work on mbr anymore..
[12:53] <vlt> dreamon: I don’t remember the 18.04 times :D  You have a lot of trial and error before you. Good luck!
[12:54] <ogra_> UEFI has been used since 14.04 or 16.04 so 18.04 will definitely use it if you did not force legacy mode in the BIOS settings
[12:55] <dreamon> write back the contents of the partitions → whats best way to copy (rsync) some special options needed?
[12:57] <dreamon> I love linux stuff, every second is a good second for extend my knowledge ;)
[12:57] <leftyfb> dreamon: this is a perfect time to install the latest LTS (22.04) since 18.04 is End of Life and unsupported
[12:58] <dreamon> leftyfb, yes. maybe It might be better to upgrade first on my old laptop and after that I transfer to new one and convert to uefi.
[12:59] <leftyfb> dreamon: install from scratch if you need UEFI
[13:03] <dreamon> nono.. thats no option for me.. I need all my installed programms. I made so many things.. from scratch.. it like say my son is wrong, i make it from scratch. ;)
[13:03] <vlt> dreamon: I specifically mentioned dd(rescue) because that way you keep all the file system UUID, LABEL, or similar data that might be relied on by your kernel cmdline, initrd, or /etc/{crypt,fs}tab ...
[13:04] <leftyfb> vlt: dd'ing from one drive to another will in no way help with "converting" MBR to UEFI
[13:04] <dreamon> vlt, good hint. I know
[13:05] <vlt> leftyfb: Right, but dd’ing a file system from an old to a new position.
[13:05] <vlt> (position or partition)
[13:06] <leftyfb> dreamon: reinstalling from scratch is a good way to extend your knowledge. Especially if you add something like ansible to help with rebuilding your system exactly the way you had it
[13:06] <gordonjcp> I never attempt to rescue systems
[13:06] <gordonjcp> blat it, reinstall it, restore from a backup
[13:07] <vlt> dreamon: And another tip from experience: sfdisk has a --move-data option but for me that always turned out to be wayyyyy slower that dd’ing the data back and forth.
[13:07] <vlt> *than
[13:07] <gordonjcp> people get a bit preachy and "oh but if you just used <insert favourite deliberately-hard-to-use distro here> you'd learn so much more about Linux"
[13:07] <gordonjcp> but I don't want to learn so much more about Linux
[13:07] <gordonjcp> I honestly don't care to
[13:08] <gordonjcp> I've been using it since kernel 0.9
[13:08] <vlt> gordonjcp: Yeah, we’re all different ;-)
[13:09] <leftyfb> reinstalling is a great way to get rid of cruft and things you installed but don't actually need or want anymore
[13:10] <gordonjcp> vlt: I do realise the extent to which this makes me sound like a crabbit old git, and I make no apologies
[13:10] <gordonjcp> *apologies
[13:10] <gordonjcp> I just consider it a far more valuable lesson to learn that you should know how to back up and restore
[13:10] <gordonjcp> always have a couple of good backups
[13:10] <gordonjcp> rather than learning how to grovel around in borked filesystems to cobble the system back together
[13:11] <dreamon> gordonjcp, restore what? documents.. easy stuff.? my list is endless long.
[13:12] <gordonjcp> dreamon: all the apps installed, all the system settings, all the user settings, any locally-stored user data (mostly massive video files)
[13:14] <dreamon> I did it once.. never more. I lost to much stuff that I tweaked long time a ago.. no thanks.. no option for me
[13:14] <gordonjcp> I don't really "tweak" things
[13:14] <leftyfb> dreamon: you should look into ansible
[13:14] <gordonjcp> definitely
[13:15] <gordonjcp> whatever OS I'm on I generally just go with the defaults, except in Haiku because the mouse is crazy fast
[13:15] <leftyfb> dreamon: I spent a couple days writing a playbook to build my system from scratch. I bought a new laptop recently and was able to get my system back exactly the way it was from a fresh install in just a couple minutes
[13:15] <leftyfb> dreamon: either way, "converting" from MBR to UEFI is non-trivial and not suggested. I'm also curious as to why you think you need to do so
[13:16] <gordonjcp> leftyfb: mmm
[13:16] <gordonjcp> yeah
[13:16] <gordonjcp> that's got failure written all over it
[13:17] <gordonjcp> dreamon: tell you what, if you convert from MBR to UEFI on a currently running system I can guarantee you will not be bored for the rest of the afternoon
[13:17] <gordonjcp> dreamon: you might wish you were still only bored, but you won't be
[13:18] <RickyRat5005> Is there a compelling need to convert? Just curious as to what the goal is?
