[00:47] <jason> that'sgoing to break everything
[00:47] <jason> snapis the debian snap installer folder
[00:48] <jason> stop messing with  things until you get a bac kupapp
[00:49] <jason> sudo apt install how to install Back in Time on ubuntu
[00:50] <jason> it'sin discovertoo
[00:51] <jason> kdeorgnome
[00:52] <jason> launch discover
[00:52] <jason> orsoftware
[00:53] <jason> depending on your distro
[00:53] <jason> when you get it configured run a back up then you can break things
[00:54] <Web_Anon> I got arch and broke it 15 times during installation
[00:54] <Web_Anon> it was fun fixing stuff
[00:54] <Web_Anon> best way to learn
[00:54] <Web_Anon> in a safe VM environment
[00:58] <jason> rofl
[00:59] <jason> I work with stuff everyday that can break your stuff  where it can't be fixed casein point Tensorflow
[01:00] <jason> and nobody in #tensorflowwill talk about it
[01:13] <jason> we should have speech recognition in about a week. I got it working before tensorflow locked my models with a checkpoint save instead of the way I do it. Just cleaning up behind that event
[01:14] <jason> it definitely works
[01:55] <jason> Query: joke
[01:55] <jason> 1/1 ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ 0s 19ms/step
[01:55] <jason>  [{'intent': 'joke', 'probability': '0.9999943'}]
[01:55] <jason> JENNY:  It takes a lot of balls to golf the way I do.
[01:57] <jason> whoever thought AIs can't understand human emotions was totally wrong
[02:04] <arraybolt3> jason: As a sidenote, this channel is usually used only for technical support for Kubuntu. There is #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat though.
[03:20] <freeone3001> Hi! I'm trying to get Ubuntu to boot using a wireless USB dongle. I have the drivers installed and everything works *after* boot (`route -n` is showing all routes go through the wlx iface) but during boot, systemd seems to need a network before networkmanager comes up
[03:22] <freeone3001> `systemd-analyze critical-chain` shows a simple tree, `graphical -> multi-user -> ssh -> network -> NetworkManager -> dbus -> sockets -> snapd -> sysinit -> snapd.apparmor -> apparmor -> local-fs -> microk8s -> multipathd -> systemd-remount-fs -> systemd-journald -> system -> .slice`. This is ... a bit odd, since I would think microk8s would depend
[03:22] <freeone3001> on network and local-fs instead of the other way around
[03:23] <freeone3001> What's the best way to restructure this so that I have wifi early enough for my other boot units to recognize it?
[04:28] <Guest62> E: Unable to locate package
[04:30] <Guest62> E: Unable to locate package error
[06:40] <cole_> hola
[06:41] <cole__> hola
[06:41] <cole__> 33
[06:41] <cole_> 33
[06:50] <cole_> 33??
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> can we help you cole_ ?
[06:53] <dabbler_> I'm trying to upgrade from lunar to mantic but do-release-upgrade refuses because it incorrectly thinks I have too little space available in /boot. If I pre-installed the latest kernel from the mantic repo, would it skip that check?
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> thats not reccomended anymore dabbler_ lunar is eol
[06:54] <cole_> hola
[06:54] <cole__> holaaaa
[06:54] <cole__> zorra
[06:54] <cole_> 33
[06:54] <toddc> !es
[06:54] <EriC^^> dabbler_: sounds odd, what is the space in /boot?
[06:54] <EriC^^> could you pastebin "df -h" ?
[06:55] <dabbler_> lotuspsychje: yes, it's EOL. hence my wanting to upgrade out of it
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> dabbler_: upgrading from an eol release is risky due !usn security issues, clean install would be wiser
[06:55] <EriC^^> if you pastebin the error it's giving you it might give a clue as to if the idea would work
[06:56] <dabbler_> EriC^^: It is odd. it's a bug seemingly specific to a non-default btrfs option used in my /boot. It reports half the actual amount of space.
[06:57] <EriC^^> oh
[06:59] <dabbler_> EriC^^: here's the error: https://pasteboard.co/c0c00d891bNJ.png
[07:01] <dabbler_> the relevant line of `df -h`: /dev/sda2           256M   72M  178M  29% /boot
[07:02] <dabbler_> actual numbers are double (except the %, obvs)
[07:04] <dabbler_> lotuspsychje: I appreciate the warning, but it's a risk I'll have to take
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> its your system dabbler_ : )
[07:07] <EriC^^> dabbler_: is it easy to expand the space?
[07:07] <dabbler_> I wish :(
[07:08] <EriC^^> how about reversing the non-default option? or some workaround so it reports correctly?
