[07:23] <hateball> Hmmm, just noticed (after a week) that since upgrading to Kubuntu 24.04 I no longer had the plasma-nm package installed. From what I can tell there's no alternative in its place. Easily fixed by manually installing the package but seems strange it would not be part of kubuntu-desktop. If I were to file a bug, would that be against kubuntu-desktop? Unless there's been some decision made to not include it in 24.04. But again it seems strange since most
[07:23] <hateball>  people probably want a GUI way to manage their network connections.
[11:46] <howarth> They have regressed the supported nvidia drivers available in Additional Drivers in Noble. Previously both 550 and 545 were supported. Now it is only 535 and 470.
[11:47] <howarth> I can sort of understand why the default 550 was dropped before the 6.8.0-28 was releases as 6.8.0-25 lacked signatures for the 550 drivers.
[11:48] <howarth> But 6.8.0-28 now has the 550 signatures so, even if 550 isn't made the default, it should at least be supported... that or 545.
[11:49] <howarth> Well actually the 545 signatures are gone now from 6.8.0-28
[11:49] <howarth> what package is the Additional Drivers in?
[12:45] <howarth> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-drivers-common/+bug/2062967
[12:45] -ubottu:#ubuntu-next- Launchpad bug 2062967 in ubuntu-drivers-common (Ubuntu) "ubuntu-drivers no longer offers nvidia 550 drivers" [Undecided, New]
[12:45] <howarth> Hopefully that gets fixed before the release next week
[12:46] <howarth> It is really bad form to have nvidia 550 driver signatures in linux-signatures-nvidia-6.8.0-28-generic but not have ubuntu-drivers or Additional Drivers at least offer the nvidia 550 driver as an untested option.
[14:06] <zakaria> Hello guys, the linux-kernel upgraded to 6.8.0-28-generic and I still have the same issue, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/2061840
[14:06] -ubottu:#ubuntu-next- Launchpad bug 2061840 in linux (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 24.04 freezes after plug in power cable" [Undecided, New]
[14:08] <zakaria> Also there's no much time for final freezing of Ubuntu to be an LTS version
[17:08] <Guest15> hey does it make sense to take ubuntu next? on my shool computer
[17:08] <Guest15> ß
[17:08] <Guest15> ?
[17:08] <Guest15> or rather normal ubuntu
[17:12] <Guest15> where can i find the uwuntu beta
[17:21] <tomreyn> Guest15: here's an incomplete list pf known bugs in the beta (and possibly the coming release, too): https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/noble-numbat-release-notes/39890#heading--known-issues
[17:22] <tomreyn> you'll need to decide on whether you want to have a reliable computer (install 22.04 LTS) or can handle some, possibly grave, bugs, for another half or so year.
[17:22] <tomreyn> https://releases.ubuntu.com/noble/ provides the beta
[17:23] <tomreyn> (for amd64 at least)
[17:23] <zakaria> So I have to comeback to Ubuntu 22.04 ? what if the developers want more information, should I re-install Noble again ?
[17:24] <zakaria> Ubuntu 22.04 contain old softwares :( 
[17:24] <tomreyn> !22.04
[17:24] <ubottu> Ubuntu 22.04 (Jammy Jellyfish) is the 36th release of Ubuntu and the current !LTS release – Download at https://ubuntu.com/download :: Release notes at https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-notes :: Further schedule at https://ubottu.com/y/jj
[17:25] <tomreyn> from the 22.04 release notes: "support lifespan: Maintenance updates will be provided for 5 years until April 2027 for Ubuntu Desktop, Ubuntu Server, Ubuntu Cloud, and Ubuntu Core. All the remaining flavours will be supported for 3 years. Additional security support is available with ESM (Extended Security Maintenance). "
[17:25] <tomreyn> !latest
[17:25] <ubottu> Packages in Ubuntu may not be the latest. Ubuntu aims for stability, so "latest" may not be a good idea. Post-release updates are only considered if they are fixes for security vulnerabilities, high impact bug fixes, or unintrusive bug fixes with substantial benefit. See also !backports, !sru, and !ppa.
[17:26] <tomreyn> ubuntu developers will continue to support 22.04 LTS after the 24.04 LTS release, as indicated abive.
[17:27] <zakaria> And what about my reported bug? will they need more information for me to keep Ubuntu 24.04? 
[17:28] <tomreyn> zakaria: are you the same person as Guest15, whom I was initially responding to?
[17:28] <zakaria> Nuh
[17:28] <zakaria> I'm zakaria and what brings me here is a bug that I report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/2061840
[17:28] <tomreyn> okay, so none of the above was directed at you, and i had not looked at your bug report, yet
[17:28] -ubottu:#ubuntu-next- Launchpad bug 2061840 in linux (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 24.04 freezes after plug in power cable" [Undecided, New]
[17:29] <zakaria> Ah! okay
[17:29] <zakaria> the linux-kernel upgraded to 6.8.0-28-generic and I still have the same issue
[17:30] <zakaria> Also there's no much time for final of Noble to be an LTS version
[17:31] <tomreyn> it's to be expected that a new ubuntu release will take place while not all bugs have been fixed (though we need yet to ensure that the issue you report is actually a bug in ubuntu)
[17:32] <tomreyn> bug reports will continue to be triaged post-release and many will get fixed, primarily if they affect many of there are already known fixes.
[17:33] <tomreyn> *oR there
[17:34] <zakaria> So bugs fixes will continue even after the release of Noble LTS
[17:34] <zakaria> ??