[13:19] <dreamon> no problem. I will get it done .. thank you guys for your help
[13:22] <ogra_> gordonjcp, s/afternoon/month/ ?
[13:26] <gordonjcp> ogra_: possibly
[13:26] <ogra_> 🙂
[13:26] <gordonjcp> there's a bit over two weeks left
[13:27] <gordonjcp> that reminds me, I've got about 1500 miles and two on-call shifts to claim for
[13:27] <ogra_> yeah ... could just fit ...
[13:28] <RickyRat5005> I recently installed Ubuntu 23.10 and expected to be able to use the TPM for disk encryption, but I still have to put in a password at bootup, so I must have missed a step. Is there a guide or walkthrough somewhere for installation with TPM?
[13:31] <ogra_> RickyRat5005, it should just use it if you ticked the box in the installer (and didnt do any manual partitioning i think)
[13:31] <ogra_> and indeed your HW needs to be fully compliant (only TPM 2.0 is supported)
[13:34] <RickyRat5005> AMD Ryzen™ 9 7950X3D × 32 so it should have TPM
[13:35] <RickyRat5005> Maybe I need to change something in BIOS....
[13:35] <RickyRat5005> MB: ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-F GAMING WIFI
[13:37] <ogra_> yeah, the BIOS options also play a role ...
[13:37] <ogra_> (i.e. you need to have RAID turned off ... etc)
[13:38] <ogra_> theer are some discussions at discourse.ubuntu.com around it, where people point ouot what they had to turn off/on
[13:38] <RickyRat5005> Thanks, I'll take a look
[14:35] <aziz_> firefox
[16:43] <fred202> hi - i have a hd as a storage - i would like to have it passworded for access - how to ?? - thanks.
[16:44] <fred202> without encrypt
[17:00] <tomreyn> fred202: you would like to have to enter a password when you connect a hdd, but not have the data stored on it encrpyted?
[17:00] <tomreyn> i don't see what this would accomplish
[17:00] <fred202> yes - its already installed as a hd - but non passworded. thanls
[17:01] <tomreyn> what's the goal there?
[17:01] <fred202> password the hs
[17:01] <fred202> for connection view
[17:01] <fred202> mounted view
[17:01] <tomreyn> hmm, i don't think i understand.
[17:02] <fred202> to mount the hd - i would like to have to enter a password
[17:03] <tomreyn> you could maybe make it so that connecting this very hdd to this very computer with this ubuntu installation and configuration would prompt you for a password. but connecting the same hdd to another computer would then not prompt for a password. what would you have achieved that way?
[17:03] <fred202> kind of like gnome encrypt
[17:04] <fred202> the hd is installed and used as storage- i just want a password to access
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> maybe fred202 wants to prevent other users of the pc, not access the data on his HD
[17:04] <fred202> exactly
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> a case for chmod?
[17:04] <tomreyn> "gnome encrypt" is not something i'm familiar with (maybe you're referring to the Gnome GUI for cryptsetup / dmcrypt-luks)
[17:05] <fred202> yes
[17:05] <fred202> true
[17:06] <fred202> i can use gnome encrypt- but warns i can not use outside programs to view data
[17:06] <tomreyn> chmod would still not prevent someone from taking the disk and connecting it to a different computer where they can then read it.
[17:06] <fred202> exactly
[17:06] <fred202> good shot thos lotus
[17:07] <fred202> seems to basic for us to conceive
[17:08] <fred202> so, my only avenue is to use a portable device ?
[17:08] <fred202> why not make my hs see itself as a portable device ??
[17:09] <fred202> hd
[17:09] <fred202> interesting
[17:09] <fred202> ubuntu's next venture - making se of
[17:10] <fred202> use
[17:10] <tomreyn> if you want to prevent access to data on that disk, you have three mechnisms you can make use of: hardware/firmware based disk encryption (OPAL) - I would not recommend this -, block device encryption (dmcrypt-luks/veracrypt) - where i would not recommend veracrypt, and file system encryption (some file systems offer it as a core feature, others allow of adding it on-top). finally, you could have single encrypted files.