[07:10] <dabbler_> unforunately it's an option that can only be set when the fs is created. I think it's mixed_groups
[07:11] <dabbler_> without that option there's too much overhead space wasted for multiple kernels to fit in the 512 MB fs
[07:12] <EriC^^> i see
[07:13] <dabbler_> can you think of any clever ways of remounting it that would make it appear larger without interfering with the upgrade process?
[07:15] <dabbler_> maybe a union mount?
[07:16] <EriC^^> i wonder what would happen if you unmount it
[07:17] <dabbler_> just momentarily when it's checking the space or for the whole upgrade process?
[07:17] <EriC^^> just when it's checking
[07:18] <EriC^^> but then i wonder if apt would fail later on the kernel install
[07:18] <dabbler_> I'm happy to try it, but I'm not sure how to get the timing right
[07:19] <dabbler_> It seems cleaner to first try to pre-install the right kernel beside my existing one and see if it skips the check
[07:19] <EriC^^> maybe try first your idea to install the kernel manually and see how that goes, who knows it might just not complain a the start
[07:23] <dabbler_> EriC^^: do I want the latest from mantic or mantic-updates?
[07:24] <dabbler_> not sure which it tries to install
[07:24] <EriC^^> !info linux-image-generic mantic
[07:24] <EriC^^> you want the above dabbler_ ^
[07:24] <dabbler_> thanks
[07:26] <dabbler_> that's weird. https://packages.ubuntu.com/mantic/kernel/linux-image-generic shows 6.5.0.27.27
[07:27] <dabbler_> in mantic-updates it's .28.28
[07:28] <dabbler_> I guess !info combines the two then. I'll add both to my sources.list
[07:31] <EriC^^> ok
[07:33] <dabbler_> it wants to upgrade linux-libc-dev  :-/
[07:35] <spiderjoker> salve
[07:35] <dabbler_> EriC^^: would that cause trouble given that I'm running a 6.2 kernel right now?
[07:38] <spiderjoker> blender canal ???
[07:40] <dabbler_> spiderjoker: https://developer.blender.org/docs/handbook/communication/chat/ ?
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[08:02] <EriC^^> dabbler_: sorry back, no idea
[08:06] <nomicon> I have a question regarding packaging of .deb. Will the directories inside my package be created automatically if they do not exists? Or do I need to specifiy shell commands in DEBIAN/preinst ?
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> nomicon: maybe the #ubuntu-devel channel might be able to help better with that
[09:48] <vincejv> wtheck is going on with Ubuntu's apt repositories, im getting timeout on apt-update on my github actions runners -> Could not connect to archive.ubuntu.com:80 (185.125.190.39), connection timed out
[09:49] <vincejv> i've rerun the thing 5times already
[09:53] <vincejv> Jesus: https://status.canonical.com/ no wonder.. ppa.launchpad.net Major Outage, next time i should probably subscriibe to this page's rss feed
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> vincejv: if you like, we got an rss stream of canonicals status in #techrss
[10:02] <vincejv> nice thanks lotuspsychje appreciate it, don't know about this
[10:13] <FKAShinobi> When using ZFS, if the zpool is set to ashift=0 then what is the default value?
[10:28] <geirha> Hm. That page has some translation errors
[10:36] <geirha> apparently some third party thing, so not translatable via launchpad. They probably just run it through google translate
[10:44] <lang> we're seeing issues downloading packages from both security.ubuntu.com and archive.ubuntu.com
[10:45] <lang> the initial SYN-ACK response comes quickly, but once the HTTP GET is sent things just stall from the archive side.
[10:48] <lang> eg. downloading http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/glibc/libc-bin_2.31-0ubuntu9.15_amd64.deb from 91.189.91.83:80
[11:22] <ice9> guys please check this bug and if you are affected, please join it so it's get more people and eventually more attention by the developers: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/+bug/2039543
[11:22] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2039543 in gnome-shell-extension-appindicator (Ubuntu) "Miss placed Hexchat icon when switching workspaces" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[11:22] <ice9> it happens to different apps, not just Hexchat btw
[11:23] <lang> we're no longer seeing issues reaching the archives.
[11:23] <ice9> lang, I confirm it's still not fixed until today in 24.04 with the latest update
[11:24] <lang> ice9: this was wrt. downloading packages from (archives|security).ubuntu.com
[12:14] <Xeroine> Hi, I've got a PC they want me to try and fix in my internship, I'm at home right now and don't have access to it but I just wanted to ask for some advice about the issue. The PC shows in /etc/os-release that it has jammy (22.04 LTS) on it currently and I found some old eoan (19.10) repositories which must have been left over from an upgrade in /etc/apt/sources.list which I removed and kept only
[12:14] <Xeroine> jammy repositories. Apparently after an upgrade it started getting a kernel panic on boot https://x0.at/2y2L.jpg from that I'm guessing the root cause is that something went wrong during the upgrade involving glibc. I mounted the root partition and chrooted in to it, checked the installed glibc version and tried to upgrade again. I don't have the output of these commands (forgot to take pics before
[12:14] <Xeroine> leaving) but basically, from what I recall, the installed glibc was 2.30 and when trying to upgrade or install anything using `apt` it complained about glibc, I think it said it was too old and that the packages required a newer version. I understand glibc is kind of annoying/hard to install manually to some other version system wide, I've never had to deal with this, I've been using debian and the
[12:14] <Xeroine> updates have been smooth so any advice on what to try?