[17:36] <tomreyn> yes
[17:37] <tomreyn> as long as it gets support
[17:38] <tomreyn> that's pretty common for operating systems and major application softwares.
[17:38] <zakaria> Is there anyone who had the same issue as mine? because It (bug) does not exist in previous versions of Ubuntu !
[17:40] <tomreyn> so far there is only a symptomatic description of this issue, the root cause is yet unknown. unfortuantely it's difficult to catch the root cause for issues involving entering or leaving power management states.
[17:41] <tomreyn> if you can reproduce the issue and then share a system log from when it froze, this *may* help dagnosing this further and eventually identifying the root cause.
[17:42] <tomreyn> you have a good point about this not occurring in previous releases, so this *could be* a regression. but it could also be that the newer kernel supports functionality which the older ones did not, and since it now tries to use that new functionality it hits a bug in, for example, your firmware
[17:43] <zakaria> How can I precisely get that log? I have shared 'ubuntu-bug linux' outputs to launchpad
[17:43] <zakaria> Also my BIOS is updated
[17:44] <tomreyn> save all work / open files, reproduce the issue, try to use magic sysrq to reboot more gracefully, then export the previous kernel log to a file using    sudo journalctl -b -1 > /tmp/kernelfreeze.log 2>&1
[17:45] <tomreyn> !sysrq
[17:45] <ubottu> In an emergency, you may be able to shutdown cleanly and reboot by holding down Alt+PrintScreen and typing slowly, in succession, S, U and B. For an explanation, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key
[17:46] <zakaria> so I have to reboot my laptop then I use the command "sudo journalctl -b -1 > /tmp/kernelfreeze.log 2>&1" ??
[17:47] <zakaria> do I have to plugin or plugout the power cable? 
[17:47] <tomreyn> you don't strictly need to reboot your computer first, although it's a good idea, since it will keep the log shorter.
[17:48] <zakaria> Okay I'll try
[17:48] <tomreyn> then reproduce the issue, i.e. plug in the power cord
[17:48] <tomreyn> then reboot using the sysrq instructions above
[17:48] <tomreyn> or, if this does not work, hard power off
[17:49] <zakaria> the journalctl command I have to do it before and after the freezing ?
[17:49] <tomreyn> then boot normally and run the journalctl command, and attach the /tmp/kernelfreeze.log log file to your bug report
[17:49] <tomreyn> actually make this:   "sudo journalctl -kb -1 > /tmp/kernelfreeze.log 2>&1"
[17:50] <tomreyn> -k means just kernel log lines, otherwise it would log everything
[17:50] <zakaria> Okay, I'll try it now
[18:01] <zakaria> here's my log https://pastebin.com/DgF3UaG2
[18:01] <tomreyn> zakaria: there was actually this line on the end of your auto-submitted kernel log, which *may* be related:     workqueue: delayed_fput hogged CPU for >10000us 4 times, consider switching to WQ_UNBOUND
[18:01] <zakaria> I couldn't even do anything after plugin power cable, I have to shutdown by force
[18:01] <tomreyn> so sysrq keyboard combos had no effect?
[18:02] <zakaria> I can't do anything everything stops
[18:02] <tomreyn> what's your computers' current time of day?
[18:03] <zakaria> 20 April 19:03 the current time
[18:03] <tomreyn> so the last lines on this log were captured 8 minutes ago
[18:03] <tomreyn> i mean 12
[18:05] <zakaria> I have seen the log, the time is correct ! 
[18:05] <zakaria> GMT / GMT+1 after sync using internet
[18:06] <tomreyn> you left irc at Apr 20 18:50, the last log timestamp is from Apr 20 18:51:37, and you rejoined irc at Apr 20 18:59
[18:06] <tomreyn> i'm just wondering whether the log uploaded completely
[18:06] <tomreyn> and whether maybe not all events were logged due to the system freezing
[18:06] <zakaria> the last log line is "Apr 20 18:51:37 Latitude-E7450 kernel: rfkill: input handler disabled"
[18:07] <tomreyn> right
[18:08] <tomreyn> the log you posted is 1065 lines long, so probably not cut off at 1000 lines or something
[18:08] <tomreyn> does     tail -n1 /tmp/kernelfreeze.log     print the same line you just quoted?
[18:09] <Guest15> thanks tomreyn but I could finally make my opensuspect work, with zram on my minicomputer xD didnt thought that I could fix this buggy os with that
[18:09] <tomreyn> zakaria: alternatively, does this report "1065"?    wc -l /tmp/kernelfreeze.log
[18:10] <zakaria> use it prints 'Apr 20 18:51:37 Latitude-E7450 kernel: rfkill: input handler disabled'
[18:10] <tomreyn> ok, thats the same line, all good then
[18:10] <zakaria> Yes 1065
[18:12] <tomreyn> it's a shhot in the dark, but try disabling power saving for the wireless network interface.
[18:15] <tomreyn> zakaria: see the first answer here on how to do this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/269661/how-to-turn-off-wireless-power-management-permanently/315400#315400
[18:16] <tomreyn> once this is done, reboot and see if you can still reproduce the issue.
[18:26] <zakaria> Done, I'll reboot now 
[18:39] <zakaria> What a bad day, it does not work, the issue stills exist 
[18:39] <zakaria> but after plugout cable nothing happens, except the thunder icon alongside battery tray icon on the top panel kept 
[18:42] <zakaria_> Nope, I was just able to move the cursor
[23:21] <pippoin> hello, how can i fix this apt issue? https://pastebin.com/yGB8B1Vg