[00:01] <webchat24> bprompt: because I didn't mount them, and they aren't showing up in list of mounted drives when I run "mount" \
[00:01] <bprompt> webchat24: I ask, because, hmmm some applications like the file manager can mount a filesystem without warning upon request on user interaction
[00:01] <webchat24> oerheks: I'll look into hdparm settings that might be able to stop it. thanks
[00:02] <bprompt> webchat24: how old are the HDDs btw?
[00:02] <webchat24> bprompt: brand new -- I just finished building this PC this week
[00:04] <bprompt> webchat24: generic brand?   seagate? or something?   I mean, HDDs usually can have a lifespan of 10 years or more, depending on use, just "consumer market" usage, you can pretty much go with it for 10 years fine
[00:04] <webchat24> western digital red pro 20TB
[00:05] <bprompt> webchat24: and no switch on the enclosure?   well, most don't come with one I think
[00:05] <webchat24> I won't be using them all the time, but when I am, it will be heavy moving (basically I'll be moving a few TB a day on them back and forth from SSD raid array, but most of the time outside of this they'll be idle)
[00:06] <webchat24> it is for loading large multi-TB datasets for machine learning / LLMS
[00:07] <webchat24> yeah, there is no switch on enclosure.
[00:07] <webchat24> they are just open mounted on a disk rack in the case
[00:08] <bprompt> right
[00:11] <bprompt> webchat24: https://linuxconfig.org/change-hard-drive-s-sleep-standby-mode-timer-to-reduce-power-consumption     <---- as suggested by oerheks
[00:11] <bprompt> and don't forget the "sudo hdparm --yes-i-know-what-i-am-doing -s 1" switch =)
[00:13] <bprompt> is a a good thing the switch isn't "--yes-dude-just-freaking-do-it-already"
[00:37] <auk> any suggestions on tools to autogenerate packaging metadata? preferably with multiple distro support. E.g. i write one manifest, and then the tool can output a `debian/` dir, an RPM spec file, etc.
[00:38] <auk> I've seen several (for example, FPM, pacur), but they all seem to want to handle the build step themselves -- I'm looking for something that will autogenerate metadata suitable for inclusion in the distro's upstream build and packaging processes
[01:09] <auk> this appears to be in the spirit of what i want, but not clear if maintained: https://github.com/castedo/clump
[01:58] <Guest96> hey
[04:10] <foxjazz> test
[04:10] <arraybolt3> foxjazz: test successful
[04:11] <Noise_Axis> test
[04:34] <Cacing_Server> test
[04:39] <rock8787> i found bugs. when you open videos they open off screen
[04:40] <rock8787> 24.04 beta
[04:40] <rock8787> vlc and mpv do it
[04:45] <Cacing_Server> rock8787: I was just updated the 22.04 to 23.10 last night. Probably would upgrade again into 24.04 today.
[05:24] <toddc> 24.04 has not been released check #ubuntu-next for debugging and more info
[07:27] <Johnson> Hello
[07:27] <Johnson> I'm having issue
[07:31] <akik> johnson: #ubuntu is here to help you
[07:56] <akik> oh he left
[10:03] <davros1> Years ago I put ubuntu on a  laptop.. I suspect it contributed to it dying (fan control/overheat?) .. is such a hazard likely to be diminished today
[10:04] <mandem0110> davros1: no, Ubuntu would NOT have killed your laptop.
[10:05] <davros1> I've used ubuntu for 10+ years on desktops, just to confirm I'm not ubuntu-phobic
[10:06] <mandem0110> Then you'd know it couldn't "kill" a laptop...
[10:06] <davros1> (My suspicion was there might have been something about fan control going wrong, again this was probably 10+ years ago )
[10:07] <davros1> I can well believe "stuff that didn't work back then works fine now"
[10:07] <mandem0110> davros1: do you have a support question?
[10:08]  * respawn needs to turn my lubuntu 24.04 machine on
[10:09] <mandem0110> respawn: nice, looking forward to running 24 on a rpi5 :D
[10:10] <respawn> it runs like achamp on my old pc
[10:48] <akik> controlled speech. love it
[11:17] <itu>  hi
[11:18] <itu> i have ubuntu 22.04 installed on this laptop
[11:19] <itu> now i am strongly wondering. i found that apache2 is active
[11:19] <itu> why and how could this happen?
[11:19] <lotuspsychje> itu: desktop or server?
[11:21] <itu> desktop of course
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> itu: you might have installed a software package, that had apache as dependency?
[11:22] <akik> itu: if you want to stop it, run "systemctl stop apache2; systemctl mask apache2"
[11:22] <akik> itu: then it won't start up
[11:23] <akik> itu: read the apt logs to see when it was installed
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> good idea yeah, dpkg logs
[11:25] <akik> no, apt
[11:26]  * itu ist about to investigate the case 
[11:31] <itu> https://yopad.eu/p/apachgate
[11:37] <itu> smokeping did it ...
[11:47] <itu> conclusion: no need to worry about the running apache, nothing bad happening
[11:48] <daoumilseitek> hi there
[11:48] <daoumilseitek> do you know why Lutris is in multiverse instead of universe ? Lutris is GPL afaik
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> itu: if the apache service keeps running a lot, you might wann ask the volunteers for possible security measures perhaps
[12:02] <akik> to me it sounded like he wouldn't want it running
[12:06] <itu> i just worried about having some malware active
[12:07] <akik> and security-wise it's wise to keep it stopped if you don't need it
[12:07] <itu> yes
[12:09] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:10] <akik> BluesKaj: hey did you get the sudo issue fixed you asked about yesterday?