[12:14] <Xeroine> I know we could just get the data we need off from the root partition and reinstall but I wanted to try resolving this.
[12:22] <Xeroine> I think if I compiled, or more likely, cross-compiled glibc since that system will probably be missing some build dependencies and then try to install that glibc into /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu it would be able to possibly boot but that's probably not gonna go smoothly and apt doesn't fix the problem with `apt`
[12:22] <Xeroine> and that doesn't fix*
[12:26] <ioria> Xeroine, http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/glibc/ ; livecd -> chroot -> download required pkgs; install them
[12:27] <Xeroine> oh right I can just download the package
[12:27] <Xeroine> thanks, I'll try that
[12:27] <ioria> ok
[12:56] <iconoclast_hero> i was looking at something on an forum.opensuse post that eluded to the existance of # systemctl status rtkit-daemon
[12:57] <iconoclast_hero> the solution to the problem required modifying /etc/security/limits.conf and I assume that those changes will require a restart in the real-time scheduling daemon.
[12:57] <iconoclast_hero> is there an analagous daemon in ubuntu and if so, how to restart it and/or make the changes to `limits.conf` active?
[12:57] <iconoclast_hero> https://forums.opensuse.org/t/help-please-music-player-daemon-and-real-time-scheduling-alsa-audio-output/153962
[12:58] <ogra_> it should be preinstalled ... the package is called rtkit
[12:59] <ogra_> (but afaik it is only used by pulseaudio, newer ubuntu uses pipewire, not sure that actually needs that daemon still)
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> ice9: that bug already got a lot of affects, see the bug daniel refers toward contains the upstream bug
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> ice9: did you file bug #2062538 ?
[13:03] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 2062538 in gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons-ng (Ubuntu) "Clicking the top bar shows desktop icons above app window" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2062538
[13:12] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:07] <lubuntu> hi
[14:19] <tariq> nice
[14:19] <tariq> ok
[14:19] <tariq> ko
[14:37] <iconoclast_hero> ogra_: i'm using pulse for things.
[14:39] <iconoclast_hero> ogra_: but i don't think i'm using it on that machine per se... mpd's got it's own pulse output module and that's being set to a sink on my laptop over TCP so I don't think the local pipe/pulse server gets involved.
[14:39] <iconoclast_hero> i was just looking to see if there was a way to address the error i was seeing in the mpd output.
[14:39] <ogra_> well, then rtkit should also only apply to your laptop
[14:40] <iconoclast_hero> in terms of any ALSA effects such as the OP was talking about in the post I assume, however, MPD is still throwing errors on the server side
[14:40] <iconoclast_hero> event: RTIOThread could not get realtime scheduling, continuing anyway: sched_setscheduler failed: Operation not permitted
[14:41] <ogra_> if you changed limits.conf i think it only applies after a reboot ...
[14:41] <iconoclast_hero> ok
[14:41] <iconoclast_hero> then i'll look after i reboot
[14:41] <vincejv> I still keep getting 14.46 E: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jammy-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  File has unexpected size (2018947 != 2018948). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: 91.189.91.83 80]
[14:41] <vincejv> even tho ubuntu canonical health says everything's operational??
[14:41] <iconoclast_hero> thank you
[14:42] <vincejv> it's happening on my github runners when doing apt-update
[14:43] <ogra_> vincejv, perhaps the people in #launchpad knwo more
[14:43] <vincejv> do i need to get a ubuntu pro subscription to get this thing working? lol
[14:43] <ogra_> indeed not
[15:11] <ice9> how to install Davinci Resolve on Ubuntu 24.04 since some packages names have changed:
[15:11] <ice9> selecting 'libapr1t64' instead of 'libapr1'
[15:11] <ice9> selecting 'libaprutil1t64' instead of 'libaprutil1'
[15:12] <ice9> and there is no package with name 'libasound2'
[15:14] <arraybolt3> ice9: Davinci Resolve probably won't support Ubuntu 24.04 until after its released. Right now it's still in beta. Perhaps fall back to 22.04 and then upgrade once 24.04.1 is out?
[15:19] <pragmaticenigma> ice9, Also, that's a question to ask Davinci Resolve support channels
[15:19] <iconoclast_hero> is there any reason i couldn't send a command from THE nfs/sshfs server to THE nfs/sshfs client to tell it to umount -l everything as part of a shutdown script so that my guake stops hanging everytime i reboot my server?