[17:11] <fred202> exactly - single files
[17:11] <fred202> i tried
[17:11] <fred202> thanks for the help people
[17:12] <fred202> ubuntu would save alot of hastle if this were tackled.
[17:12] <fred202> AND save the security of those who seek honest privacy.
[17:13] <tomreyn> you haven't really described what is 'this', yet.
[17:13] <leftyfb> that's what Full Disk Encryption is for. Which is an option during installation
[17:13] <fred202> right now - seeing all the supposed failures - i cant substantiate that feature
[17:14] <fred202> i have way to valuable date to chance it- especially through update failures.
[17:15] <fred202> or graphic failures due to nixed drivers
[17:15] <leftyfb> that's what backups aere for
[17:15] <leftyfb> are*
[17:15] <leftyfb> so now you're onto completely separate and unrelated issues
[17:16] <fred202> your right - were all lazy when it comes to that.
[17:16] <leftyfb> fred202: speak for yourself
[17:16] <fred202> my hot dog stand has no pork
[17:16] <leftyfb> I have local backups, remote, backups to the cloud and an annual backup kept in a fireproof safe
[17:17] <leftyfb> all encrypted
[17:17] <fred202> i trust the clud from intel agencies like trust hillary with my stuffrd animal
[17:17] <fred202> cloud
[17:18] <fred202> us commmon users that have 9-5 jobs and a family dont have the expired time to do such things
[17:19] <fred202> be nuce and compassionate and help us -
[17:19] <leftyfb> fred202: again, speak for yourself
[17:19] <fred202> nice
[17:19] <leftyfb> fred202: you asked for help password protecting your drive, use FDE(LUKS)
[17:20] <fred202> i thought abt it
[17:20] <leftyfb> fred202: https://opensource.com/article/21/3/encryption-luks
[17:20] <fred202> i am a retired "boomer" electronic engineer -
[17:20] <fred202> i started ubuntu in 06
[17:21] <fred202> killer os
[17:21] <fred202> yes - i did the rest with their broke sht - ubuntu is like elvis.
[17:22] <fred202> arch fanboys love pain
[17:22] <tomreyn> fred202: could you stay on topic please - ubuntu support.
[17:22] <leftyfb> fred202: lets try to stay on topic here. Support. Feel free to join #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat
[17:22] <fred202> gentoo users are on welfare to subdue their time
[17:22] <fred202> ok lefty
[17:22] <fred202> srry
[17:23] <fred202> thank you for your time lefty
[17:26] <fred202> love u guys - nite
[17:26] <fred202> out
[19:01] <bunjee> newbie on this end.....how do update snap store? It shows up in the software updater - but then when I try to update it a message reads: unable to update "snap store" (null): cannot refresh "snap-store": "snap store" has running apps (ubuntu-software), pids: 1870.
[19:04] <leftyfb> bunjee: reboot
[19:05] <bunjee> leftfb: anytime?
[19:05] <bunjee> leftyfb: anytime?
[19:05] <leftyfb> sure
[19:06] <bunjee> leftyfb: I've done that several times and still get the exat message.
[19:06] <leftyfb> bunjee: killall snap-store
[19:07] <leftyfb> bunjee: then sudo snap refresh
[19:10] <bunjee> leftyfb: thank you.....now I'm gonna reboot....
[19:16] <Alguien> Buenas tardes
[19:24] <Alguien> Voy a seguir sin enterarme de como funciona este XChat.
[19:49] <lubuntu> hi
[20:00] <aurolac> getting an 'no kvm' error when trying to load iso into gnome-boxes
[20:11] <rfm> aurolac, is virt support turned on in BIOS?
[20:16] <aurolac> i can try that, odd that it didn't seem relevatnt back in 23.04
[21:03] <tzio> hi, there is a bug with 24.04 installer when using /home with luks encryption i believe
[21:04] <shadow255> tzio: you may want #ubuntu-next for your issue
[21:05] <tzio> k ty shadow
[21:34] <meischtrCH> hello there, anyone can help me with some basic troubles i think? :) had problem to start a systemd service with a cronjob - had edited the sudoers file but nothing will change - allways have the problem that the script want to have the password of my "superadmin user"