[12:11] <BluesKaj> hi asik, do you mean the sudoers ALLNOPASSWD issue?
[12:12] <akik> BluesKaj: just NOPASSWD
[12:14] <BluesKaj> no I did not, the settings I used were a duplicare of the same line that works on my laptop but fails after a few mins on my pc
[12:14] <akik> BluesKaj: it doesn't accept your passwd after a few mins?
[12:16] <BluesKaj> it asks for my passwd
[12:16] <BluesKaj> when that line is supposed to prevent it from asking
[12:17] <akik> BluesKaj: see journalctl -b 0 -ef when the error happens
[12:24] <BluesKaj> there are over 100 lines after that command
[12:33] <akik> BluesKaj: i meant run it first, then wait for sudo to fail
[12:36] <BluesKaj> yeah it failed immediately
[12:41] <ioria> BluesKaj, using directly /etc/sudoers or a  file in /etc/sudoers.d ?
[12:43] <BluesKaj> akik: using sudo visudo in the terminal
[12:44] <BluesKaj> so direct I guess
[12:44] <ioria> BluesKaj, i'd try to add an entry in /etc/sudoers.d
[12:52] <BluesKaj> ioria: there' 3 files in the /etc/sudoers.d folder, but none will open
[12:53] <ioria> BluesKaj, normally, there should be none , only a README
[12:53] <ioria> BluesKaj, become root ; sudo -i
[13:00] <BluesKaj> heh permission denied
[13:01] <ioria> BluesKaj, can you ls -l ?
[13:02] <BluesKaj> as root ?
[13:04] <BluesKaj> ioria: ^
[13:04] <ioria> BluesKaj, after the sudo -i, yes
[13:04] <daoumilseitek> got an irc client notification for this channel but no mention ... weird
[13:06] <ioria> BluesKaj, permissions should be 0440
[13:06] <BluesKaj> ioria:
[13:06] <BluesKaj> total 4
[13:06] <BluesKaj> drwx------ 5 root root 4096 Apr  8 11:19 snap
[13:08] <ioria> BluesKaj, let's try this; cd /etc/sudoers.d ; visudo -f myfile; add your command; chmod 0440 myfile
[13:12] <pycurious> my lxd container does not have internet (ubuntu host and ubuntu guest) - any ideas on how to debug this?
[13:13] <ioria> afk, sy
[14:54] <Dr-007> hello, i did something dumb. i made an image from one partition of a USB and restored it on antoher USB. But now instead of the partition showing up numbered (/dev/sdc1) the whole /dev/sdc is used by that image. The USB now says that it is read-only and i cannot find a way to disable the read-only to re-create partitions. All tools simply say that it's read-only. So am i screwed?
[14:58] <jcdutton> Dr-007, so to fix it you probably need to wipe the usb stick to wrote stuff to and start again
[14:58] <Dr-007> yes, i tried that but then it tells me that it's read-only
[14:59] <jcdutton> Dr-007, on the destination USB, you will need to create a new partition table first.
[14:59] <Dr-007> with fdisk i assume?
[15:00] <jcdutton> Yes, or gparted or something similar.   Be very careful to get the correct device name.
[15:00] <Dr-007> fdisk: cannot open /dev/sdc: Read-only file system
[15:01] <Dr-007> it is the right drive: /dev/sdc on /media/friso/retropie type ext4 (ro,nosuid,nodev,relatime,errors=remount-ro,uhelper=udisks2)
[15:01] <jcdutton> Dr-007, unmount it first
[15:02] <Dr-007> i did
[15:05] <jcdutton> type "mount"  is the /dev/sdc entry been removed?
[15:06] <arraybolt3> Dr-007: you may have burnt out your flash drive writing a partition image to it. It has nothing to do with the data that you wrote (you could write anything to the flash drive and you should have no problems), but rather the amount of writing you did probably pushed the flash memory over the edge into failure.
[15:06] <arraybolt3> Even if it was still mounted, it shouldn't do *that*.
[15:06] <arraybolt3> USB flash drives are somewhat notorious for failing in this way eventually - they lock into read-only mode so you can recover data and don't write any more to the drive (which would cause it to fail entirely and your data would become inaccessible).
[15:06] <Dr-007> jcdutton, yes it was removed / unmounted
[15:07] <Dr-007> aaaah.. lame.
[15:07] <jcdutton> Dr-007, how old is this problem usb disk ?
[15:07] <Dr-007> i wasted another USB thumbdrive this way
[15:07] <jcdutton> Dr-007, arraybolt3 is right. When usb disks can old or faulty, their normal failure mode is to go RO.
[15:08] <Dr-007> about 7 years
[15:09] <arraybolt3> yep, sounds like your drive just finally had enough.
[15:09] <arraybolt3> (I've had relatively new flash memory fail in this way too, they just put cruddy flash in most flash drives if I understand correctly.)
[15:12] <Dr-007> ah, oh well. then i'll use my last USB drive. i hope i dont screw this one up too!
[15:13] <Dr-007> thanks anyway
[15:57] <mandem0110> !bugs
[15:57] <mandem0110> Nice, hopefully the bug I have will be fixed if I report it :D
[18:36] <Guest61> Hi guys, I could use some help fixing grub. I have an EFI system and LUKS encryption on a single ssd. Now I just installed another ubuntu on an external disk (kind of like a live usb, just persistent boot up and more disk space). Problem: after unplugging the external disk, I cannot boot back into the original system. instead I get some kind of
[18:36] <Guest61> grub shell saying "Minimal BASH like ...".
[18:36] <Guest61> I found this guide [1], with looks helpful, but it does not say anything about luks encryption. any suggestions?