[15:20] <iconoclast_hero> well... `sudo umount -l -a -t nfs,sshfs`
[15:28] <pragmaticenigma> I didn't know a server could issue such commands over nfs. Assuming it does, sending the `-l` is lazy unmount, which says unmount when the resource isn't busy. If you have an active application leveraging something from that resource, it's not going to unmount
[15:28] <iconoclast_hero> no, i sent it over ssh
[15:28] <pragmaticenigma> that makes more sense
[15:28] <iconoclast_hero> it worked insofar as i mounted something, issued the command, and guake didn't crap out
[15:29] <iconoclast_hero> nothing was using the resource
[15:29] <pragmaticenigma> I don't know why guake would care about a mount. seems rather odd
[15:29] <iconoclast_hero> think i need to add -f to that list then?
[15:29] <iconoclast_hero> i don't know, don't care, just don't want my it to happen anymore!!
[15:30] <iconoclast_hero> this seems the path of least resistance, plus, the server's going down anyway, might as well try to unmount them becasue i never remember to do it.
[15:30] <pragmaticenigma> right now I'd try removing the `-l` from the options first... if it still hangs, then maybe try with `-f`
[15:30] <pragmaticenigma> still getting hangs, then it's an issue with guake
[15:30] <iconoclast_hero> well, i think i went the other way... i started using it without anything and added -l
[15:31] <pragmaticenigma> Kind of suspect it's an issue within guake
[15:32] <iconoclast_hero> what i've been doing: forget to unmount, reboot, guake locks up, i have to launch a terminal, maybe can see what i'm doing, if not, have to drop to a TTY, then tell it to umount -l...
[15:32] <iconoclast_hero> yeah, well, since i can't fix guake, again, path of least resistance.
[15:34] <pragmaticenigma> other than part of your remote command doing a force kill on guake processes, and the restarting it... guake has lots of strange behaviors and hangs
[15:34] <pragmaticenigma> I stopped using it when it would hang when I issued a reboot command to the system
[15:35] <iconoclast_hero> yeah, i think i looked for a replacement for 30 minutes but it does most everything i want so i've satisficed on it.
[15:35] <iconoclast_hero> an issue for another time.
[15:35] <pragmaticenigma> sorry couldn't be of more help :(
[15:35] <iconoclast_hero> but i can put an ssh command in a systemd shutdown script?
[15:36] <iconoclast_hero> that;s really what i'm after...and how to ignore errors...
[15:37] <pragmaticenigma> almost wonder if something like ansible might be something better suited to helping you manage these things
[15:38] <pragmaticenigma> https://docs.ansible.com/ansible/latest/collections/ansible/posix/mount_module.html
[15:39] <iconoclast_hero> oh...
[15:39] <iconoclast_hero> his is because services are stopped on shutdown in pretty much the opposite order as they were started – if your unit needs networking to be available, it should have After=network.target, so that it gets started after network, but stopped before network.
[15:40] <pragmaticenigma> that would be an important thing
[15:42] <ogra_> nework.target is wrong, this is just the networking stack (mainly loopback) but wont tell anything about devices being online
[15:44] <ogra_> (IIRC there is an "network-online.target" ...)
[15:45] <iconoclast_hero> https://superuser.com/questions/1701476/how-can-i-have-my-service-be-the-first-service-to-begin-stopping-on-system-reboo
[15:46] <iconoclast_hero> so there's another target besides network.target?
[15:48] <ogra_> yes
[15:48] <iconoclast_hero> what about just using runlevel6.target
[15:49] <ogra_> because network.target only means all protocols are loaded and your loopback is up (so i.e. dbus can use it etc)
[15:50] <ogra_> there is a network-online.target you should be able to use that will only fire once there is a working connection
[15:50] <iconoclast_hero> i understand what you're getting at, but if i run the ssh command at the highest runlevel, then it should be executed first as the shutdown goes down the runlevles?
[15:50] <ogra_> systemd hs never and doesnt use runlevels ... you should use shutdown.target for things you want at shutdown
[15:56] <iconoclast_hero> never?
[15:56] <iconoclast_hero> $ ll /usr/lib/systemd/system/runlevel*
[15:56] <iconoclast_hero> lrwxrwxrwx - root  5 Apr 01:38 /usr/lib/systemd/system/runlevel6.target -> reboot.target
[15:57] <iconoclast_hero> anyway, i found what you were talking about with the network-online.target here:
[15:57] <iconoclast_hero> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1449198/running-a-script-at-shutdown-before-networking-goes-down
[15:57] <iconoclast_hero> and i can patch this together, thanks for the tip.
[15:58] <ogra_> 👍
[17:27] <rollappuser> k1tten
[23:01] <vadim_> interesting